I don't know the full context of the quotes as I haven't seen much stuff featuring him. Personally from what I saw I found him to be a weak debater resorting to rhetorical flourishes rather than good arguments but that's just me.
Should he have been killed for his words? Of course not. However, I can fully understand why people from certain communities do not want to show him the courtesy in death which he didn't show them in life.
I feel the BIB is what folk like you are missing Madders and sorry if this is embarrassing for Avon but I feel he is exceptional at making such accurate statements so succinctly and without being over emotive. Nor does he feel the need to be little others.(please don't leave again Avon I beg of ypu! Must you have a life?? ) I'm jesting btw Avon before you worry. Kinda.
If Kirk was such a misunderstood guy MD there wouldn't be masses of people celebrating his death.(an abhorrent action but that's how controversial and extreme what he said was) So your wide eyed dismay at people somehow getting the wrong end of the stick doesn't really work. Maybe you are used to hearing those points of view across the pond and agree with them. It's the total opposite for me on both counts. I'm no spring chicken to be sure but two decades younger than you and I have grown up with what you would doubtless consider "woke" viewpoints in the media until.very recently.
If treating and seeing people of different ethnicities as equal is considered woke, I'm glad to be so.
There are no shortage of out of context quotes being shared to promote an agenda.
This Guardian article is prime example.
You don't have to get past the description of Charlie to see that .
I see, so EVERY source is "misrepresentation" ??
Oh come on! I have actually heard him saying these "soundbites," on LBC ( British radio station) and they are not taken out of context and he is not misrepresented. I'm fact he was rather rude about the way Michelle Obama spoke when he posted her talking about affirmative action.
But you will claim I never heard that and will claim to distrust the sources of the quotes that are identical everywhere you find them.
I will ask Syl later if she will kindly post a relevant video where you can actually hear him saying these things but then I'm done. Believe it or not, I don't want to talk ill of him so soon after his passing. And as I think you are realising my tablet is too slow for me to.be your sparring partner
Take Care Madders, have a good weekend.
Maddog said
Sep 13 7:07 PM, 2025
So.....
He never claimed black women had a lower mental capacity, but said people that supported affirmative action believed it.
He didn't think pilots should be promoted based on their race.
And he knew about MLKs sordid personal life including rape.
What's next?
Fluffy said
Sep 13 7:08 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
"Newly unearthed files claim the civil rights leader ‘looked on and laughed’ as a pastor friend raped a parishioner in a hotel."
I forgot this gem.
Do good men laugh while a woman is being raped..
Charlie was absolutely right about MLK..
Hang on.
Regarding BIB, care to elaborate or is that the extent of your knowledge?
I don't know the full context of the quotes as I haven't seen much stuff featuring him. Personally from what I saw I found him to be a weak debater resorting to rhetorical flourishes rather than good arguments but that's just me.
Should he have been killed for his words? Of course not. However, I can fully understand why people from certain communities do not want to show him the courtesy in death which he didn't show them in life.
I feel the BIB is what folk like you are missing Madders and sorry if this is embarrassing for Avon but I feel he is exceptional at making such accurate statements so succinctly and without being over emotive. Nor does he feel the need to be little others.(please don't leave again Avon I beg of ypu! Must you have a life?? ) I'm jesting btw Avon before you worry. Kinda.
If Kirk was such a misunderstood guy MD there wouldn't be masses of people celebrating his death.(an abhorrent action but that's how controversial and extreme what he said was) So your wide eyed dismay at people somehow getting the wrong end of the stick doesn't really work. Maybe you are used to hearing those points of view across the pond and agree with them. It's the total opposite for me on both counts. I'm no spring chicken to be sure but two decades younger than you and I have grown up with what you would doubtless consider "woke" viewpoints in the media until.very recently.
If treating and seeing people of different ethnicities as equal is considered woke, I'm glad to be so.
There are no shortage of out of context quotes being shared to promote an agenda.
This Guardian article is prime example.
You don't have to get past the description of Charlie to see that .
I see, so EVERY source is "misrepresentation" ??
Oh come on! I have actually heard him saying these "soundbites," on LBC ( British radio station) and they are not taken out of context and he is not misrepresented. I'm fact he was rather rude about the way Michelle Obama spoke when he posted her talking about affirmative action.
But you will claim I never heard that and will claim to distrust the sources of the quotes that are identical everywhere you find them.
I will ask Syl later if she will kindly post a relevant video where you can actually hear him saying these things but then I'm done. Believe it or not, I don't want to talk ill of him so soon after his passing. And as I think you are realising my tablet is too slow for me to.be your sparring partner
Take Care Madders, have a good weekend.
