One of the biggest secrets ever created by the Fed and the government was that the Fed was government and not a privately owned banking group. Along with that printed in text books as you once told me was the lie that banks were lending mostly money out that they had when in reality they created the money out of thin air! You yourself defended this lie quite aggressively at times. Must have been a hell of a thing to hold your hands up and admit the vast majority of the world's population had been conned and for generations. Now there's one hell of a secret created and sustained by government.
It's never been a secret that the Federal Reserve isn't "owned" by the government.
Quantitative Easing isn't a secret either. It started with the Japanese Central Bank in 1999 and we adopted the practice in 2008 as a result of the banking crisis, as did numerous other Central Banks including yours, which also isn't secret..
That's not what I'm talking about and you know it.
The Federal Reserve took the name Federal to make it sound governmental and you argued with us for years on dogs that it wasn't a private concern.
You also argued that banks didn't create money out of thin air everytime a loan was taken out.
You don't have to be embarrassed it was good of you to finally admit you were so wrong about this stuff.
You overcame the cognitive dissonance.
Maddog said
Sep 6 1:32 AM, 2023
jackthelad wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackthelad wrote:
One of the biggest secrets ever created by the Fed and the government was that the Fed was government and not a privately owned banking group. Along with that printed in text books as you once told me was the lie that banks were lending mostly money out that they had when in reality they created the money out of thin air! You yourself defended this lie quite aggressively at times. Must have been a hell of a thing to hold your hands up and admit the vast majority of the world's population had been conned and for generations. Now there's one hell of a secret created and sustained by government.
It's never been a secret that the Federal Reserve isn't "owned" by the government.
Quantitative Easing isn't a secret either. It started with the Japanese Central Bank in 1999 and we adopted the practice in 2008 as a result of the banking crisis, as did numerous other Central Banks including yours, which also isn't secret..
That's not what I'm talking about and you know it.
The Federal Reserve took the name Federal to make it sound governmental and you argued with us for years on dogs that it wasn't a private concern.
You also argued that banks didn't create money out of thin air everytime a loan was taken out.
You don't have to be embarrassed it was good of you to finally admit you were so wrong about this stuff.
You overcame the cognitive dissonance.
The Federal Reserve was created by an act of congress and is run by a chairman and board appointed by the president and approved by congress. The stock in the bank is owned by all nationally chartered banks as a matter of federal law.
I have never considered fractional reserve banking as printing money in the same vein as quantitative easing..
If it makes you feel better to call FRB "creating money out of thin air" have at it. It's semantics describing how banks have made money for centuries.
And none of this is a fucking conspiracy or some deep dark government secret.
Digger said
Sep 6 9:53 AM, 2023
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Vam wrote:
(just my two cents)
There was a very credible risk that the mother of the future King of England would also give birth to a child whose father was a Muslim.
Yes, there's that aswell.
Do you remember on that last holiday she had, she rode a jet ski out to watching English press, and said something along the lines of...'Just wait till I announce my latest news'...she never got the chance, she was dead a few days later.
Yes I remember that. I dont think she was pregnant but.might be she was getting engaged or other news. M We will never know now. She was bumped.off to make way for Camilla. Who now is queen. Well I will never call her that. My queen died a year ago, but
is still my queen.
I think Diana was planning a new life in America. I don't think for one moment she'd have married Dodi, she wasn't that stupid and he was known to be a feckless playboy. He was just a stop gap for her, a diversion or perhaps someone with whom she knew a relationship with would wind up the Royal family which was all part of her revenge. But I doubt she'd have harnessed herself to him. She had more about her. She told friends she had no intention of marrying him...that was a fantasy and dream of his father who was desperate for them to be a couple. Dodi was engaged to someone else when he started seeing Diana and he'd been married before for only 8 months before he cheated on his wife. People who knew Diana really well all claimed she would never have married him and that she was just temporarily enjoying the attentions of a very rich man.
The love of Diana's life was really Hasnat Khan, who wouldn't commit because he feared the media circus would destroy his career and because his family were insistent he marry a muslim woman. It broke Diana's heart. And as most people who have broken hearts do she sought a diversion. Khan knew she had started seeing someone else and told interviewers this after she ended the relationship with him.
