I can see how it could be liberating under the right circumstances. However you work for yourself and if anyone phones to complain about you, you can tell them to fuck off
Didn't you get someone posting bad reviews about your company at one time?? Or threatening to?
I just can't be arsed with the hassle.
The Provo dipsomaniac had a good try at doxing me a few years back, posting as an anonymous "guest" on Dogs...
Oh Edna/Purr/Phil or whoever tried to threaten me with the council about working from home. The idiots didn't know the law concerning that. I got a nasty text message that traced back to a anonymous call centre who, when I contacted them told me they would certainly release the information of the original caller to the police if two calls or texts were made. Lucky for the festers involved they didn't keep it up. So, for those of you out there who think you can get away with stalking/doxing/phoning/harrassment into real personal contact etc... you can't anymore. You will be found out and you will be prosecuted and named and fucking shamed.
As for bad reviews, I'm semi retired, work for myself and don't give a flying fuck, quite frankly.
Fat Budgeh said
Jul 2 8:01 PM, 2018
Yes,I have another 22 years to go before I retire, so I'd rather not give that obsessed drunk salad Dodger Jeanette McGuiness Adams any more info. Now I've seen Clare's forum I know she is obsessed as fuck with me. I love that bitch.
If she followed the diet her hero Bobby sands did she wouldn't be so fat...
Digger said
Jul 2 8:24 PM, 2018
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Yes,I have another 22 years to go before I retire, so I'd rather not give that obsessed drunk salad Dodger Jeanette McGuiness Adams any more info. Now I've seen Clare's forum I know she is obsessed as fuck with me. I love that bitch.
If she followed the diet her hero Bobby sands did she wouldn't be so fat...
22 years til you're 67? Don't you have a private pension you can retire with at 50? I've got a private pension that's why I'm 'semi' retired. I still have to wait 5 years til I get the state one too. Fucking robbing bastard Government!!!
Digger said
Jul 2 8:25 PM, 2018
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Yes,I have another 22 years to go before I retire, so I'd rather not give that obsessed drunk salad Dodger Jeanette McGuiness Adams any more info. Now I've seen Clare's forum I know she is obsessed as fuck with me. I love that bitch.
If she followed the diet her hero Bobby sands did she wouldn't be so fat...
You've got some brass neck calling others fat!
Fat Budgeh said
Jul 2 8:57 PM, 2018
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Yes,I have another 22 years to go before I retire, so I'd rather not give that obsessed drunk salad Dodger Jeanette McGuiness Adams any more info. Now I've seen Clare's forum I know she is obsessed as fuck with me. I love that bitch.
If she followed the diet her hero Bobby sands did she wouldn't be so fat...
You've got some brass neck calling others fat!
youve never seen a picture of me, so how would you know if I was fat or not?
On the other hand, I've seen pictures of you.. your arse cheeks have different postcodes and you need a camera on the ceiling to take a selfie!!!
Fat Budgeh said
Jul 2 8:59 PM, 2018
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Yes,I have another 22 years to go before I retire, so I'd rather not give that obsessed drunk salad Dodger Jeanette McGuiness Adams any more info. Now I've seen Clare's forum I know she is obsessed as fuck with me. I love that bitch.
If she followed the diet her hero Bobby sands did she wouldn't be so fat...
22 years til you're 67? Don't you have a private pension you can retire with at 50? I've got a private pension that's why I'm 'semi' retired. I still have to wait 5 years til I get the state one too. Fucking robbing bastard Government!!!
Why would I want to retire that early?? i've still got ambition!!!
I'd also be bored.
Syl said
Jul 2 9:26 PM, 2018
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Syl wrote:
The gobby Manc who has scraped classier shit of her shoes do you mean?
Unlike you blubberboy, I dont feel the need to big myself up for strangers on a forum.....you have no idea what I have done in my life......so go and verbally abuse someone else....someone who gives a damn.
"Classy" and "Manc" don't belong in the same sentence....
You don't feel the need to big yourself up, thats why you uploaded an avatar of your face so that people could tell you how good looking you are for 70.... if not, why did you do it?
