Let's face it. We are all old. This thread is to make getting old less debilitating.
I'll start with a short clip from Peter Attia. If you're not following him, I suggest you start. He's one of the premier longevity experts on the planet.
Buy his book too. If you're counting on twice a year, 15 minute doctor appointments to keep you healthy at this stage, you're going to be disappointed..
Digger said
Oct 23 3:24 PM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
Let's face it. We are all old. This thread is to make getting old less debilitating.
I'll start with a short clip from Peter Attia. If you're not following him, I suggest you start. He's one of the premier longevity experts on the planet.
Buy his book too. If you're counting on twice a year, 15 minute doctor appointments to keep you healthy at this stage, you're going to be disappointed..
You can spend your whole life eating the right food and doing the right exercise, or in the case of that millionaire nutter, changing your blood every month with plasma, and still get run over by a bus.
Maddog said
Oct 23 3:30 PM, 2024
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Let's face it. We are all old. This thread is to make getting old less debilitating.
I'll start with a short clip from Peter Attia. If you're not following him, I suggest you start. He's one of the premier longevity experts on the planet.
Buy his book too. If you're counting on twice a year, 15 minute doctor appointments to keep you healthy at this stage, you're going to be disappointed..
You can spend your whole life eating the right food and doing the right exercise, or in the case of that millionaire nutter, changing your blood every month with plasma, and still get run over by a bus.
There is that.
But most people don't die from accidents, but slowly over several years, many of those years may be of questionable quality.
Attia discusses how well modern medicine can extend your lifespan, but he focuses on health span. Being active and capable in your later years..
Maddog said
Oct 23 4:23 PM, 2024
I made this the other night for the GF. I added in a diced turnip too.
It was excellent..
Anonymous said
Oct 23 4:32 PM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
I made this the other night for the GF. I added in a diced turnip too.
It was excellent..
Full marks to you for listening to that annoying voice for seven minutes without turning it off.
Syl said
Oct 23 5:12 PM, 2024
I eat mostly a Mediterranean diet, it's the sort of food I like, though I do like chocolate and obviously a glass of nice chilled wine with my dinner.
So far I am healthy....the only downside is arthritis, especially in the legs, I think because I was really active till around 10 years ago, I am paying the price now with wear and tear.
To combat the failing legs, I do weights every day to make sure my arms are strong.
I think diets are a waste of time, I have never been on one, but I see enough failed dieters to know long term, they just dont work.
Maddog said
Oct 23 6:12 PM, 2024
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
I made this the other night for the GF. I added in a diced turnip too.
It was excellent..
Full marks to you for listening to that annoying voice for seven minutes without turning it off.
She's a California girl.
They talk like that.
Maddog said
Oct 23 6:25 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
I eat mostly a Mediterranean diet, it's the sort of food I like, though I do like chocolate and obviously a glass of nice chilled wine with my dinner.
So far I am healthy....the only downside is arthritis, especially in the legs, I think because I was really active till around 10 years ago, I am paying the price now with wear and tear.
To combat the failing legs, I do weights every day to make sure my arms are strong.
I think diets are a waste of time, I have never been on one, but I see enough failed dieters to know long term, they just dont work.
I doubt your activity caused you problems, unless you were doing some serious running.
A lack of strength training is probably more of your problem..It's very difficult to get "mature" women to embrace the idea of grabbing a heavy barbell and lifting it. They grab little pink dumbells and call it weight training..
Diets as in some sort of fad aren't a good idea if they are difficult. You'll eventually quit..
But understanding roughly what foods are high in protein, sugars, fats and fibers is very important.
The Mediterranean Diet does that to a high degree.. It can be a little low in protein depending on how much of what you eat..
Recent research indicates we actually need more protein as we age. A lot of women don't get near enough and their muscles, tendons, ligaments and bones are weak.
Relatively healthy women with a shit diet (like my late mother) fall, break a bone and are already so weak that rehab is too difficult.. Many are dead in months and most in a couple of years..
No one has ever ever suffered ill effects from being too strong entering their 80s. Quite the contrary..
Anonymous said
Oct 23 6:31 PM, 2024
Syl said
Oct 23 9:49 PM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I eat mostly a Mediterranean diet, it's the sort of food I like, though I do like chocolate and obviously a glass of nice chilled wine with my dinner.