“I remember saying to her at the time, ‘You are dead,’ meaning her reputation was dead. I said this because I was sure that it was someone from Mohamed Al Fayed’s group and that was how I felt about anyone involved with him.”
Accordingly to another close friend who spent time with Diana just after the split, Diana started dating Dodi to make Khan jealous.
The real blame lies with the French paps who mercilessly hounded the pair on that tragic night. The bottom line is those who died in that car weren't wearing seatbelts in a car travelling way too fast.
And all the guff about how the Royal family would never have tolerated her marrying a muslim? That's rubbish and makes no sense and has absolutely no logic. Once divorced from Charles I don't think they'd have cared who she married and it wouldn't have had any impact on anyone or anything if she had.
Syl said
Sep 6 12:34 PM, 2023
I also think Dodi was light relief. According to her friends, she was still in love with Hasnat Khan, but her lifestyle didn't suit him, so he broke off the relationship.
Of course, all anyone of us know is what her 'friends' choose to speak about. Hasnat himself has spoken about their relationship, so at least there is some measure of truth to that.
As for the Muslim debate, I don't think it's guff.
She may have been divorced from Charles, she would always be the mother of the future king, whoever she married would be his stepfather. The Royals protect their image probably better than anyone, which is why Diana, and to a lesser extent Sarah Ferguson, was so disliked by their advisors.
Neither put up and shut up, which was what was expected.
Anonymous said
Sep 6 12:49 PM, 2023
Although it was widely reported he wanted to buy her a very significant ‘rock’ while they were in Paris, I also doubt she would have married Dodi.
But even during a relatively brief fling, there was still a risk that she could have become pregnant with a child of Muslim heritage. No way would the Firm have tolerated a scandal of that magnitude.
Whatever the cause of the crash may have been (jury’s still out for me, tbh), I’ve no doubt there were some collective sighs of relief all the way up and down the Royal food chain.
Maddog said
Sep 6 4:09 PM, 2023
Maybe they never died and are living on the same island as Elvis and Jeffrey Epstein..
Maddog said
Sep 6 4:11 PM, 2023
Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Vam wrote:
(just my two cents)
There was a very credible risk that the mother of the future King of England would also give birth to a child whose father was a Muslim.
Yes, there's that aswell.
Do you remember on that last holiday she had, she rode a jet ski out to watching English press, and said something along the lines of...'Just wait till I announce my latest news'...she never got the chance, she was dead a few days later.
Yes I remember that. I dont think she was pregnant but.might be she was getting engaged or other news. M We will never know now. She was bumped.off to make way for Camilla. Who now is queen. Well I will never call her that. My queen died a year ago, but
is still my queen.
I think Diana was planning a new life in America. I don't think for one moment she'd have married Dodi, she wasn't that stupid and he was known to be a feckless playboy. He was just a stop gap for her, a diversion or perhaps someone with whom she knew a relationship with would wind up the Royal family which was all part of her revenge. But I doubt she'd have harnessed herself to him. She had more about her. She told friends she had no intention of marrying him...that was a fantasy and dream of his father who was desperate for them to be a couple. Dodi was engaged to someone else when he started seeing Diana and he'd been married before for only 8 months before he cheated on his wife. People who knew Diana really well all claimed she would never have married him and that she was just temporarily enjoying the attentions of a very rich man.
The love of Diana's life was really Hasnat Khan, who wouldn't commit because he feared the media circus would destroy his career and because his family were insistent he marry a muslim woman. It broke Diana's heart. And as most people who have broken hearts do she sought a diversion. Khan knew she had started seeing someone else and told interviewers this after she ended the relationship with him.
“I remember saying to her at the time, ‘You are dead,’ meaning her reputation was dead. I said this because I was sure that it was someone from Mohamed Al Fayed’s group and that was how I felt about anyone involved with him.”
Accordingly to another close friend who spent time with Diana just after the split, Diana started dating Dodi to make Khan jealous.
