I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
Domesticated canines chasing a fox is banned
You should reintroduce wolves to watch wild canines chase down and rip apart domestic and other wild canines.
Maybe Attenborough can sit in a tree with some chimps and do a documentary about it. 😉
The difference is that we are not wild animals anymore - we are supposed to be civilised (laughable as that still is in a lot of countries) and don't need to pursue sadistic 'sports' and breed dogs specifically for that purpose.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:00:08 PM
Then stop eating meat you whiney hypocrite..
I'll tell you what. I'm every bit as civilized as you.
Stay home and watch animals on your screen. I'll be out interacting with them.
Oh and I was not referring to you FFS but fox hunters - so don't take it so personally.
Once a hound is too old it is clubbed, shot or gassed to death - fox hunters could not give a shit about them.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:13:11 PM
Syl said
May 4 7:18 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
Domesticated canines chasing a fox is banned
You should reintroduce wolves to watch wild canines chase down and rip apart domestic and other wild canines.
Maybe Attenborough can sit in a tree with some chimps and do a documentary about it. 😉
The difference is that we are not wild animals anymore - we are supposed to be civilised (laughable as that still is in a lot of countries) and don't need to pursue sadistic 'sports' and breed dogs specifically for that purpose.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:00:08 PM
Then stop eating meat you whiney hypocrite..
I'll tell you what. I'm every bit as civilized as you.
Stay home and watch animals on your screen. I'll be out interacting with them.
Interacting, as in killing?
Maddog said
May 4 8:46 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
Domesticated canines chasing a fox is banned
You should reintroduce wolves to watch wild canines chase down and rip apart domestic and other wild canines.
Maybe Attenborough can sit in a tree with some chimps and do a documentary about it. 😉
The difference is that we are not wild animals anymore - we are supposed to be civilised (laughable as that still is in a lot of countries) and don't need to pursue sadistic 'sports' and breed dogs specifically for that purpose.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:00:08 PM
Then stop eating meat you whiney hypocrite..
I'll tell you what. I'm every bit as civilized as you.
Stay home and watch animals on your screen. I'll be out interacting with them.
Interacting, as in killing?
Sometimes.
Maddog said
May 4 8:49 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
Domesticated canines chasing a fox is banned
You should reintroduce wolves to watch wild canines chase down and rip apart domestic and other wild canines.
Maybe Attenborough can sit in a tree with some chimps and do a documentary about it. 😉
The difference is that we are not wild animals anymore - we are supposed to be civilised (laughable as that still is in a lot of countries) and don't need to pursue sadistic 'sports' and breed dogs specifically for that purpose.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:00:08 PM
Then stop eating meat you whiney hypocrite..
I'll tell you what. I'm every bit as civilized as you.
Stay home and watch animals on your screen. I'll be out interacting with them.
Oh and I was not referring to you FFS but fox hunters - so don't take it so personally.
Once a hound is too old it is clubbed, shot or gassed to death - fox hunters could not give a shit about them.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:13:11 PM
Perhaps some do. That's totally different. Plenty of animal "lovers" drop their dogs off at shelters, where they are killed too.
But I would imagine that is rare.
Same as putting down old horses or selling them to France for meat.
Maddog said
May 4 9:02 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It's banned here thankfully.
I know the pompous twats sat astride their mounts can't get the same perverted thrill when there is no fox to be chased for hours and no cubs to be flushed out and torn to death for their pleasure, what a pity.
Domesticated canines chasing a fox is banned
You should reintroduce wolves to watch wild canines chase down and rip apart domestic and other wild canines.
Maybe Attenborough can sit in a tree with some chimps and do a documentary about it. 😉
The difference is that we are not wild animals anymore - we are supposed to be civilised (laughable as that still is in a lot of countries) and don't need to pursue sadistic 'sports' and breed dogs specifically for that purpose.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:00:08 PM
Then stop eating meat you whiney hypocrite..
I'll tell you what. I'm every bit as civilized as you.
Stay home and watch animals on your screen. I'll be out interacting with them.
Interacting, as in killing?
Or watching the killing.
Digger said
May 4 9:57 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Dogs are specifically bred to hunt the foxes. It's barbaric no matter how much you try to defend it.
