Any subject at all - just what or who do you think is given too much or little credit?
Underrated - Sonny Liston.
Most casuals see those bullshit posters of Ali-Liston 2.
He took a dive (fearful of the Black Muslims or just gave up after his heart was broken after the way he was treated) or was forced to by the Mafia who controlled him - the first was not very satisfactory either although it was even on points at the end.
Ali was really the greatest but I truly believe even he would have had his hands full with the 58-61 version of Sonny (no one knows how old he truly was) who wiped out 7 of the top 10 heavyweight contenders by KO.
Overrated - the Poundshop version of Liston 'Iron' Mike Tyson - never came from behind in adversity, lost to every fighter who ever stood up to him and yet has a fanboy base which would make Jesus blush - the excuses for his first loss to Douglas never end for example
They think he would wipe out every heavyweight who ever lived - nope, not even close (73' Foreman for starters would have taken his head clean off - attempted cannibalism or not).
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 13th of July 2021 09:10:54 PM
Magica said
Jul 13 11:10 PM, 2021
Liston was tough and hard as nails. He was either bought off or family threatened, so he took a dive and next time refused to get off his stool.
Ali had an amazing reach, dancing round the ring and a punch too. He really was the greatest. My favourite boxer. I really feel however, he couldn't have beaten Liston fairly.
We will never really know the truth now.
John Doe said
Jul 13 11:50 PM, 2021
Magica wrote:
Liston was tough and hard as nails. He was either bought off or family threatened, so he took a dive and next time refused to get off his stool.
Ali had an amazing reach, dancing round the ring and a punch too. He really was the greatest. My favourite boxer. I really feel however, he couldn't have beaten Liston fairly.
We will never really know the truth now.
At their respective peaks (Liston '58 and Ali '67) I take Ali on points but it would be a very good fight.
Ali was the greatest - no one in history could have beaten the brutal wrecking machine that was Foreman in '74 but he did.
His supernatural chin, heart and intelligence was like no one else.
Quick shout for Joe Frazier as well, a truly good man.
Tyson fanboys seem to know bugger all about that era for the heavies - hype is fine but I look at Buster Douglas a nice man but was hardly a great fighter.
Digger said
Jul 15 12:14 AM, 2021
Under rated - Sean Harris
Overrated - kids
John Doe said
Jul 15 12:28 AM, 2021
Digger wrote:
Under rated - Sean Harris
Overrated - kids
Creep was a wonderful horror film.
Not only did it have a delicious Franka Potente in the starring role but it also reminded me of the only documentary that made me actually question if ghosts were/are possible.
Syl said
Jul 17 1:13 PM, 2021
OVERATED.....Winter.
UNDERATED...Summer, (scorchio)
Digger said
Jul 17 1:32 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
OVERATED.....Winter.
UNDERATED...Summer, (scorchio)
I sat out the back this morning with a coffee and my dog. It was so peaceful and warm.
Syl said
Jul 17 5:58 PM, 2021
It's beautiful. :sunny:
My OH built an elevated decking last year....single handed, I have no idea how he did it, but it's brilliant. It's at the bottom of the garden overlooking the fields and hills. I have lived here 40 years and this has given a completely different view...we even see the odd deer running around now, something we never saw before.
John Doe said
Jul 18 1:29 AM, 2021
Overrated - the 6-7 ton murder stork - Spinosaurus (thanks to that perverted twat Jack Horner and the appalling JP3).
Underrated - 10 ton T. Rex - huge bulk, feathers, best eyesight of any animal in that has ever lived, smell better than a vulture, chimp intelligence, railroad spike teeth and the greatest bite force of any animal in terrestrial history- anything in any Jurassic Park movies would not have been shaken to death but exploded in a shower of bone, organs and blood.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of July 2021 01:29:53 AM
Digger said
Jul 18 4:56 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Overrated - the 6-7 ton murder stork - Spinosaurus (thanks to that perverted twat Jack Horner and the appalling JP3).
Underrated - 10 ton T. Rex - huge bulk, feathers, best eyesight of any animal in that has ever lived, smell better than a vulture, chimp intelligence, railroad spike teeth and the greatest bite force of any animal in terrestrial history- anything in any Jurassic Park movies would not have been shaken to death but exploded in a shower of bone, organs and blood.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of July 2021 01:29:53 AM
Not the Jack Horner who sat in a corner?
