I have some shark in the freezer. I should take it out and have it for dinner.
Syl said
May 14 6:39 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think sharks get a bad press....dogs or cows are far more likely to kill you...not to mention humans.
Well, since we spend about .00000001% of our lives in the water, that makes sense.
Brits are not very likely to be bitten by a venomous snake.
Speak for yourself...I spend a lot of time in or on the water.
John Doe said
May 14 7:27 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think sharks get a bad press....dogs or cows are far more likely to kill you...not to mention humans.
Well, since we spend about .00000001% of our lives in the water, that makes sense.
Brits are not very likely to be bitten by a venomous snake.
Millions of people spend much of their free time in the ocean.
Sharks are apex predators that are the only vertebrate group to have survived the five mass extinctions after over half a billion years on the planet (although they may well finally bow out in the sixth which we have created)
Take the White shark - if a two ton plus macropredator which can take out a bull elephant seal in one hit wanted to eat us it would be carnage every single day and the deaths would run into tens of thousands a year - not the four or five (if that) it usually is.
Mind you it's a bit hard to make a gripping tabloid story about a murderous vending machine or serial killing coconut.
Maddog said
May 14 7:28 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think sharks get a bad press....dogs or cows are far more likely to kill you...not to mention humans.
Well, since we spend about .00000001% of our lives in the water, that makes sense.
Brits are not very likely to be bitten by a venomous snake.
Speak for yourself...I spend a lot of time in or on the water.
There are 8,760 hours in a year.
How many of those are you in shark infested waters per year?
Or were you referring to bubble baths?
Maddog said
May 14 7:37 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think sharks get a bad press....dogs or cows are far more likely to kill you...not to mention humans.
Well, since we spend about .00000001% of our lives in the water, that makes sense.
Brits are not very likely to be bitten by a venomous snake.
Millions of people spend much of their free time in the ocean.
Sharks are apex predators that are the only vertebrate group to have survived the five mass extinctions after over half a billion years on the planet (although they may well finally bow out in the sixth which we have created)
Take the White shark - if a two ton plus macropredator which can take out a bull elephant seal in one hit wanted to eat us it would be carnage every single day and the deaths would run into tens of thousands a year - not the four or five (if that) it usually is.
Mind you it's a bit hard to make a gripping tabloid story about a murderous vending machine or serial killing coconut.
"Free time"
To make valid comparisons, one has to use activities that have similar levels of participation.
We spend a tiny amount of time in the ocean.
I'm not real worried about sharks, as large ones are not real common where I live. Sting rays are more of a worry to me.
Now if one lived in Africa, you might need to worry about hippos, as they cause a few thousands deaths a year.
Westerners, are largely immune from most of the nasty animal attacks that happen to others across the planet. Of course that doesn't stop us from using out first world privilege to judge them.
John Doe said
May 14 7:37 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think sharks get a bad press....dogs or cows are far more likely to kill you...not to mention humans.
Well, since we spend about .00000001% of our lives in the water, that makes sense.
Brits are not very likely to be bitten by a venomous snake.
Speak for yourself...I spend a lot of time in or on the water.
That explains the mysterious sightings of whales in the Manchester Ship Canal.
Maddog said
May 14 7:39 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think sharks get a bad press....dogs or cows are far more likely to kill you...not to mention humans.
Well, since we spend about .00000001% of our lives in the water, that makes sense.
Brits are not very likely to be bitten by a venomous snake.
Speak for yourself...I spend a lot of time in or on the water.
That explains the mysterious sightings of whales in the Manchester Ship Canal.
^ That explains your relationship status.
John Doe said
May 14 8:02 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think sharks get a bad press....dogs or cows are far more likely to kill you...not to mention humans.
Well, since we spend about .00000001% of our lives in the water, that makes sense.
Brits are not very likely to be bitten by a venomous snake.
Millions of people spend much of their free time in the ocean.
Sharks are apex predators that are the only vertebrate group to have survived the five mass extinctions after over half a billion years on the planet (although they may well finally bow out in the sixth which we have created)
Take the White shark - if a two ton plus macropredator which can take out a bull elephant seal in one hit wanted to eat us it would be carnage every single day and the deaths would run into tens of thousands a year - not the four or five (if that) it usually is.
Mind you it's a bit hard to make a gripping tabloid story about a murderous vending machine or serial killing coconut.
"Free time"
To make valid comparisons, one has to use activities that have similar levels of participation.
We spend a tiny amount of time in the ocean.
I'm not real worried about sharks, as large ones are not real common where I live. Sting rays are more of a worry to me.
Now if one lived in Africa, you might need to worry about hippos, as they cause a few thousands deaths a year.
