The biggest problem is we aren't as clever as we like to think.
There's enough food and resources to support multiple planets but almost half the population of our little world goes to bed hungry.
We can't figure out a decent economic system a decent social system to deal with mans heroics and mans frailties.
Our food production is massively wasteful as is our engineering and technology creation.
We simply can't figure out an equitable way to live.
SF said
Jan 24 4:41 PM, 2024
I tried to give a chicken to a food bank collection stall in the supermarket but they refused it, saying they can’t take fresh food. So that was me finished. xxxxxxx
jackthelad said
Jan 24 4:55 PM, 2024
SF wrote:
I tried to give a chicken to a food bank collection stall in the supermarket but they refused it, saying they can’t take fresh food. So that was me finished. xxxxxxx
Finished?
Syl said
Jan 24 5:02 PM, 2024
SF wrote:
I tried to give a chicken to a food bank collection stall in the supermarket but they refused it, saying they can’t take fresh food. So that was me finished. xxxxxxx
Well,it stands to reason that chickens go off quickly, so I can see the point of them refusing.
Tins and packeted foods are fine to donate.
I was shocked to see, in my local bank, a donation bin for women's sanitary products. It seems some women have to go without basic monthly products....it certain;y focuses the mind on how some are suffering.
Maddog said
Jan 24 5:10 PM, 2024
jackthelad wrote:
The biggest problem is we aren't as clever as we like to think. There's enough food and resources to support multiple planets but almost half the population of our little world goes to bed hungry. We can't figure out a decent economic system a decent social system to deal with mans heroics and mans frailties. Our food production is massively wasteful as is our engineering and technology creation. We simply can't figure out an equitable way to live.
I don't think half the world goes to bed hungry anymore..
For the first time on this planet, we are suffering the ill effects of being overfed.
Folks lives are being shortened from consuming too much, not too little.
Maddog said
Jan 24 5:12 PM, 2024
SF wrote:
I tried to give a chicken to a food bank collection stall in the supermarket but they refused it, saying they can’t take fresh food. So that was me finished. xxxxxxx
If it was a live chicken, I'll bet 96% of the population couldn't turn that into a meal anyway.
Maddog said
Jan 24 5:22 PM, 2024
Some key facts in terms of food scarcity and obesity. The world has been completely transformed in our lifetimes.
The biggest problem is we aren't as clever as we like to think. There's enough food and resources to support multiple planets but almost half the population of our little world goes to bed hungry. We can't figure out a decent economic system a decent social system to deal with mans heroics and mans frailties. Our food production is massively wasteful as is our engineering and technology creation. We simply can't figure out an equitable way to live.
I don't think half the world goes to bed hungry anymore..
For the first time on this planet, we are suffering the ill effects of being overfed.
Folks lives are being shortened from consuming too much, not too little.
Hunger is worsening worldwide. As many as 828 million people — about 10% of the global population — regularly go to bed hungry. Economic shocks, extreme weather events, and conflicts like the war in Ukraine have restricted global food supplies, driven up prices, and presented a threat to vulnerable populations and countries.
Here are 10 important facts you should know about global hunger and food insecurity:
Here are 10 important facts you should know about global hunger and food insecurity:
I tried to give a chicken to a food bank collection stall in the supermarket but they refused it, saying they can’t take fresh food. So that was me finished. xxxxxxx
If it was a live chicken, I'll bet 96% of the population couldn't turn that into a meal anyway.
Count me amongst the 96%...I would probably keep it as a pet.
Maddog said
Jan 24 8:57 PM, 2024
jackthelad wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackthelad wrote:
The biggest problem is we aren't as clever as we like to think. There's enough food and resources to support multiple planets but almost half the population of our little world goes to bed hungry. We can't figure out a decent economic system a decent social system to deal with mans heroics and mans frailties. Our food production is massively wasteful as is our engineering and technology creation. We simply can't figure out an equitable way to live.
I don't think half the world goes to bed hungry anymore..
For the first time on this planet, we are suffering the ill effects of being overfed.
Folks lives are being shortened from consuming too much, not too little.
Hunger is worsening worldwide. As many as 828 million people — about 10% of the global population — regularly go to bed hungry. Economic shocks, extreme weather events, and conflicts like the war in Ukraine have restricted global food supplies, driven up prices, and presented a threat to vulnerable populations and countries.
Here are 10 important facts you should know about global hunger and food insecurity:
Here are 10 important facts you should know about global hunger and food insecurity:
Hunger is not getting worse.
Obesity is.