Digger said
Jul 18 4:56 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Overrated - the 6-7 ton murder stork - Spinosaurus (thanks to that perverted twat Jack Horner and the appalling JP3).
Underrated - 10 ton T. Rex - huge bulk, feathers, best eyesight of any animal in that has ever lived, smell better than a vulture, chimp intelligence, railroad spike teeth and the greatest bite force of any animal in terrestrial history- anything in any Jurassic Park movies would not have been shaken to death but exploded in a shower of bone, organs and blood.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of July 2021 01:29:53 AM
A meat grinder on legs ... not very Disney
John Doe said
Jul 18 7:09 PM, 2021
Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Overrated - the 6-7 ton murder stork - Spinosaurus (thanks to that perverted twat Jack Horner and the appalling JP3).
Underrated - 10 ton T. Rex - huge bulk, feathers, best eyesight of any animal in that has ever lived, smell better than a vulture, chimp intelligence, railroad spike teeth and the greatest bite force of any animal in terrestrial history- anything in any Jurassic Park movies would not have been shaken to death but exploded in a shower of bone, organs and blood.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of July 2021 01:29:53 AM
Not the Jack Horner who sat in a corner?
Not quite!
He is not a pervert as such but marrying his student when she was 19 and he was 65 (they soon divorced) seems a bit dodgy to me.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of July 2021 07:11:39 PM
John Doe said
Jul 18 7:14 PM, 2021
Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Overrated - the 6-7 ton murder stork - Spinosaurus (thanks to that perverted twat Jack Horner and the appalling JP3).
Underrated - 10 ton T. Rex - huge bulk, feathers, best eyesight of any animal in that has ever lived, smell better than a vulture, chimp intelligence, railroad spike teeth and the greatest bite force of any animal in terrestrial history- anything in any Jurassic Park movies would not have been shaken to death but exploded in a shower of bone, organs and blood.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of July 2021 01:29:53 AM
A meat grinder on legs ... not very Disney
John Doe said
Aug 5 4:49 AM, 2021
Overrated - Graziano as a Welterweight.
Underrated - Tommy Hearns at the same weight - if you are not called Sugar ray (Robinson and Leonard) you are being put into the next life within three rounds - just ask Pipino.
Syl said
Aug 5 11:21 PM, 2021
Overated.....stockings and suspenders.
Overated......tights
Underated....jeggings.
Magica said
Aug 6 1:10 PM, 2021
Underrated, bare legs! Hate tights.
Syl, love your unicorn, they're underrated too
Syl said
Aug 6 2:05 PM, 2021
Magica wrote:
Underrated, bare legs! Hate tights.
Syl, love your unicorn, they're underrated too
Thanks Mags...
John Doe said
Aug 6 8:29 PM, 2021
Overrated - Flo Jo (retires immediately before mandatory testing, drug tests covered up in Seoul, changed physically from am also-ran into running superhuman times in a year).
Underrated Kathy Cook - would have won numerous global championships in the early 80's but was basically an underfunded part-time amateur against the Eastern Bock organised drug regime athletes and US professionals.
Her 100m, 200m, and 400m times are still world class 40 years later.
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 6th of August 2021 08:32:15 PM
John Doe said
Aug 9 4:40 AM, 2021
This only refers to the Doctor since he was brought back in 2005 but still I did like the old Doctors - regardless of ludicrous effects.
Underrated - Ecclestone, Tennant and Smith.
Never watched Capaldi although from what I have read he tried his best.
Overrated by the BBC - Mr fucking Chris Chibnall AKA - Mr Fat Woke Lecturer to the Plebs - who destroyed poor William Hartnell's legacy and all the other's with one appalling PC lie.
-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 9th of August 2021 04:43:20 AM
Syl said
Aug 10 11:47 AM, 2021
Overrated. ..avocados, no taste, horrible texture.
underrated......sprouts, only popular once a year, and even then people complain.
Any subject at all - just what or who do you think is given too much or little credit?
Underrated - Sonny Liston.
