How will the Trump presidency end? Will Trump chicken out of accepting the kings invite?
He'll probably yell at him and ask why his first wife was sneaking around on him. 😉
That was after he was sneaking around with Camiknickers.
He'll probably applaud Chuck for doing that. 😉
Syl said
Mar 14 12:49 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
How will the Trump presidency end? Will Trump chicken out of accepting the kings invite?
He'll probably yell at him and ask why his first wife was sneaking around on him. 😉
That was after he was sneaking around with Camiknickers.
He'll probably applaud Chuck for doing that. 😉
Yes, that's another of his admirable traits.
Maddog said
Mar 14 12:56 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
How will the Trump presidency end? Will Trump chicken out of accepting the kings invite?
He'll probably yell at him and ask why his first wife was sneaking around on him. 😉
That was after he was sneaking around with Camiknickers.
He'll probably applaud Chuck for doing that. 😉
Yes, that's another of his admirable traits.
He doesn't really have too many of those. He's not a very nice human.
Brutally effective at times, but almost never nice..
Vam said
Mar 14 1:02 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
How will the Trump presidency end? Will Trump chicken out of accepting the kings invite?
He'll probably yell at him and ask why his first wife was sneaking around on him. 😉
That was after he was sneaking around with Camiknickers.
He'll probably applaud Chuck for doing that. 😉
Yes, that's another of his admirable traits.
… and that’s why I mentioned tertiary syphilis (leading to dementia) earlier in this thread.
He‘s been a grabby manwhore throughout his life. Could never keep it in his pants. There’s a reason why his Justice Department isn’t releasing the unredacted Epstein files.
Maddog said
Mar 14 1:32 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
How will the Trump presidency end? Will Trump chicken out of accepting the kings invite?
He'll probably yell at him and ask why his first wife was sneaking around on him. 😉
That was after he was sneaking around with Camiknickers.
He'll probably applaud Chuck for doing that. 😉
Yes, that's another of his admirable traits.
… and that’s why I mentioned tertiary syphilis (leading to dementia) earlier in this thread.
He‘s been a grabby manwhore throughout his life. Could never keep it in his pants. There’s a reason why his Justice Department isn’t releasing the unredacted Epstein files.
They're not even releasing redacted files.
Syl said
Mar 14 3:45 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
How will the Trump presidency end? Will Trump chicken out of accepting the kings invite?
He'll probably yell at him and ask why his first wife was sneaking around on him. 😉
That was after he was sneaking around with Camiknickers.
He'll probably applaud Chuck for doing that. 😉
Yes, that's another of his admirable traits.
… and that’s why I mentioned tertiary syphilis (leading to dementia) earlier in this thread.
He‘s been a grabby manwhore throughout his life. Could never keep it in his pants. There’s a reason why his Justice Department isn’t releasing the unredacted Epstein files.
He is seedy, morally corrupt and just a horrible human being.
I don't know if you ever heard the disrespectful way he allowed Melania to be spoken to on the Howard Stern show years ago...why the hell she married him God knows.
-- Edited by Syl on Friday 14th of March 2025 03:52:51 PM
Digger said
Mar 14 4:25 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
How will the Trump presidency end? Will Trump chicken out of accepting the kings invite?
He'll probably yell at him and ask why his first wife was sneaking around on him. 😉
That was after he was sneaking around with Camiknickers.
He'll probably applaud Chuck for doing that. 😉
Yes, that's another of his admirable traits.
… and that’s why I mentioned tertiary syphilis (leading to dementia) earlier in this thread.
He‘s been a grabby manwhore throughout his life. Could never keep it in his pants. There’s a reason why his Justice Department isn’t releasing the unredacted Epstein files.
He is seedy, morally corrupt and just a horrible human being.
I don't know if you ever heard the disrespectful way he allowed Melania to be spoken to on the Howard Stern show years ago...why the hell she married him God knows.
-- Edited by Syl on Friday 14th of March 2025 03:52:51 PM
Must have been his looks and syrup
Maddog said
Mar 14 4:48 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
How will the Trump presidency end? Will Trump chicken out of accepting the kings invite?
He'll probably yell at him and ask why his first wife was sneaking around on him. 😉
That was after he was sneaking around with Camiknickers.
He'll probably applaud Chuck for doing that. 😉
Yes, that's another of his admirable traits.