Digger said
Jan 24 10:00 PM, 2024
jackthelad wrote:
Syl wrote:
I watched the video above, and as was said, it's a really depressing state of affairs when rickets, scurvy and malnutrition is once more being found amongst our population. It's hard to understand why people arein this state now?
When some of us here were young, there were no benefits like today, the nanny state hadn't arrived, yet people still managed to feed and clothe their kids...and pre pill, families were larger than they are today. Fast food wasn't the norm, mothers actually cooked, and families were not split and segregated like today.
There was no internet to show everyone who had not, what others did have, so there was less inclination to spend out of reach, people lived within their means.
If food banks and handouts did exist, most people were too proud to visit or claim, and yet I don't know of any kids in the 50's or 60's who were starving or suffering from Victorian type diseases.
Are kids today suffering because of lack of proper parenting, or are parents simply unable to cope nowadays, because, in real terms, they are actually poorer than adults were over half a century ago?
There was no need for benefits as there were jobs jobs and more jobs.
If you lost your job or just fancied a change there were another ten jobs almost no questions asked just around the corner.
There was also a massive amount of cash circulating especially in the building trades and building sites all over the place as new estates were going up to replace the bomb damage and the slum clearance across the land.
It was a very different world back then.
No fridges no supermarkets buy what you needed daily at the hundreds of small shops.
No BnQ but a hundred hardware shops.
All this supersize stores mlarky was all very good but they destroyed ambition on a huge scale.
By the middle of the seventies dreaming of having your own shoe shop was becoming an ever more distant dream.
Shops were starting to disappear and now they are all but gone.
We now live in a corporate world where the corporate comes before the people.
Unions? Gone because the corporate is king.
The worth of the masses and individuals is way down from when I was a youngster and I think that has a very negative affect on the population.
I remember the hippies wanting no more wars that didn't happen then the Punks appeared and the punks were saying there's no point in anything the system stinks and the system isn't there to work for me.
I remember when only fairly well off people got divorced and had broken families then the rules of the game were changed again and again till it got to the point where kids with both parents were the odd ones out in some areas.
Now people don't have or want kids they want comfort and wages for themselves.
Every aspect of life is completely tits up from when I was a kid.
When I was a kid the streets belonged to us now each street is lined with a million quids worth of shiny metal boxes and the streets are for them.
We went from the dig in and look after each other lifestyle to look at me look at me look at me I have a new kitchen every five years and new carpets and new everything often.
We've gone from being more spiritual to almost totally materialistic and it might be comfortable but it's yet something else that has torn society apart.
Remember Maggie saying... there's no such thing as society? Meaning it's everyman for himself that will take us all to the top.
Turned out to not be so.
I sit outside supermarkets waiting for wife daughters etc to come out with their shopping and I people watch.
Not something I ever planned but noticed myself more and more doing.
I see fat tattooed men and women with their lips nailed on and their ears weighted down swearing at small children and pulling them about often screaming at them threatening them even and I think what are those children going to be like in a few years? These overweight over inked people are allowed to vote!
They mostly haven't a clue what they are doing or why and our leaders know this.
A once great nation has become a washed up corporate dystopia in many ways and many people haven't a clue how to feed and clothe themselves and their children properly... without the corporations and their chemical food like offerings.
I have a 20 year old grandson who tries his damdest to live the champagne lifestyle on a beer crate income.
Hundred quid tshirts two hundred quid pumps!
Girlfriend has said if she gets pregnant her mother will have to look after the baby because she doesn't have a clue how to... in other words she can't be arsed.
I've pleaded with my grandson to ditch the bitch but he still hasn't/wont.
My rant is basically to say we are poorer in every way imaginable in this modern high tech 21st century corporate world it's not just food and money.
It's not just the UK either.
The western world is crumbling.
The greatest systems ever built and they are crumbling so it doesn't surprise me that diseases are making a comeback children are going hungry old people are freezing... that last bit you'll not hear about till summer when we can look back at the figures but for now keep shtum. This winter I'm betting Frozen old people will be around 80,000. Welcome to the 21st century... it wasn't meant to be like this and didn't have to be.
The next devaluing of people comes with AI.
How we are going to deal with that I don't know!
Rant over.
-- Edited by jackthelad on Tuesday 23rd of January 2024 08:57:50 PM
I can't disagree with any of that. Makes you wonder if this is how our parents and grandparents thought as the world changed.
Digger said
Jan 24 10:03 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
There was a debate about poverty on the radio recently. Someone pointed out that it was cheaper to fill your kids up with fast food, sweets, crisps and biscuits, than it was to buy fresh fruit, fish and meat daily.
It's a lot cheaper to actually cook for a family. Plan, cook and freeze... a family can eat healthily and cheaply without resorting to take aways, which in my day, were a treat rather than the norm.
