And children I believe are tuned in. Just my opinion of course
😊 That’s a lovely clip - thanks for sharing it.
I do have to gently question whether that little cutie may have been taking some cues from her Mum, who’s off-camera.
But overall, whatever it was she was so focused on, clearly delighted her. She even tried to break out of her stroller to get closer to what she was seeing/imagining. What sealed the deal for me was when she looked up with that ecstatic smile on her face, and started waving ‘bye bye’.
See, there’s mutinous demands for hard-evidence and science-based pragmatism. And then there’s an open-minded sense of wonder/imagination and not ruling out that anything can be possible.
Guess which I choose?….. (clue: pragmatism can be boring )
-- Edited by Vam on Tuesday 8th of July 2025 11:55:46 AM
Vam said
Jul 8 11:31 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
This thread is too deep for me now.
Well, you can always rely on me to keep it simple! 😂
Syl said
Jul 8 12:38 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
This thread is too deep for me now.
I think for some it's hard to grasp. I know we move on, I have no fear of death.
It's just like another dimension. Spirit is all around us.
It was the 'simulation theory' that did it.
I don't fear death (dont fancy suffering much beforehand, but death itself doesn't bother me) A couple of things have happened when loved ones have died that make me wonder....but, unlike you Mags, I have no real belief that life after death, exists.
My son did used to talk about his 'other mummy'when he was around 18 months old. He talked about a park, his hair, (I think he was a little girl in his mind when he spoke about this) but a few months later, he had forgotten. I did wonder at the time about reincarnation....and it is quite nice to think we could have another chance at life....but who knows?
Fluffy said
Jul 8 1:56 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
but electrons changing their behaviour when observed means that particles ,the very building blocks of life, do not behave the way they should. This definitely supports the idea of a simulation , which tbh I think is a rather dismal prospect.
Sorry to butt in on your conversation, but it's probably not so much a case of particles not behaving 'the way they should', but more a case of our lack of understanding of what they're up to. Probably not surprising as the quantum world behaves differently from the world we're used to.
You're not butting in! And you're right, we have a very limited understanding of how the world originated and what happens once we leave it All we can do is hope.
Fluffy said
Jul 8 2:09 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
And children I believe are tuned in. Just my opinion of course
😊 That’s a lovely clip - thanks for sharing it.
I do have to gently question whether that little cutie may have been taking some cues from her Mum, who’s off-camera.
But overall, whatever it was she was so focused on, clearly delighted her. She even tried to break out of her stroller to get closer to what she was seeing/imagining. What sealed the deal for me was when she looked up with that ecstatic smile on her face, and started waving ‘bye bye’.
See, there’s mutinous demands for hard-evidence and science-based pragmatism. And then there’s an open-minded sense of wonder/imagination and not ruling out that anything can be possible.
Guess which I choose?….. (clue: pragmatism can be boring )
-- Edited by Vam on Tuesday 8th of July 2025 11:55:46 AM
I really really hope that wasn't manipulated because it was a beautiful clip! She did appear to be very animated and very happy at what she was seeing. As you say, it's like she was trying to wave her hands in return to someone.
I believe anything is possible because there is SO much we don't know..We don't even activate all of our brain, parts lay dormant and just unused.
As I said to the Anon, people can speculate all they want and it's interesting to do so but at the end of the day all we can do is hope we will see our loved ones again . We will never know for sure.
Fluffy said
Jul 8 2:11 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
This thread is too deep for me now.
I think for some it's hard to grasp. I know we move on, I have no fear of death.
It's just like another dimension. Spirit is all around us.
It was the 'simulation theory' that did it.
I don't fear death (dont fancy suffering much beforehand, but death itself doesn't bother me) A couple of things have happened when loved ones have died that make me wonder....but, unlike you Mags, I have no real belief that life after death, exists.
My son did used to talk about his 'other mummy'when he was around 18 months old. He talked about a park, his hair, (I think he was a little girl in his mind when he spoke about this) but a few months later, he had forgotten. I did wonder at the time about reincarnation....and it is quite nice to think we could have another chance at life....but who knows?