So far I am healthy....the only downside is arthritis, especially in the legs, I think because I was really active till around 10 years ago, I am paying the price now with wear and tear.
To combat the failing legs, I do weights every day to make sure my arms are strong.
I think diets are a waste of time, I have never been on one, but I see enough failed dieters to know long term, they just dont work.
I doubt your activity caused you problems, unless you were doing some serious running.
A lack of strength training is probably more of your problem..It's very difficult to get "mature" women to embrace the idea of grabbing a heavy barbell and lifting it. They grab little pink dumbells and call it weight training..
Diets as in some sort of fad aren't a good idea if they are difficult. You'll eventually quit..
But understanding roughly what foods are high in protein, sugars, fats and fibers is very important.
The Mediterranean Diet does that to a high degree.. It can be a little low in protein depending on how much of what you eat..
Recent research indicates we actually need more protein as we age. A lot of women don't get near enough and their muscles, tendons, ligaments and bones are weak.
Relatively healthy women with a shit diet (like my late mother) fall, break a bone and are already so weak that rehab is too difficult.. Many are dead in months and most in a couple of years..
No one has ever ever suffered ill effects from being too strong entering their 80s. Quite the contrary..
I didn't run, I cycled, swam, kayaked, just was very active, whilst I know a lot of people my age never were, yet they have never suffered from osteoarthritis...it's maybe just the luck of the draw.
Personally I don't worry about what I eat, I love food, and if I had to monitor what I did or didn't eat, it would take the enjoyment out of it. I do know a few yo-yo dieters, and inevitably, they lose weight, then when they come off the diet (and go back to old eating habits) they put the weight back plus a few more pound every time.
Maddog said
Oct 23 10:39 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I eat mostly a Mediterranean diet, it's the sort of food I like, though I do like chocolate and obviously a glass of nice chilled wine with my dinner.
So far I am healthy....the only downside is arthritis, especially in the legs, I think because I was really active till around 10 years ago, I am paying the price now with wear and tear.
To combat the failing legs, I do weights every day to make sure my arms are strong.
I think diets are a waste of time, I have never been on one, but I see enough failed dieters to know long term, they just dont work.
I doubt your activity caused you problems, unless you were doing some serious running.
A lack of strength training is probably more of your problem..It's very difficult to get "mature" women to embrace the idea of grabbing a heavy barbell and lifting it. They grab little pink dumbells and call it weight training..
Diets as in some sort of fad aren't a good idea if they are difficult. You'll eventually quit..
But understanding roughly what foods are high in protein, sugars, fats and fibers is very important.
The Mediterranean Diet does that to a high degree.. It can be a little low in protein depending on how much of what you eat..
Recent research indicates we actually need more protein as we age. A lot of women don't get near enough and their muscles, tendons, ligaments and bones are weak.
Relatively healthy women with a shit diet (like my late mother) fall, break a bone and are already so weak that rehab is too difficult.. Many are dead in months and most in a couple of years..
No one has ever ever suffered ill effects from being too strong entering their 80s. Quite the contrary..
I didn't run, I cycled, swam, kayaked, just was very active, whilst I know a lot of people my age never were, yet they have never suffered from osteoarthritis...it's maybe just the luck of the draw.
Personally I don't worry about what I eat, I love food, and if I had to monitor what I did or didn't eat, it would take the enjoyment out of it. I do know a few yo-yo dieters, and inevitably, they lose weight, then when they come off the diet (and go back to old eating habits) they put the weight back plus a few more pound every time.
Cycling can overtrain certain leg muscles, while others atrophy to a degree. I've suffered the same with osteoarthritis in my knee from doing way too much cycling and not enough other training for my legs. My buddy who cycles just had a doctor tell him then same thing. Cycling is great as a part of an exercise regimen. It can't be the only thing you do for your legs..
Now I'm serious about leg days at the gym amd my pain is almost non existent..And my cycling is even stronger.
I think you monitor your food to some degree. I bet you eat a fairly balanced diet of real food and don't eat 6 bowls of ice cream every day because you know that's not a healthy diet, regardless of how much you might enjoy all of that ice cream.
Anonymous said
Oct 24 6:59 AM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
Let's face it. We are all old. This thread is to make getting old less debilitating.
