"MPs are set to debate assisted dying today, after a campaign backed by the journalist and campaigner Dame Esther Rantzen.
The 83-year-old Childline founder, who has stage four lung cancer, revealed in December she had joined the assisted dying clinic, Dignitas, in Switzerland.
But she said under UK law, her family could be left at risk of prosecution if they helped her to go to Zurich, something she branded "not right" and "not ethical".
Syl said
Apr 29 11:52 AM, 2024
I am all for it...no doubt the older we get, when we have seen parents and others dying a slow and painful death, one that we all may face sometime, assisted dying in the comfort of our own surroundings seems preferable to the present alternatives.
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 29th of April 2024 11:56:23 AM
Anonymous said
Apr 29 12:41 PM, 2024
Yeah? Well this ain’t Newsfix.
Anonymous said
Apr 29 1:32 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
I am all for it...no doubt the older we get, when we have seen parents and others dying a slow and painful death, one that we all may face sometime, assisted dying in the comfort of our own surroundings seems preferable to the present alternatives.
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 29th of April 2024 11:56:23 AM
Me too! Subject to all precautions such as a terminal patient‘s extensive psych evals, and the absence of even the merest hint of any family pressure, then a person should have the absolute right to end-of-life care under their own terms.
Magica said
Apr 29 1:56 PM, 2024
I'm for it too. When I'm at my last, or no chance of treatment finish me off. I can die in comfort not linger.
Syl said
Apr 29 2:18 PM, 2024
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
I am all for it...no doubt the older we get, when we have seen parents and others dying a slow and painful death, one that we all may face sometime, assisted dying in the comfort of our own surroundings seems preferable to the present alternatives.
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 29th of April 2024 11:56:23 AM
Me too! Subject to all precautions such as a terminal patient‘s extensive psych evals, and the absence of even the merest hint of any family pressure, then a person should have the absolute right to end-of-life care under their own terms.
Absolutely.
Syl said
Apr 29 2:19 PM, 2024
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah? Well this ain’t Newsfix.
So stick to the sniping threads....and be thankful you have found your level.
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 29th of April 2024 04:01:00 PM
But Canada extended the assisted dying programme to people with none terminal illnesses. When someone is depressed, maybe their state of mind would improve after treatment....no need to request assisted suicide. So it's understandable that some doctors would refuse to help.
"The law was expanded in 2021 to include people experiencing “grievous and irremediable” conditions, such as depression and other mental health issues."
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 29th of April 2024 04:01:00 PM
But Canada extended the assisted dying programme to people with none terminal illnesses. When someone is depressed, maybe their state of mind would improve after treatment....no need to request assisted suicide. So it's understandable that some doctors would refuse to help.
"The law was expanded in 2021 to include people experiencing “grievous and irremediable” conditions, such as depression and other mental health issues."
I know what Canada did. They were trying to save a buck and kill off folks that were going to be expensive to the system.
Thats why i said dont get carried away like they did.
I'm fine with assisted suicide as long as their safeguards preventing government over reach..
Well for a start, if you do need stitches in the UK, you can go to A&E and be treated there and then.
Free of charge, and without considering suicide.
Maddog said
Apr 29 7:48 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
Well for a start, if you do need stitches in the UK, you can go to A&E and be treated there and then.
Free of charge, and without considering suicide.
Its a meme designed to highlight the issues, with a gross exaggeration.
While the Canadians werent killing people over minor injuries, they were starting to get a bit creepy over what they would pressure follks to do in regards to ending their lives.
And our bills for stiches are only $52,000. 😉
Syl said
Apr 30 6:22 PM, 2024
If /when assisted dying is legally allowed here, there obviously has to be airtight safeguards brought in to ensure no one is pressured.
But having seen someone I love, live a life of hell for two years, where that person simply existed, needing 24/7 care, with no hope and no will to carry on....I would 100% support giving people the right to die with dignity.
Magica said
May 1 12:57 AM, 2024
Syl wrote:
If /when assisted dying is legally allowed here, there obviously has to be airtight safeguards brought in to ensure no one is pressured.
But having seen someone I love, live a life of hell for two years, where that person simply existed, needing 24/7 care, with no hope and no will to carry on....I would 100% support giving people the right to die with dignity.
I do too. If I couldn't live my life normally, paralysed, it especially dementia etc, I want that choice before I wouldn't be able to agree to it.
Anonymous said
May 5 8:06 AM, 2024
Would people really trust any government to do the right thing? Discharging covid patents into care homes, remember only you had to protect the vulnerable the government could ( and did) do as it pleased. There would be no difference whatever government is in power.
When its my time if I know its not going to be pleasant I'm gone by my own means while I still have the power, if that's taken away I'm sure my family would do what they know I would want as I would for them.