I fear death a bit. I think I will be very afraid when the time comes.
Barksdale said
Jul 8 2:55 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
If our free will is limited it could also be because we are predisposed to act or think in a particular way - which might suggest our freedom of choice is limited by our own personal characteristics rather than by a mad scientist plugging thoughts into our heads (which I think is what the simulation theory is?)
On top of that - (or maybe it's the same thing expressed differently) - although we like to think that we're in control of what we think or do, our unconscious minds have a strong driving force over our behaviour, so that a lot of our apparent choices happen automatically with no or very little conscious control.
Sure there are a number of different reasons to explain why our free will is limited, not because the nature of our observed reality is a digital construct and we are all just characters in some computer simulation being controlled by aliens or some mad scientist. We could be seen as programmed biological machines who acts according to our natural make up and rationalise away those actions using thoughts.
Might be easier if I expand on this in a reply to Fluffy about Schrodinger's Cat a bit later.
Barksdale said
Jul 8 3:06 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
I am hoping you can elaborate on the implications of the observer effect which is highlighted strongly in the "double slit" experiment . Metaphysics is not my strong point which I'm sure surprises you greatly (!) but electrons changing their behaviour when observed means that particles ,the very building blocks of life, do not behave the way they should. This definitely supports the idea of a simulation , which tbh I think is a rather dismal prospect.
But on the flip side at last it is evidence that SOMETHING is going on behind the cosmic scenes that the nay sayers have to consider.
I think you are referring to the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment which as Anon mentions a bit later on is more about the conflict between the strange rules which govern the quantum realm in contrast with our experience of a predictable physical world governed by definite rules.
The simulation theory is a bit different as it suggests that we are living in a computer simulations where our observed reality is just digital constructs - kind of like what you would see in the matrix. We could all just be avatars in a computer game being played by alien children.
The point I was making about free will is that some of things we believe to be true and observe may just be illusions. fMRI brain scans show that thought follows shortly after actions. So, when I pick up a cup from a table the thought "I want to pick up the cup" comes very shortly after my body starts moving to undertake the action. So, if I did not consciously choose to do so (because if I did the thought would come before the action) then who did? Maybe someone or something else is actually controlling me.
There's a number of possible reasons for that however.
Magica said
Jul 8 5:09 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
This thread is too deep for me now.
I think for some it's hard to grasp. I know we move on, I have no fear of death.
It's just like another dimension. Spirit is all around us.
It was the 'simulation theory' that did it.
I don't fear death (dont fancy suffering much beforehand, but death itself doesn't bother me) A couple of things have happened when loved ones have died that make me wonder....but, unlike you Mags, I have no real belief that life after death, exists.
My son did used to talk about his 'other mummy'when he was around 18 months old. He talked about a park, his hair, (I think he was a little girl in his mind when he spoke about this) but a few months later, he had forgotten. I did wonder at the time about reincarnation....and it is quite nice to think we could have another chance at life....but who knows?
I fear death a bit. I think I will be very afraid when the time comes.
Syl, yes he remembered a past life, but as time goes on he forgot. My youngest daughter used to wake up crying for her mum, fighting as if in a fire. I used to just hold her, but she wanted her mum, I said I am your mind, but she never recognised me. Her eyes were open but not registering me, still asleep, I think.
Fluffs, there really isn't anything to fear, you just pass over. Peacefully.
Digger said
Jul 9 1:01 PM, 2025
I think 90 percent of so called paranormal phenomena is explainable but people see what they want to see or feel etc. The popularity of a raft of Ghost Hunting programmes is testimony to that. Everyone Tom, Dick and Houdini wants to go out with a camera and prove or debunk the afterlife. They think a bagful of silly gadgets is going to get them the evidence. It's all bollocks.
My personal experiences won't allow me to disbelieve in other dimensions, one of which is what we call the 'spirit world'. The key word here is 'personal'. If you've had absolutely no experiences or contact with these other dimensions/phenomena and/or you're closed off to it, then nobody can ever prove to you that it exists. People who don't believe will always find ways to disprove or scientifically explain away even the most profound phenomena. Just as people desperate to believe will find what they want in all and everything.