Not every source..
Just the ones that you seek out to confirm your biases.
And you don't need a faster tablet. Your just using too many words. 😉
Take care .
Maddog said
Sep 13 7:10 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Newly unearthed files claim the civil rights leader ‘looked on and laughed’ as a pastor friend raped a parishioner in a hotel."
I forgot this gem.
Do good men laugh while a woman is being raped..
Charlie was absolutely right about MLK..
Hang on.
Regarding BIB, care to elaborate or is that the extent of your knowledge?
What is your position on men that laugh at rape?
Digger said
Sep 13 7:12 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
As for the intellectual capacities of black women being lower it's quite clear that he was saying people that believed in affirmative action held that position or supported the promotion of people with lower intellectual capacities to meet a diversity quota..
What about him.saying Martin Luther King was "a bad person" (yes he did say that, his critique was actually more harsh. I 'm hoping that will be included on Avon 's link (If you consider his link credible enough of course) He wasn't alive when MLK was ! You will get your proof in ten minutes. My tablet is not at all well.
Try and answer why you think that is an acceptable opinion. Because I assume you do.
Kirk was going around debating with college kids, not people his own age. I find that interesting too, like he was recruiting for Trump amongst the youth.
Martin Luther King Jnr, not Martin Luther King.
Here's some examples of how easy it is to get it wrong.
A popular post on X incorrectly claimed that Kirk used a slur for Asian people.
“That time Charlie Kirk called an Asian woman in the audience ‘c—-’ multiple times,” the post reads, spelling out the slur in full, and accompanied by a montage video from TikTok. “He made millions off of his racism and sexism.”
The video, however, does not show Kirk using the slur. Rather, as an X Community Note explains, Kirk was shouting at Cenk Uygur, a co-host of the Young Turks, a progressive online news show, and using his first name. The two men were at Politicon, an annual nonpartisan political convention, in October 2018.
“I live like a capitalist every single day, Cenk!” Kirk said angrily to Uygur, after Uygur interrupted a debate Kirk was having with the Young Turks’ Hasan Piker about what political views young people should have. “Come on, Cenk, let’s go,” he said later.
The Washington Examiner reported on the exchange at the time, and the Young Turks also posted a clip to YouTube, along with the full debate.
In less than two days, the inaccurate post was viewed more than 16 million times on X.
In a June 8, 2024, episode of his podcast Kirk reacted to Accurso posting a video in which she cited Bible scripture to explain why she had wished a “Happy Pride” that month to people in the LGBTQ+ community.
“My faith is really important to me, and it’s also one reason why I love every neighbor,” she said in her video. “In Matthew 22, a religious teacher asked Jesus, what’s the most important commandment? And Jesus says, to love God and to ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “It doesn’t say love every neighbor except,” she went on to say.
In his reply, Kirk said Accurso left out something else the Bible says. “She’s not totally wrong,” Kirk said. “The first part is Deuteronomy 6:3–5. The second part is Leviticus 19. So you love God, so you must love his law. How do you love somebody? You love them by telling them the truth, not by confirming or affirming their sin.”
He continued: “And it says, by the way, Ms. Rachel, might want to crack open that Bible of yours, in a lesser reference, part of the same part of scripture is in Leviticus 18, is that thou shall lay with another man shall be stoned to death, just saying. So, Ms. Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19, love your neighbor as yourself. The chapter before affirms God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”
After backlash from Kirk supporters, the author Stephen King, who had posted on X on Sept. 11 that Kirk had “advocated stoning gays to death,” retracted his claim and apologized. King said, “What [Kirk] actually demonstrated was how some people cherry-pick Biblical passages.”
Syl said
Sep 13 7:16 PM, 2025
Hate to butt in...
But were not a lot of the slurs against MLK generated by the FBI who were trying to discredit him at the time?
As for him laughing at a woman being raped, where did that info come from, it could be as flaky as some of the articles about what Charlie Kirk said.
Maddog said
Sep 13 7:17 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
As for the intellectual capacities of black women being lower it's quite clear that he was saying people that believed in affirmative action held that position or supported the promotion of people with lower intellectual capacities to meet a diversity quota..
What about him.saying Martin Luther King was "a bad person" (yes he did say that, his critique was actually more harsh. I 'm hoping that will be included on Avon 's link (If you consider his link credible enough of course) He wasn't alive when MLK was ! You will get your proof in ten minutes. My tablet is not at all well.
Try and answer why you think that is an acceptable opinion. Because I assume you do.