… and that’s why I mentioned tertiary syphilis (leading to dementia) earlier in this thread.
He‘s been a grabby manwhore throughout his life. Could never keep it in his pants. There’s a reason why his Justice Department isn’t releasing the unredacted Epstein files.
He is seedy, morally corrupt and just a horrible human being.
I don't know if you ever heard the disrespectful way he allowed Melania to be spoken to on the Howard Stern show years ago...why the hell she married him God knows.
-- Edited by Syl on Friday 14th of March 2025 03:52:51 PM
He's no Jimmy Carter..
Barksdale said
Mar 14 7:10 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Inflation rates (came out today BTW)
Saw a really interesting infographic on what is driving US inflation over the last 12 months.
Looks like things like gas and groceries are stabilising and goods like electronics and appliances are becoming cheaper. On the flip side rent / housing , medical costs, medications and energy cots are still rising. Car insurance has gone up significantly.
The US economy is brutal. Don't get sick or lose your job or you may end up homeless. On the other hand if you hold cash you can make out like a bandit in the next few years. That Warren Buffet knows a thing or two...
What drives inflation is too much money chasing too few goods.
A country borrowing almost 2 trillion a year is creating a lot of new money.
It's why the Fed raises interest rates to attack inflation. Ideally people borrow less. Unfortunately, the cost of borrowing doesn't slow down our political leaders like it does our citizens.
Yep, you are quite right. The things I listed are symptoms of inflation rather than than the cause,
Reducing federal spending isn't the only way to take money out of the economy though is it? You can also raise taxes. Now, a lot of people don't have that much money to spend as they are living pay cheque to pay cheque. Who might therefore have cash to burn and benefit from most people not being able to afford assets as they are just about surviving? I might be mistaken but I think there were figures released recently in the US that the top 10% or maybe 20% account for 50% of the spending?
The entire focus being on federal spending seems really fortuitous for the wealthy as it means the attention is completely diverted away from them and how they are doing remarkably well while everyone else suffers. It must just be a coincidence.
Barksdale said
Mar 14 7:15 PM, 2025
jackb wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
It's the likes of Musk and Trump who don't pay their way in taxes if they can possibly avoid it. Yes taxes those financial instruments that enable you to live in a modern society! It's the likes of them who shipped business out of America to make a few more billions to the detriment of the American people!
Politics of envy aside, our government isn't running short of revenue from its citizens..
Quite the contrary..
Politics of envy is a typical right wing emotional and meaningless trope!
Expecting people to pay taxes is not politics of envy.
What about these people shipping jobs out then crying and trying to ship them back in?
Typical right wing stuff that.
How dare the people want a job and wages and some kind of standard of living?
You support these clowns of greed in the destruction of your country!
Tax and collective organising are some of very few tools ordinary people have at their disposal to compete in a rigged game.
We need to tax the wealthy (assets in particular) and redistribute it back to ordinary people.
Maddog said
Mar 14 8:08 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Inflation rates (came out today BTW)
Saw a really interesting infographic on what is driving US inflation over the last 12 months.
Looks like things like gas and groceries are stabilising and goods like electronics and appliances are becoming cheaper. On the flip side rent / housing , medical costs, medications and energy cots are still rising. Car insurance has gone up significantly.
The US economy is brutal. Don't get sick or lose your job or you may end up homeless. On the other hand if you hold cash you can make out like a bandit in the next few years. That Warren Buffet knows a thing or two...
What drives inflation is too much money chasing too few goods.
A country borrowing almost 2 trillion a year is creating a lot of new money.
It's why the Fed raises interest rates to attack inflation. Ideally people borrow less. Unfortunately, the cost of borrowing doesn't slow down our political leaders like it does our citizens.
Yep, you are quite right. The things I listed are symptoms of inflation rather than than the cause,
Reducing federal spending isn't the only way to take money out of the economy though is it? You can also raise taxes. Now, a lot of people don't have that much money to spend as they are living pay cheque to pay cheque. Who might therefore have cash to burn and benefit from most people not being able to afford assets as they are just about surviving? I might be mistaken but I think there were figures released recently in the US that the top 10% or maybe 20% account for 50% of the spending?
The entire focus being on federal spending seems really fortuitous for the wealthy as it means the attention is completely diverted away from them and how they are doing remarkably well while everyone else suffers. It must just be a coincidence.
