Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.
They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.
Or maybe that's just me.
I don't generally like the "women are their own worst enemies" trope as it comes across as gaslighting sometimes - women cannot trust their emotional or intellectual response to a given situation and therefore need the guidance of someone else (usually a man or a woman who thinks male traits are elevated) to work things out.
Maddog has posted some interesting research but to me the broader theme is competition for status and resources. Both men and women engage in this behaviour, except in different ways.
Just as an aside, what this topic highlights to me is how important it is in life to have people you love you can respectfully disagree with you and point out a different path. We all have our blindspots so a true and honest friend who helps you identify them helps your life improve.
You raised daughters, just like me. Did you never notice how 2 girls could have a sleep over and be fine, while 3 created problems?
And that's with girls who are friends.
I think my articles are more than just interesting, but they go deep into analyzing the interactions between females.
I guess it's just psychobabble to many. Can't compete with their anecdotal evidence that is so clouded by their bias that they can't even see what they are doing, when they do it..
Maddog said
Jul 23 2:11 AM, 2025
More psychobabble.....😉
"There are endless examples of physically attractive girls being bullied by other girls, and parents regularly share such stories on social media. One North Shore Chicago mother of a girl who modeled professionally spoke of the frequency with which her daughter has been told that she is ugly and that she should kill herself. Swedish supermodel Paulina Porizkova reports that she was bullied mercilessly throughout her childhood. Model/actress Brittany Mason, a former “Miss Indiana,” thought about killing herself to escape her peers' gossip and bullying: At a homecoming rally at her high school, for example, a group created a poster with her picture on it and waved it around while chanting, “You are ugly.”"
Maddog said
Jul 23 2:21 AM, 2025
"Our research examined these two opposing views by conducting three complementary studies. These studies involved rather large samples, surveying between 400 and over 600 U.S. employees per study, across a variety of service operations and time periods. In each study, we consistently found that women reported experiencing more incivility from other women than from their male coworkers. Examples of this incivility included being addressed in unprofessional terms, having derogatory comments directed toward them, being put down in a condescending way, and being ignored or excluded from professional camaraderie."
I was reading elsewhere that there is a theory that women tend to want to get along and work together as equals, but when one begins to pull away from the pack, hard feelings erupt and they get nasty.
Boys aren't nearly as cooperative and handle the stress of competition better, so they don't develop the same attitude when one pulls away from the group. Whether it's a female or another male..
Digger said
Jul 23 10:13 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
"Our research examined these two opposing views by conducting three complementary studies. These studies involved rather large samples, surveying between 400 and over 600 U.S. employees per study, across a variety of service operations and time periods. In each study, we consistently found that women reported experiencing more incivility from other women than from their male coworkers. Examples of this incivility included being addressed in unprofessional terms, having derogatory comments directed toward them, being put down in a condescending way, and being ignored or excluded from professional camaraderie."
I was reading elsewhere that there is a theory that women tend to want to get along and work together as equals, but when one begins to pull away from the pack, hard feelings erupt and they get nasty.
Boys aren't nearly as cooperative and handle the stress of competition better, so they don't develop the same attitude when one pulls away from the group. Whether it's a female or another male..
Put it this way....in all my years of working, I'd much rather work with men.
Vam said
Jul 23 10:58 AM, 2025
Whilst research or a targeted study can be interesting and informative, it can sometimes include sweeping generalisations (imo).
Posturing schoolyard Mean Girls aside, most rational women simply take people as they find them. It’s not in my nature to be gratuitously mean to someone for no reason.
By the way, men can also be among the bitchiest gossipy fishwives too! 😂 There’s a group of guys in my circle of friends who often get together for a few beers and some ‘boys only‘ quality time. If I want to know the latest goss on any issue within our circle, I just ask them 😂
Speaking of gratuitous meanness, probably one of the worst examples of verbal abuse I’ve ever seen online came from none other than our own MD. Whilst I didn’t particularly like the woman he aimed it at, and could certainly see how she needled and provoked him, the level of merciless verbal viciousness he let rip at her really was staggering.