Westerners, are largely immune from most of the nasty animal attacks that happen to others across the planet. Of course that doesn't stop us from using out first world privilege to judge them.
You might not spend much time in the water but a lot of American's do MD.
Surfers for example - they are often in prime White shark hunting territory.
It's nothing to do with fishing for food or even recreational fishing (most sharks are now released), it's exactly what the poster said - wiping out an entire group of animals for a bowl of fucking soup or bullshit 'traditional' medicine.
On another note the photographs on the net widely said to be Deep Blue off Hawaii are not, they are actually of a newly identified mature female called Haole Girl - both of the 6-7 metre 3+ ton animals are what White sharks used to look like (or even bigger before all the largest and oldest were fished out).
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 08:03:47 PM
Maddog said
May 14 8:18 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think sharks get a bad press....dogs or cows are far more likely to kill you...not to mention humans.
Well, since we spend about .00000001% of our lives in the water, that makes sense.
Brits are not very likely to be bitten by a venomous snake.
Millions of people spend much of their free time in the ocean.
Sharks are apex predators that are the only vertebrate group to have survived the five mass extinctions after over half a billion years on the planet (although they may well finally bow out in the sixth which we have created)
Take the White shark - if a two ton plus macropredator which can take out a bull elephant seal in one hit wanted to eat us it would be carnage every single day and the deaths would run into tens of thousands a year - not the four or five (if that) it usually is.
Mind you it's a bit hard to make a gripping tabloid story about a murderous vending machine or serial killing coconut.
"Free time"
To make valid comparisons, one has to use activities that have similar levels of participation.
We spend a tiny amount of time in the ocean.
I'm not real worried about sharks, as large ones are not real common where I live. Sting rays are more of a worry to me.
Now if one lived in Africa, you might need to worry about hippos, as they cause a few thousands deaths a year.
Westerners, are largely immune from most of the nasty animal attacks that happen to others across the planet. Of course that doesn't stop us from using out first world privilege to judge them.
You might not spend much time in the water but a lot of American's do MD.
Surfers for example - they are often in prime White shark hunting territory.
It's nothing to do with fishing for food or even recreational fishing (most sharks are now released), it's exactly what the poster said - wiping out an entire group of animals for a bowl of fucking soup or bullshit 'traditional' medicine.
On another note the photographs on the net widely said to be Deep Blue off Hawaii are not, they are actually of a newly identified mature female called Haole Girl - both of the 6-7 metre 3+ ton animals are what White sharks used to look like (or even bigger before all the largest and oldest were fished out).
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 08:03:47 PM
Surfers are what percentage of the population?
Take 350 million Americans and tell me how much time they spend in shark infested waters as a percentage of all of their other activities.
I'm going to eat shark twice next week. I'll leave the fins for others. I'm more into shark steaks.
John Doe said
May 14 8:51 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think sharks get a bad press....dogs or cows are far more likely to kill you...not to mention humans.
Well, since we spend about .00000001% of our lives in the water, that makes sense.
Brits are not very likely to be bitten by a venomous snake.
Millions of people spend much of their free time in the ocean.
Sharks are apex predators that are the only vertebrate group to have survived the five mass extinctions after over half a billion years on the planet (although they may well finally bow out in the sixth which we have created)
Take the White shark - if a two ton plus macropredator which can take out a bull elephant seal in one hit wanted to eat us it would be carnage every single day and the deaths would run into tens of thousands a year - not the four or five (if that) it usually is.
Mind you it's a bit hard to make a gripping tabloid story about a murderous vending machine or serial killing coconut.
"Free time"
To make valid comparisons, one has to use activities that have similar levels of participation.
We spend a tiny amount of time in the ocean.
I'm not real worried about sharks, as large ones are not real common where I live. Sting rays are more of a worry to me.
Now if one lived in Africa, you might need to worry about hippos, as they cause a few thousands deaths a year.
Westerners, are largely immune from most of the nasty animal attacks that happen to others across the planet. Of course that doesn't stop us from using out first world privilege to judge them.
You might not spend much time in the water but a lot of American's do MD.
Surfers for example - they are often in prime White shark hunting territory.
It's nothing to do with fishing for food or even recreational fishing (most sharks are now released), it's exactly what the poster said - wiping out an entire group of animals for a bowl of fucking soup or bullshit 'traditional' medicine.
On another note the photographs on the net widely said to be Deep Blue off Hawaii are not, they are actually of a newly identified mature female called Haole Girl - both of the 6-7 metre 3+ ton animals are what White sharks used to look like (or even bigger before all the largest and oldest were fished out).