Now run figures for which groups provide most of the government's revenue..
Maddog said
Mar 14 8:12 PM, 2025
The top 10% of earners bore responsibility for 76% of all income taxes paid, and the top 25% paid 89% of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50% of filers earned 90% of all income and were responsible for 98% of all income taxes paid in 2021.
The other half of earners, those with incomes below $46,637, collectively paid 2.3% of all income taxes in 2021
The top 10% of earners bore responsibility for 76% of all income taxes paid, and the top 25% paid 89% of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50% of filers earned 90% of all income and were responsible for 98% of all income taxes paid in 2021.
The other half of earners, those with incomes below $46,637, collectively paid 2.3% of all income taxes in 2021
Maddog that sort of stuff satisfies right wingers like you who excuse and pardon so much of what is done against the nation.
Here in the UK many say the UK is the very wealthy city of London surrounded by and supporting the rest of the nation.
In part it's true but the galling reality is there are thousands of top earners paying less tax than their secretaries.
The whole Anglo American system of debt based economies is rigged against the people for the wealthiest and you either deny it or defend it depending on your mood.
Maddog said
Mar 14 10:05 PM, 2025
jackb wrote:
Maddog wrote:
The top 10% of earners bore responsibility for 76% of all income taxes paid, and the top 25% paid 89% of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50% of filers earned 90% of all income and were responsible for 98% of all income taxes paid in 2021.
The other half of earners, those with incomes below $46,637, collectively paid 2.3% of all income taxes in 2021
Maddog that sort of stuff satisfies right wingers like you who excuse and pardon so much of what is done against the nation.
Here in the UK many say the UK is the very wealthy city of London surrounded by and supporting the rest of the nation.
In part it's true but the galling reality is there are thousands of top earners paying less tax than their secretaries.
The whole Anglo American system of debt based economies is rigged against the people for the wealthiest and you either deny it or defend it depending on your mood.
Data and facts do satisfy me.
And of course there are outliers
jackb said
Mar 14 11:01 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
jackb wrote:
Maddog wrote:
The top 10% of earners bore responsibility for 76% of all income taxes paid, and the top 25% paid 89% of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50% of filers earned 90% of all income and were responsible for 98% of all income taxes paid in 2021.
The other half of earners, those with incomes below $46,637, collectively paid 2.3% of all income taxes in 2021
Maddog that sort of stuff satisfies right wingers like you who excuse and pardon so much of what is done against the nation.
Here in the UK many say the UK is the very wealthy city of London surrounded by and supporting the rest of the nation.
In part it's true but the galling reality is there are thousands of top earners paying less tax than their secretaries.
The whole Anglo American system of debt based economies is rigged against the people for the wealthiest and you either deny it or defend it depending on your mood.
Data and facts do satisfy me.
And of course there are outliers
Data and facts on a small forum where most of us can't be arsed to trawl through reams of crap when it's really not needed against the obvious.
You just carry on being satisfied with your conditioni8ng is the best I can offer just now.
Barksdale said
Mar 15 11:21 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
The top 10% of earners bore responsibility for 76% of all income taxes paid, and the top 25% paid 89% of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50% of filers earned 90% of all income and were responsible for 98% of all income taxes paid in 2021.
The other half of earners, those with incomes below $46,637, collectively paid 2.3% of all income taxes in 2021
Income isn't the only source of wealth though is it? As Jack has mentioned before wealthy people end up paying a lower effective tax rate through exploiting loopholes and lower rates of capital gains tax so looking at income alone is artifical (my preference would be taxing wealth rather than income itself.)
You would expect those who hold a disproportionate amount of wealth to pay the lion share of tax as they have the broadest shoulders to do so. Given COVID in particular has seen an enormous transfer of wealth to the rich it seems wise that their tax burden increases in line with their increased capacity to pay. They enjoy the fruits of investment into a country's public infrastructure and assets so they can be expected to pay in line with their ability to pay.
Taxing working / middle class households more could mean they have to choose between skipping meals so that their children can eat or putting on the heating. Taxing the rich more means they will only be able to afford 4 Lambos rather than 5. I'm sure they will be just fine.
If we redistribute wealth from the wealthy to the working / middle class they will spend it in their local communities and money will flow around the economy. Local and small businesses will re-emerge, this will create local jobs and form community bonds again. It will regenerate a country from the bottom up. This growth will generate higher tax receipts to be reinvested in the country to make it even better. In turn you create a happier, more equal society with strong bonds.