Red Okktober said
Jul 23 11:13 AM, 2025
Talking of 'yes friends' and I'm sure this is more of a woman's thing than a man's.
I've never used Facebook, as I cannot stand the concept of it, but when female members of my family have shown me some of the messages on there, I see things like someone getting a haircut or having their nails done, and loads of messages along the lines of 'you look great babes' 'oh lovely' etc etc.
Now while the person may indeed look great, do they need to be told it? And why was the pic put up in the first place - fishing for compliments?
Of course not every haircut does look great, but I suspect they are still told that it does. Who gets what out of it? Does it bolster confidence in the person posting the pic, or make the person paying the compliment feel good about themselves for 'being nice'? Or could it be that they are obligated to pay a compliment because the other person once paid them one?
It all seems extremely shallow and a complete waste of time, yet loads of (mainly) women go through this process every day! I also suspect that many of them are privately having belly laughs at some of the pics that they have complimented
Syl said
Jul 23 11:19 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
More psychobabble.....😉
"There are endless examples of physically attractive girls being bullied by other girls, and parents regularly share such stories on social media. One North Shore Chicago mother of a girl who modeled professionally spoke of the frequency with which her daughter has been told that she is ugly and that she should kill herself. Swedish supermodel Paulina Porizkova reports that she was bullied mercilessly throughout her childhood. Model/actress Brittany Mason, a former “Miss Indiana,” thought about killing herself to escape her peers' gossip and bullying: At a homecoming rally at her high school, for example, a group created a poster with her picture on it and waved it around while chanting, “You are ugly.”"
Of course some females can be jealous of other women they see as more attractive, successful/whatever, but it's not the norm, certainly not in my experience.
Obviously, social media will highlight those stories of mean girls. The females (millions of them) who are not bullied, won't bother telling social media they are NOT bullied, will they?
Maddog, you have pretty daughters, an attractive girlfriend, an ex wife, did they act like that to other women.
Considering you are surrounded by women, you seem to have a really bad opinion of us.
Vam said
Jul 23 11:22 AM, 2025
Red Okktober wrote:
Talking of 'yes friends' and I'm sure this is more of a woman's thing than a man's.
I've never used Facebook, as I cannot stand the concept of it, but when female members of my family have shown me some of the messages on there, I see things like someone getting a haircut or having their nails done, and loads of messages along the lines of 'you look great babes' 'oh lovely' etc etc.
Now while the person may indeed look great, do they need to be told it? And why was the pic put up in the first place - fishing for compliments?
Of course not every haircut does look great, but I suspect they are still told that it does. Who gets what out of it? Does it bolster confidence in the person posting the pic, or make the person paying the compliment feel good about themselves for 'being nice'? Or could it be that they are obligated to pay a compliment because the other person once paid them one?
It all seems extremely shallow and a complete waste of time, yet loads of (mainly) women go through this process every day! I also suspect that many of them are privately having belly laughs at some of the pics that they have complimented
I don’t do FB or Instagram, etc, either. But I’d say it’s probably an interchangeable combination of all of the above. Especially the last bit! 😂
Anonymous said
Jul 23 11:24 AM, 2025
Vam wrote:
By the way, men can also be among the bitchiest gossipy fishwives too! 😂 There’s a group of guys in my circle of friends who often get together for a few beers and some ‘boys only‘ quality time. If I want to know the latest goss on any issue within our circle, I just ask them 😂
Speaking of gratuitous meanness, probably one of the worst examples of verbal abuse I’ve ever seen online came from none other than our own MD. Whilst I didn’t particularly like the woman he aimed it at, and could certainly see how she needled and provoked him, the level of merciless verbal viciousness he let rip at her really was staggering.
Can’t they just! was about to post the exact same.
Like Digger I preferred working with men but by God they could be just as bitchy about their male colleagues as females with other females. Try complimenting an absent male and hear the passive-aggression ooze out of their Alpha lapels.
Never trust a Mr “Nice Guy”, they’re anything but.
