By the way Andy went for Labour leader once and lost to Ed.
Yes I know. He is very forthright about his past failures.
Since he was made Mayor here he has really stepped up to the plate, he does a lot for a lot of people, he doesn't mind a fight if he believes in something, and he admits when he gets things wrong....which is pretty refreshing for a politician.
Like any strong minded person he has people who love him and people who dont'. Personally, even though our council taxes have risen considerably since he became Mayor thanks to a couple of his schemes....I like him a lot.
Well putting to one side whatever our personal views are on the negotiation thing.
I do think all of our local leaders across the Country need to concentrate hard on doing their best to get their community and area to stringently as possible follow guidelines and rules. Andy seemingly has a good rapport with quite a few. Although like Boris and other ministers and many MPs generally, it could be argued many people haven't been listening to him.
Once enough people just do what they want, sod guidelines and rules, as we know the shit soon starts to hit the fan big time.
-- Edited by JP on Thursday 22nd of October 2020 12:12:08 AM
Syl said
Oct 22 11:49 AM, 2020
Andy Burnham has a regular slot in the Hot Seat on local radio, he answers direct questions from listeners live on air, he always gets people strongly against him as much for him, today will be very interesting.
Anonymous said
Oct 24 7:04 AM, 2020
What the fuck is going on in Wales. All roads in and out shut and only essential items can be bought when shopping.
All for a virus that has over a 98% survival rate.
John Doe said
Oct 24 6:20 PM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
What the fuck is going on in Wales. All roads in and out shut and only essential items can be bought when shopping.
All for a virus that has over a 98% survival rate.
Tell that to those whose relatives have died.
Maddog said
Oct 24 6:26 PM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
What the fuck is going on in Wales. All roads in and out shut and only essential items can be bought when shopping.
All for a virus that has over a 98% survival rate.
Show them your papers.
Anonymous said
Oct 24 7:01 PM, 2020
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
What the fuck is going on in Wales. All roads in and out shut and only essential items can be bought when shopping.
All for a virus that has over a 98% survival rate.
Tell that to those whose relatives have died.
Say that to the relatives of those who have died of suicide, cancers and many other things because of lockdown. Why do you only care about those who died from Covid19 and don't say you do care because every time they are brought up you say "but COVID"
JP said
Oct 25 12:27 AM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
What the fuck is going on in Wales. All roads in and out shut and only essential items can be bought when shopping.
All for a virus that has over a 98% survival rate.
Tell that to those whose relatives have died.
Say that to the relatives of those who have died of suicide, cancers and many other things because of lockdown. Why do you only care about those who died from Covid19 and don't say you do care because every time they are brought up you say "but COVID"
The ONS recently said 26,000 more people than usual died in private homes between March and September only 3% of those were directly covid19 related.
So there is a balance to be struck regarding lockdowns.. And how you go about them. Clearly it is a very difficult and a very fine balance for anyone to achieve well. Finding ways of getting low covid19 deaths and low knock-on effect deaths caused by having lockdowns isn't easy to say the least.
-- Edited by JP on Sunday 25th of October 2020 12:28:38 AM
Syl said
Oct 25 1:29 AM, 2020
I feel so sad for people in care and residential homes who haven't been allowed visits from their loved ones for months.
Many have died without seeing their partners or children, and the ones left behind, deprived of being able to comfort their spouse or parents will never get over that.
I dont understand why, as happens with care home staff, staff, precautions couldn't have been carried out to enable relatives to be with their loved ones when they are old, ill and confused.
Maddog said
Oct 25 1:46 AM, 2020
Syl wrote:
I feel so sad for people in care and residential homes who haven't been allowed visits from their loved ones for months. Many have died without seeing their partners or children, and the ones left behind, deprived of being able to comfort their spouse or parents will never get over that.
I dont understand why, as happens with care home staff, staff, precautions couldn't have been carried out to enable relatives to be with their loved ones when they are old, ill and confused.
My mother has been in the hospital twice during the past 3 weeks. I can see her there, but I haven't been able to see jer where she lives. I was about to, then a resident caught the Rona and they locked it down. As of today, there have been no other cases.
Maddog said
Oct 25 1:48 AM, 2020
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
What the fuck is going on in Wales. All roads in and out shut and only essential items can be bought when shopping.
All for a virus that has over a 98% survival rate.
Tell that to those whose relatives have died.
Say that to the relatives of those who have died of suicide, cancers and many other things because of lockdown. Why do you only care about those who died from Covid19 and don't say you do care because every time they are brought up you say "but COVID"
The ONS recently said 26,000 more people than usual died in private homes between March and September only 3% of those were directly covid19 related.