Kirk was going around debating with college kids, not people his own age. I find that interesting too, like he was recruiting for Trump amongst the youth.
Martin Luther King Jnr, not Martin Luther King.
Here's some examples of how easy it is to get it wrong.
A popular post on X incorrectly claimed that Kirk used a slur for Asian people.
“That time Charlie Kirk called an Asian woman in the audience ‘c—-’ multiple times,” the post reads, spelling out the slur in full, and accompanied by a montage video from TikTok. “He made millions off of his racism and sexism.”
The video, however, does not show Kirk using the slur. Rather, as an X Community Note explains, Kirk was shouting at Cenk Uygur, a co-host of the Young Turks, a progressive online news show, and using his first name. The two men were at Politicon, an annual nonpartisan political convention, in October 2018.
“I live like a capitalist every single day, Cenk!” Kirk said angrily to Uygur, after Uygur interrupted a debate Kirk was having with the Young Turks’ Hasan Piker about what political views young people should have. “Come on, Cenk, let’s go,” he said later.
The Washington Examiner reported on the exchange at the time, and the Young Turks also posted a clip to YouTube, along with the full debate.
In less than two days, the inaccurate post was viewed more than 16 million times on X.
In a June 8, 2024, episode of his podcast Kirk reacted to Accurso posting a video in which she cited Bible scripture to explain why she had wished a “Happy Pride” that month to people in the LGBTQ+ community.
“My faith is really important to me, and it’s also one reason why I love every neighbor,” she said in her video. “In Matthew 22, a religious teacher asked Jesus, what’s the most important commandment? And Jesus says, to love God and to ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “It doesn’t say love every neighbor except,” she went on to say.
In his reply, Kirk said Accurso left out something else the Bible says. “She’s not totally wrong,” Kirk said. “The first part is Deuteronomy 6:3–5. The second part is Leviticus 19. So you love God, so you must love his law. How do you love somebody? You love them by telling them the truth, not by confirming or affirming their sin.”
He continued: “And it says, by the way, Ms. Rachel, might want to crack open that Bible of yours, in a lesser reference, part of the same part of scripture is in Leviticus 18, is that thou shall lay with another man shall be stoned to death, just saying. So, Ms. Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19, love your neighbor as yourself. The chapter before affirms God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”
After backlash from Kirk supporters, the author Stephen King, who had posted on X on Sept. 11 that Kirk had “advocated stoning gays to death,” retracted his claim and apologized. King said, “What [Kirk] actually demonstrated was how some people cherry-pick Biblical passages.”
Correct.
The misinformation and misrepresentation is horrendous.
He never claimed black women had a lower mental capacity, but said people that supported affirmative action believed it.
He didn't think pilots should be promoted based on their race.
And he knew about MLKs sordid personal life including rape.
What's next?
Yes he did. Hesaid that black women were lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".That is bigoted rhetoric and No body will change my mind on that.
He said he was worried when he saw ANY black pilot based on the actions of one black pilot. That's the essence of stereotyping , putting people with shared characteristics together ,in this case ethnicity and saying they are all the same..
He didn't mention whether or not pilots should be promoted based on their race so I don't know where you got that from. Doubting somebody's capabilities on their skin colour is madness..and actually saying it out loud. Good gracious.
Surely his rhetoric was promoting division and stirring up trouble? He was trying to make a name for himself using outdated prejudices, nothing new there, but this chap didn't know where to draw the line.
Digger said
Sep 13 7:23 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Newly unearthed files claim the civil rights leader ‘looked on and laughed’ as a pastor friend raped a parishioner in a hotel."
I forgot this gem.
Do good men laugh while a woman is being raped..
Charlie was absolutely right about MLK..
Hang on.
Regarding BIB, care to elaborate or is that the extent of your knowledge?
What is your position on men that laugh at rape?
There's no actual proof he did that, but he was a serial womaniser.
Maddog said
Sep 13 7:26 PM, 2025
And I posted a link way back of Cenk discussing the assassination. He would never say the things he said about Charlie if Charlie had the views that some are claiming.
Cenk debated Charlie often and he knew Charlie was a good man..
Maddog said
Sep 13 7:27 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Newly unearthed files claim the civil rights leader ‘looked on and laughed’ as a pastor friend raped a parishioner in a hotel."
I forgot this gem.
Do good men laugh while a woman is being raped..
Charlie was absolutely right about MLK..
Hang on.
Regarding BIB, care to elaborate or is that the extent of your knowledge?
What is your position on men that laugh at rape?
