I don't want the state to decide...I want to decide myself. If I feel I won't be capable when the time comes, I will have it legally written down beforehand. Assisted dying should be up to the person...not the state.
Agreed.
Its just that the state is so intertwined in healthcare that it's hard to keep it all separate.
I fear for people who have no family to speak for them.
I know when my mum was in a care home nearing the end of her life, there were many residents who had no visitors, sometimes for the length of time they had been in there.
If no one cares enough to make the right choices for someone when they are incapable of making their own, if/when assisted dying is made legal, I can see people may be bumped off to save the state time and money.
There was this old woman in the care home where my husband's father was. She had really bad dementia and you could hear her screaming all over the place. One day we had to walk past her room on our way out, and I glanced in at her and she's leaning across the bed, reaching out to the doorway, snarling and gurning like an animal. It was like Linda Blair in the Exorcist. She had no family that would come to see her. It was truly awful. That poor woman.
Syl said
May 12 2:02 PM, 2024
It's awful the way some offspring abandon elderly parents.
When my mum died, she had some clothes she hadn't worn, or barely worn. We asked the carers if any of them could be used by other ladies in the home.
They were appreciative, saying some of the ladies who had been there, some for years, had never had visitors, so never had anyone to bring them new clothes in.
Maddog said
May 12 3:50 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
It's awful the way some offspring abandon elderly parents. When my mum died, she had some clothes she hadn't worn, or barely worn. We asked the carers if any of them could be used by other ladies in the home. They were appreciative, saying some of the ladies who had been there, some for years, had never had visitors, so never had anyone to bring them new clothes in.
This is going to get much worse with the current demographic changes. The number of people one generation behind us without kids is staggering.
Unless they have good friends or extended family they aren't going to have anyone looking out for them as they age.
Syl said
May 12 5:35 PM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It's awful the way some offspring abandon elderly parents. When my mum died, she had some clothes she hadn't worn, or barely worn. We asked the carers if any of them could be used by other ladies in the home. They were appreciative, saying some of the ladies who had been there, some for years, had never had visitors, so never had anyone to bring them new clothes in.
This is going to get much worse with the current demographic changes. The number of people one generation behind us without kids is staggering.
Unless they have good friends or extended family they aren't going to have anyone looking out for them as they age.
I know, it doesn't look good.
Also people move around, adults kids can be 100's of miles away from their parents now....and even if they are not, many don't want to care for elderly parents....we just don't live in that kind of social family environment anymore.
Syl said
May 14 12:15 PM, 2024
Another step closer.
The Isle of Man makes its own laws.
"The right for terminally ill people on the Isle of Man to be helped to die could be a step closer after crucial votes in its parliament on Tuesday.
Members will debate whether lethal drugs should be self-administered or given to those eligible by doctors.
The island could become the first part of the British Isles to pass assisted-dying legislation.
If royal assent is received next year, its first assisted death could come as soon as 2027.
Another crown dependency, Jersey, is set to vote on proposals next week, although it has yet to introduce a bill. Both islands set their own laws.
Dr Alex Allinson, a politician and doctor, introduced the private members' bill at Tynwald, the Isle of Man parliament.
He told the BBC that "fewer than a dozen" people a year would be expected to opt for an assisted death, which was now "a step closer" to becoming reality."
"The right for terminally ill people on the Isle of Man to be helped to die could be a step closer after crucial votes in its parliament on Tuesday.
Members will debate whether lethal drugs should be self-administered or given to those eligible by doctors.
The island could become the first part of the British Isles to pass assisted-dying legislation.
If royal assent is received next year, its first assisted death could come as soon as 2027.
Another crown dependency, Jersey, is set to vote on proposals next week, although it has yet to introduce a bill. Both islands set their own laws.
Dr Alex Allinson, a politician and doctor, introduced the private members' bill at Tynwald, the Isle of Man parliament.
He told the BBC that "fewer than a dozen" people a year would be expected to opt for an assisted death, which was now "a step closer" to becoming reality."
I hope it happens. It's heart breaking watching someone in pain terminal, wanting to die, and has to suffer. So wrong.
Syl said
May 15 11:56 AM, 2024
If the IOM, which sets their own laws, passes this, it will possibly have an effect on mainland UK.
Magica said
May 15 5:12 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
If the IOM, which sets their own laws, passes this, it will possibly have an effect on mainland UK.
Be good Syl.
If I'm dying, hey help me along. You would an animal, why not humans.
jackb said
May 15 5:19 PM, 2024
My mum died of cancer when I was 22.