Syl said
Jul 23 12:00 PM, 2025
I have worked for both men and women. I can honestly say no woman boss has ever manoeuvred me into an empty nightclub about to be opened, on the pretext of showing me where I would be working, then lunged at me. No female boss has ever tried to persuade me to wear a bunny girl type costume, and no female boss has pestered me for dates.
I did have one horrendous female boss, who told me my hair was too long and I should pull it back, but she ended up in prison for embezzlement, so she was just a bad egg anyway.
Barksdale said
Jul 23 12:26 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
You raised daughters, just like me. Did you never notice how 2 girls could have a sleep over and be fine, while 3 created problems?
And that's with girls who are friends.
I think my articles are more than just interesting, but they go deep into analyzing the interactions between females.
I guess it's just psychobabble to many. Can't compete with their anecdotal evidence that is so clouded by their bias that they can't even see what they are doing, when they do it..
LOL - I observed that re: 3 or more girls in a group could get a bit crazy more times than I care to mention. But as you say I raised girls so I don't have a benchmark of raising boys that I can compare it to to know it is different.
Maybe women have behaviour traits evolutionarily hard baked into their biological sex. Maybe they have been socially conditioned to act in a certain way by a power structure that traditionally favoured men. Maybe men knew instinctively or consciously that keeping women divided amongst each other was a good way to ensure our dominant position wasn't challenged.
You mentioned bias and I think that is exactly right. It applies to the research as well and we need to know how well that has been controlled for, if at all. Sometimes you get what you go looking for a create self reinforcing stereotypes which are false negatives/positives due to poor study structure.
I think we need to be very cautious because social media is creating some toxic and unfavour narratives about women (and men too for that matter) which don't have a basis in the reality that I see when I go about my daily life. If you believe what you read online modern women will only date a 666 man (minimum 6 feet tall, minimum 6 figure salary, minimum 6 inc...errr....you can guess the rest.) However, from what I can see from my work and social setting that just isn't true. There's also the narrative that women are like dogs with a Pavlovian response so you have to treat them a certain way (usually some sort of manipulation) to keep them interested etc.
It's mostly crap and as the father of 2 girls I am interested in contributing to a world which treats them fairly. Not asking for preferential treatment, just that they can be seen for their individual humanity, which has both good and bad elements to it.
Fluffy said
Jul 23 1:00 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
I don’t think it’s about women. It’s about women and men.
Anyone who spouts equality whlist being a hypocrite at the same time is their own worst enemy.
You can’t talk about men calling people “mingers“ but call a fellow woman “roadkill” on the same forum.
You can’t run a porn site and then moan about men objectifying women.
Too many double standard.
Christ on a Bike, is it "how many lies can you pack into a post day"?
I have never called a woman "roadkill" and never would. A guest said that to Shell who thought it was funny . She never cared what guests said.
I have never "run" a porn site.
I worked for one run by FHM real girls. I made a lot of money , paid off debts and stopped. It's similar to Only Fans today only you had to be approved to be on the mobile site.
Whether you think this is morally sound or not if you think just because I did solo porn alone when I was 29 I'm now not allowed an opinion about anything until the end of time ,including women NOT in porn being insulted needlessly ,you are very much mistaken.
Fluffy said
Jul 23 1:20 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Generally not, but they can be.
Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.
They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.
Or maybe that's just me.
Back them from what? Other women?
Frankly, that has been my experience. I agree with everything you have said.
Syl is a lovely lady who never gave me trouble on these forums but the experiments you listed were not psychobabble, they are very much true.
About a month ago I went to get a manicure and a bloke doing building outside was staring at my chest area as men do to women all the time. My bloke and I just laughed about his lack of subtlety.
When I went in the conversation the girls were having just stopped and the owner have me an icy look, it became apparent during the appointment she had seen the bloke leering. For the first time since I had been going there she was rude and didn't bother to converse. Then she eventually brought up the (non)event and said "some women have no dignity" disapproving of the halter neck top I was wearing. I just went very quiet, she has worn similar things herself and it was a ridiculously hot day. I didn't go back.
Digger recounted a story of something similar happening to her so before the guests start, I know this happens to many women.But Maddog is correct, SOME women (by no means all) do treat other women badly or with disdain if they feel that a woman had received too much male attention
I don't necessarily believe the women on this forum do but in real life women can be actually very hostile regarding this sort of thing.