Vam said
Jul 9 3:30 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
I think 90 percent of so called paranormal phenomena is explainable but people see what they want to see or feel etc. The popularity of a raft of Ghost Hunting programmes is testimony to that. Everyone Tom, Dick and Houdini wants to go out with a camera and prove or debunk the afterlife. They think a bagful of silly gadgets is going to get them the evidence. It's all bollocks.
My personal experiences won't allow me to disbelieve in other dimensions, one of which is what we call the 'spirit world'. The key word here is 'personal'. If you've had absolutely no experiences or contact with these other dimensions/phenomena and/or you're closed off to it, then nobody can ever prove to you that it exists. People who don't believe will always find ways to disprove or scientifically explain away even the most profound phenomena. Just as people desperate to believe will find what they want in all and everything.
I‘ve been waiting for your take on this subject, because I’ve occasionally seen you be ‘Twilight Zone-y’ and spookily intuitive.
As usual, you’ve nailed it 👏🏻👏🏻
Fluffy said
Jul 9 7:55 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I am hoping you can elaborate on the implications of the observer effect which is highlighted strongly in the "double slit" experiment . Metaphysics is not my strong point which I'm sure surprises you greatly (!) but electrons changing their behaviour when observed means that particles ,the very building blocks of life, do not behave the way they should. This definitely supports the idea of a simulation , which tbh I think is a rather dismal prospect.
But on the flip side at last it is evidence that SOMETHING is going on behind the cosmic scenes that the nay sayers have to consider.
I think you are referring to the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment which as Anon mentions a bit later on is more about the conflict between the strange rules which govern the quantum realm in contrast with our experience of a predictable physical world governed by definite rules.
The simulation theory is a bit different as it suggests that we are living in a computer simulations where our observed reality is just digital constructs - kind of like what you would see in the matrix. We could all just be avatars in a computer game being played by alien children.
The point I was making about free will is that some of things we believe to be true and observe may just be illusions. fMRI brain scans show that thought follows shortly after actions. So, when I pick up a cup from a table the thought "I want to pick up the cup" comes very shortly after my body starts moving to undertake the action. So, if I did not consciously choose to do so (because if I did the thought would come before the action) then who did? Maybe someone or something else is actually controlling me.
There's a number of possible reasons for that however.
I was referring to a recent experiment that won the Nobel Prize that prove electrons move differently when they think they are not being observed.
I assumed you would know about it and help me understand it ! If you Google "double slit experiment" when you have a mo, it's easy to find. It has huge implications in metaphysics. I have attempted to copy a link to a page about it.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 9th of July 2025 09:21:34 PM
Fluffy said
Jul 9 8:04 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
This thread is too deep for me now.
I think for some it's hard to grasp. I know we move on, I have no fear of death.
It's just like another dimension. Spirit is all around us.
It was the 'simulation theory' that did it.
I don't fear death (dont fancy suffering much beforehand, but death itself doesn't bother me) A couple of things have happened when loved ones have died that make me wonder....but, unlike you Mags, I have no real belief that life after death, exists.
My son did used to talk about his 'other mummy'when he was around 18 months old. He talked about a park, his hair, (I think he was a little girl in his mind when he spoke about this) but a few months later, he had forgotten. I did wonder at the time about reincarnation....and it is quite nice to think we could have another chance at life....but who knows?
I fear death a bit. I think I will be very afraid when the time comes.
Fluffs, there really isn't anything to fear, you just pass over. Peacefully.
I really hope that's true..But when people have passed they never look at peace. When the residents passed in the care home I worked for it upset me greatly. Often they were ailing and I suppose it was their time. But some had been so afraid and one lady was hallucinating (I think) saying there was a dark man looking at her from the corner of the room.
I just don't think I have had positive experiences concerning death. But thank you for your kind words Mags, I really hope you're right. xx
Anonymous said
Jul 10 7:45 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I am hoping you can elaborate on the implications of the observer effect which is highlighted strongly in the "double slit" experiment . Metaphysics is not my strong point which I'm sure surprises you greatly (!) but electrons changing their behaviour when observed means that particles ,the very building blocks of life, do not behave the way they should. This definitely supports the idea of a simulation , which tbh I think is a rather dismal prospect.