When fox hunting was banned in England many of the dogs were put down....they were surplus to requirements.
Dogs are hunters. It's in their DNA. It's why they were domesticated. I'm not defending, nor condemning the practice. Again, it's just another day on planet earth when one canine chases another down and kills it.
Nature is barbaric, regardless of if you're on a horse watching it all go down.
Just because nature is barbaric doesn't mean we should be.
Digger said
May 4 10:13 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
A pack of wild dogs hunt to eat or to preserve territory or species. A fox hunt is initiated by humans for the thrill of the kill. There's no comparison.
Anonymous said
May 4 11:49 PM, 2021
Digger wrote:
wrote:
'm sure not to0 long into the future despising your own species will be seen as a mental disorder and where did the arrogance of stewardship of the known universe come from?
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 3rd of May 2021 07:39:26 PM
Change the record, you boring twat.
Before you became a forum owner you were interesting and fun.
Now you're just a egotistical big mouth you can't touch me.
Grow the fuck up.
Digger said
May 5 9:54 AM, 2021
Anonymousrollup wrote:
Digger wrote:
wrote:
'm sure not to0 long into the future despising your own species will be seen as a mental disorder and where did the arrogance of stewardship of the known universe come from?
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 3rd of May 2021 07:39:26 PM
Change the record, you boring twat.
Before you became a forum owner you were interesting and fun.
Now you're just a egotistical big mouth you can't touch me.
Grow the fuck up.
Says the most miserable man on forums.
Syl said
May 5 12:40 PM, 2021
Digger wrote:
Anonymousrollup wrote:
Digger wrote:
wrote:
'm sure not to0 long into the future despising your own species will be seen as a mental disorder and where did the arrogance of stewardship of the known universe come from?
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 3rd of May 2021 07:39:26 PM
Change the record, you boring twat.
Before you became a forum owner you were interesting and fun.
Now you're just a egotistical big mouth you can't touch me.
Grow the fuck up.
Says the most miserable man on forums.
I see it's your turn for him to have a go at now.
Maddog said
May 5 3:10 PM, 2021
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
A pack of wild dogs hunt to eat or to preserve territory or species. A fox hunt is initiated by humans for the thrill of the kill. There's no comparison.
Or the thrill of watching dogs work.
That's the thing that non hunters don't understand. If it were about the thrill of the kill, people could simply capture a cat, throw it in a confined space with a pit bull and watch the cat get killed.
Now I'm not saying there aren't some messed up folks that get off on that, but that's nothing like a well trained group of dogs matching wits with a fox.
It's not hunting, if the animal doesn't have a damn good chance of getting away.
Maddog said
May 5 3:11 PM, 2021
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Dogs are specifically bred to hunt the foxes. It's barbaric no matter how much you try to defend it.
When fox hunting was banned in England many of the dogs were put down....they were surplus to requirements.
Dogs are hunters. It's in their DNA. It's why they were domesticated. I'm not defending, nor condemning the practice. Again, it's just another day on planet earth when one canine chases another down and kills it.
Nature is barbaric, regardless of if you're on a horse watching it all go down.
Just because nature is barbaric doesn't mean we should be.
If nature is barbaric, and we want to protect and preserve nature, we may have to get in nature's level, for the sake of nature..
Digger said
May 5 3:45 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
A pack of wild dogs hunt to eat or to preserve territory or species. A fox hunt is initiated by humans for the thrill of the kill. There's no comparison.
Or the thrill of watching dogs work.
That's the thing that non hunters don't understand. If it were about the thrill of the kill, people could simply capture a cat, throw it in a confined space with a pit bull and watch the cat get killed.
Now I'm not saying there aren't some messed up folks that get off on that, but that's nothing like a well trained group of dogs matching wits with a fox.
It's not hunting, if the animal doesn't have a damn good chance of getting away.
A pack of 30 or more dogs against one fox? Foxes live on average around 2 to 5 years. Hardly any need to cull them. Unless of course you want to gallop around the countryside in your red jacket on your big boned hunter in order to feel powerful and apex. It's been banned for a reason.