Of course, I don't expect this to happen in the UK and even less in the US as taxation isn't really in your national DNA. It would makes things much better however. Pushing the working class and middle class into poverty because there isn't the political will to take on the rich is a travesty, but that is likely to come to pass.
Maddog said
Mar 15 2:35 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
The top 10% of earners bore responsibility for 76% of all income taxes paid, and the top 25% paid 89% of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50% of filers earned 90% of all income and were responsible for 98% of all income taxes paid in 2021.
The other half of earners, those with incomes below $46,637, collectively paid 2.3% of all income taxes in 2021
Income isn't the only source of wealth though is it? As Jack has mentioned before wealthy people end up paying a lower effective tax rate through exploiting loopholes and lower rates of capital gains tax so looking at income alone is artifical (my preference would be taxing wealth rather than income itself.)
You would expect those who hold a disproportionate amount of wealth to pay the lion share of tax as they have the broadest shoulders to do so. Given COVID in particular has seen an enormous transfer of wealth to the rich it seems wise that their tax burden increases in line with their increased capacity to pay. They enjoy the fruits of investment into a country's public infrastructure and assets so they can be expected to pay in line with their ability to pay.
Taxing working / middle class households more could mean they have to choose between skipping meals so that their children can eat or putting on the heating. Taxing the rich more means they will only be able to afford 4 Lambos rather than 5. I'm sure they will be just fine.
If we redistribute wealth from the wealthy to the working / middle class they will spend it in their local communities and money will flow around the economy. Local and small businesses will re-emerge, this will create local jobs and form community bonds again. It will regenerate a country from the bottom up. This growth will generate higher tax receipts to be reinvested in the country to make it even better. In turn you create a happier, more equal society with strong bonds.
Of course, I don't expect this to happen in the UK and even less in the US as taxation isn't really in your national DNA. It would makes things much better however. Pushing the working class and middle class into poverty because there isn't the political will to take on the rich is a travesty, but that is likely to come to pass.
You're ignoring the problems with wealth redistribution..
Its far better that people live in an economy that rewards productivity..
jackb said
Mar 15 3:56 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
The top 10% of earners bore responsibility for 76% of all income taxes paid, and the top 25% paid 89% of all income taxes. Altogether, the top 50% of filers earned 90% of all income and were responsible for 98% of all income taxes paid in 2021.
The other half of earners, those with incomes below $46,637, collectively paid 2.3% of all income taxes in 2021
Income isn't the only source of wealth though is it? As Jack has mentioned before wealthy people end up paying a lower effective tax rate through exploiting loopholes and lower rates of capital gains tax so looking at income alone is artifical (my preference would be taxing wealth rather than income itself.)
You would expect those who hold a disproportionate amount of wealth to pay the lion share of tax as they have the broadest shoulders to do so. Given COVID in particular has seen an enormous transfer of wealth to the rich it seems wise that their tax burden increases in line with their increased capacity to pay. They enjoy the fruits of investment into a country's public infrastructure and assets so they can be expected to pay in line with their ability to pay.
Taxing working / middle class households more could mean they have to choose between skipping meals so that their children can eat or putting on the heating. Taxing the rich more means they will only be able to afford 4 Lambos rather than 5. I'm sure they will be just fine.
If we redistribute wealth from the wealthy to the working / middle class they will spend it in their local communities and money will flow around the economy. Local and small businesses will re-emerge, this will create local jobs and form community bonds again. It will regenerate a country from the bottom up. This growth will generate higher tax receipts to be reinvested in the country to make it even better. In turn you create a happier, more equal society with strong bonds.
Of course, I don't expect this to happen in the UK and even less in the US as taxation isn't really in your national DNA. It would makes things much better however. Pushing the working class and middle class into poverty because there isn't the political will to take on the rich is a travesty, but that is likely to come to pass.
You're ignoring the problems with wealth redistribution..
Its far better that people live in an economy that rewards productivity..
The UK is much more left leaning than America could ever be
but productivity is rewarded.
jackb said
Mar 16 2:33 AM, 2025
Maddog what do you make of this?
Trump DECLARES WAR POWERS against America
jackb said
Mar 16 3:03 AM, 2025
More here he might have been stopped but it seems to be getting crazier by the day! www.google.com/search
He'll probably applaud Chuck for doing that. 😉
Yes, that's another of his admirable traits.