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 08:03:47 PM
Surfers are what percentage of the population?
Take 350 million Americans and tell me how much time they spend in shark infested waters as a percentage of all of their other activities.
I'm going to eat shark twice next week. I'll leave the fins for others. I'm more into shark steaks.
That term shark 'infested' is bullshit - they belong there and we don't.
Fins are the problem.
The practice of brutally hacking them off and then leaving the animals to slowly die after throwing them overboard is one of the most disgusting atrocities humans have ever carried on the animal kingdom and that is saying a hell of a lot.
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 08:54:11 PM
Maddog said
May 14 9:04 PM, 2021
We don't belong in the water?
What is the word for water with sharks in it.
Shark occupied? Inhabited?
If you think I'm going to be shocked by someone cutting a fin off of a fish, you are mistaken.
I do believe the animal should be utilized better, as it's flesh is rather tasty, but I imagine the fish that eat the crippled shark enjoy the easy meal.
John Doe said
May 14 9:42 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
We don't belong in the water?
What is the word for water with sharks in it.
Shark occupied? Inhabited?
If you think I'm going to be shocked by someone cutting a fin off of a fish, you are mistaken.
I do believe the animal should be utilized better, as it's flesh is rather tasty, but I imagine the fish that eat the crippled shark enjoy the easy meal.
I know you will not be shocked MD but many of us are - it's sadistic wanton cruelty, they can't even be arsed to humanely kill the animals.
If this was a Tiger or a Polar Bear getting their limbs hacked off and left to die (or God forbid a domestic dog which cause vastly more attacks on humans throughout the world) there would be worldwide outrage.
We are terrestrial animals - sharks are marine animals, it's as simple as that.
Or do we 'infest' the land?
Come to think of it we probably do from nature's point of view.
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 09:44:03 PM
Maddog said
May 14 10:28 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
We don't belong in the water?
What is the word for water with sharks in it.
Shark occupied? Inhabited?
If you think I'm going to be shocked by someone cutting a fin off of a fish, you are mistaken.
I do believe the animal should be utilized better, as it's flesh is rather tasty, but I imagine the fish that eat the crippled shark enjoy the easy meal.
I know you will not be shocked MD but many of us are - it's sadistic wanton cruelty, they can't even be arsed to humanely kill the animals.
If this was a Tiger or a Polar Bear getting their limbs hacked off and left to die (or God forbid a domestic dog which cause vastly more attacks on humans throughout the world) there would be worldwide outrage.
We are terrestrial animals - sharks are marine animals, it's as simple as that.
Or do we 'infest' the land?
Come to think of it we probably do from nature's point of view.
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 09:44:03 PM
Oh, we definitely don't treat all animals the same.
There is a great deal of hypocrisy there. Less so from me, but I still react differently based on the species.
I would stop a snake eating a puppy, while letting it eat a fish wouldn't bother me in the least.
John Doe said
May 14 10:38 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
We don't belong in the water?
What is the word for water with sharks in it.
Shark occupied? Inhabited?
If you think I'm going to be shocked by someone cutting a fin off of a fish, you are mistaken.
I do believe the animal should be utilized better, as it's flesh is rather tasty, but I imagine the fish that eat the crippled shark enjoy the easy meal.
I know you will not be shocked MD but many of us are - it's sadistic wanton cruelty, they can't even be arsed to humanely kill the animals.
If this was a Tiger or a Polar Bear getting their limbs hacked off and left to die (or God forbid a domestic dog which cause vastly more attacks on humans throughout the world) there would be worldwide outrage.
We are terrestrial animals - sharks are marine animals, it's as simple as that.
Or do we 'infest' the land?
Come to think of it we probably do from nature's point of view.
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 09:44:03 PM
Oh, we definitely don't treat all animals the same.
There is a great deal of hypocrisy there. Less so from me, but I still react differently based on the species.
I would stop a snake eating a puppy, while letting it eat a fish wouldn't bother me in the least.
Well we are mammals so naturally many people find it more difficult to empathise with the suffering of non-mammalian species, that does seem to be changing though.
Maddog said
May 14 11:02 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
We don't belong in the water?
What is the word for water with sharks in it.
Shark occupied? Inhabited?
If you think I'm going to be shocked by someone cutting a fin off of a fish, you are mistaken.
I do believe the animal should be utilized better, as it's flesh is rather tasty, but I imagine the fish that eat the crippled shark enjoy the easy meal.
I know you will not be shocked MD but many of us are - it's sadistic wanton cruelty, they can't even be arsed to humanely kill the animals.