So there is a balance to be struck regarding lockdowns.. And how you go about them. Clearly it is a very difficult and a very fine balance for anyone to achieve well. Finding ways of getting low covid19 deaths and low knock-on effect deaths caused by having lockdowns isn't easy to say the least.
-- Edited by JP on Sunday 25th of October 2020 12:28:38 AM
Suicides are also on the rise, even with the young.
Nothing happens in a vacuum.
JP said
Oct 25 1:59 AM, 2020
Syl wrote:
I feel so sad for people in care and residential homes who haven't been allowed visits from their loved ones for months. Many have died without seeing their partners or children, and the ones left behind, deprived of being able to comfort their spouse or parents will never get over that.
I dont understand why, as happens with care home staff, staff, precautions couldn't have been carried out to enable relatives to be with their loved ones when they are old, ill and confused.
I think care home and residential home visits are basically decided on locally now. It's up to the home in question and the people in charge of health in a given area to decide what happens in their area. My Nan is in a assisted living setting. Her Children only her Children have been visiting outside, weather permitting for at least 6 weeks now maybe longer. Masks on everyone of course. My Nan wears a shield though. Due to her age and things, she can't really wear a mask.
JP said
Oct 25 1:00 AM, 2020
Only her Children are allowed*
JP said
Oct 25 1:12 AM, 2020
Sorry I should add you have to obviously be distanced as well.
And if the weather is bad. Too bad for the resident to go outside in. You are allowed on site to talk to your loved one through a window. Granted not great but better than nothing.
The people in charge have specifically mentioned they worry about the mental state of their residents. They try to find the balance between being as safe as possible but also trying to make sure their residents don't become too down and lonely, stressed. Which in-turn especially in the old and very old age can lead to any physical issues they may already have becoming worse. Or even bring on such an issue.
John Doe said
Oct 25 2:36 AM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
What the fuck is going on in Wales. All roads in and out shut and only essential items can be bought when shopping.
All for a virus that has over a 98% survival rate.
Tell that to those whose relatives have died.
Say that to the relatives of those who have died of suicide, cancers and many other things because of lockdown. Why do you only care about those who died from Covid19 and don't say you do care because every time they are brought up you say "but COVID"
When have I ever mentioned that I don't care about the devastating effects on people of the mental toll, the emotional pain of loved ones, economic stress and lack of operations due to COVID?
Never.
You are putting words into my mouth as usual to have a cheap anonymous pop and it's getting boring.
Are you an anti-vaxxer or think it's a huge hoax as you don't seem to think the virus is a big deal as it's only a '98% survival rate' one in 50 people dying is a big deal to me.
Do I hear the echoes of Mr Icke and his reptilian chums?
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 25th of October 2020 03:23:53 AM
Anonymous said
Oct 25 3:44 AM, 2020
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
What the fuck is going on in Wales. All roads in and out shut and only essential items can be bought when shopping.
All for a virus that has over a 98% survival rate.
Tell that to those whose relatives have died.
Say that to the relatives of those who have died of suicide, cancers and many other things because of lockdown. Why do you only care about those who died from Covid19 and don't say you do care because every time they are brought up you say "but COVID"
When have I ever mentioned that I don't care about the devastating effects on people of the mental toll, the emotional pain of loved ones, economic stress and lack of operations due to COVID?
Never.
You are putting words into my mouth as usual to have a cheap anonymous pop and it's getting boring.
Are you an anti-vaxxer or think it's a huge hoax as you don't seem to think the virus is a big deal as it's only a '98% survival rate' one in 50 people dying is a big deal to me.
Do I hear the echoes of Mr Icke and his reptilian chums?
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 25th of October 2020 03:23:53 AM
WTF? what is even remotely conspiracy about that post? You really do get stuck in a rut of thinking and have a few goto responses.
Hmm can I chuck the CT angle in here?
Syl said
Oct 25 11:31 AM, 2020
In case we forget, because this disease is looked at so often in facts and figures, every number has a story.
A heartbreaking call came through a couple of days ago on local radio. A couple had been married 48 years, never apart, but sadly in the last three months the wife needed full time care and had to go into a care home. They were both blind, so even though that particular care home did organise window visits that was no help to them because neither could see.
So both were alone, even though they had never been apart most of their adult lives.
Then he just said...'She passed away yesterday, and I am ringing in because I don't want this to happen to anyone else'.
Surely, as care home staff are checked regularly before they go into work, the same procedure could be carried out for designated family members in all care homes to enable visits and ensure no one else has to die amongst strangers.
Maddog said
Oct 25 2:21 PM, 2020
Syl wrote:
In case we forget, because this disease is looked at so often in facts and figures, every number has a story.