You need attention from strangers - not getting any at home?????
Lots of people use their own photos. Usually people who aren't bothered if people know who they are.
Correct, I have seen lots of posters over the years who post their pics up, its never done out of vanity, poor blubberboy cant understand why others don't need approval from strangers...because he is judging everyone else by his own standards.
Digger said
Jul 3 9:31 AM, 2018
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Yes,I have another 22 years to go before I retire, so I'd rather not give that obsessed drunk salad Dodger Jeanette McGuiness Adams any more info. Now I've seen Clare's forum I know she is obsessed as fuck with me. I love that bitch.
If she followed the diet her hero Bobby sands did she wouldn't be so fat...
You've got some brass neck calling others fat!
youve never seen a picture of me, so how would you know if I was fat or not?
On the other hand, I've seen pictures of you.. your arse cheeks have different postcodes and you need a camera on the ceiling to take a selfie!!!
I have seen your photo. You sent me several, don't you remember? Also you sent one to MG and she posted it all over the chat. You're not exactly Adonis. Of course you'll deny it was you.
Fat Budgeh said
Jul 3 10:25 AM, 2018
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Yes,I have another 22 years to go before I retire, so I'd rather not give that obsessed drunk salad Dodger Jeanette McGuiness Adams any more info. Now I've seen Clare's forum I know she is obsessed as fuck with me. I love that bitch.
If she followed the diet her hero Bobby sands did she wouldn't be so fat...
You've got some brass neck calling others fat!
youve never seen a picture of me, so how would you know if I was fat or not?
On the other hand, I've seen pictures of you.. your arse cheeks have different postcodes and you need a camera on the ceiling to take a selfie!!!
I have seen your photo. You sent me several, don't you remember? Also you sent one to MG and she posted it all over the chat. You're not exactly Adonis. Of course you'll deny it was you.
Several?
And for what purpose did I send you these pictures??? - and via what medium?? Facebook? We've certainly not been email buddies
I sent a spotty back pic to someone that I stole from a steroid forum, is that the one you mean?? Wasn't it FFS I sent it to? If its not the same one then I can't think of it.
Of course I'll deny it's me if it's not me - do you think I'll own up to something I haven't fucking sent??????
I'm Adonis enough for any English woman!!!!!!!
-- Edited by Fat Budgeh on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 10:26:04 AM
Digger said
Jul 3 10:37 AM, 2018
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Yes,I have another 22 years to go before I retire, so I'd rather not give that obsessed drunk salad Dodger Jeanette McGuiness Adams any more info. Now I've seen Clare's forum I know she is obsessed as fuck with me. I love that bitch.
If she followed the diet her hero Bobby sands did she wouldn't be so fat...
You've got some brass neck calling others fat!
youve never seen a picture of me, so how would you know if I was fat or not?
On the other hand, I've seen pictures of you.. your arse cheeks have different postcodes and you need a camera on the ceiling to take a selfie!!!
I have seen your photo. You sent me several, don't you remember? Also you sent one to MG and she posted it all over the chat. You're not exactly Adonis. Of course you'll deny it was you.
Several?
And for what purpose did I send you these pictures??? - and via what medium?? Facebook? We've certainly not been email buddies
I sent a spotty back pic to someone that I stole from a steroid forum, is that the one you mean?? Wasn't it FFS I sent it to? If its not the same one then I can't think of it.
Of course I'll deny it's me if it's not me - do you think I'll own up to something I haven't fucking sent??????
I'm Adonis enough for any English woman!!!!!!!
-- Edited by Fat Budgeh on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 10:26:04 AM
You sent me photos of you at home at your computer. Many years ago now. if you say they were fake, why were you posting photos of some poor innocent sap in his house? That's not very nice is it? And you banged on about Northern doing the same thing for fucking years, so that makes you the new Northern. And if you're not that baldy fat twat in the kilt, post the real you to prove it.
Syl said
Jul 3 11:40 AM, 2018
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Yes,I have another 22 years to go before I retire, so I'd rather not give that obsessed drunk salad Dodger Jeanette McGuiness Adams any more info. Now I've seen Clare's forum I know she is obsessed as fuck with me. I love that bitch.