Maddog said
May 5 4:47 PM, 2024
Anonymous wrote:
Would people really trust any government to do the right thing? Discharging covid patents into care homes, remember only you had to protect the vulnerable the government could ( and did) do as it pleased. There would be no difference whatever government is in power.
When its my time if I know its not going to be pleasant I'm gone by my own means while I still have the power, if that's taken away I'm sure my family would do what they know I would want as I would for them.
Thats always the great debate.
How much power do you want to give to an entity that wavers back and forth between incompetent and corrupt?
Syl said
May 5 5:46 PM, 2024
I don't want the state to decide...I want to decide myself. If I feel I won't be capable when the time comes, I will have it legally written down beforehand.
Assisted dying should be up to the person...not the state.
Maddog said
May 5 5:49 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
I don't want the state to decide...I want to decide myself. If I feel I won't be capable when the time comes, I will have it legally written down beforehand. Assisted dying should be up to the person...not the state.
Agreed.
Its just that the state is so intertwined in healthcare that it's hard to keep it all separate.
Syl said
May 5 6:00 PM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I don't want the state to decide...I want to decide myself. If I feel I won't be capable when the time comes, I will have it legally written down beforehand. Assisted dying should be up to the person...not the state.
Agreed.
Its just that the state is so intertwined in healthcare that it's hard to keep it all separate.
I fear for people who have no family to speak for them.
I know when my mum was in a care home nearing the end of her life, there were many residents who had no visitors, sometimes for the length of time they had been in there.
If no one cares enough to make the right choices for someone when they are incapable of making their own, if/when assisted dying is made legal, I can see people may be bumped off to save the state time and money.
"MPs are set to debate assisted dying today, after a campaign backed by the journalist and campaigner Dame Esther Rantzen.
The 83-year-old Childline founder, who has stage four lung cancer, revealed in December she had joined the assisted dying clinic, Dignitas, in Switzerland.
But she said under UK law, her family could be left at risk of prosecution if they helped her to go to Zurich, something she branded "not right" and "not ethical".
I am all for it...no doubt the older we get, when we have seen parents and others dying a slow and painful death, one that we all may face sometime, assisted dying in the comfort of our own surroundings seems preferable to the present alternatives.
MPs to debate assisted dying after campaign backed by Dame Esther Rantzen | UK News | Sky News
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 29th of April 2024 11:56:23 AM
Yeah? Well this ain’t Newsfix.
Me too! Subject to all precautions such as a terminal patient‘s extensive psych evals, and the absence of even the merest hint of any family pressure, then a person should have the absolute right to end-of-life care under their own terms.
Absolutely.
So stick to the sniping threads....and be thankful you have found your level.
https://nypost.com/2024/02/03/news/canada-halts-assisted-suicide-program-for-mentally-ill-due-to-lack-of-doctors/
Just dont get carried away like the Canucks..
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 29th of April 2024 04:01:00 PM
But Canada extended the assisted dying programme to people with none terminal illnesses. When someone is depressed, maybe their state of mind would improve after treatment....no need to request assisted suicide. So it's understandable that some doctors would refuse to help.
"The law was expanded in 2021 to include people experiencing “grievous and irremediable” conditions, such as depression and other mental health issues."
I know what Canada did. They were trying to save a buck and kill off folks that were going to be expensive to the system.
Thats why i said dont get carried away like they did.
I'm fine with assisted suicide as long as their safeguards preventing government over reach..
😉
Well for a start, if you do need stitches in the UK, you can go to A&E and be treated there and then.
Free of charge, and without considering suicide.
Its a meme designed to highlight the issues, with a gross exaggeration.
While the Canadians werent killing people over minor injuries, they were starting to get a bit creepy over what they would pressure follks to do in regards to ending their lives.
And our bills for stiches are only $52,000. 😉
But having seen someone I love, live a life of hell for two years, where that person simply existed, needing 24/7 care, with no hope and no will to carry on....I would 100% support giving people the right to die with dignity.
I do too. If I couldn't live my life normally, paralysed, it especially dementia etc, I want that choice before I wouldn't be able to agree to it.
Would people really trust any government to do the right thing? Discharging covid patents into care homes, remember only you had to protect the vulnerable the government could ( and did) do as it pleased. There would be no difference whatever government is in power.
When its my time if I know its not going to be pleasant I'm gone by my own means while I still have the power, if that's taken away I'm sure my family would do what they know I would want as I would for them.
Thats always the great debate.
How much power do you want to give to an entity that wavers back and forth between incompetent and corrupt?
Assisted dying should be up to the person...not the state.
Agreed.
Its just that the state is so intertwined in healthcare that it's hard to keep it all separate.
I fear for people who have no family to speak for them.
I know when my mum was in a care home nearing the end of her life, there were many residents who had no visitors, sometimes for the length of time they had been in there.
If no one cares enough to make the right choices for someone when they are incapable of making their own, if/when assisted dying is made legal, I can see people may be bumped off to save the state time and money.