'm sure not to0 long into the future despising your own species will be seen as a mental disorder and where did the arrogance of stewardship of the known universe come from?
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 3rd of May 2021 07:39:26 PM
Change the record, you boring twat.
John Doe said
May 3 9:21 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I bloody love you MD. You always see through the BS, you aim and fire without ever being nasty. The world needs more like you right now.
I don't know if we need too many more of me.. 😉
JD is scientifically oriented with his interests about nature and wildlife, but lets emotion override what is plainly a great deal of knowledge. While I don't think he's an eco-terrorist, he gives off that sort of vibe at times when he gets passionate. Except he's not a vegan, unless he's changed his ways recently.
If your dead, you're dead. Animals don't know why their being killed. It's up to us to have some sort of plan as to why certain animals can be killed, and others can't.
I am not an ecoterrorist (neither is Attenborough) and like him I just care about what little is left of the natural word.
No I am not a vegan and that does make me a bit of a hypocrite but on the other hand I think fox hunting is utterly repulsive and done by sadistic cowards.
For a good article on what the much maligned wolf is really like try reading this excellent article.
'm sure not to0 long into the future despising your own species will be seen as a mental disorder and where did the arrogance of stewardship of the known universe come from?
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 3rd of May 2021 07:39:26 PM
Change the record, you boring twat.
Maddog said
May 4 12:23 AM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I bloody love you MD. You always see through the BS, you aim and fire without ever being nasty. The world needs more like you right now.
I don't know if we need too many more of me.. 😉
JD is scientifically oriented with his interests about nature and wildlife, but lets emotion override what is plainly a great deal of knowledge. While I don't think he's an eco-terrorist, he gives off that sort of vibe at times when he gets passionate. Except he's not a vegan, unless he's changed his ways recently.
If your dead, you're dead. Animals don't know why their being killed. It's up to us to have some sort of plan as to why certain animals can be killed, and others can't.
I am not an ecoterrorist (neither is Attenborough) and like him I just care about what little is left of the natural word.
No I am not a vegan and that does make me a bit of a hypocrite but on the other hand I think fox hunting is utterly repulsive and done by sadistic cowards.
For a good article on what the much maligned wolf is really like try reading this excellent article.
See, I see a fox hunt as one set of canines chasing another canine and killing it. Same as they do in the wild. Then a bunch of folks dress funny and follow on horseback.
I'm not the least bit bothered by it, unless foxes are endangered.
I'm pretty familiar with wolves.
There is always going to be push back as their numbers swell. There's a damn good reason they haven't been reintroduced to the UK. Because there are people that actually live in rural areas, trying to make a living, feeding all the meat eaters in the city, reading about wolves on their computers.
Maddog said
May 4 12:30 AM, 2021
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I bloody love you MD. You always see through the BS, you aim and fire without ever being nasty. The world needs more like you right now.
I don't know if we need too many more of me.. 😉
JD is scientifically oriented with his interests about nature and wildlife, but lets emotion override what is plainly a great deal of knowledge. While I don't think he's an eco-terrorist, he gives off that sort of vibe at times when he gets passionate. Except he's not a vegan, unless he's changed his ways recently.
If your dead, you're dead. Animals don't know why their being killed. It's up to us to have some sort of plan as to why certain animals can be killed, and others can't.
Babies don't know why they're being killed. Does that mean we should emotionally detach from that? If we need to eat, then we have to kill. I get that. But why kill for the hell of it? That I don't get. A fox hunt or stag hunt is vile. The terror suffered by the chase is horrific. Same with bull fighting. Animals are sentient. Like us. So don't you think it's up to us to ensure that if we have to kill them it's done with as little stress as possible? Was it you said don't do a head shot until the animal is down? That's causing suffering, surely?
I prefer stressing them out as little as possible.
But the chase is part of nature. It's not really done here for anything anymore except feral hogs from a human hunting standpoint, but its the SOP for a wild predator.
And I never compare human life to animal life. I'll do that when we have pet humans that have been bred to look cute and we raise humans for consumption.
Syl said
May 4 12:31 AM, 2021
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
John Doe said
May 4 1:28 AM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
Maddog said
May 4 1:34 AM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
Syl said
May 4 1:41 AM, 2021
Dogs are specifically bred to hunt the foxes. It's barbaric no matter how much you try to defend it.
When fox hunting was banned in England many of the dogs were put down....they were surplus to requirements.
Maddog said
May 4 1:46 AM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Dogs are specifically bred to hunt the foxes. It's barbaric no matter how much you try to defend it.
When fox hunting was banned in England many of the dogs were put down....they were surplus to requirements.
Dogs are hunters. It's in their DNA. It's why they were domesticated. I'm not defending, nor condemning the practice. Again, it's just another day on planet earth when one canine chases another down and kills it.
Nature is barbaric, regardless of if you're on a horse watching it all go down.
Syl said
May 4 12:23 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Dogs are specifically bred to hunt the foxes. It's barbaric no matter how much you try to defend it.
When fox hunting was banned in England many of the dogs were put down....they were surplus to requirements.