But on the flip side at last it is evidence that SOMETHING is going on behind the cosmic scenes that the nay sayers have to consider.
I think you are referring to the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment which as Anon mentions a bit later on is more about the conflict between the strange rules which govern the quantum realm in contrast with our experience of a predictable physical world governed by definite rules.
The simulation theory is a bit different as it suggests that we are living in a computer simulations where our observed reality is just digital constructs - kind of like what you would see in the matrix. We could all just be avatars in a computer game being played by alien children.
The point I was making about free will is that some of things we believe to be true and observe may just be illusions. fMRI brain scans show that thought follows shortly after actions. So, when I pick up a cup from a table the thought "I want to pick up the cup" comes very shortly after my body starts moving to undertake the action. So, if I did not consciously choose to do so (because if I did the thought would come before the action) then who did? Maybe someone or something else is actually controlling me.
There's a number of possible reasons for that however.
I was referring to a recent experiment that won the Nobel Prize that prove electrons move differently when they think they are not being observed.
I assumed you would know about it and help me understand it ! If you Google "double slit experiment" when you have a mo, it's easy to find. It has huge implications in metaphysics. I have attempted to copy a link to a page about it.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 9th of July 2025 09:21:34 PM
I wish both of you the best of luck with that! If it's any reassurance, even quantum physicists don't understand what's going on. As one once said - if someone tells you they understand quantum behaviour, it means they don't understand it.
Digger said
Jul 10 2:45 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I am hoping you can elaborate on the implications of the observer effect which is highlighted strongly in the "double slit" experiment . Metaphysics is not my strong point which I'm sure surprises you greatly (!) but electrons changing their behaviour when observed means that particles ,the very building blocks of life, do not behave the way they should. This definitely supports the idea of a simulation , which tbh I think is a rather dismal prospect.
But on the flip side at last it is evidence that SOMETHING is going on behind the cosmic scenes that the nay sayers have to consider.
I think you are referring to the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment which as Anon mentions a bit later on is more about the conflict between the strange rules which govern the quantum realm in contrast with our experience of a predictable physical world governed by definite rules.
The simulation theory is a bit different as it suggests that we are living in a computer simulations where our observed reality is just digital constructs - kind of like what you would see in the matrix. We could all just be avatars in a computer game being played by alien children.
The point I was making about free will is that some of things we believe to be true and observe may just be illusions. fMRI brain scans show that thought follows shortly after actions. So, when I pick up a cup from a table the thought "I want to pick up the cup" comes very shortly after my body starts moving to undertake the action. So, if I did not consciously choose to do so (because if I did the thought would come before the action) then who did? Maybe someone or something else is actually controlling me.
There's a number of possible reasons for that however.
I was referring to a recent experiment that won the Nobel Prize that prove electrons move differently when they think they are not being observed.
I assumed you would know about it and help me understand it ! If you Google "double slit experiment" when you have a mo, it's easy to find. It has huge implications in metaphysics. I have attempted to copy a link to a page about it.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 9th of July 2025 09:21:34 PM
I saw a documentary about this. That article states...
These experiments suggest that reality is not set in stone. Events may not have definite outcomes until the full context—including future measurements—is taken into account. Time itself may not be as linear or unidirectional as we think.
Now, I've always had a hunch that it's us that move through time not the other way around. Technically, there is no linear time apart from what we create. There's certainly no time in the spirit world. I believe in reincarnation and I think we can choose where in time we wish to live further lives.
Fluffy said
Jul 12 10:55 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I am hoping you can elaborate on the implications of the observer effect which is highlighted strongly in the "double slit" experiment . Metaphysics is not my strong point which I'm sure surprises you greatly (!) but electrons changing their behaviour when observed means that particles ,the very building blocks of life, do not behave the way they should. This definitely supports the idea of a simulation , which tbh I think is a rather dismal prospect.
But on the flip side at last it is evidence that SOMETHING is going on behind the cosmic scenes that the nay sayers have to consider.