Red Okktober said
Jul 23 2:52 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
I don’t do FB or Instagram, etc, either. But I’d say it’s probably an interchangeable combination of all of the above. Especially the last bit! 😂
It seems obviously insincere, but a lot of (mainly) women seem to enjoy it.
I can't imagine one of my mates posting a pic online after he's been to the barbers, and me replying 'you don't half look good mate - what a smashing haircut' and adding thumbs up and heart emojis.
Anonymous said
Jul 23 4:02 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I don’t think it’s about women. It’s about women and men.
Anyone who spouts equality whlist being a hypocrite at the same time is their own worst enemy.
You can’t talk about men calling people “mingers“ but call a fellow woman “roadkill” on the same forum.
You can’t run a porn site and then moan about men objectifying women.
Too many double standard.
Christ on a Bike, is it "how many lies can you pack into a post day"?
I have never called a woman "roadkill" and never would. A guest said that to Shell who thought it was funny . She never cared what guests said.
I have never "run" a porn site.
I worked for one run by FHM real girls. I made a lot of money , paid off debts and stopped. It's similar to Only Fans today only you had to be approved to be on the mobile site.
Whether you think this is morally sound or not if you think just because I did solo porn alone when I was 29 I'm now not allowed an opinion about anything until the end of time ,including women NOT in porn being insulted needlessly ,you are very much mistaken.
Good for you for being honest. I had no idea about any of this. Certainly dispels the “Saint Fluffy” image you put across.
Maddog said
Jul 23 4:52 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Our research examined these two opposing views by conducting three complementary studies. These studies involved rather large samples, surveying between 400 and over 600 U.S. employees per study, across a variety of service operations and time periods. In each study, we consistently found that women reported experiencing more incivility from other women than from their male coworkers. Examples of this incivility included being addressed in unprofessional terms, having derogatory comments directed toward them, being put down in a condescending way, and being ignored or excluded from professional camaraderie."
I was reading elsewhere that there is a theory that women tend to want to get along and work together as equals, but when one begins to pull away from the pack, hard feelings erupt and they get nasty.
Boys aren't nearly as cooperative and handle the stress of competition better, so they don't develop the same attitude when one pulls away from the group. Whether it's a female or another male..
Put it this way....in all my years of working, I'd much rather work with men.
That's a common position amongst a lot of women. No petty, drama laden cat fights..
It's not that all women are that way, just more women than men..
Maddog said
Jul 23 5:00 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
More psychobabble.....😉
"There are endless examples of physically attractive girls being bullied by other girls, and parents regularly share such stories on social media. One North Shore Chicago mother of a girl who modeled professionally spoke of the frequency with which her daughter has been told that she is ugly and that she should kill herself. Swedish supermodel Paulina Porizkova reports that she was bullied mercilessly throughout her childhood. Model/actress Brittany Mason, a former “Miss Indiana,” thought about killing herself to escape her peers' gossip and bullying: At a homecoming rally at her high school, for example, a group created a poster with her picture on it and waved it around while chanting, “You are ugly.”"
Of course some females can be jealous of other women they see as more attractive, successful/whatever, but it's not the norm, certainly not in my experience.
Obviously, social media will highlight those stories of mean girls. The females (millions of them) who are not bullied, won't bother telling social media they are NOT bullied, will they?
Maddog, you have pretty daughters, an attractive girlfriend, an ex wife, did they act like that to other women.
Considering you are surrounded by women, you seem to have a really bad opinion of us.
No they don't, but they all have had to deal with that bullshit more than I have. I had to console daughters more than once over the mean barbs from their female friends..
It's not like it's a universal trait, it's just more common in females, and studies prove that..
That's why you'll never see a movie titled "Mean Boys". The premise is silly..
Maddog said
Jul 23 5:08 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Generally not, but they can be.
Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype.
They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.
Or maybe that's just me.
Back them from what? Other women?
Frankly, that has been my experience. I agree with everything you have said.