There's no actual proof he did that, but he was a serial womaniser.
We have proof from law enforcement records. We don't video.
Maddog said
Sep 13 7:29 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
So.....
He never claimed black women had a lower mental capacity, but said people that supported affirmative action believed it.
He didn't think pilots should be promoted based on their race.
And he knew about MLKs sordid personal life including rape.
What's next?
Yes he did. Hesaid that black women were lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".That is bigoted rhetoric and No body will change my mind on that.
He said he was worried when he saw ANY black pilot based on the actions of one black pilot. That's the essence of stereotyping , putting people with shared characteristics together ,in this case ethnicity and saying they are all the same..
He didn't mention whether or not pilots should be promoted based on their race so I don't know where you got that from. Doubting somebody's capabilities on their skin colour is madness..and actually saying it out loud. Good gracious.
Surely his rhetoric was promoting division and stirring up trouble? He was trying to make a name for himself using outdated prejudices, nothing new there, but this chap didn't know where to draw the line.
The discussion was about affirmative action..
Do you know what "context " means?
Syl said
Sep 13 7:30 PM, 2025
I think this clip may be the one Fluffy wanted to post earlier...scroll down it, there is a video
He never claimed black women had a lower mental capacity, but said people that supported affirmative action believed it.
He didn't think pilots should be promoted based on their race.
And he knew about MLKs sordid personal life including rape.
What's next?
Yes he did. Hesaid that black women were lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".That is bigoted rhetoric and No body will change my mind on that.
He said he was worried when he saw ANY black pilot based on the actions of one black pilot. That's the essence of stereotyping , putting people with shared characteristics together ,in this case ethnicity and saying they are all the same..
He didn't mention whether or not pilots should be promoted based on their race so I don't know where you got that from. Doubting somebody's capabilities on their skin colour is madness..and actually saying it out loud. Good gracious.
Surely his rhetoric was promoting division and stirring up trouble? He was trying to make a name for himself using outdated prejudices, nothing new there, but this chap didn't know where to draw the line.
And he said that people who believe in affirmative action believe that black women were lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".
Digger said
Sep 13 7:33 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
So.....
He never claimed black women had a lower mental capacity, but said people that supported affirmative action believed it.
He didn't think pilots should be promoted based on their race.
And he knew about MLKs sordid personal life including rape.
What's next?
Yes he did. Hesaid that black women were lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".That is bigoted rhetoric and No body will change my mind on that.
He said he was worried when he saw ANY black pilot based on the actions of one black pilot. That's the essence of stereotyping , putting people with shared characteristics together ,in this case ethnicity and saying they are all the same..
He didn't mention whether or not pilots should be promoted based on their race so I don't know where you got that from. Doubting somebody's capabilities on their skin colour is madness..and actually saying it out loud. Good gracious.
Surely his rhetoric was promoting division and stirring up trouble? He was trying to make a name for himself using outdated prejudices, nothing new there, but this chap didn't know where to draw the line.
Here's the transcript of exactly what he said. No mention of the B word. We could say exactly the same about David Lammy or that other moron, Diane Abbot. How on earth those two ever got a place in Uni beats me.
If we would have said three weeks ago that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative-action picks, we would have been called racist. But now they're coming out and they're saying it for us! They're coming out and they're saying, "I'm only here because of affirmative action."
Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
Maddog said
Sep 13 7:35 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
I think this clip may be the one Fluffy wanted to post earlier...scroll down it, there is a video
I forgot this gem.
Do good men laugh while a woman is being raped..
Charlie was absolutely right about MLK..
I see, so EVERY source is "misrepresentation" ??
Oh come on! I have actually heard him saying these "soundbites," on LBC ( British radio station) and they are not taken out of context and he is not misrepresented. I'm fact he was rather rude about the way Michelle Obama spoke when he posted her talking about affirmative action.
But you will claim I never heard that and will claim to distrust the sources of the quotes that are identical everywhere you find them.
I will ask Syl later if she will kindly post a relevant video where you can actually hear him saying these things but then I'm done. Believe it or not, I don't want to talk ill of him so soon after his passing. And as I think you are realising my tablet is too slow for me to.be your sparring partner
Take Care Madders, have a good weekend.
He never claimed black women had a lower mental capacity, but said people that supported affirmative action believed it.
He didn't think pilots should be promoted based on their race.
And he knew about MLKs sordid personal life including rape.
What's next?
Hang on.
Regarding BIB, care to elaborate or is that the extent of your knowledge?
Not every source..
Just the ones that you seek out to confirm your biases.