If she followed the diet her hero Bobby sands did she wouldn't be so fat...
You've got some brass neck calling others fat!
youve never seen a picture of me, so how would you know if I was fat or not?
On the other hand, I've seen pictures of you.. your arse cheeks have different postcodes and you need a camera on the ceiling to take a selfie!!!
I have seen your photo. You sent me several, don't you remember? Also you sent one to MG and she posted it all over the chat. You're not exactly Adonis. Of course you'll deny it was you.
Several?
And for what purpose did I send you these pictures??? - and via what medium?? Facebook? We've certainly not been email buddies
I sent a spotty back pic to someone that I stole from a steroid forum, is that the one you mean?? Wasn't it FFS I sent it to? If its not the same one then I can't think of it.
Of course I'll deny it's me if it's not me - do you think I'll own up to something I haven't fucking sent??????
I'm Adonis enough for any English woman!!!!!!!
-- Edited by Fat Budgeh on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 10:26:04 AM
You sent me photos of you at home at your computer. Many years ago now. if you say they were fake, why were you posting photos of some poor innocent sap in his house? That's not very nice is it? And you banged on about Northern doing the same thing for fucking years, so that makes you the new Northern. And if you're not that baldy fat twat in the kilt, post the real you to prove it.
Baldy fat twat in the kilt.
Fat Budgeh said
Jul 3 12:29 PM, 2018
Digger wrote:
You sent me photos of you at home at your computer. Many years ago now. if you say they were fake, why were you posting photos of some poor innocent sap in his house? That's not very nice is it? And you banged on about Northern doing the same thing for fucking years, so that makes you the new Northern. And if you're not that baldy fat twat in the kilt, post the real you to prove it.
Are you sure I sent you pictures of myself at home at my PC??? Or were you part of the picture-passing chain?
Years ago? So let me get this right, you think what I am now is the same as it was years ago???
What were you like 10 stone ago? You're fatter than I am, that's for sure!!!
I don't give a fuck because people from Dogs like LordRaven, Teef, Snuffs have met me - has anyone met you? How do I know you're that morbidly obese woman in the pictures????
-- Edited by Fat Budgeh on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 12:30:58 PM
Fat Budgeh said
Jul 3 12:30 PM, 2018
Syl wrote:
Baldy fat twat in the kilt.
Fat you may think, but you'll never know for sure.
Anyway, I can lose weight, whereas you'll be in a box within the decade
What would you rather be? Old with time running out, or fat?
I'm glad you'll be a slim in your casket
Syl said
Jul 3 12:35 PM, 2018
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Syl wrote:
Baldy fat twat in the kilt.
Fat you may think, but you'll never know for sure.
Anyway, I can lose weight, whereas you'll be in a box within the decade
What would you rather be? Old with time running out, or fat?
I'm glad you'll be a slim in your casket
I will probably outlive you blubberboy.
But if I don't, at least I will know that playing to the crowd acting the big 'I am' on a couple of forums hasn't been the highlight of my life.
Fat Budgeh said
Jul 3 1:05 PM, 2018
Syl wrote:
I will probably outlive you blubberboy.
But if I don't, at least I will know that playing to the crowd acting the big 'I am' on a couple of forums hasn't been the highlight of my life.
Yeah, picking up empty beer glasses and passively smoking 40 a day sitting with pensioners - I'm so jealous
You won't outlive me, you've got 25 years on me. You are deluding yourself, which I think is common in people your age when you're close to the tomb. I understand completely.
Anyhow, given that no-one (edit: from the forums) has met you, how does Digger know you're not a fraud using someone else's photos too?
You could be a young thing impersonating a feckless granny that achieved nothing in her life!!!!!!!
-- Edited by Fat Budgeh on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 01:07:43 PM
Digger said
Jul 3 4:32 PM, 2018
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Digger wrote:
You sent me photos of you at home at your computer. Many years ago now. if you say they were fake, why were you posting photos of some poor innocent sap in his house? That's not very nice is it? And you banged on about Northern doing the same thing for fucking years, so that makes you the new Northern. And if you're not that baldy fat twat in the kilt, post the real you to prove it.