Syl is a lovely lady who never gave me trouble on these forums but the experiments you listed were not psychobabble, they are very much true.
About a month ago I went to get a manicure and a bloke doing building outside was staring at my chest area as men do to women all the time. My bloke and I just laughed about his lack of subtlety.
When I went in the conversation the girls were having just stopped and the owner have me an icy look, it became apparent during the appointment she had seen the bloke leering. For the first time since I had been going there she was rude and didn't bother to converse. Then she eventually brought up the (non)event and said "some women have no dignity" disapproving of the halter neck top I was wearing. I just went very quiet, she has worn similar things herself and it was a ridiculously hot day. I didn't go back.
Digger recounted a story of something similar happening to her so before the guests start, I know this happens to many women.But Maddog is correct, SOME women (by no means all) do treat other women badly or with disdain if they feel that a woman had received too much male attention
I don't necessarily believe the women on this forum do but in real life women can be actually very hostile regarding this sort of thing.
It's not just me.
Because my job is data driven, I seek that out.
I like to cite sources and not just rely on my anecdotal evidence, because that is clouded in life experience and biases
When I write a report, I can't say "I feel or I think". I have to say "based on research and reconciliation of the data, the following is considered to be reasonable"..
That can be boring in this format.....
Syl said
Jul 23 5:46 PM, 2025
Well if female posters here have found other women to be mean, obviously that's their experiences, but I haven't...apart from the handful I mentioned.
I have had some beautiful girlfriends, I loved being in their company, and I never noticed, nor did they ever mention, that other women were nasty to them, because they were more attractive.
Having said that, my single life, clubbing days etc, were before the internet was everywhere....so perhaps women have got meaner because social media seems to bring out the worse in people.
I have met more bitches on forums than I ever have in real life, so if those 'women' act the same when they come out from under their keyboards....I would agree.
But then, I have 'met' more horrible blokes online than I ever have in real life, so it probably evens itself out.
Syl said
Jul 23 5:53 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
More psychobabble.....😉
"There are endless examples of physically attractive girls being bullied by other girls, and parents regularly share such stories on social media. One North Shore Chicago mother of a girl who modeled professionally spoke of the frequency with which her daughter has been told that she is ugly and that she should kill herself. Swedish supermodel Paulina Porizkova reports that she was bullied mercilessly throughout her childhood. Model/actress Brittany Mason, a former “Miss Indiana,” thought about killing herself to escape her peers' gossip and bullying: At a homecoming rally at her high school, for example, a group created a poster with her picture on it and waved it around while chanting, “You are ugly.”"
Of course some females can be jealous of other women they see as more attractive, successful/whatever, but it's not the norm, certainly not in my experience.
Obviously, social media will highlight those stories of mean girls. The females (millions of them) who are not bullied, won't bother telling social media they are NOT bullied, will they?
Maddog, you have pretty daughters, an attractive girlfriend, an ex wife, did they act like that to other women.
Considering you are surrounded by women, you seem to have a really bad opinion of us.
No they don't, but they all have had to deal with that bullshit more than I have. I had to console daughters more than once over the mean barbs from their female friends..
It's not like it's a universal trait, it's just more common in females, and studies prove that..
That's why you'll never see a movie titled "Mean Boys". The premise is silly..
Maybe the reason a film won't be made titled Mean Boys, is because most big film companies are owned by men.
If they were not, we would see plenty films made about mysogonistic incels.
You raised daughters, just like me. Did you never notice how 2 girls could have a sleep over and be fine, while 3 created problems?
And that's with girls who are friends.
I think my articles are more than just interesting, but they go deep into analyzing the interactions between females.
I guess it's just psychobabble to many. Can't compete with their anecdotal evidence that is so clouded by their bias that they can't even see what they are doing, when they do it..