Having said that, fish and chips were not out of reach of most families...now they cost a bloody fortune.
It's not cheaper to fill your kids with fast food. It's easier. Lazy bastards.
jackthelad said
Jan 24 11:09 PM, 2024
UK farmers are receiving negligible payments from supermarkets for many of their produce items, yet supermarket food prices continue to rise and supermarkets show record profits. It’s time for the government to act and protect our farmers.
▪️An average block of cheese or loaf of bread produces less than a penny for farmers, and fruit producers do not fare much better, making just 3p from each kilo of apples.
▪️A cereal farmer spends 9.03p to produce a loaf of bread, yet makes just 0.09p in profit, despite a selling price of £1.14. For a loaf sold in an independent bakery, they make 0.5p profit.
▪️A packet of four beefburgers sold in a supermarket, the processor makes 10 times as much profit as the beef farmer, who makes less than a penny per packet. For a 480g pack of mild cheddar costing £2.50 in a supermarket, the dairy farmer’s costs are £1.48, and they make less than a penny in profit.
So while the supermarkets continue to increase food prices on the consumer during a cost of living crisis and show record profits, hardly any of the money we pay for our supermarket food ends up in the hands of the farmers. Farmers are producing the food on our table but getting very little reward. twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1750110928597594236Fasrmers right across Europe are holding the biggest longest protests in history but from what I hear the MSM are not reporting this. No wonder the WEF wantcontrol of what we see and say online.
The farmers have no other way of selling their produce other than to these Mafia life corporate food giants.
It is unsustainable and our food systems will be on the verge of collapse.
Again while the population struggles the corporates are bleeding us dry!
There's enough food and resources to support multiple planets but almost half the population of our little world goes to bed hungry.
We can't figure out a decent economic system a decent social system to deal with mans heroics and mans frailties.
Our food production is massively wasteful as is our engineering and technology creation.
We simply can't figure out an equitable way to live.
I tried to give a chicken to a food bank collection stall in the supermarket but they refused it, saying they can’t take fresh food. So that was me finished. xxxxxxx
Finished?
Well,it stands to reason that chickens go off quickly, so I can see the point of them refusing.
Tins and packeted foods are fine to donate.
I was shocked to see, in my local bank, a donation bin for women's sanitary products. It seems some women have to go without basic monthly products....it certain;y focuses the mind on how some are suffering.
I don't think half the world goes to bed hungry anymore..
For the first time on this planet, we are suffering the ill effects of being overfed.
Folks lives are being shortened from consuming too much, not too little.
If it was a live chicken, I'll bet 96% of the population couldn't turn that into a meal anyway.
Some key facts in terms of food scarcity and obesity. The world has been completely transformed in our lifetimes.
Hunger is worsening worldwide. As many as 828 million people — about 10% of the global population — regularly go to bed hungry. Economic shocks, extreme weather events, and conflicts like the war in Ukraine have restricted global food supplies, driven up prices, and presented a threat to vulnerable populations and countries.
Here are 10 important facts you should know about global hunger and food insecurity:
Here are 10 important facts you should know about global hunger and food insecurity:
Count me amongst the 96%...I would probably keep it as a pet.
Hunger is not getting worse.
Obesity is.
I can't disagree with any of that. Makes you wonder if this is how our parents and grandparents thought as the world changed.
It's not cheaper to fill your kids with fast food. It's easier. Lazy bastards.
▪️An average block of cheese or loaf of bread produces less than a penny for farmers, and fruit producers do not fare much better, making just 3p from each kilo of apples.
▪️A cereal farmer spends 9.03p to produce a loaf of bread, yet makes just 0.09p in profit, despite a selling price of £1.14. For a loaf sold in an independent bakery, they make 0.5p profit.
▪️A packet of four beefburgers sold in a supermarket, the processor makes 10 times as much profit as the beef farmer, who makes less than a penny per packet. For a 480g pack of mild cheddar costing £2.50 in a supermarket, the dairy farmer’s costs are £1.48, and they make less than a penny in profit.
So while the supermarkets continue to increase food prices on the consumer during a cost of living crisis and show record profits, hardly any of the money we pay for our supermarket food ends up in the hands of the farmers. Farmers are producing the food on our table but getting very little reward.
twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1750110928597594236Fasrmers right across Europe are holding the biggest longest protests in history but from what I hear the MSM are not reporting this. No wonder the WEF wantcontrol of what we see and say online.
The farmers have no other way of selling their produce other than to these Mafia life corporate food giants.
It is unsustainable and our food systems will be on the verge of collapse.
Again while the population struggles the corporates are bleeding us dry!
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