A heartbreaking call came through a couple of days ago on local radio. A couple had been married 48 years, never apart, but sadly in the last three months the wife needed full time care and had to go into a care home. They were both blind, so even though that particular care home did organise window visits that was no help to them because neither could see. So both were alone, even though they had never been apart most of their adult lives.
Then he just said...'She passed away yesterday, and I am ringing in because I don't want this to happen to anyone else'.
Surely, as care home staff are checked regularly before they go into work, the same procedure could be carried out for designated family members in all care homes to enable visits and ensure no one else has to die amongst strangers.
That's how the hospital does it. I went to see my mom in a busy emergency room. They took my temperature and away I went wandering around looking for the room my mom was in.
Did I mention how cute a lot of the nurses are, even in masks?
Syl said
Oct 25 2:44 PM, 2020
If your mum is still mentally fit, though it's horrible for her, she at least would be able to understand about the virus. Is she out of emergency now?
For the ones with dementia it must be a lot worse. Many people with dementia still know who their families are, and to not have had visits for many months must be very confusing for them.
JP said
Oct 25 3:28 PM, 2020
Syl wrote:
In case we forget, because this disease is looked at so often in facts and figures, every number has a story.
A heartbreaking call came through a couple of days ago on local radio. A couple had been married 48 years, never apart, but sadly in the last three months the wife needed full time care and had to go into a care home. They were both blind, so even though that particular care home did organise window visits that was no help to them because neither could see. So both were alone, even though they had never been apart most of their adult lives.
Then he just said...'She passed away yesterday, and I am ringing in because I don't want this to happen to anyone else'.
Surely, as care home staff are checked regularly before they go into work, the same procedure could be carried out for designated family members in all care homes to enable visits and ensure no one else has to die amongst strangers.
Visits are only possible in homes that are deemed ‘Outbreak Free’ – namely it has been 28 days since the onset of symptoms of the last case in the home. This period represents twice the incubation period of the virus.
We are primarily focused on garden visits, enabling up to two visitors per resident for half an hour. We would encourage these visitors to be constant visitors, but if there are extenuating circumstances, our home managers are able to risk assess the possibility of alternating visitors. Unfortunately no children are allowed at this point.
Where residents are unable or uncomfortable with garden visits, we will do all we can to support visits inside the home. However, these will be limited to one constant visitor.
All visits must be booked to enable us to manage them safely and ensure the appropriate cleaning and hygiene regimes are in place
You will be asked some health screening questions at the start of your visit, will be asked to wash your hands or use the sanitising gel provided and will have your temperature taken. If you are showing any symptoms which could indicate coronavirus, please do not travel to the care home as we will need to refuse entry. As you will be aware, these symptoms include a raised temperature, a new and persistent cough, a loss of taste or smell and a generally feeling of being lethargic and unwell.
You will be asked to wear a face mask and practice social distancing for the duration of your visit. Unfortunately, this means no kissing, hugging or holding hands at present.
To protect the people we are caring for, residents cannot yet accept gifts, flowers or food under current guidelines
Visitors will not be able to use facilities such as coffee shops and toilets (unless for emergencies), however refreshments will be provided by care home colleagues
The above is what happens now. As of 6 weeks or so ago, around the time one of my Nan's Children received a letter stating all that. Any care home can apply the above if they choose to do so.
I didn't post the actual link in case it doesn't work.
Funny enough a scheme was announced about 2 weeks ago for England regarding designating relatives or a friend as a keyworker. Over the winter and maybe beyond. They'll be treated the same as care home staff regular tests etc Maybe that was in the back of your mind. Also recently it was announced that care staff can only work in one home. They are banned from working in multiple homes. A good thing for obvious reasons.
Maddog said
Oct 25 4:17 PM, 2020
Syl wrote:
If your mum is still mentally fit, though it's horrible for her, she at least would be able to understand about the virus. Is she out of emergency now?
For the ones with dementia it must be a lot worse. Many people with dementia still know who their families are, and to not have had visits for many months must be very confusing for them.
Both visits were about 5 hours. She had infections both times, which cause some confusion. I wish there was away for doctors to run tests where she lives. Makes more sense than loading her into an ambulance.
She understands the virus but is to the point that she no longer cares if it gets her.
Well putting to one side whatever our personal views are on the negotiation thing.
I do think all of our local leaders across the Country need to concentrate hard on doing their best to get their community and area to stringently as possible follow guidelines and rules. Andy seemingly has a good rapport with quite a few. Although like Boris and other ministers and many MPs generally, it could be argued many people haven't been listening to him.