And you don't need a faster tablet. Your just using too many words. 😉
Take care .
What is your position on men that laugh at rape?
Martin Luther King Jnr, not Martin Luther King.
Here's some examples of how easy it is to get it wrong.
A popular post on X incorrectly claimed that Kirk used a slur for Asian people.
“That time Charlie Kirk called an Asian woman in the audience ‘c—-’ multiple times,” the post reads, spelling out the slur in full, and accompanied by a montage video from TikTok. “He made millions off of his racism and sexism.”
The video, however, does not show Kirk using the slur. Rather, as an X Community Note explains, Kirk was shouting at Cenk Uygur, a co-host of the Young Turks, a progressive online news show, and using his first name. The two men were at Politicon, an annual nonpartisan political convention, in October 2018.
“I live like a capitalist every single day, Cenk!” Kirk said angrily to Uygur, after Uygur interrupted a debate Kirk was having with the Young Turks’ Hasan Piker about what political views young people should have. “Come on, Cenk, let’s go,” he said later.
The Washington Examiner reported on the exchange at the time, and the Young Turks also posted a clip to YouTube, along with the full debate.
In less than two days, the inaccurate post was viewed more than 16 million times on X.
In a June 8, 2024, episode of his podcast Kirk reacted to Accurso posting a video in which she cited Bible scripture to explain why she had wished a “Happy Pride” that month to people in the LGBTQ+ community.
“My faith is really important to me, and it’s also one reason why I love every neighbor,” she said in her video. “In Matthew 22, a religious teacher asked Jesus, what’s the most important commandment? And Jesus says, to love God and to ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “It doesn’t say love every neighbor except,” she went on to say.
In his reply, Kirk said Accurso left out something else the Bible says. “She’s not totally wrong,” Kirk said. “The first part is Deuteronomy 6:3–5. The second part is Leviticus 19. So you love God, so you must love his law. How do you love somebody? You love them by telling them the truth, not by confirming or affirming their sin.”
He continued: “And it says, by the way, Ms. Rachel, might want to crack open that Bible of yours, in a lesser reference, part of the same part of scripture is in Leviticus 18, is that thou shall lay with another man shall be stoned to death, just saying. So, Ms. Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19, love your neighbor as yourself. The chapter before affirms God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”
After backlash from Kirk supporters, the author Stephen King, who had posted on X on Sept. 11 that Kirk had “advocated stoning gays to death,” retracted his claim and apologized. King said, “What [Kirk] actually demonstrated was how some people cherry-pick Biblical passages.”
Hate to butt in...
But were not a lot of the slurs against MLK generated by the FBI who were trying to discredit him at the time?
As for him laughing at a woman being raped, where did that info come from, it could be as flaky as some of the articles about what Charlie Kirk said.
Correct.
The misinformation and misrepresentation is horrendous.
Like JFK the press didn't go "there" back then..
Yes he did. He said that black women were lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".That is bigoted rhetoric and No body will change my mind on that.
He said he was worried when he saw ANY black pilot based on the actions of one black pilot. That's the essence of stereotyping , putting people with shared characteristics together ,in this case ethnicity and saying they are all the same..
He didn't mention whether or not pilots should be promoted based on their race so I don't know where you got that from. Doubting somebody's capabilities on their skin colour is madness..and actually saying it out loud. Good gracious.
Surely his rhetoric was promoting division and stirring up trouble? He was trying to make a name for himself using outdated prejudices, nothing new there, but this chap didn't know where to draw the line.
There's no actual proof he did that, but he was a serial womaniser.
Cenk debated Charlie often and he knew Charlie was a good man..
We have proof from law enforcement records. We don't video.
The discussion was about affirmative action..
Do you know what "context " means?
I think this clip may be the one Fluffy wanted to post earlier...scroll down it, there is a video
Fact Check: Charlie Kirk once said prominent Black women didn't have 'brain processing power' to be taken seriously
And he said that people who believe in affirmative action believe that black women were lacking the" brain processing power" to get "white" jobs on their own, that black women had to "steal white people's slots to get anyone to take them seriously".
Here's the transcript of exactly what he said. No mention of the B word. We could say exactly the same about David Lammy or that other moron, Diane Abbot. How on earth those two ever got a place in Uni beats me.
If we would have said three weeks ago that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative-action picks, we would have been called racist. But now they're coming out and they're saying it for us! They're coming out and they're saying, "I'm only here because of affirmative action."
Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.
Anyone who gets a job because of their race did so for reasons other than merit
The supporters of affirmative action believe that is fine.
Charlie and I dont..