"There are endless examples of physically attractive girls being bullied by other girls, and parents regularly share such stories on social media. One North Shore Chicago mother of a girl who modeled professionally spoke of the frequency with which her daughter has been told that she is ugly and that she should kill herself. Swedish supermodel Paulina Porizkova reports that she was bullied mercilessly throughout her childhood. Model/actress Brittany Mason, a former “Miss Indiana,” thought about killing herself to escape her peers' gossip and bullying: At a homecoming rally at her high school, for example, a group created a poster with her picture on it and waved it around while chanting, “You are ugly.”"
hbr.org/2018/03/women-experience-more-incivility-at-work-especially-from-other-women
I was reading elsewhere that there is a theory that women tend to want to get along and work together as equals, but when one begins to pull away from the pack, hard feelings erupt and they get nasty.
Boys aren't nearly as cooperative and handle the stress of competition better, so they don't develop the same attitude when one pulls away from the group. Whether it's a female or another male..
Put it this way....in all my years of working, I'd much rather work with men.
Whilst research or a targeted study can be interesting and informative, it can sometimes include sweeping generalisations (imo).
Posturing schoolyard Mean Girls aside, most rational women simply take people as they find them. It’s not in my nature to be gratuitously mean to someone for no reason.
By the way, men can also be among the bitchiest gossipy fishwives too! 😂 There’s a group of guys in my circle of friends who often get together for a few beers and some ‘boys only‘ quality time. If I want to know the latest goss on any issue within our circle, I just ask them 😂
Speaking of gratuitous meanness, probably one of the worst examples of verbal abuse I’ve ever seen online came from none other than our own MD. Whilst I didn’t particularly like the woman he aimed it at, and could certainly see how she needled and provoked him, the level of merciless verbal viciousness he let rip at her really was staggering.
I've never used Facebook, as I cannot stand the concept of it, but when female members of my family have shown me some of the messages on there, I see things like someone getting a haircut or having their nails done, and loads of messages along the lines of 'you look great babes' 'oh lovely' etc etc.
Now while the person may indeed look great, do they need to be told it? And why was the pic put up in the first place - fishing for compliments?
Of course not every haircut does look great, but I suspect they are still told that it does. Who gets what out of it? Does it bolster confidence in the person posting the pic, or make the person paying the compliment feel good about themselves for 'being nice'? Or could it be that they are obligated to pay a compliment because the other person once paid them one?
It all seems extremely shallow and a complete waste of time, yet loads of (mainly) women go through this process every day! I also suspect that many of them are privately having belly laughs at some of the pics that they have complimented
Of course some females can be jealous of other women they see as more attractive, successful/whatever, but it's not the norm, certainly not in my experience.
Obviously, social media will highlight those stories of mean girls. The females (millions of them) who are not bullied, won't bother telling social media they are NOT bullied, will they?
Maddog, you have pretty daughters, an attractive girlfriend, an ex wife, did they act like that to other women.
Considering you are surrounded by women, you seem to have a really bad opinion of us.
I don’t do FB or Instagram, etc, either. But I’d say it’s probably an interchangeable combination of all of the above. Especially the last bit! 😂
Can’t they just! was about to post the exact same.
Like Digger I preferred working with men but by God they could be just as bitchy about their male colleagues as females with other females. Try complimenting an absent male and hear the passive-aggression ooze out of their Alpha lapels.
Never trust a Mr “Nice Guy”, they’re anything but.
I have worked for both men and women.
I can honestly say no woman boss has ever manoeuvred me into an empty nightclub about to be opened, on the pretext of showing me where I would be working, then lunged at me. No female boss has ever tried to persuade me to wear a bunny girl type costume, and no female boss has pestered me for dates.
I did have one horrendous female boss, who told me my hair was too long and I should pull it back, but she ended up in prison for embezzlement, so she was just a bad egg anyway.
LOL - I observed that re: 3 or more girls in a group could get a bit crazy more times than I care to mention. But as you say I raised girls so I don't have a benchmark of raising boys that I can compare it to to know it is different.
Maybe women have behaviour traits evolutionarily hard baked into their biological sex. Maybe they have been socially conditioned to act in a certain way by a power structure that traditionally favoured men. Maybe men knew instinctively or consciously that keeping women divided amongst each other was a good way to ensure our dominant position wasn't challenged.