Once enough people just do what they want, sod guidelines and rules, as we know the shit soon starts to hit the fan big time.
-- Edited by JP on Thursday 22nd of October 2020 12:12:08 AM
What the fuck is going on in Wales. All roads in and out shut and only essential items can be bought when shopping.
All for a virus that has over a 98% survival rate.
Tell that to those whose relatives have died.
Show them your papers.
Say that to the relatives of those who have died of suicide, cancers and many other things because of lockdown. Why do you only care about those who died from Covid19 and don't say you do care because every time they are brought up you say "but COVID"
The ONS recently said 26,000 more people than usual died in private homes between March and September only 3% of those were directly covid19 related.
So there is a balance to be struck regarding lockdowns.. And how you go about them. Clearly it is a very difficult and a very fine balance for anyone to achieve well. Finding ways of getting low covid19 deaths and low knock-on effect deaths caused by having lockdowns isn't easy to say the least.
-- Edited by JP on Sunday 25th of October 2020 12:28:38 AM
Many have died without seeing their partners or children, and the ones left behind, deprived of being able to comfort their spouse or parents will never get over that.
I dont understand why, as happens with care home staff, staff, precautions couldn't have been carried out to enable relatives to be with their loved ones when they are old, ill and confused.
My mother has been in the hospital twice during the past 3 weeks. I can see her there, but I haven't been able to see jer where she lives. I was about to, then a resident caught the Rona and they locked it down. As of today, there have been no other cases.
Suicides are also on the rise, even with the young.
Nothing happens in a vacuum.
I think care home and residential home visits are basically decided on locally now. It's up to the home in question and the people in charge of health in a given area to decide what happens in their area. My Nan is in a assisted living setting. Her Children only her Children have been visiting outside, weather permitting for at least 6 weeks now maybe longer. Masks on everyone of course. My Nan wears a shield though. Due to her age and things, she can't really wear a mask.
And if the weather is bad. Too bad for the resident to go outside in. You are allowed on site to talk to your loved one through a window. Granted not great but better than nothing.
The people in charge have specifically mentioned they worry about the mental state of their residents. They try to find the balance between being as safe as possible but also trying to make sure their residents don't become too down and lonely, stressed. Which in-turn especially in the old and very old age can lead to any physical issues they may already have becoming worse. Or even bring on such an issue.
When have I ever mentioned that I don't care about the devastating effects on people of the mental toll, the emotional pain of loved ones, economic stress and lack of operations due to COVID?
Never.
You are putting words into my mouth as usual to have a cheap anonymous pop and it's getting boring.
Are you an anti-vaxxer or think it's a huge hoax as you don't seem to think the virus is a big deal as it's only a '98% survival rate' one in 50 people dying is a big deal to me.
Do I hear the echoes of Mr Icke and his reptilian chums?
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 25th of October 2020 03:23:53 AM
WTF? what is even remotely conspiracy about that post? You really do get stuck in a rut of thinking and have a few goto responses.
Hmm can I chuck the CT angle in here?
A heartbreaking call came through a couple of days ago on local radio. A couple had been married 48 years, never apart, but sadly in the last three months the wife needed full time care and had to go into a care home. They were both blind, so even though that particular care home did organise window visits that was no help to them because neither could see.
So both were alone, even though they had never been apart most of their adult lives.
Then he just said...'She passed away yesterday, and I am ringing in because I don't want this to happen to anyone else'.
Surely, as care home staff are checked regularly before they go into work, the same procedure could be carried out for designated family members in all care homes to enable visits and ensure no one else has to die amongst strangers.
That's how the hospital does it. I went to see my mom in a busy emergency room. They took my temperature and away I went wandering around looking for the room my mom was in.
Did I mention how cute a lot of the nurses are, even in masks?
For the ones with dementia it must be a lot worse. Many people with dementia still know who their families are, and to not have had visits for many months must be very confusing for them.
The above is what happens now. As of 6 weeks or so ago, around the time one of my Nan's Children received a letter stating all that. Any care home can apply the above if they choose to do so.
I didn't post the actual link in case it doesn't work.
Funny enough a scheme was announced about 2 weeks ago for England regarding designating relatives or a friend as a keyworker. Over the winter and maybe beyond. They'll be treated the same as care home staff regular tests etc Maybe that was in the back of your mind. Also recently it was announced that care staff can only work in one home. They are banned from working in multiple homes. A good thing for obvious reasons.
Both visits were about 5 hours. She had infections both times, which cause some confusion. I wish there was away for doctors to run tests where she lives. Makes more sense than loading her into an ambulance.
She understands the virus but is to the point that she no longer cares if it gets her.