Wildlife contraception is used in zoos and aquariums to manage breeding programmes and prevent the existence of animals who cannot be adequately cared for. Contraception permits control of wildlife populations in national parks and other areas that do not permit hunting, trapping, or poisoning. Surely as a more civilised species we should look more to this, rather than make them suffer?
Maddog said
May 5 4:28 PM, 2021
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
A pack of wild dogs hunt to eat or to preserve territory or species. A fox hunt is initiated by humans for the thrill of the kill. There's no comparison.
Or the thrill of watching dogs work.
That's the thing that non hunters don't understand. If it were about the thrill of the kill, people could simply capture a cat, throw it in a confined space with a pit bull and watch the cat get killed.
Now I'm not saying there aren't some messed up folks that get off on that, but that's nothing like a well trained group of dogs matching wits with a fox.
It's not hunting, if the animal doesn't have a damn good chance of getting away.
A pack of 30 or more dogs against one fox? Foxes live on average around 2 to 5 years. Hardly any need to cull them. Unless of course you want to gallop around the countryside in your red jacket on your big boned hunter in order to feel powerful and apex. It's been banned for a reason.
Wildlife contraception is used in zoos and aquariums to manage breeding programmes and prevent the existence of animals who cannot be adequately cared for. Contraception permits control of wildlife populations in national parks and other areas that do not permit hunting, trapping, or poisoning. Surely as a more civilised species we should look more to this, rather than make them suffer?
The idea of 30 dogs is a bit silly. Rabbit hunters only use one or two beagles. Of course rabbit hunters shoot the rabbits, as opposed to letting dogs tear them up. But that's the difference between being classified as vermin and game. One is considered a food source and another a pest. I can trap a rat, but not a quail.
Birth control doesn't really work in the wild.
Proper management does. That's why I live in an area teaming with wildlife. We act like nature sometimes.
John Doe said
May 5 5:19 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
A pack of wild dogs hunt to eat or to preserve territory or species. A fox hunt is initiated by humans for the thrill of the kill. There's no comparison.
Or the thrill of watching dogs work.
That's the thing that non hunters don't understand. If it were about the thrill of the kill, people could simply capture a cat, throw it in a confined space with a pit bull and watch the cat get killed.
Now I'm not saying there aren't some messed up folks that get off on that, but that's nothing like a well trained group of dogs matching wits with a fox.
It's not hunting, if the animal doesn't have a damn good chance of getting away.
A pack of 30 or more dogs against one fox? Foxes live on average around 2 to 5 years. Hardly any need to cull them. Unless of course you want to gallop around the countryside in your red jacket on your big boned hunter in order to feel powerful and apex. It's been banned for a reason.
Wildlife contraception is used in zoos and aquariums to manage breeding programmes and prevent the existence of animals who cannot be adequately cared for. Contraception permits control of wildlife populations in national parks and other areas that do not permit hunting, trapping, or poisoning. Surely as a more civilised species we should look more to this, rather than make them suffer?
The idea of 30 dogs is a bit silly. Rabbit hunters only use one or two beagles. Of course rabbit hunters shoot the rabbits, as opposed to letting dogs tear them up. But that's the difference between being classified as vermin and game. One is considered a food source and another a pest. I can trap a rat, but not a quail.
Birth control doesn't really work in the wild.
Proper management does. That's why I live in an area teaming with wildlife. We act like nature sometimes.
What is your position on so called rattlesnake round ups MD?
Personally I believe they are primitive, barbaric and belong in the middle ages.
In the 1990's 125,000 snakes were slaughtered every year for such 'entertainment' - there are far less captured now, I wonder why...
I just can't get into the mindset of anyone who would actually travel to enjoy such a sadistic spectacle which gleefully encourages young children to decapitate the animals and paint their faces with blood.
I would post links but the pictures make me sick.
The fact it still goes on in the 21st century beggars belief.
-- Edited by John Doe on Wednesday 5th of May 2021 05:20:01 PM
Digger said
May 5 5:43 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
A pack of wild dogs hunt to eat or to preserve territory or species. A fox hunt is initiated by humans for the thrill of the kill. There's no comparison.