The real blame lies with the French paps who mercilessly hounded the pair on that tragic night. The bottom line is those who died in that car weren't wearing seatbelts in a car travelling way too fast.
And all the guff about how the Royal family would never have tolerated her marrying a muslim? That's rubbish and makes no sense and has absolutely no logic. Once divorced from Charles I don't think they'd have cared who she married and it wouldn't have had any impact on anyone or anything if she had.
Yup, I think Diana wasn't about marrying another nepo dude living off family money..
A year before she died my hub said she's a loose cannon they will get rid of her. Year later, the car crash.
I too don't think she loved Dodi and although she loved Hasnet, she also said she still.loved Charles. Well Camilla wasn't having that!
I think she just needed someone to love tbh. Very sad lady awww.
Syl said
Sep 6 4:14 PM, 2023
I always felt really sorry for Mohamed Al-Fayed. He lost his beloved son through his involvement with Diana. I suppose it was some consolation for him to believe that they would have married, which would have been a huge compliment to him, especially as he was never accepted by the British upper classes.
There is no doubt Fayed believed, as do millions of people, that Diana was murdered, therefore so was Dodi. He never stood a hope in hell of proving it though, Kudos to him for trying so hard to find justice.
He was heartbroken to.lose his son Dodi. Never got over it.
Maddog said
Sep 6 4:17 PM, 2023
Magica wrote:
A year before she died my hub said she's a loose cannon they will get rid of her. Year later, the car crash.
I too don't think she loved Dodi and although she loved Hasnet, she also said she still.loved Charles. Well Camilla wasn't having that!
I think she just needed someone to love tbh. Very sad lady awww.
How did they get the driver to drive at that speed and convince Diana not to wear a seat belt?
Magica said
Sep 6 4:20 PM, 2023
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
A year before she died my hub said she's a loose cannon they will get rid of her. Year later, the car crash.
I too don't think she loved Dodi and although she loved Hasnet, she also said she still.loved Charles. Well Camilla wasn't having that!
I think she just needed someone to love tbh. Very sad lady awww.
How did they get the driver to drive at that speed and convince Diana not to wear a seat belt?
No one wore seat belts in the back. Also.I don't think he was driving as fast as they said. He had a flash shine in his eyes, which obviously disorienting him made lose control. . He was made the baddie. Shame.
Maddog said
Sep 6 4:56 PM, 2023
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
A year before she died my hub said she's a loose cannon they will get rid of her. Year later, the car crash.
I too don't think she loved Dodi and although she loved Hasnet, she also said she still.loved Charles. Well Camilla wasn't having that!
I think she just needed someone to love tbh. Very sad lady awww.
How did they get the driver to drive at that speed and convince Diana not to wear a seat belt?
No one wore seat belts in the back. Also.I don't think he was driving as fast as they said. He had a flash shine in his eyes, which obviously disorienting him made lose control. . He was made the baddie. Shame.
She wore them all of the time.
If they wanted to kill her, this is the most lame brain plan in the world.
This is simply a typical daily occurrence. Driving twice the speed limit amd lose control, hit concrete and the occupants die. Do speeders not kill themselves and others in the UK without the intervention of government sabatours?
Now if all that happened and she lived, then we may want to test her blood for reptilian DNA that was implanted when she became part of the royal family..
Maddog said
Sep 6 5:21 PM, 2023
One of the greatest things about Wikileaks, The Panama papers and other leaks is that they display the nonsense that governments attempt to get away with, but never do. It shows how incompetent they are at keeping secrets very long.
Now, one could say that the "Kill Diana Plan" was kept in an even more secure area. If that's the case, they'd keep all of the embarrassing stuff there, but they don't. 🤔
Syl said
Sep 6 9:20 PM, 2023
It isn't just the fact they had a crash and Diana was not wearing a seatbelt, it's WHY they crashed.
An experienced driver, who was on camera minutes before he got behind the wheel, obviously a damn site more sober than he would have been if he had as much alcohol in his bloodstream than was claimed....and disputed, he was the fall guy imo.
People swear they saw a flash in the tunnel BEFORE the crash, the CCTV was turned off, the white Fiat....which had a major role in this fiasco, mysteriously disappeared...as did the driver, till he turned up dead.