I'll start with a short clip from Peter Attia. If you're not following him, I suggest you start. He's one of the premier longevity experts on the planet.
Buy his book too. If you're counting on twice a year, 15 minute doctor appointments to keep you healthy at this stage, you're going to be disappointed..
You might be wasting your time here - you're giving health advice to people who aren't asking for it.
Maddog said
Oct 24 2:42 PM, 2024
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Let's face it. We are all old. This thread is to make getting old less debilitating.
I'll start with a short clip from Peter Attia. If you're not following him, I suggest you start. He's one of the premier longevity experts on the planet.
Buy his book too. If you're counting on twice a year, 15 minute doctor appointments to keep you healthy at this stage, you're going to be disappointed..
You might be wasting your time here - you're giving health advice to people who aren't asking for it.
I'm posting information. Some people might be interested, others aren't..
The one thing about this thread is that it's topic will impact all of us directly at some point. We can't escape aging and declining health. How we fight it will impact our quantity and quality of life..
Maddog said
Oct 24 2:51 PM, 2024
"Dr. Gabrielle Lyon is board certified in family medicine and completed a combined research and clinical fellowship in geriatrics and nutritional sciences at Washington University in St. Louis. She completed her undergraduate training in nutritional sciences at the University of Illinois. Dr. Lyon is a subject-matter expert and educator in the practical application of protein types and levels for health, performance, aging, and disease prevention. She has continued to receive mentorship from Dr. Donald Layman, PhD, over the course of two decades to help bring protein metabolism and nutrition from the bench to the bedside."
Digger mentioned getting hit by a bus earlier. While that literally won't happen to most people, it figuratively will happen to most of us. There's a reason young people bounce back from injury and disease. There's a reason older people are told to get shots that younger people don't. We weaken with age and are more susceptible to the figurative busses that hit us..
I put these in smoothies, scrambled eggs, beans and just about anything that has some some liquid or stock.
Don't eat them dry, straight out of the bag.
They are also good at thickening things because the swell up and absorb liquid..
You can make a pudding out of them but I've never tried that..
Between their omega 3's, and high fiber, they are an excellent and cheap source of nutrients we need..
Maddog said
Oct 24 4:33 PM, 2024
For years, public health officials have stressed the importance of following a largely plant-forward diet to lower one's risk of developing a range of serious diseases. But not all plant-based foods are created equal, leading to plenty of confusion about what you should — and shouldn't — reach for at the grocery store.
Now, new research suggests that opting for ultra-processed plant-based foods can raise your risk of experiencing serious health events like heart attacks and strokes. The study, published in The Lancet Regional Health - Europe, analyzed nearly a decade's worth of data from about 118,000 adults who participated in the UK Biobank, a long-term study of health and lifestyle in the UK. Overall, the researchers discovered that the more ultra-processed foods people ate, the higher the odds they would die from heart disease.
Specifically, for every 10% increase in calories from plant-based ultra-processed foods, people had a 5% higher risk of developing heart disease and a 6% higher risk of coronary heart disease.
For years, public health officials have stressed the importance of following a largely plant-forward diet to lower one's risk of developing a range of serious diseases. But not all plant-based foods are created equal, leading to plenty of confusion about what you should — and shouldn't — reach for at the grocery store.
Now, new research suggests that opting for ultra-processed plant-based foods can raise your risk of experiencing serious health events like heart attacks and strokes. The study, published in The Lancet Regional Health - Europe, analyzed nearly a decade's worth of data from about 118,000 adults who participated in the UK Biobank, a long-term study of health and lifestyle in the UK. Overall, the researchers discovered that the more ultra-processed foods people ate, the higher the odds they would die from heart disease.
Specifically, for every 10% increase in calories from plant-based ultra-processed foods, people had a 5% higher risk of developing heart disease and a 6% higher risk of coronary heart disease.
it's a no brainer. All this vegan plant based shite is just another hysterical trend snowflakes follow slavishly. I get that not everyone wants to eat meat or dairy. Fair enough. But it's the trend is fast vegan food that makes me laugh. I know someone who swears on that horrible vegan squirty cream. When you look at the ingredients you wouldn't feed it to your dog!
The human body is fundamentally designed to heal itself. We interfere with that process when we eat crap and suffer from stress. I've been banging on about this for years. Stress is a killer.