Or the thrill of watching dogs work.
That's the thing that non hunters don't understand. If it were about the thrill of the kill, people could simply capture a cat, throw it in a confined space with a pit bull and watch the cat get killed.
Now I'm not saying there aren't some messed up folks that get off on that, but that's nothing like a well trained group of dogs matching wits with a fox.
It's not hunting, if the animal doesn't have a damn good chance of getting away.
A pack of 30 or more dogs against one fox? Foxes live on average around 2 to 5 years. Hardly any need to cull them. Unless of course you want to gallop around the countryside in your red jacket on your big boned hunter in order to feel powerful and apex. It's been banned for a reason.
Wildlife contraception is used in zoos and aquariums to manage breeding programmes and prevent the existence of animals who cannot be adequately cared for. Contraception permits control of wildlife populations in national parks and other areas that do not permit hunting, trapping, or poisoning. Surely as a more civilised species we should look more to this, rather than make them suffer?
The idea of 30 dogs is a bit silly. Rabbit hunters only use one or two beagles. Of course rabbit hunters shoot the rabbits, as opposed to letting dogs tear them up. But that's the difference between being classified as vermin and game. One is considered a food source and another a pest. I can trap a rat, but not a quail.
Birth control doesn't really work in the wild.
Proper management does. That's why I live in an area teaming with wildlife. We act like nature sometimes.
There can be 58 hounds in a pack.
Digger said
May 5 5:46 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
A pack of wild dogs hunt to eat or to preserve territory or species. A fox hunt is initiated by humans for the thrill of the kill. There's no comparison.
Or the thrill of watching dogs work.
That's the thing that non hunters don't understand. If it were about the thrill of the kill, people could simply capture a cat, throw it in a confined space with a pit bull and watch the cat get killed.
Now I'm not saying there aren't some messed up folks that get off on that, but that's nothing like a well trained group of dogs matching wits with a fox.
It's not hunting, if the animal doesn't have a damn good chance of getting away.
A pack of 30 or more dogs against one fox? Foxes live on average around 2 to 5 years. Hardly any need to cull them. Unless of course you want to gallop around the countryside in your red jacket on your big boned hunter in order to feel powerful and apex. It's been banned for a reason.
Wildlife contraception is used in zoos and aquariums to manage breeding programmes and prevent the existence of animals who cannot be adequately cared for. Contraception permits control of wildlife populations in national parks and other areas that do not permit hunting, trapping, or poisoning. Surely as a more civilised species we should look more to this, rather than make them suffer?
The idea of 30 dogs is a bit silly. Rabbit hunters only use one or two beagles. Of course rabbit hunters shoot the rabbits, as opposed to letting dogs tear them up. But that's the difference between being classified as vermin and game. One is considered a food source and another a pest. I can trap a rat, but not a quail.
Birth control doesn't really work in the wild.
Proper management does. That's why I live in an area teaming with wildlife. We act like nature sometimes.
There are already successful measures to shoot darts into animals with a contraceptive in them. What's the difference between shooting it dead and shooting a contraceptive dart into it?
John Doe said
May 5 6:30 PM, 2021
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
A pack of wild dogs hunt to eat or to preserve territory or species. A fox hunt is initiated by humans for the thrill of the kill. There's no comparison.
Or the thrill of watching dogs work.
That's the thing that non hunters don't understand. If it were about the thrill of the kill, people could simply capture a cat, throw it in a confined space with a pit bull and watch the cat get killed.
Now I'm not saying there aren't some messed up folks that get off on that, but that's nothing like a well trained group of dogs matching wits with a fox.
It's not hunting, if the animal doesn't have a damn good chance of getting away.
A pack of 30 or more dogs against one fox? Foxes live on average around 2 to 5 years. Hardly any need to cull them. Unless of course you want to gallop around the countryside in your red jacket on your big boned hunter in order to feel powerful and apex. It's been banned for a reason.
Wildlife contraception is used in zoos and aquariums to manage breeding programmes and prevent the existence of animals who cannot be adequately cared for. Contraception permits control of wildlife populations in national parks and other areas that do not permit hunting, trapping, or poisoning. Surely as a more civilised species we should look more to this, rather than make them suffer?