I think you are referring to the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment which as Anon mentions a bit later on is more about the conflict between the strange rules which govern the quantum realm in contrast with our experience of a predictable physical world governed by definite rules.
The simulation theory is a bit different as it suggests that we are living in a computer simulations where our observed reality is just digital constructs - kind of like what you would see in the matrix. We could all just be avatars in a computer game being played by alien children.
The point I was making about free will is that some of things we believe to be true and observe may just be illusions. fMRI brain scans show that thought follows shortly after actions. So, when I pick up a cup from a table the thought "I want to pick up the cup" comes very shortly after my body starts moving to undertake the action. So, if I did not consciously choose to do so (because if I did the thought would come before the action) then who did? Maybe someone or something else is actually controlling me.
There's a number of possible reasons for that however.
I was referring to a recent experiment that won the Nobel Prize that prove electrons move differently when they think they are not being observed.
I assumed you would know about it and help me understand it ! If you Google "double slit experiment" when you have a mo, it's easy to find. It has huge implications in metaphysics. I have attempted to copy a link to a page about it.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 9th of July 2025 09:21:34 PM
I wish both of you the best of luck with that! If it's any reassurance, even quantum physicists don't understand what's going on. As one once said - if someone tells you they understand quantum behaviour, it means they don't understand it.
It does reassure me so thanks Anon because I tried to fathom many YouTube videos on the subject and whoosh, it went over my head and was a pain in the rear trying to follow! Avon is an intelligent bloke so I assumed he would know all about this but in fairness he doesn't come on the forum to explain concepts to me! He's been too polite to tell me "Google is your friend!"
I do understand the double slit experiment but that's as far as it goes. It's exciting to know things are not what they seem.
Fluffy said
Jul 12 11:11 AM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I am hoping you can elaborate on the implications of the observer effect which is highlighted strongly in the "double slit" experiment . Metaphysics is not my strong point which I'm sure surprises you greatly (!) but electrons changing their behaviour when observed means that particles ,the very building blocks of life, do not behave the way they should. This definitely supports the idea of a simulation , which tbh I think is a rather dismal prospect.
But on the flip side at last it is evidence that SOMETHING is going on behind the cosmic scenes that the nay sayers have to consider.
I think you are referring to the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment which as Anon mentions a bit later on is more about the conflict between the strange rules which govern the quantum realm in contrast with our experience of a predictable physical world governed by definite rules.
The simulation theory is a bit different as it suggests that we are living in a computer simulations where our observed reality is just digital constructs - kind of like what you would see in the matrix. We could all just be avatars in a computer game being played by alien children.
The point I was making about free will is that some of things we believe to be true and observe may just be illusions. fMRI brain scans show that thought follows shortly after actions. So, when I pick up a cup from a table the thought "I want to pick up the cup" comes very shortly after my body starts moving to undertake the action. So, if I did not consciously choose to do so (because if I did the thought would come before the action) then who did? Maybe someone or something else is actually controlling me.
There's a number of possible reasons for that however.
I was referring to a recent experiment that won the Nobel Prize that prove electrons move differently when they think they are not being observed.
I assumed you would know about it and help me understand it ! If you Google "double slit experiment" when you have a mo, it's easy to find. It has huge implications in metaphysics. I have attempted to copy a link to a page about it.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 9th of July 2025 09:21:34 PM
I saw a documentary about this. That article states...
These experiments suggest that reality is not set in stone. Events may not have definite outcomes until the full context—including future measurements—is taken into account. Time itself may not be as linear or unidirectional as we think.
Now, I've always had a hunch that it's us that move through time not the other way around. Technically, there is no linear time apart from what we create. There's certainly no time in the spirit world. I believe in reincarnation and I think we can choose where in time we wish to live further lives.
Thankyou for replying as I was curious about your take on this. I used to think when I was young there is something we have to "learn" on our journey, and if we don't we will have to live that life again until we figure it out.
But when I considered those dying from famine in other countries I realised my theory sounded like first world entitlement. I'm surrounded by comfort so I have the luxury to even think about such things, people starving in the third world can only think about trying to get water and enough food to live. According to my adolescent theory, those people have chosen to live that life of famine ,despair and inequality. That sounded not just unlikely but condescending to so from then on I decided you are born, live your life and then you pass on. No meaning attached.