I remember getting up and seeing the wreckage as the news broke around 2 in the morning...no one will convince me this was an ordinary RTA...cos it wasn't.
Digger said
Sep 6 11:07 PM, 2023
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
A year before she died my hub said she's a loose cannon they will get rid of her. Year later, the car crash.
I too don't think she loved Dodi and although she loved Hasnet, she also said she still.loved Charles. Well Camilla wasn't having that!
I think she just needed someone to love tbh. Very sad lady awww.
How did they get the driver to drive at that speed and convince Diana not to wear a seat belt?
No one wore seat belts in the back. Also.I don't think he was driving as fast as they said. He had a flash shine in his eyes, which obviously disorienting him made lose control. . He was made the baddie. Shame.
She wore them all of the time.
If they wanted to kill her, this is the most lame brain plan in the world.
This is simply a typical daily occurrence. Driving twice the speed limit amd lose control, hit concrete and the occupants die. Do speeders not kill themselves and others in the UK without the intervention of government sabatours?
Now if all that happened and she lived, then we may want to test her blood for reptilian DNA that was implanted when she became part of the royal family..
I know. It's farcical. Why the hell would the Royal family kill her in such a public and obvious way. Henri Paul was proven to be over the limit. He had 175m of alcohol per 100mls of blood compared to the legal limit of 50mls per 100mls. That equates to a full bottle of wine. He was also taking anti depressants. The paparazzi are selfish pigs. Them, and the alcohol and lack of seatbelts are what killed them. Nothing and nobody else.
As for the white Fiat Uno, they proved that the Mercedes bumped into it and not the other way around, so who knows why they drove off and didn't stop. Perhaps it was a small scrape and they decided getting away from a nutcase speeding was the safer way to go and then when it all broke out in the news they couldn't face the media circus, perhaps the driver of the Fiat was over the limit too and knew if they stopped they'd be prosecuted for their part in it. Who knows?
Occam's razor is the most likely explanation for the whole thing.
-- Edited by Digger on Wednesday 6th of September 2023 11:07:55 PM
Digger said
Sep 6 11:09 PM, 2023
Syl wrote:
It isn't just the fact they had a crash and Diana was not wearing a seatbelt, it's WHY they crashed.
An experienced driver, who was on camera minutes before he got behind the wheel, obviously a damn site more sober than he would have been if he had as much alcohol in his bloodstream than was claimed....and disputed, he was the fall guy imo.
People swear they saw a flash in the tunnel BEFORE the crash, the CCTV was turned off, the white Fiat....which had a major role in this fiasco, mysteriously disappeared...as did the driver, till he turned up dead.
I remember getting up and seeing the wreckage as the news broke around 2 in the morning...no one will convince me this was an ordinary RTA...cos it wasn't.
I know people who can function just fine on the surface after a full bottle of wine. Just because you don't look drunk doesn't mean the alcohol isn't going to affect your reflexes.
Digger said
Sep 6 11:18 PM, 2023
Syl wrote:
It isn't just the fact they had a crash and Diana was not wearing a seatbelt, it's WHY they crashed.
An experienced driver, who was on camera minutes before he got behind the wheel, obviously a damn site more sober than he would have been if he had as much alcohol in his bloodstream than was claimed....and disputed, he was the fall guy imo.
People swear they saw a flash in the tunnel BEFORE the crash, the CCTV was turned off, the white Fiat....which had a major role in this fiasco, mysteriously disappeared...as did the driver, till he turned up dead.
I remember getting up and seeing the wreckage as the news broke around 2 in the morning...no one will convince me this was an ordinary RTA...cos it wasn't.
The driver of the Fiat is still alive so far as I know. As of 2022 he runs his own business. His name is Le Van Thanh
The other driver accused was dismissed as it was proven his car was off the road at the time. Also, witnesses said that the white Fiat had a large dog in the back. Le Van Thanh had a large dog.