Are you sure I sent you pictures of myself at home at my PC??? Or were you part of the picture-passing chain?
Years ago? So let me get this right, you think what I am now is the same as it was years ago???
What were you like 10 stone ago? You're fatter than I am, that's for sure!!!
I don't give a fuck because people from Dogs like LordRaven, Teef, Snuffs have met me - has anyone met you? How do I know you're that morbidly obese woman in the pictures????
-- Edited by Fat Budgeh on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 12:30:58 PM
Doesn't matter how fat or thin you are now. You'll still be a baldy mealy mouthed twit. It's no good getting personal and nasty when someone disagrees with you or pulls you up on your behaviour to others. It just makes you look defensive and puerile. And yes, you personally showed me your photos from years ago of you on your computer. The same face, ironically, on the photos that were posted in the chat. If it wasn't you why on earth would you pretend it was?
As for me being fatter than you, I should think so. When I was 45 I was a size 10 and fit as a fiddle. What the fuck will you be like at 60? Tootling along on a disability scooter or your corpse hanging in the back yard for the bluetits to peck at?
How's it going over a Claire's BTW?
-- Edited by Digger on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 04:33:26 PM
Fat Budgeh said
Jul 3 5:29 PM, 2018
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Digger wrote:
You sent me photos of you at home at your computer. Many years ago now. if you say they were fake, why were you posting photos of some poor innocent sap in his house? That's not very nice is it? And you banged on about Northern doing the same thing for fucking years, so that makes you the new Northern. And if you're not that baldy fat twat in the kilt, post the real you to prove it.
Are you sure I sent you pictures of myself at home at my PC??? Or were you part of the picture-passing chain?
Years ago? So let me get this right, you think what I am now is the same as it was years ago???
What were you like 10 stone ago? You're fatter than I am, that's for sure!!!
I don't give a fuck because people from Dogs like LordRaven, Teef, Snuffs have met me - has anyone met you? How do I know you're that morbidly obese woman in the pictures????
-- Edited by Fat Budgeh on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 12:30:58 PM
Doesn't matter how fat or thin you are now. You'll still be a baldy mealy mouthed twit. It's no good getting personal and nasty when someone disagrees with you or pulls you up on your behaviour to others. It just makes you look defensive and puerile. And yes, you personally showed me your photos from years ago of you on your computer. The same face, ironically, on the photos that were posted in the chat. If it wasn't you why on earth would you pretend it was?
As for me being fatter than you, I should think so. When I was 45 I was a size 10 and fit as a fiddle. What the fuck will you be like at 60? Tootling along on a disability scooter or your corpse hanging in the back yard for the bluetits to peck at?
How's it going over a Claire's BTW?
-- Edited by Digger on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 04:33:26 PM
Hahaha, you can't take what you dish out! I honestly do not recall giving you pictures of me, but I'll take your word for it.
I don't care how it looks, how many times do I have to reiterate that I couldn't give a fuck what strangers think??? I've had puerile and defensive arguments with JO this year, do you think I really care????
Forums are just pastimes to me, they do not fill any social gap. You seem to need to be on forums, how many is that you've been a member of?
If you call me a baldy twat or a sex abuser (Syl) then expect it back. Syl's lucky I'm not raising it up another notch - and I can.
Believe what you like re my health, my blood pressure and cholesterol are in good nick, and if you think I don't exercise that's your lookout, I really don't care. Are you projecting?
Hanging in the back yard? Is that you making a joke about suicide???? That's MY domain (and Dean's), get your own patter!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm too awesome to top myself.
Fat Budgeh said
Jul 3 5:31 PM, 2018
I'm collating another batch from Claire's gaff, but there's nothing Earth shattering apart from the long "Budgie" thread and the "Dogs has lost the plot part 3"
If anyone is expecting any revelations, I'm afraid they are in short supply.
I think Claire is lonely and frustrated by the looks of things. I pity her.