I hated my father but I am convinced he killed my mum with a morphine overdose and for the first time in my life I found I had respect for him... because of this yes.
Magica said
May 15 5:26 PM, 2024
jackb wrote:
My mum died of cancer when I was 22. I hated my father but I am convinced he killed my mum with a morphine overdose and for the first time in my life I found I had respect for him... because of this yes.
Your dad did the best thing he could for your mum. His love and compassion helped him make the decision, which must have been hard.
I hope someone loves me enough to do this for me if needed.
jackb said
May 15 5:33 PM, 2024
Magica wrote:
jackb wrote:
My mum died of cancer when I was 22. I hated my father but I am convinced he killed my mum with a morphine overdose and for the first time in my life I found I had respect for him... because of this yes.
Your dad did the best thing he could for your mum. His love and compassion helped him make the decision, which must have been hard.
I hope someone loves me enough to do this for me if needed.
I had a phone call off him asking me could I get over to see my mum before she went... I said I can't get there for about three hours and he said ok call me before you get here.
She died in my arms and it wasn't till later that I thought how can that of just happened like that?
I realised it couldn't but at last my mums awful suffering had come to an end and not just for her.
Magica said
May 15 8:48 PM, 2024
jackb wrote:
Magica wrote:
jackb wrote:
My mum died of cancer when I was 22. I hated my father but I am convinced he killed my mum with a morphine overdose and for the first time in my life I found I had respect for him... because of this yes.
Your dad did the best thing he could for your mum. His love and compassion helped him make the decision, which must have been hard.
I hope someone loves me enough to do this for me if needed.
I had a phone call off him asking me could I get over to see my mum before she went... I said I can't get there for about three hours and he said ok call me before you get here.
She died in my arms and it wasn't till later that I thought how can that of just happened like that?
I realised it couldn't but at last my mums awful suffering had come to an end and not just for her.
Bless her. Your dad waited to let you hold her while she passed.
There was this old woman in the care home where my husband's father was. She had really bad dementia and you could hear her screaming all over the place. One day we had to walk past her room on our way out, and I glanced in at her and she's leaning across the bed, reaching out to the doorway, snarling and gurning like an animal. It was like Linda Blair in the Exorcist. She had no family that would come to see her. It was truly awful. That poor woman.
When my mum died, she had some clothes she hadn't worn, or barely worn. We asked the carers if any of them could be used by other ladies in the home.
They were appreciative, saying some of the ladies who had been there, some for years, had never had visitors, so never had anyone to bring them new clothes in.
This is going to get much worse with the current demographic changes. The number of people one generation behind us without kids is staggering.
Unless they have good friends or extended family they aren't going to have anyone looking out for them as they age.
I know, it doesn't look good.
Also people move around, adults kids can be 100's of miles away from their parents now....and even if they are not, many don't want to care for elderly parents....we just don't live in that kind of social family environment anymore.
Another step closer.
The Isle of Man makes its own laws.
"The right for terminally ill people on the Isle of Man to be helped to die could be a step closer after crucial votes in its parliament on Tuesday.
Members will debate whether lethal drugs should be self-administered or given to those eligible by doctors.
The island could become the first part of the British Isles to pass assisted-dying legislation.
If royal assent is received next year, its first assisted death could come as soon as 2027.
Another crown dependency, Jersey, is set to vote on proposals next week, although it has yet to introduce a bill. Both islands set their own laws.
Dr Alex Allinson, a politician and doctor, introduced the private members' bill at Tynwald, the Isle of Man parliament.
He told the BBC that "fewer than a dozen" people a year would be expected to opt for an assisted death, which was now "a step closer" to becoming reality."
Another step closer.
Isle of Man parliament to debate assisted-dying plans - BBC News
I hope it happens. It's heart breaking watching someone in pain terminal, wanting to die, and has to suffer. So wrong.
Be good Syl.
If I'm dying, hey help me along. You would an animal, why not humans.
I hated my father but I am convinced he killed my mum with a morphine overdose and for the first time in my life I found I had respect for him... because of this yes.
Your dad did the best thing he could for your mum. His love and compassion helped him make the decision, which must have been hard.
I hope someone loves me enough to do this for me if needed.
I had a phone call off him asking me could I get over to see my mum before she went... I said I can't get there for about three hours and he said ok call me before you get here.
She died in my arms and it wasn't till later that I thought how can that of just happened like that?
I realised it couldn't but at last my mums awful suffering had come to an end and not just for her.
Bless her. Your dad waited to let you hold her while she passed.