-- Edited by Digger on Wednesday 6th of September 2023 11:23:10 PM
Maddog said
Sep 7 12:31 AM, 2023
Syl wrote:
It isn't just the fact they had a crash and Diana was not wearing a seatbelt, it's WHY they crashed.
An experienced driver, who was on camera minutes before he got behind the wheel, obviously a damn site more sober than he would have been if he had as much alcohol in his bloodstream than was claimed....and disputed, he was the fall guy imo.
People swear they saw a flash in the tunnel BEFORE the crash, the CCTV was turned off, the white Fiat....which had a major role in this fiasco, mysteriously disappeared...as did the driver, till he turned up dead.
I remember getting up and seeing the wreckage as the news broke around 2 in the morning...no one will convince me this was an ordinary RTA...cos it wasn't.
And others saw no flash. There's a sorts of discrepancies in the eyewitnesses.
And if I'm chasing down a Mercedes in some sinister plot, I pick a vehicle actually capable of doing so. Not that Fiat.
This is a simple physics problem. Fast driving leads to a loss of control and hitting things at high speed leads to a loss of life.
Just because she wasn't well liked by some people in power doesn't mean they killed her..
There has never been anything but wild speculation as to any plot to kill her.
The Federal Reserve was created by an act of congress and is run by a chairman and board appointed by the president and approved by congress. The stock in the bank is owned by all nationally chartered banks as a matter of federal law.
I have never considered fractional reserve banking as printing money in the same vein as quantitative easing..
If it makes you feel better to call FRB "creating money out of thin air" have at it. It's semantics describing how banks have made money for centuries.
And none of this is a fucking conspiracy or some deep dark government secret.
I think Diana was planning a new life in America. I don't think for one moment she'd have married Dodi, she wasn't that stupid and he was known to be a feckless playboy. He was just a stop gap for her, a diversion or perhaps someone with whom she knew a relationship with would wind up the Royal family which was all part of her revenge. But I doubt she'd have harnessed herself to him. She had more about her. She told friends she had no intention of marrying him...that was a fantasy and dream of his father who was desperate for them to be a couple. Dodi was engaged to someone else when he started seeing Diana and he'd been married before for only 8 months before he cheated on his wife. People who knew Diana really well all claimed she would never have married him and that she was just temporarily enjoying the attentions of a very rich man.
The love of Diana's life was really Hasnat Khan, who wouldn't commit because he feared the media circus would destroy his career and because his family were insistent he marry a muslim woman. It broke Diana's heart. And as most people who have broken hearts do she sought a diversion. Khan knew she had started seeing someone else and told interviewers this after she ended the relationship with him.
“I remember saying to her at the time, ‘You are dead,’ meaning her reputation was dead. I said this because I was sure that it was someone from Mohamed Al Fayed’s group and that was how I felt about anyone involved with him.”
Accordingly to another close friend who spent time with Diana just after the split, Diana started dating Dodi to make Khan jealous.
The real blame lies with the French paps who mercilessly hounded the pair on that tragic night. The bottom line is those who died in that car weren't wearing seatbelts in a car travelling way too fast.
And all the guff about how the Royal family would never have tolerated her marrying a muslim? That's rubbish and makes no sense and has absolutely no logic. Once divorced from Charles I don't think they'd have cared who she married and it wouldn't have had any impact on anyone or anything if she had.
Of course, all anyone of us know is what her 'friends' choose to speak about. Hasnat himself has spoken about their relationship, so at least there is some measure of truth to that.
As for the Muslim debate, I don't think it's guff.
She may have been divorced from Charles, she would always be the mother of the future king, whoever she married would be his stepfather. The Royals protect their image probably better than anyone, which is why Diana, and to a lesser extent Sarah Ferguson, was so disliked by their advisors.
Neither put up and shut up, which was what was expected.
Although it was widely reported he wanted to buy her a very significant ‘rock’ while they were in Paris, I also doubt she would have married Dodi.
But even during a relatively brief fling, there was still a risk that she could have become pregnant with a child of Muslim heritage. No way would the Firm have tolerated a scandal of that magnitude.
Whatever the cause of the crash may have been (jury’s still out for me, tbh), I’ve no doubt there were some collective sighs of relief all the way up and down the Royal food chain.