Digger said
Jul 3 5:34 PM, 2018
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fat Budgeh wrote:
Digger wrote:
You sent me photos of you at home at your computer. Many years ago now. if you say they were fake, why were you posting photos of some poor innocent sap in his house? That's not very nice is it? And you banged on about Northern doing the same thing for fucking years, so that makes you the new Northern. And if you're not that baldy fat twat in the kilt, post the real you to prove it.
Are you sure I sent you pictures of myself at home at my PC??? Or were you part of the picture-passing chain?
Years ago? So let me get this right, you think what I am now is the same as it was years ago???
What were you like 10 stone ago? You're fatter than I am, that's for sure!!!
I don't give a fuck because people from Dogs like LordRaven, Teef, Snuffs have met me - has anyone met you? How do I know you're that morbidly obese woman in the pictures????
-- Edited by Fat Budgeh on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 12:30:58 PM
Doesn't matter how fat or thin you are now. You'll still be a baldy mealy mouthed twit. It's no good getting personal and nasty when someone disagrees with you or pulls you up on your behaviour to others. It just makes you look defensive and puerile. And yes, you personally showed me your photos from years ago of you on your computer. The same face, ironically, on the photos that were posted in the chat. If it wasn't you why on earth would you pretend it was?
As for me being fatter than you, I should think so. When I was 45 I was a size 10 and fit as a fiddle. What the fuck will you be like at 60? Tootling along on a disability scooter or your corpse hanging in the back yard for the bluetits to peck at?
How's it going over a Claire's BTW?
-- Edited by Digger on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 04:33:26 PM
Hahaha, you can't take what you dish out! I honestly do not recall giving you pictures of me, but I'll take your word for it.
I don't care how it looks, how many times do I have to reiterate that I couldn't give a fuck what strangers think??? I've had puerile and defensive arguments with JO this year, do you think I really care????
Forums are just pastimes to me, they do not fill any social gap. You seem to need to be on forums, how many is that you've been a member of?
If you call me a baldy twat or a sex abuser (Syl) then expect it back. Syl's lucky I'm not raising it up another notch - and I can.
Believe what you like re my health, my blood pressure and cholesterol are in good nick, and if you think I don't exercise that's your lookout, I really don't care. Are you projecting?
Hanging in the back yard? Is that you making a joke about suicide???? That's MY domain (and Dean's), get your own patter!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm too awesome to top myself.
It's funny watching you type all this in an effort to be blase. You post what you post on here not because you can but because I let you.
Syl said
Jul 3 5:52 PM, 2018
Blubberboy is under the thumb of so many females online....yet he kids himself he is the one in the driving seat.
Oh Edna/Purr/Phil or whoever tried to threaten me with the council about working from home. The idiots didn't know the law concerning that. I got a nasty text message that traced back to a anonymous call centre who, when I contacted them told me they would certainly release the information of the original caller to the police if two calls or texts were made. Lucky for the festers involved they didn't keep it up. So, for those of you out there who think you can get away with stalking/doxing/phoning/harrassment into real personal contact etc... you can't anymore. You will be found out and you will be prosecuted and named and fucking shamed.
As for bad reviews, I'm semi retired, work for myself and don't give a flying fuck, quite frankly.
If she followed the diet her hero Bobby sands did she wouldn't be so fat...
22 years til you're 67? Don't you have a private pension you can retire with at 50? I've got a private pension that's why I'm 'semi' retired. I still have to wait 5 years til I get the state one too. Fucking robbing bastard Government!!!
You've got some brass neck calling others fat!
youve never seen a picture of me, so how would you know if I was fat or not?
On the other hand, I've seen pictures of you.. your arse cheeks have different postcodes and you need a camera on the ceiling to take a selfie!!!
Why would I want to retire that early?? i've still got ambition!!!
I'd also be bored.
Correct, I have seen lots of posters over the years who post their pics up, its never done out of vanity, poor blubberboy cant understand why others don't need approval from strangers...because he is judging everyone else by his own standards.
I have seen your photo. You sent me several, don't you remember? Also you sent one to MG and she posted it all over the chat. You're not exactly Adonis. Of course you'll deny it was you.