It's not what I want to believe though. I envy you for having personal experiences that gave you insight. Like you say, some people are receptive and others simply aren't.
Digger said
Jul 12 12:42 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 9th of July 2025 09:21:34 PM
I saw a documentary about this. That article states...
These experiments suggest that reality is not set in stone. Events may not have definite outcomes until the full context—including future measurements—is taken into account. Time itself may not be as linear or unidirectional as we think.
Now, I've always had a hunch that it's us that move through time not the other way around. Technically, there is no linear time apart from what we create. There's certainly no time in the spirit world. I believe in reincarnation and I think we can choose where in time we wish to live further lives.
Thankyou for replying as I was curious about your take on this. I used to think when I was young there is something we have to "learn" on our journey, and if we don't we will have to live that life again until we figure it out.
But when I considered those dying from famine in other countries I realised my theory sounded like first world entitlement. I'm surrounded by comfort so I have the luxury to even think about such things, people starving in the third world can only think about trying to get water and enough food to live. According to my adolescent theory, those people have chosen to live that life of famine ,despair and inequality. That sounded not just unlikely but condescending to so from then on I decided you are born, live your life and then you pass on. No meaning attached.
It's not what I want to believe though. I envy you for having personal experiences that gave you insight. Like you say, some people are receptive and others simply aren't.
Some of the brightest and most evolved souls have the hardest challenges in life. So who are you, or I, to pity them? There are no doubt people who might look at your life and choices or mine, and feel sorry for us believing we have terrible lives. Sadly, most of the bad things that happen on this planet are man made. Nothing to do with 'God'.
Anonymous said
Jul 12 4:57 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
I do understand the double slit experiment but that's as far as it goes. It's exciting to know things are not what they seem.
You've raised an interesting philosophical question there, and it's not just at the quantum level that things aren't what they seem. Actually there's something similar happening with the normal world around us we think we're familiar with.
It seems there are all kinds of unconscious projections going on we're unaware of, that lead us to assume that objects have certain properties, whereas those properties are created within us even though they appear to be part of what we're looking at. Colour is just one example of that. There is no 'red' in a red rose even though it looks as if it's red. The 'red' is created inside us.
In fact for centuries there has been debate around whether we can ever know what external reality is, given that all we can know about it is a picture that's delivered via our limited senses - it's as if we see something on a screen but can never know what's behind the screen.
Fluffy said
Jul 12 6:26 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 9th of July 2025 09:21:34 PM
I saw a documentary about this. That article states...
These experiments suggest that reality is not set in stone. Events may not have definite outcomes until the full context—including future measurements—is taken into account. Time itself may not be as linear or unidirectional as we think.
Now, I've always had a hunch that it's us that move through time not the other way around. Technically, there is no linear time apart from what we create. There's certainly no time in the spirit world. I believe in reincarnation and I think we can choose where in time we wish to live further lives.
Thankyou for replying as I was curious about your take on this. I used to think when I was young there is something we have to "learn" on our journey, and if we don't we will have to live that life again until we figure it out.
But when I considered those dying from famine in other countries I realised my theory sounded like first world entitlement. I'm surrounded by comfort so I have the luxury to even think about such things, people starving in the third world can only think about trying to get water and enough food to live. According to my adolescent theory, those people have chosen to live that life of famine ,despair and inequality. That sounded not just unlikely but condescending to so from then on I decided you are born, live your life and then you pass on. No meaning attached.
It's not what I want to believe though. I envy you for having personal experiences that gave you insight. Like you say, some people are receptive and others simply aren't.
Some of the brightest and most evolved souls have the hardest challenges in life. So who are you, or I, to pity them? There are no doubt people who might look at your life and choices or mine, and feel sorry for us believing we have terrible lives. Sadly, most of the bad things that happen on this planet are man made. Nothing to do with 'God'.