Yup, I think Diana wasn't about marrying another nepo dude living off family money..
I too don't think she loved Dodi and although she loved Hasnet, she also said she still.loved Charles. Well Camilla wasn't having that!
I think she just needed someone to love tbh. Very sad lady awww.
I always felt really sorry for Mohamed Al-Fayed. He lost his beloved son through his involvement with Diana. I suppose it was some consolation for him to believe that they would have married, which would have been a huge compliment to him, especially as he was never accepted by the British upper classes.
There is no doubt Fayed believed, as do millions of people, that Diana was murdered, therefore so was Dodi. He never stood a hope in hell of proving it though, Kudos to him for trying so hard to find justice.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mohamed-al-fayeds-bond-diana-30845352
How did they get the driver to drive at that speed and convince Diana not to wear a seat belt?
No one wore seat belts in the back. Also.I don't think he was driving as fast as they said. He had a flash shine in his eyes, which obviously disorienting him made lose control. . He was made the baddie. Shame.
She wore them all of the time.
If they wanted to kill her, this is the most lame brain plan in the world.
This is simply a typical daily occurrence. Driving twice the speed limit amd lose control, hit concrete and the occupants die. Do speeders not kill themselves and others in the UK without the intervention of government sabatours?
Now if all that happened and she lived, then we may want to test her blood for reptilian DNA that was implanted when she became part of the royal family..
Now, one could say that the "Kill Diana Plan" was kept in an even more secure area. If that's the case, they'd keep all of the embarrassing stuff there, but they don't. 🤔
It isn't just the fact they had a crash and Diana was not wearing a seatbelt, it's WHY they crashed.
An experienced driver, who was on camera minutes before he got behind the wheel, obviously a damn site more sober than he would have been if he had as much alcohol in his bloodstream than was claimed....and disputed, he was the fall guy imo.
People swear they saw a flash in the tunnel BEFORE the crash, the CCTV was turned off, the white Fiat....which had a major role in this fiasco, mysteriously disappeared...as did the driver, till he turned up dead.
I remember getting up and seeing the wreckage as the news broke around 2 in the morning...no one will convince me this was an ordinary RTA...cos it wasn't.
I know. It's farcical. Why the hell would the Royal family kill her in such a public and obvious way. Henri Paul was proven to be over the limit. He had 175m of alcohol per 100mls of blood compared to the legal limit of 50mls per 100mls. That equates to a full bottle of wine. He was also taking anti depressants. The paparazzi are selfish pigs. Them, and the alcohol and lack of seatbelts are what killed them. Nothing and nobody else.
As for the white Fiat Uno, they proved that the Mercedes bumped into it and not the other way around, so who knows why they drove off and didn't stop. Perhaps it was a small scrape and they decided getting away from a nutcase speeding was the safer way to go and then when it all broke out in the news they couldn't face the media circus, perhaps the driver of the Fiat was over the limit too and knew if they stopped they'd be prosecuted for their part in it. Who knows?
Occam's razor is the most likely explanation for the whole thing.
-- Edited by Digger on Wednesday 6th of September 2023 11:07:55 PM
I know people who can function just fine on the surface after a full bottle of wine. Just because you don't look drunk doesn't mean the alcohol isn't going to affect your reflexes.
The driver of the Fiat is still alive so far as I know. As of 2022 he runs his own business. His name is Le Van Thanh
The other driver accused was dismissed as it was proven his car was off the road at the time. Also, witnesses said that the white Fiat had a large dog in the back. Le Van Thanh had a large dog.
-- Edited by Digger on Wednesday 6th of September 2023 11:23:10 PM
And others saw no flash. There's a sorts of discrepancies in the eyewitnesses.
And if I'm chasing down a Mercedes in some sinister plot, I pick a vehicle actually capable of doing so. Not that Fiat.
This is a simple physics problem. Fast driving leads to a loss of control and hitting things at high speed leads to a loss of life.
Just because she wasn't well liked by some people in power doesn't mean they killed her..
There has never been anything but wild speculation as to any plot to kill her.