The idea of 30 dogs is a bit silly. Rabbit hunters only use one or two beagles. Of course rabbit hunters shoot the rabbits, as opposed to letting dogs tear them up. But that's the difference between being classified as vermin and game. One is considered a food source and another a pest. I can trap a rat, but not a quail.
Birth control doesn't really work in the wild.
Proper management does. That's why I live in an area teaming with wildlife. We act like nature sometimes.
There are already successful measures to shoot darts into animals with a contraceptive in them. What's the difference between shooting it dead and shooting a contraceptive dart into it?
The thrill of the kill.
-- Edited by John Doe on Wednesday 5th of May 2021 06:30:30 PM
Maddog said
May 5 8:26 PM, 2021
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
A pack of wild dogs hunt to eat or to preserve territory or species. A fox hunt is initiated by humans for the thrill of the kill. There's no comparison.
Or the thrill of watching dogs work.
That's the thing that non hunters don't understand. If it were about the thrill of the kill, people could simply capture a cat, throw it in a confined space with a pit bull and watch the cat get killed.
Now I'm not saying there aren't some messed up folks that get off on that, but that's nothing like a well trained group of dogs matching wits with a fox.
It's not hunting, if the animal doesn't have a damn good chance of getting away.
A pack of 30 or more dogs against one fox? Foxes live on average around 2 to 5 years. Hardly any need to cull them. Unless of course you want to gallop around the countryside in your red jacket on your big boned hunter in order to feel powerful and apex. It's been banned for a reason.
Wildlife contraception is used in zoos and aquariums to manage breeding programmes and prevent the existence of animals who cannot be adequately cared for. Contraception permits control of wildlife populations in national parks and other areas that do not permit hunting, trapping, or poisoning. Surely as a more civilised species we should look more to this, rather than make them suffer?
The idea of 30 dogs is a bit silly. Rabbit hunters only use one or two beagles. Of course rabbit hunters shoot the rabbits, as opposed to letting dogs tear them up. But that's the difference between being classified as vermin and game. One is considered a food source and another a pest. I can trap a rat, but not a quail.
Birth control doesn't really work in the wild.
Proper management does. That's why I live in an area teaming with wildlife. We act like nature sometimes.
There are already successful measures to shoot darts into animals with a contraceptive in them. What's the difference between shooting it dead and shooting a contraceptive dart into it?
There are measures.
Sort of like our TNR measures for feral cats.
They don't work.
We've tried in wild horses too.
Doesn't work.
Maddog said
May 5 8:27 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Oscar Wilde had it right about fox hunting. ...The unspeakable in pursuit of the uneatable
But the reason it works is that nature has programmed canines to hunt down and kill the competition. It's why ancient man domesticated wolves or other canines. They found the animals natural instinct to be useful.
A coyote will chase down a fox and kill it, simply for being a competitor. A wolf will do the same to a coyote. Lions do it to cheetahs.
A fox hunt is just a small tweak (domesticated canines) on what nature does everyday, while no one is really paying attention.
A pack of wild dogs hunt to eat or to preserve territory or species. A fox hunt is initiated by humans for the thrill of the kill. There's no comparison.
Or the thrill of watching dogs work.
That's the thing that non hunters don't understand. If it were about the thrill of the kill, people could simply capture a cat, throw it in a confined space with a pit bull and watch the cat get killed.
Now I'm not saying there aren't some messed up folks that get off on that, but that's nothing like a well trained group of dogs matching wits with a fox.
It's not hunting, if the animal doesn't have a damn good chance of getting away.
A pack of 30 or more dogs against one fox? Foxes live on average around 2 to 5 years. Hardly any need to cull them. Unless of course you want to gallop around the countryside in your red jacket on your big boned hunter in order to feel powerful and apex. It's been banned for a reason.
Wildlife contraception is used in zoos and aquariums to manage breeding programmes and prevent the existence of animals who cannot be adequately cared for. Contraception permits control of wildlife populations in national parks and other areas that do not permit hunting, trapping, or poisoning. Surely as a more civilised species we should look more to this, rather than make them suffer?