Dogs are hunters. It's in their DNA. It's why they were domesticated. I'm not defending, nor condemning the practice. Again, it's just another day on planet earth when one canine chases another down and kills it.
Nature is barbaric, regardless of if you're on a horse watching it all go down.
It's not nature when you breed an animal specifically to train it to hunt certain other animals is it.
"Foxhunting is usually undertaken with a pack of scent hounds, and, in most cases, these are specially bred foxhounds. These dogs are trained to pursue the fox based on its scent. The two main types of foxhound are the English Foxhound and the American Foxhound."
Maddog said
May 4 5:02 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Dogs are specifically bred to hunt the foxes. It's barbaric no matter how much you try to defend it.
When fox hunting was banned in England many of the dogs were put down....they were surplus to requirements.
Dogs are hunters. It's in their DNA. It's why they were domesticated. I'm not defending, nor condemning the practice. Again, it's just another day on planet earth when one canine chases another down and kills it.
Nature is barbaric, regardless of if you're on a horse watching it all go down.
It's not nature when you breed an animal specifically to train it to hunt certain other animals is it.
"Foxhunting is usually undertaken with a pack of scent hounds, and, in most cases, these are specially bred foxhounds. These dogs are trained to pursue the fox based on its scent. The two main types of foxhound are the English Foxhound and the American Foxhound."
They are scent hounds. That trait is part of nature. Humans just bred animals that has a heightened sense in that regard.
And we bred Jack Russels to be bat shit crazy fearless and get a fox that went to ground.
Most of our dogs were bred for a purpose.
A dozen or so years ago I was sitting in the woods, hunting deer. I hear barking barking and then see a coyote running for its life with a Great Pyrenees hot on his tail. I don't think those dogs are common in the UK, because they are unnecessary. They are very common in Texas for folks that raise sheep or goats.
These dogs were bred to kill wolves. They will do the same to a skinny, Texas coyote.
Nature is all out of kilter at this point. Let's forget about me sitting there wanting to shoot a wild deer. Across the road were goats that mankind domesticated a few thousand years ago being guarded by specially bred dogs designed to kill. The coyote is running around unchallenged by its competitor, the wolf because we eradicated them in Texas. Normally the wolf would play the roll of Great Pyrenees, or the roll of Fox Hound in the UK. Of course if we never domesticated dogs or livestock, none of this may be happening.
But we live in an altered world and we and many of our creations/mutations of nature all have to coexist in some sort of balance.
So, I don't care if some folks like riding around watching domesticated canines do what wild canines do, unless they are hunting bald eagles or rhinos.
Syl said
May 4 6:09 PM, 2021
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
John Doe said
May 4 6:37 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
This 100% - the working class 'sport' of bear and badger baiting along with dogfighting belong to another age and were rightly banned, the only reason the sick and twisted 'tradition' of Fox Hunting was allowed for so long (and let's face it still is) is because it's an upper class pursuit by our 'Lords' and 'Masters'.
Like man of the people 'Dave'.
What a prick.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 06:38:07 PM
Maddog said
May 4 6:48 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
The idea isn't to watch something be torn apart. That's the culmination of watching various breeds of well trained dogs, and horses do what they are trained to do
Maddog said
May 4 6:52 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
Domesticated canines chasing a fox is banned
You should reintroduce wolves to watch wild canines chase down and rip apart domestic and other wild canines.
Maybe Attenborough can sit in a tree with some chimps and do a documentary about it. 😉
John Doe said
May 4 6:57 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
Domesticated canines chasing a fox is banned
You should reintroduce wolves to watch wild canines chase down and rip apart domestic and other wild canines.
Maybe Attenborough can sit in a tree with some chimps and do a documentary about it. 😉
The difference is that we are not wild animals anymore - we are supposed to be civilised (laughable as that still is in a lot of countries) and don't need to pursue sadistic 'sports' and breed dogs specifically for that purpose.
Once the foxhounds outlive their usefulness they are killed - given the choice I bet they would take a loving home than being clubbed to death any day of the week.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:04:32 PM
Maddog said
May 4 6:58 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
This 100% - the working class 'sport' of bear and badger baiting along with dogfighting belong to another age and were rightly banned, the only reason the sick and twisted 'tradition' of Fox Hunting was allowed for so long (and let's face it still is) is because it's an upper class pursuit by our 'Lords' and 'Masters'.
Like man of the people 'Dave'.
What a prick.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 06:38:07 PM
The difference is bear and badgers were captured animals.
If it's truly a hunt, the dogs located the fox, like GSP finds a quail.
Maddog said
May 4 7:02 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
Domesticated canines chasing a fox is banned
You should reintroduce wolves to watch wild canines chase down and rip apart domestic and other wild canines.
Maybe Attenborough can sit in a tree with some chimps and do a documentary about it. 😉
The difference is that we are not wild animals anymore - we are supposed to be civilised (laughable as that still is in a lot of countries) and don't need to pursue sadistic 'sports' and breed dogs specifically for that purpose.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:00:08 PM
Then stop eating meat you whiney hypocrite..
I'll tell you what. I'm every bit as civilized as you.
Stay home and watch animals on your screen. I'll be out interacting with them.