That's certainly true. Poverty could be ended quickly enough if the powers that be consider it a priority but they don't. Profit margins are the priority. I think people will look back at this time, Trump in charge, ditto Boris who couldn't actually govern and of course the Pandemic and genuinely wonder if we had all gone mad and just didn't know.
😊 That’s a lovely clip - thanks for sharing it.
I do have to gently question whether that little cutie may have been taking some cues from her Mum, who’s off-camera.
But overall, whatever it was she was so focused on, clearly delighted her. She even tried to break out of her stroller to get closer to what she was seeing/imagining. What sealed the deal for me was when she looked up with that ecstatic smile on her face, and started waving ‘bye bye’.
See, there’s mutinous demands for hard-evidence and science-based pragmatism. And then there’s an open-minded sense of wonder/imagination and not ruling out that anything can be possible.
Guess which I choose?….. (clue: pragmatism can be boring
)
-- Edited by Vam on Tuesday 8th of July 2025 11:55:46 AM
Well, you can always rely on me to keep it simple! 😂
It was the 'simulation theory' that did it.
I don't fear death (dont fancy suffering much beforehand, but death itself doesn't bother me) A couple of things have happened when loved ones have died that make me wonder....but, unlike you Mags, I have no real belief that life after death, exists.
My son did used to talk about his 'other mummy'when he was around 18 months old. He talked about a park, his hair, (I think he was a little girl in his mind when he spoke about this) but a few months later, he had forgotten. I did wonder at the time about reincarnation....and it is quite nice to think we could have another chance at life....but who knows?
You're not butting in! And you're right, we have a very limited understanding of how the world originated and what happens once we leave it All we can do is hope.
I really really hope that wasn't manipulated because it was a beautiful clip! She did appear to be very animated and very happy at what she was seeing. As you say, it's like she was trying to wave her hands in return to someone.
I believe anything is possible because there is SO much we don't know..We don't even activate all of our brain, parts lay dormant and just unused.
As I said to the Anon, people can speculate all they want and it's interesting to do so but at the end of the day all we can do is hope we will see our loved ones again . We will never know for sure.
I fear death a bit. I think I will be very afraid when the time comes.
Sure there are a number of different reasons to explain why our free will is limited, not because the nature of our observed reality is a digital construct and we are all just characters in some computer simulation being controlled by aliens or some mad scientist. We could be seen as programmed biological machines who acts according to our natural make up and rationalise away those actions using thoughts.
Might be easier if I expand on this in a reply to Fluffy about Schrodinger's Cat a bit later.
I think you are referring to the Schrodinger's Cat thought experiment which as Anon mentions a bit later on is more about the conflict between the strange rules which govern the quantum realm in contrast with our experience of a predictable physical world governed by definite rules.
The simulation theory is a bit different as it suggests that we are living in a computer simulations where our observed reality is just digital constructs - kind of like what you would see in the matrix. We could all just be avatars in a computer game being played by alien children.
The point I was making about free will is that some of things we believe to be true and observe may just be illusions. fMRI brain scans show that thought follows shortly after actions. So, when I pick up a cup from a table the thought "I want to pick up the cup" comes very shortly after my body starts moving to undertake the action. So, if I did not consciously choose to do so (because if I did the thought would come before the action) then who did? Maybe someone or something else is actually controlling me.
There's a number of possible reasons for that however.
Syl, yes he remembered a past life, but as time goes on he forgot. My youngest daughter used to wake up crying for her mum, fighting as if in a fire. I used to just hold her, but she wanted her mum, I said I am your mind, but she never recognised me. Her eyes were open but not registering me, still asleep, I think.
Fluffs, there really isn't anything to fear, you just pass over. Peacefully.
I think 90 percent of so called paranormal phenomena is explainable but people see what they want to see or feel etc. The popularity of a raft of Ghost Hunting programmes is testimony to that. Everyone Tom, Dick and Houdini wants to go out with a camera and prove or debunk the afterlife. They think a bagful of silly gadgets is going to get them the evidence. It's all bollocks.