If this was a Tiger or a Polar Bear getting their limbs hacked off and left to die (or God forbid a domestic dog which cause vastly more attacks on humans throughout the world) there would be worldwide outrage.
We are terrestrial animals - sharks are marine animals, it's as simple as that.
Or do we 'infest' the land?
Come to think of it we probably do from nature's point of view.
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 09:44:03 PM
Oh, we definitely don't treat all animals the same.
There is a great deal of hypocrisy there. Less so from me, but I still react differently based on the species.
I would stop a snake eating a puppy, while letting it eat a fish wouldn't bother me in the least.
Well we are mammals so naturally many people find it more difficult to empathise with the suffering of non-mammalian species, that does seem to be changing though.
You see a snake trying to eat a puppy.
Do you let nature take it's course, or intervene?
John Doe said
May 14 11:22 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
We don't belong in the water?
What is the word for water with sharks in it.
Shark occupied? Inhabited?
If you think I'm going to be shocked by someone cutting a fin off of a fish, you are mistaken.
I do believe the animal should be utilized better, as it's flesh is rather tasty, but I imagine the fish that eat the crippled shark enjoy the easy meal.
I know you will not be shocked MD but many of us are - it's sadistic wanton cruelty, they can't even be arsed to humanely kill the animals.
If this was a Tiger or a Polar Bear getting their limbs hacked off and left to die (or God forbid a domestic dog which cause vastly more attacks on humans throughout the world) there would be worldwide outrage.
We are terrestrial animals - sharks are marine animals, it's as simple as that.
Or do we 'infest' the land?
Come to think of it we probably do from nature's point of view.
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 09:44:03 PM
Oh, we definitely don't treat all animals the same.
There is a great deal of hypocrisy there. Less so from me, but I still react differently based on the species.
I would stop a snake eating a puppy, while letting it eat a fish wouldn't bother me in the least.
Well we are mammals so naturally many people find it more difficult to empathise with the suffering of non-mammalian species, that does seem to be changing though.
You see a snake trying to eat a puppy.
Do you let nature take it's course, or intervene?
I let nature take it's course (unless it was my pet puppy and I certainly would not harm the squamate) - the snake needs to eat, no different if it was devouring any small wild mammal.
I would not stay around to watch though.
Maddog said
May 14 11:27 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
We don't belong in the water?
What is the word for water with sharks in it.
Shark occupied? Inhabited?
If you think I'm going to be shocked by someone cutting a fin off of a fish, you are mistaken.
I do believe the animal should be utilized better, as it's flesh is rather tasty, but I imagine the fish that eat the crippled shark enjoy the easy meal.
I know you will not be shocked MD but many of us are - it's sadistic wanton cruelty, they can't even be arsed to humanely kill the animals.
If this was a Tiger or a Polar Bear getting their limbs hacked off and left to die (or God forbid a domestic dog which cause vastly more attacks on humans throughout the world) there would be worldwide outrage.
We are terrestrial animals - sharks are marine animals, it's as simple as that.
Or do we 'infest' the land?
Come to think of it we probably do from nature's point of view.
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 09:44:03 PM
Oh, we definitely don't treat all animals the same.
There is a great deal of hypocrisy there. Less so from me, but I still react differently based on the species.
I would stop a snake eating a puppy, while letting it eat a fish wouldn't bother me in the least.
Well we are mammals so naturally many people find it more difficult to empathise with the suffering of non-mammalian species, that does seem to be changing though.
You see a snake trying to eat a puppy.
Do you let nature take it's course, or intervene?
I let nature take it's course (unless it was my pet puppy and I certainly would not harm the squamate) - the snake needs to eat, no different if it was devouring any small wild mammal.
I would not stay around to watch though.
Fair enough.
I'd kill the damn thing my self, and save the dog, but I'm a reprobate.
Maddog said
May 14 11:55 PM, 2021
Let's not forget the words of Clint Eastwood.
"Buzzards and worms gotta eat too".
Syl said
May 15 1:17 AM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think sharks get a bad press....dogs or cows are far more likely to kill you...not to mention humans.
Well, since we spend about .00000001% of our lives in the water, that makes sense.
Brits are not very likely to be bitten by a venomous snake.
Speak for yourself...I spend a lot of time in or on the water.
There are 8,760 hours in a year.
How many of those are you in shark infested waters per year?
Or were you referring to bubble baths?
Pre covid we spent a lot of time every summer out in the dinghy or on the kayaks.
The water was clean, and even warm enough to swim in from June till September.....so there.
Maddog said
May 15 2:27 AM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think sharks get a bad press....dogs or cows are far more likely to kill you...not to mention humans.