John Doe said
May 4 7:05 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
Domesticated canines chasing a fox is banned
You should reintroduce wolves to watch wild canines chase down and rip apart domestic and other wild canines.
Maybe Attenborough can sit in a tree with some chimps and do a documentary about it. 😉
The difference is that we are not wild animals anymore - we are supposed to be civilised (laughable as that still is in a lot of countries) and don't need to pursue sadistic 'sports' and breed dogs specifically for that purpose.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:00:08 PM
Then stop eating meat you whiney hypocrite..
I'll tell you what. I'm every bit as civilized as you.
Stay home and watch animals on your screen. I'll be out interacting with them.
Change the record, you boring twat.
I am not an ecoterrorist (neither is Attenborough) and like him I just care about what little is left of the natural word.
No I am not a vegan and that does make me a bit of a hypocrite but on the other hand I think fox hunting is utterly repulsive and done by sadistic cowards.
For a good article on what the much maligned wolf is really like try reading this excellent article.
https://phys.org/news/2021-04-wolf-dont-alpha-males-females.html
See, I see a fox hunt as one set of canines chasing another canine and killing it. Same as they do in the wild. Then a bunch of folks dress funny and follow on horseback.
I'm not the least bit bothered by it, unless foxes are endangered.
I'm pretty familiar with wolves.
There is always going to be push back as their numbers swell. There's a damn good reason they haven't been reintroduced to the UK. Because there are people that actually live in rural areas, trying to make a living, feeding all the meat eaters in the city, reading about wolves on their computers.
I prefer stressing them out as little as possible.
But the chase is part of nature. It's not really done here for anything anymore except feral hogs from a human hunting standpoint, but its the SOP for a wild predator.
And I never compare human life to animal life. I'll do that when we have pet humans that have been bred to look cute and we raise humans for consumption.
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
When fox hunting was banned in England many of the dogs were put down....they were surplus to requirements.
Dogs are hunters. It's in their DNA. It's why they were domesticated. I'm not defending, nor condemning the practice. Again, it's just another day on planet earth when one canine chases another down and kills it.
Nature is barbaric, regardless of if you're on a horse watching it all go down.
It's not nature when you breed an animal specifically to train it to hunt certain other animals is it.
"Fox hunting is usually undertaken with a pack of scent hounds, and, in most cases, these are specially bred foxhounds. These dogs are trained to pursue the fox based on its scent. The two main types of foxhound are the English Foxhound and the American Foxhound."
They are scent hounds. That trait is part of nature. Humans just bred animals that has a heightened sense in that regard.
And we bred Jack Russels to be bat shit crazy fearless and get a fox that went to ground.
Most of our dogs were bred for a purpose.
A dozen or so years ago I was sitting in the woods, hunting deer. I hear barking barking and then see a coyote running for its life with a Great Pyrenees hot on his tail. I don't think those dogs are common in the UK, because they are unnecessary. They are very common in Texas for folks that raise sheep or goats.
These dogs were bred to kill wolves. They will do the same to a skinny, Texas coyote.
Nature is all out of kilter at this point. Let's forget about me sitting there wanting to shoot a wild deer. Across the road were goats that mankind domesticated a few thousand years ago being guarded by specially bred dogs designed to kill. The coyote is running around unchallenged by its competitor, the wolf because we eradicated them in Texas. Normally the wolf would play the roll of Great Pyrenees, or the roll of Fox Hound in the UK. Of course if we never domesticated dogs or livestock, none of this may be happening.
But we live in an altered world and we and many of our creations/mutations of nature all have to coexist in some sort of balance.
So, I don't care if some folks like riding around watching domesticated canines do what wild canines do, unless they are hunting bald eagles or rhinos.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
This 100% - the working class 'sport' of bear and badger baiting along with dogfighting belong to another age and were rightly banned, the only reason the sick and twisted 'tradition' of Fox Hunting was allowed for so long (and let's face it still is) is because it's an upper class pursuit by our 'Lords' and 'Masters'.
Like man of the people 'Dave'.
What a prick.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 06:38:07 PM
The idea isn't to watch something be torn apart. That's the culmination of watching various breeds of well trained dogs, and horses do what they are trained to do
Domesticated canines chasing a fox is banned
You should reintroduce wolves to watch wild canines chase down and rip apart domestic and other wild canines.
Maybe Attenborough can sit in a tree with some chimps and do a documentary about it. 😉
The difference is that we are not wild animals anymore - we are supposed to be civilised (laughable as that still is in a lot of countries) and don't need to pursue sadistic 'sports' and breed dogs specifically for that purpose.
Once the foxhounds outlive their usefulness they are killed - given the choice I bet they would take a loving home than being clubbed to death any day of the week.
Six years old but still relevant.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-healthy-foxhounds---including-6061265
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:04:32 PM
The difference is bear and badgers were captured animals.
If it's truly a hunt, the dogs located the fox, like GSP finds a quail.
Then stop eating meat you whiney hypocrite..
I'll tell you what. I'm every bit as civilized as you.
Stay home and watch animals on your screen. I'll be out interacting with them.
Whiney hypocrite?
Really?
Oh and I edited my post try reading it.