He doesn't really have too many of those. He's not a very nice human.
Brutally effective at times, but almost never nice..
He‘s been a grabby manwhore throughout his life. Could never keep it in his pants. There’s a reason why his Justice Department isn’t releasing the unredacted Epstein files.
They're not even releasing redacted files.
He is seedy, morally corrupt and just a horrible human being.
I don't know if you ever heard the disrespectful way he allowed Melania to be spoken to on the Howard Stern show years ago...why the hell she married him God knows.
The Trump Files: Donald and Melania’s Creepy, Sex-Filled Interview With Howard Stern – Mother Jones
-- Edited by Syl on Friday 14th of March 2025 03:52:51 PM
Must have been his looks and syrup
He's no Jimmy Carter..
Yep, you are quite right. The things I listed are symptoms of inflation rather than than the cause,
Reducing federal spending isn't the only way to take money out of the economy though is it? You can also raise taxes. Now, a lot of people don't have that much money to spend as they are living pay cheque to pay cheque. Who might therefore have cash to burn and benefit from most people not being able to afford assets as they are just about surviving? I might be mistaken but I think there were figures released recently in the US that the top 10% or maybe 20% account for 50% of the spending?
The entire focus being on federal spending seems really fortuitous for the wealthy as it means the attention is completely diverted away from them and how they are doing remarkably well while everyone else suffers. It must just be a coincidence.
Tax and collective organising are some of very few tools ordinary people have at their disposal to compete in a rigged game.
We need to tax the wealthy (assets in particular) and redistribute it back to ordinary people.
Now run figures for which groups provide most of the government's revenue..
The other half of earners, those with incomes below $46,637, collectively paid 2.3% of all income taxes in 2021
www.ntu.org/foundation/tax-page/who-pays-income-taxes~:text=According%20to%20the%20latest%20IRS,federal%20income%20taxes%20in%202022.
Nevermind, I did it myself..
Maddog that sort of stuff satisfies right wingers like you who excuse and pardon so much of what is done against the nation.
Here in the UK many say the UK is the very wealthy city of London surrounded by and supporting the rest of the nation.
In part it's true but the galling reality is there are thousands of top earners paying less tax than their secretaries.
The whole Anglo American system of debt based economies is rigged against the people for the wealthiest and you either deny it or defend it depending on your mood.
Data and facts do satisfy me.
And of course there are outliers
Data and facts on a small forum where most of us can't be arsed to trawl through reams of crap when it's really not needed against the obvious.
You just carry on being satisfied with your conditioni8ng is the best I can offer just now.
Income isn't the only source of wealth though is it? As Jack has mentioned before wealthy people end up paying a lower effective tax rate through exploiting loopholes and lower rates of capital gains tax so looking at income alone is artifical (my preference would be taxing wealth rather than income itself.)
You would expect those who hold a disproportionate amount of wealth to pay the lion share of tax as they have the broadest shoulders to do so. Given COVID in particular has seen an enormous transfer of wealth to the rich it seems wise that their tax burden increases in line with their increased capacity to pay. They enjoy the fruits of investment into a country's public infrastructure and assets so they can be expected to pay in line with their ability to pay.
Taxing working / middle class households more could mean they have to choose between skipping meals so that their children can eat or putting on the heating. Taxing the rich more means they will only be able to afford 4 Lambos rather than 5. I'm sure they will be just fine.
If we redistribute wealth from the wealthy to the working / middle class they will spend it in their local communities and money will flow around the economy. Local and small businesses will re-emerge, this will create local jobs and form community bonds again. It will regenerate a country from the bottom up. This growth will generate higher tax receipts to be reinvested in the country to make it even better. In turn you create a happier, more equal society with strong bonds.
Of course, I don't expect this to happen in the UK and even less in the US as taxation isn't really in your national DNA. It would makes things much better however. Pushing the working class and middle class into poverty because there isn't the political will to take on the rich is a travesty, but that is likely to come to pass.
You're ignoring the problems with wealth redistribution..
Its far better that people live in an economy that rewards productivity..
The UK is much more left leaning than America could ever be
but productivity is rewarded.
Maddog what do you make of this?
Trump DECLARES WAR POWERS against America
www.google.com/search