The idea of 30 dogs is a bit silly. Rabbit hunters only use one or two beagles. Of course rabbit hunters shoot the rabbits, as opposed to letting dogs tear them up. But that's the difference between being classified as vermin and game. One is considered a food source and another a pest. I can trap a rat, but not a quail.
Birth control doesn't really work in the wild.
Proper management does. That's why I live in an area teaming with wildlife. We act like nature sometimes.
There are already successful measures to shoot darts into animals with a contraceptive in them. What's the difference between shooting it dead and shooting a contraceptive dart into it?
The thrill of the kill.
-- Edited by John Doe on Wednesday 5th of May 2021 06:30:30 PM
Are you saying government trappers enjoy the thrill, or the biologists that determine the number of animals that need to be killed do?
Oh and I was not referring to you FFS but fox hunters - so don't take it so personally.
Once a hound is too old it is clubbed, shot or gassed to death - fox hunters could not give a shit about them.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 07:13:11 PM
Interacting, as in killing?
Sometimes.
Perhaps some do. That's totally different. Plenty of animal "lovers" drop their dogs off at shelters, where they are killed too.
But I would imagine that is rare.
Same as putting down old horses or selling them to France for meat.
Or watching the killing.
Just because nature is barbaric doesn't mean we should be.
A pack of wild dogs hunt to eat or to preserve territory or species. A fox hunt is initiated by humans for the thrill of the kill. There's no comparison.
Before you became a forum owner you were interesting and fun.
Now you're just a egotistical big mouth you can't touch me.
Grow the fuck up.
Says the most miserable man on forums.
I see it's your turn for him to have a go at now.
Or the thrill of watching dogs work.
That's the thing that non hunters don't understand. If it were about the thrill of the kill, people could simply capture a cat, throw it in a confined space with a pit bull and watch the cat get killed.
Now I'm not saying there aren't some messed up folks that get off on that, but that's nothing like a well trained group of dogs matching wits with a fox.
It's not hunting, if the animal doesn't have a damn good chance of getting away.
If nature is barbaric, and we want to protect and preserve nature, we may have to get in nature's level, for the sake of nature..
A pack of 30 or more dogs against one fox? Foxes live on average around 2 to 5 years. Hardly any need to cull them. Unless of course you want to gallop around the countryside in your red jacket on your big boned hunter in order to feel powerful and apex. It's been banned for a reason.
Wildlife contraception is used in zoos and aquariums to manage breeding programmes and prevent the existence of animals who cannot be adequately cared for. Contraception permits control of wildlife populations in national parks and other areas that do not permit hunting, trapping, or poisoning. Surely as a more civilised species we should look more to this, rather than make them suffer?
The idea of 30 dogs is a bit silly. Rabbit hunters only use one or two beagles. Of course rabbit hunters shoot the rabbits, as opposed to letting dogs tear them up. But that's the difference between being classified as vermin and game. One is considered a food source and another a pest. I can trap a rat, but not a quail.
Birth control doesn't really work in the wild.
Proper management does. That's why I live in an area teaming with wildlife. We act like nature sometimes.
What is your position on so called rattlesnake round ups MD?
Personally I believe they are primitive, barbaric and belong in the middle ages.
In the 1990's 125,000 snakes were slaughtered every year for such 'entertainment' - there are far less captured now, I wonder why...
I just can't get into the mindset of anyone who would actually travel to enjoy such a sadistic spectacle which gleefully encourages young children to decapitate the animals and paint their faces with blood.
I would post links but the pictures make me sick.
The fact it still goes on in the 21st century beggars belief.
-- Edited by John Doe on Wednesday 5th of May 2021 05:20:01 PM
There can be 58 hounds in a pack.
There are already successful measures to shoot darts into animals with a contraceptive in them. What's the difference between shooting it dead and shooting a contraceptive dart into it?
The thrill of the kill.
-- Edited by John Doe on Wednesday 5th of May 2021 06:30:30 PM
There are measures.
Sort of like our TNR measures for feral cats.
They don't work.
We've tried in wild horses too.
Doesn't work.
Are you saying government trappers enjoy the thrill, or the biologists that determine the number of animals that need to be killed do?