My personal experiences won't allow me to disbelieve in other dimensions, one of which is what we call the 'spirit world'. The key word here is 'personal'. If you've had absolutely no experiences or contact with these other dimensions/phenomena and/or you're closed off to it, then nobody can ever prove to you that it exists. People who don't believe will always find ways to disprove or scientifically explain away even the most profound phenomena. Just as people desperate to believe will find what they want in all and everything.
I‘ve been waiting for your take on this subject, because I’ve occasionally seen you be ‘Twilight Zone-y’ and spookily intuitive.
As usual, you’ve nailed it 👏🏻👏🏻
I was referring to a recent experiment that won the Nobel Prize that prove electrons move differently when they think they are not being observed.
I assumed you would know about it and help me understand it ! If you Google "double slit experiment" when you have a mo, it's easy to find. It has huge implications in metaphysics. I have attempted to copy a link to a page about it.
https://www.sciencenewstoday.org/the-double-slit-experiment-how-physics-proves-observation-changes-reality
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 9th of July 2025 09:21:34 PM
I really hope that's true..But when people have passed they never look at peace. When the residents passed in the care home I worked for it upset me greatly. Often they were ailing and I suppose it was their time. But some had been so afraid and one lady was hallucinating (I think) saying there was a dark man looking at her from the corner of the room.
I just don't think I have had positive experiences concerning death. But thank you for your kind words Mags, I really hope you're right. xx
I wish both of you the best of luck with that! If it's any reassurance, even quantum physicists don't understand what's going on. As one once said - if someone tells you they understand quantum behaviour, it means they don't understand it.
I saw a documentary about this. That article states...
These experiments suggest that reality is not set in stone. Events may not have definite outcomes until the full context—including future measurements—is taken into account. Time itself may not be as linear or unidirectional as we think.
Now, I've always had a hunch that it's us that move through time not the other way around. Technically, there is no linear time apart from what we create. There's certainly no time in the spirit world. I believe in reincarnation and I think we can choose where in time we wish to live further lives.
It does reassure me so thanks Anon because I tried to fathom many YouTube videos on the subject and whoosh, it went over my head and was a pain in the rear trying to follow!
Avon is an intelligent bloke so I assumed he would know all about this but in fairness he doesn't come on the forum to explain concepts to me! He's been too polite to tell me "Google is your friend!"
I do understand the double slit experiment but that's as far as it goes. It's exciting to know things are not what they seem.
Thankyou for replying as I was curious about your take on this. I used to think when I was young there is something we have to "learn" on our journey, and if we don't we will have to live that life again until we figure it out.
But when I considered those dying from famine in other countries I realised my theory sounded like first world entitlement. I'm surrounded by comfort so I have the luxury to even think about such things, people starving in the third world can only think about trying to get water and enough food to live. According to my adolescent theory, those people have chosen to live that life of famine ,despair and inequality. That sounded not just unlikely but condescending to so from then on I decided you are born, live your life and then you pass on. No meaning attached.
It's not what I want to believe though. I envy you for having personal experiences that gave you insight. Like you say, some people are receptive and others simply aren't.
Some of the brightest and most evolved souls have the hardest challenges in life. So who are you, or I, to pity them? There are no doubt people who might look at your life and choices or mine, and feel sorry for us believing we have terrible lives. Sadly, most of the bad things that happen on this planet are man made. Nothing to do with 'God'.
You've raised an interesting philosophical question there, and it's not just at the quantum level that things aren't what they seem. Actually there's something similar happening with the normal world around us we think we're familiar with.
It seems there are all kinds of unconscious projections going on we're unaware of, that lead us to assume that objects have certain properties, whereas those properties are created within us even though they appear to be part of what we're looking at. Colour is just one example of that. There is no 'red' in a red rose even though it looks as if it's red. The 'red' is created inside us.
In fact for centuries there has been debate around whether we can ever know what external reality is, given that all we can know about it is a picture that's delivered via our limited senses - it's as if we see something on a screen but can never know what's behind the screen.
That's certainly true. Poverty could be ended quickly enough if the powers that be consider it a priority but they don't. Profit margins are the priority. I think people will look back at this time, Trump in charge, ditto Boris who couldn't actually govern and of course the Pandemic and genuinely wonder if we had all gone mad and just didn't know.