Most casuals see those bullshit posters of Ali-Liston 2.
He took a dive (fearful of the Black Muslims or just gave up after his heart was broken after the way he was treated) or was forced to by the Mafia who controlled him - the first was not very satisfactory either although it was even on points at the end.
Ali was really the greatest but I truly believe even he would have had his hands full with the 58-61 version of Sonny (no one knows how old he truly was) who wiped out 7 of the top 10 heavyweight contenders by KO.
Overrated - the Poundshop version of Liston 'Iron' Mike Tyson - never came from behind in adversity, lost to every fighter who ever stood up to him and yet has a fanboy base which would make Jesus blush - the excuses for his first loss to Douglas never end for example
They think he would wipe out every heavyweight who ever lived - nope, not even close (73' Foreman for starters would have taken his head clean off - attempted cannibalism or not).
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 13th of July 2021 09:10:54 PM
Ali had an amazing reach, dancing round the ring and a punch too. He really was the greatest. My favourite boxer. I really feel however, he couldn't have beaten Liston fairly.
We will never really know the truth now.
At their respective peaks (Liston '58 and Ali '67) I take Ali on points but it would be a very good fight.
Ali was the greatest - no one in history could have beaten the brutal wrecking machine that was Foreman in '74 but he did.
His supernatural chin, heart and intelligence was like no one else.
Quick shout for Joe Frazier as well, a truly good man.
Tyson fanboys seem to know bugger all about that era for the heavies - hype is fine but I look at Buster Douglas a nice man but was hardly a great fighter.
Overrated - kids
Creep was a wonderful horror film.
Not only did it have a delicious Franka Potente in the starring role but it also reminded me of the only documentary that made me actually question if ghosts were/are possible.
OVERATED.....Winter.
UNDERATED...Summer, (scorchio)
I sat out the back this morning with a coffee and my dog. It was so peaceful and warm.
It's beautiful. :sunny:
My OH built an elevated decking last year....single handed, I have no idea how he did it, but it's brilliant.
It's at the bottom of the garden overlooking the fields and hills.
I have lived here 40 years and this has given a completely different view...we even see the odd deer running around now, something we never saw before.
Overrated - the 6-7 ton murder stork - Spinosaurus (thanks to that perverted twat Jack Horner and the appalling JP3).
Underrated - 10 ton T. Rex - huge bulk, feathers, best eyesight of any animal in that has ever lived, smell better than a vulture, chimp intelligence, railroad spike teeth and the greatest bite force of any animal in terrestrial history- anything in any Jurassic Park movies would not have been shaken to death but exploded in a shower of bone, organs and blood.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of July 2021 01:29:53 AM
Not the Jack Horner who sat in a corner?
A meat grinder on legs ... not very Disney
Not quite!
He is not a pervert as such but marrying his student when she was 19 and he was 65 (they soon divorced) seems a bit dodgy to me.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of July 2021 07:11:39 PM
Underrated - Tommy Hearns at the same weight - if you are not called Sugar ray (Robinson and Leonard) you are being put into the next life within three rounds - just ask Pipino.
Overated......tights
Underated....jeggings.
Underrated, bare legs! Hate tights.
Syl, love your unicorn, they're underrated too
Thanks Mags...
Overrated - Flo Jo (retires immediately before mandatory testing, drug tests covered up in Seoul, changed physically from am also-ran into running superhuman times in a year).
Underrated Kathy Cook - would have won numerous global championships in the early 80's but was basically an underfunded part-time amateur against the Eastern Bock organised drug regime athletes and US professionals.
Her 100m, 200m, and 400m times are still world class 40 years later.
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 6th of August 2021 08:32:15 PM
This only refers to the Doctor since he was brought back in 2005 but still I did like the old Doctors - regardless of ludicrous effects.
Underrated - Ecclestone, Tennant and Smith.
Never watched Capaldi although from what I have read he tried his best.
Overrated by the BBC - Mr fucking Chris Chibnall AKA - Mr Fat Woke Lecturer to the Plebs - who destroyed poor William Hartnell's legacy and all the other's with one appalling PC lie.
-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 9th of August 2021 04:43:20 AM
underrated......sprouts, only popular once a year, and even then people complain.