Maddog said
Oct 24 6:38 PM, 2024
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
For years, public health officials have stressed the importance of following a largely plant-forward diet to lower one's risk of developing a range of serious diseases. But not all plant-based foods are created equal, leading to plenty of confusion about what you should — and shouldn't — reach for at the grocery store.
Now, new research suggests that opting for ultra-processed plant-based foods can raise your risk of experiencing serious health events like heart attacks and strokes. The study, published in The Lancet Regional Health - Europe, analyzed nearly a decade's worth of data from about 118,000 adults who participated in the UK Biobank, a long-term study of health and lifestyle in the UK. Overall, the researchers discovered that the more ultra-processed foods people ate, the higher the odds they would die from heart disease.
Specifically, for every 10% increase in calories from plant-based ultra-processed foods, people had a 5% higher risk of developing heart disease and a 6% higher risk of coronary heart disease.
it's a no brainer. All this vegan plant based shite is just another hysterical trend snowflakes follow slavishly. I get that not everyone wants to eat meat or dairy. Fair enough. But it's the trend is fast vegan food that makes me laugh. I know someone who swears on that horrible vegan squirty cream. When you look at the ingredients you wouldn't feed it to your dog!
The human body is fundamentally designed to heal itself. We interfere with that process when we eat crap and suffer from stress. I've been banging on about this for years. Stress is a killer.
Real vegan food isn't bad for you, it's just difficult to get enough protein. Who wants to eat that many beans and lentils everyday. I mean I eat them almost every day as a side dish, not the main course.
I fart enough as it is..
It's the fake, lab engineered, ultra processed shit that's unhealthy and what this study focused on.
Stop eating stuff in a box or already cooked..
jackb said
Oct 24 8:13 PM, 2024
Biggest killer in the world for the last 40 years has been heart disease. After 40 years of mass Statin use the biggest killer in the world is heart disease. Stop taking that rubbish!
-- Edited by jackb on Thursday 24th of October 2024 08:16:16 PM
Maddog said
Oct 25 4:29 PM, 2024
jackb wrote:
Biggest killer in the world for the last 40 years has been heart disease. After 40 years of mass Statin use the biggest killer in the world is heart disease. Stop taking that rubbish!
-- Edited by jackb on Thursday 24th of October 2024 08:16:16 PM
I'm not sure about statins, but it's pretty obvious that the western world is in increasing poor health requiring pharmacological intervention to keep us functioning and alive..
No doubt a pill is easier than exercise and a healthy diet.
Let's face it. We are all old. This thread is to make getting old less debilitating.
I'll start with a short clip from Peter Attia. If you're not following him, I suggest you start. He's one of the premier longevity experts on the planet.
Buy his book too. If you're counting on twice a year, 15 minute doctor appointments to keep you healthy at this stage, you're going to be disappointed..
You can spend your whole life eating the right food and doing the right exercise, or in the case of that millionaire nutter, changing your blood every month with plasma, and still get run over by a bus.
There is that.
But most people don't die from accidents, but slowly over several years, many of those years may be of questionable quality.
Attia discusses how well modern medicine can extend your lifespan, but he focuses on health span. Being active and capable in your later years..
I made this the other night for the GF. I added in a diced turnip too.
It was excellent..
Full marks to you for listening to that annoying voice for seven minutes without turning it off.
So far I am healthy....the only downside is arthritis, especially in the legs, I think because I was really active till around 10 years ago, I am paying the price now with wear and tear.
To combat the failing legs, I do weights every day to make sure my arms are strong.
I think diets are a waste of time, I have never been on one, but I see enough failed dieters to know long term, they just dont work.
She's a California girl.
They talk like that.
I doubt your activity caused you problems, unless you were doing some serious running.
A lack of strength training is probably more of your problem..It's very difficult to get "mature" women to embrace the idea of grabbing a heavy barbell and lifting it. They grab little pink dumbells and call it weight training..
Diets as in some sort of fad aren't a good idea if they are difficult. You'll eventually quit..
But understanding roughly what foods are high in protein, sugars, fats and fibers is very important.
The Mediterranean Diet does that to a high degree.. It can be a little low in protein depending on how much of what you eat..