You mentioned bias and I think that is exactly right. It applies to the research as well and we need to know how well that has been controlled for, if at all. Sometimes you get what you go looking for a create self reinforcing stereotypes which are false negatives/positives due to poor study structure.
I think we need to be very cautious because social media is creating some toxic and unfavour narratives about women (and men too for that matter) which don't have a basis in the reality that I see when I go about my daily life. If you believe what you read online modern women will only date a 666 man (minimum 6 feet tall, minimum 6 figure salary, minimum 6 inc...errr....you can guess the rest.) However, from what I can see from my work and social setting that just isn't true. There's also the narrative that women are like dogs with a Pavlovian response so you have to treat them a certain way (usually some sort of manipulation) to keep them interested etc.
It's mostly crap and as the father of 2 girls I am interested in contributing to a world which treats them fairly. Not asking for preferential treatment, just that they can be seen for their individual humanity, which has both good and bad elements to it.
Christ on a Bike, is it "how many lies can you pack into a post day"?
I have never called a woman "roadkill" and never would.
A guest said that to Shell who thought it was funny . She never cared what guests said.
I have never "run" a porn site.
I worked for one run by FHM real girls. I made a lot of money , paid off debts and stopped. It's similar to Only Fans today only you had to be approved to be on the mobile site.
Whether you think this is morally sound or not if you think just because I did solo porn alone when I was 29 I'm now not allowed an opinion about anything until the end of time ,including women NOT in porn being insulted needlessly ,you are very much mistaken.
Frankly, that has been my experience. I agree with everything you have said.
Syl is a lovely lady who never gave me trouble on these forums but the experiments you listed were not psychobabble, they are very much true.
About a month ago I went to get a manicure and a bloke doing building outside was staring at my chest area as men do to women all the time. My bloke and I just laughed about his lack of subtlety.
When I went in the conversation the girls were having just stopped and the owner have me an icy look, it became apparent during the appointment she had seen the bloke leering. For the first time since I had been going there she was rude and didn't bother to converse. Then she eventually brought up the (non)event and said "some women have no dignity" disapproving of the halter neck top I was wearing. I just went very quiet, she has worn similar things herself and it was a ridiculously hot day. I didn't go back.
Digger recounted a story of something similar happening to her so before the guests start, I know this happens to many women.But Maddog is correct, SOME women (by no means all) do treat other women badly or with disdain if they feel that a woman had received too much male attention
I don't necessarily believe the women on this forum do but in real life women can be actually very hostile regarding this sort of thing.
It seems obviously insincere, but a lot of (mainly) women seem to enjoy it.
I can't imagine one of my mates posting a pic online after he's been to the barbers, and me replying 'you don't half look good mate - what a smashing haircut' and adding thumbs up and heart emojis.
Good for you for being honest. I had no idea about any of this. Certainly dispels the “Saint Fluffy” image you put across.
That's a common position amongst a lot of women. No petty, drama laden cat fights..
It's not that all women are that way, just more women than men..
No they don't, but they all have had to deal with that bullshit more than I have. I had to console daughters more than once over the mean barbs from their female friends..
It's not like it's a universal trait, it's just more common in females, and studies prove that..
That's why you'll never see a movie titled "Mean Boys". The premise is silly..
It's not just me.
Because my job is data driven, I seek that out.
I like to cite sources and not just rely on my anecdotal evidence, because that is clouded in life experience and biases
When I write a report, I can't say "I feel or I think". I have to say "based on research and reconciliation of the data, the following is considered to be reasonable"..
That can be boring in this format.....
I have had some beautiful girlfriends, I loved being in their company, and I never noticed, nor did they ever mention, that other women were nasty to them, because they were more attractive.
Having said that, my single life, clubbing days etc, were before the internet was everywhere....so perhaps women have got meaner because social media seems to bring out the worse in people.
I have met more bitches on forums than I ever have in real life, so if those 'women' act the same when they come out from under their keyboards....I would agree.
But then, I have 'met' more horrible blokes online than I ever have in real life, so it probably evens itself out.
Maybe the reason a film won't be made titled Mean Boys, is because most big film companies are owned by men.
If they were not, we would see plenty films made about mysogonistic incels.