Several?
And for what purpose did I send you these pictures???
- and via what medium?? Facebook? We've certainly not been email buddies 
I sent a spotty back pic to someone that I stole from a steroid forum, is that the one you mean?? Wasn't it FFS I sent it to? If its not the same one then I can't think of it.
Of course I'll deny it's me if it's not me - do you think I'll own up to something I haven't fucking sent??????
I'm Adonis enough for any English woman!!!!!!!
-- Edited by Fat Budgeh on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 10:26:04 AM
You sent me photos of you at home at your computer. Many years ago now. if you say they were fake, why were you posting photos of some poor innocent sap in his house? That's not very nice is it? And you banged on about Northern doing the same thing for fucking years, so that makes you the new Northern. And if you're not that baldy fat twat in the kilt, post the real you to prove it.
Baldy fat twat in the kilt.
Are you sure I sent you pictures of myself at home at my PC??? Or were you part of the picture-passing chain?
Years ago? So let me get this right, you think what I am now is the same as it was years ago???
What were you like 10 stone ago? You're fatter than I am, that's for sure!!!
I don't give a fuck because people from Dogs like LordRaven, Teef, Snuffs have met me - has anyone met you? How do I know you're that morbidly obese woman in the pictures????
-- Edited by Fat Budgeh on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 12:30:58 PM
Fat you may think, but you'll never know for sure.
Anyway, I can lose weight, whereas you'll be in a box within the decade
What would you rather be? Old with time running out, or fat?
I'm glad you'll be a slim in your casket
I will probably outlive you blubberboy.
But if I don't, at least I will know that playing to the crowd acting the big 'I am' on a couple of forums hasn't been the highlight of my life.
Yeah, picking up empty beer glasses and passively smoking 40 a day sitting with pensioners - I'm so jealous
You won't outlive me, you've got 25 years on me. You are deluding yourself, which I think is common in people your age when you're close to the tomb. I understand completely.
Anyhow, given that no-one (edit: from the forums) has met you, how does Digger know you're not a fraud using someone else's photos too?
You could be a young thing impersonating a feckless granny that achieved nothing in her life!!!!!!!
-- Edited by Fat Budgeh on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 01:07:43 PM
Doesn't matter how fat or thin you are now. You'll still be a baldy mealy mouthed twit. It's no good getting personal and nasty when someone disagrees with you or pulls you up on your behaviour to others. It just makes you look defensive and puerile. And yes, you personally showed me your photos from years ago of you on your computer. The same face, ironically, on the photos that were posted in the chat. If it wasn't you why on earth would you pretend it was?
As for me being fatter than you, I should think so. When I was 45 I was a size 10 and fit as a fiddle. What the fuck will you be like at 60? Tootling along on a disability scooter or your corpse hanging in the back yard for the bluetits to peck at?
How's it going over a Claire's BTW?
-- Edited by Digger on Tuesday 3rd of July 2018 04:33:26 PM
Hahaha, you can't take what you dish out! I honestly do not recall giving you pictures of me, but I'll take your word for it.
I don't care how it looks, how many times do I have to reiterate that I couldn't give a fuck what strangers think??? I've had puerile and defensive arguments with JO this year, do you think I really care????
Forums are just pastimes to me, they do not fill any social gap. You seem to need to be on forums, how many is that you've been a member of?
If you call me a baldy twat or a sex abuser (Syl) then expect it back. Syl's lucky I'm not raising it up another notch - and I can.
Believe what you like re my health, my blood pressure and cholesterol are in good nick, and if you think I don't exercise that's your lookout, I really don't care. Are you projecting?
Hanging in the back yard? Is that you making a joke about suicide???? That's MY domain (and Dean's), get your own patter!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm too awesome to top myself.
If anyone is expecting any revelations, I'm afraid they are in short supply.
I think Claire is lonely and frustrated by the looks of things. I pity her.
It's funny watching you type all this in an effort to be blase. You post what you post on here not because you can but because I let you.
Blubberboy is under the thumb of so many females online....yet he kids himself he is the one in the driving seat.