Recent research indicates we actually need more protein as we age. A lot of women don't get near enough and their muscles, tendons, ligaments and bones are weak.
Relatively healthy women with a shit diet (like my late mother) fall, break a bone and are already so weak that rehab is too difficult.. Many are dead in months and most in a couple of years..
No one has ever ever suffered ill effects from being too strong entering their 80s. Quite the contrary..
I didn't run, I cycled, swam, kayaked, just was very active, whilst I know a lot of people my age never were, yet they have never suffered from osteoarthritis...it's maybe just the luck of the draw.
Personally I don't worry about what I eat, I love food, and if I had to monitor what I did or didn't eat, it would take the enjoyment out of it. I do know a few yo-yo dieters, and inevitably, they lose weight, then when they come off the diet (and go back to old eating habits) they put the weight back plus a few more pound every time.
Cycling can overtrain certain leg muscles, while others atrophy to a degree. I've suffered the same with osteoarthritis in my knee from doing way too much cycling and not enough other training for my legs. My buddy who cycles just had a doctor tell him then same thing. Cycling is great as a part of an exercise regimen. It can't be the only thing you do for your legs..
Now I'm serious about leg days at the gym amd my pain is almost non existent..And my cycling is even stronger.
I think you monitor your food to some degree. I bet you eat a fairly balanced diet of real food and don't eat 6 bowls of ice cream every day because you know that's not a healthy diet, regardless of how much you might enjoy all of that ice cream.
I'm posting information. Some people might be interested, others aren't..
The one thing about this thread is that it's topic will impact all of us directly at some point. We can't escape aging and declining health. How we fight it will impact our quantity and quality of life..
Just so you know she's qualified..
youtube.com/shorts/yP3hKGI5DEM
Digger mentioned getting hit by a bus earlier. While that literally won't happen to most people, it figuratively will happen to most of us. There's a reason young people bounce back from injury and disease. There's a reason older people are told to get shots that younger people don't. We weaken with age and are more susceptible to the figurative busses that hit us..
I put these in smoothies, scrambled eggs, beans and just about anything that has some some liquid or stock.
Don't eat them dry, straight out of the bag.
They are also good at thickening things because the swell up and absorb liquid..
You can make a pudding out of them but I've never tried that..
Between their omega 3's, and high fiber, they are an excellent and cheap source of nutrients we need..
Now, new research suggests that opting for ultra-processed plant-based foods can raise your risk of experiencing serious health events like heart attacks and strokes. The study, published in The Lancet Regional Health - Europe, analyzed nearly a decade's worth of data from about 118,000 adults who participated in the UK Biobank, a long-term study of health and lifestyle in the UK. Overall, the researchers discovered that the more ultra-processed foods people ate, the higher the odds they would die from heart disease.
Specifically, for every 10% increase in calories from plant-based ultra-processed foods, people had a 5% higher risk of developing heart disease and a 6% higher risk of coronary heart disease.
www.foodandwine.com/processed-plant-based-foods-unhealthy-study-8690005
Eat
Real
Food.
it's a no brainer. All this vegan plant based shite is just another hysterical trend snowflakes follow slavishly. I get that not everyone wants to eat meat or dairy. Fair enough. But it's the trend is fast vegan food that makes me laugh. I know someone who swears on that horrible vegan squirty cream. When you look at the ingredients you wouldn't feed it to your dog!
The human body is fundamentally designed to heal itself. We interfere with that process when we eat crap and suffer from stress. I've been banging on about this for years. Stress is a killer.
Real vegan food isn't bad for you, it's just difficult to get enough protein. Who wants to eat that many beans and lentils everyday. I mean I eat them almost every day as a side dish, not the main course.
I fart enough as it is..
It's the fake, lab engineered, ultra processed shit that's unhealthy and what this study focused on.
Stop eating stuff in a box or already cooked..
Biggest killer in the world for the last 40 years has been heart disease.
After 40 years of mass Statin use the biggest killer in the world is heart disease.
Stop taking that rubbish!
-- Edited by jackb on Thursday 24th of October 2024 08:16:16 PM
I'm not sure about statins, but it's pretty obvious that the western world is in increasing poor health requiring pharmacological intervention to keep us functioning and alive..
No doubt a pill is easier than exercise and a healthy diet.