Well, since we spend about .00000001% of our lives in the water, that makes sense.
Brits are not very likely to be bitten by a venomous snake.
Speak for yourself...I spend a lot of time in or on the water.
There are 8,760 hours in a year.
How many of those are you in shark infested waters per year?
Or were you referring to bubble baths?
Pre covid we spent a lot of time every summer out in the dinghy or on the kayaks.
The water was clean, and even warm enough to swim in from June till September.....so there.
Playing with your husband's dinghy on a kayak doesn't count.
Speak for yourself...I spend a lot of time in or on the water.
Millions of people spend much of their free time in the ocean.
Sharks are apex predators that are the only vertebrate group to have survived the five mass extinctions after over half a billion years on the planet (although they may well finally bow out in the sixth which we have created)
Take the White shark - if a two ton plus macropredator which can take out a bull elephant seal in one hit wanted to eat us it would be carnage every single day and the deaths would run into tens of thousands a year - not the four or five (if that) it usually is.
Mind you it's a bit hard to make a gripping tabloid story about a murderous vending machine or serial killing coconut.
There are 8,760 hours in a year.
How many of those are you in shark infested waters per year?
Or were you referring to bubble baths?
"Free time"
To make valid comparisons, one has to use activities that have similar levels of participation.
We spend a tiny amount of time in the ocean.
I'm not real worried about sharks, as large ones are not real common where I live. Sting rays are more of a worry to me.
Now if one lived in Africa, you might need to worry about hippos, as they cause a few thousands deaths a year.
Westerners, are largely immune from most of the nasty animal attacks that happen to others across the planet. Of course that doesn't stop us from using out first world privilege to judge them.
That explains the mysterious sightings of whales in the Manchester Ship Canal.
^ That explains your relationship status.
You might not spend much time in the water but a lot of American's do MD.
Surfers for example - they are often in prime White shark hunting territory.
It's nothing to do with fishing for food or even recreational fishing (most sharks are now released), it's exactly what the poster said - wiping out an entire group of animals for a bowl of fucking soup or bullshit 'traditional' medicine.
On another note the photographs on the net widely said to be Deep Blue off Hawaii are not, they are actually of a newly identified mature female called Haole Girl - both of the 6-7 metre 3+ ton animals are what White sharks used to look like (or even bigger before all the largest and oldest were fished out).
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 08:03:47 PM
Surfers are what percentage of the population?
Take 350 million Americans and tell me how much time they spend in shark infested waters as a percentage of all of their other activities.
I'm going to eat shark twice next week. I'll leave the fins for others. I'm more into shark steaks.
That term shark 'infested' is bullshit - they belong there and we don't.
Fins are the problem.
The practice of brutally hacking them off and then leaving the animals to slowly die after throwing them overboard is one of the most disgusting atrocities humans have ever carried on the animal kingdom and that is saying a hell of a lot.
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 08:54:11 PM
What is the word for water with sharks in it.
Shark occupied? Inhabited?
If you think I'm going to be shocked by someone cutting a fin off of a fish, you are mistaken.
I do believe the animal should be utilized better, as it's flesh is rather tasty, but I imagine the fish that eat the crippled shark enjoy the easy meal.
I know you will not be shocked MD but many of us are - it's sadistic wanton cruelty, they can't even be arsed to humanely kill the animals.
If this was a Tiger or a Polar Bear getting their limbs hacked off and left to die (or God forbid a domestic dog which cause vastly more attacks on humans throughout the world) there would be worldwide outrage.
We are terrestrial animals - sharks are marine animals, it's as simple as that.
Or do we 'infest' the land?
Come to think of it we probably do from nature's point of view.
-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of May 2021 09:44:03 PM
Oh, we definitely don't treat all animals the same.
There is a great deal of hypocrisy there. Less so from me, but I still react differently based on the species.
I would stop a snake eating a puppy, while letting it eat a fish wouldn't bother me in the least.
Well we are mammals so naturally many people find it more difficult to empathise with the suffering of non-mammalian species, that does seem to be changing though.
You see a snake trying to eat a puppy.
Do you let nature take it's course, or intervene?
I let nature take it's course (unless it was my pet puppy and I certainly would not harm the squamate) - the snake needs to eat, no different if it was devouring any small wild mammal.
I would not stay around to watch though.
Fair enough.
I'd kill the damn thing my self, and save the dog, but I'm a reprobate.
"Buzzards and worms gotta eat too".
Pre covid we spent a lot of time every summer out in the dinghy or on the kayaks.
The water was clean, and even warm enough to swim in from June till September.....so there.
Playing with your husband's dinghy on a kayak doesn't count.