I think I will give your chicken a wide berth. From memory, (we were talking about it a few weeks ago) it's full of crap.
Anonymous said
May 30 7:20 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
We're not unhealthy from steak and eggs..
According to a 2019 study by researchers at the Northwestern University in Chicago, the average American consumes approximately 295 mg of cholesterol per day, including 3 to 4 eggs per week. The study found that for each half an egg consumed per day, people had a 6 per cent higher risk of developing cardiovascular disease, and an 8 per cent higher risk of death over 17.5 years.
To find out whether cholesterol in the eggs could explain this association, the researchers then looked at people’s cholesterol intake separately. For each additional 300 mg of cholesterol consumed per day (from eggs, meat and high-fat dairy products), participants had a 17 per cent higher risk of developing cardiovascular disease, and an 18 per cent higher risk of death.
Maddog said
May 30 8:22 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
I think I will give your chicken a wide berth. From memory, (we were talking about it a few weeks ago) it's full of crap.
About 5% of it is washed in chlorinated water. Supposedly it's safe. 🤷
I stay clear of the stuff from big box stores as much as I can..But when I eat out, it could be Chinese chickens for all I know..
Digger said
May 30 9:56 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
We're not unhealthy from steak and eggs..
According to a 2019 study by researchers at the Northwestern University in Chicago, the average American consumes approximately 295 mg of cholesterol per day, including 3 to 4 eggs per week. The study found that for each half an egg consumed per day, people had a 6 per cent higher risk of developing cardiovascular disease, and an 8 per cent higher risk of death over 17.5 years.
To find out whether cholesterol in the eggs could explain this association, the researchers then looked at people’s cholesterol intake separately. For each additional 300 mg of cholesterol consumed per day (from eggs, meat and high-fat dairy products), participants had a 17 per cent higher risk of developing cardiovascular disease, and an 18 per cent higher risk of death.
While eggs pack in a slew of vitamins, minerals and nutrients, one of those is the ever-controversial cholesterol. One egg delivers around 207 milligrams of cholesterol, which is 69% of the daily limit recommended by the Dietary Guidelines for Americans. That said, eating dietary cholesterol does not directly correlate to making your blood cholesterol levels go up; in fact, dietary cholesterol has minimal impact on our blood cholesterol levels. Furthermore, a 2020 review by the American Heart Association published in Circulation indicated that while many high-cholesterol foods are linked to an increased risk of heart disease, primarily due to their saturated fat content, eggs and shrimp are exceptions because of their high nutritional value.
According to a 2019 study by researchers at the Northwestern University in Chicago, the average American consumes approximately 295 mg of cholesterol per day, including 3 to 4 eggs per week. The study found that for each half an egg consumed per day, people had a 6 per cent higher risk of developing cardiovascular disease, and an 8 per cent higher risk of death over 17.5 years.
To find out whether cholesterol in the eggs could explain this association, the researchers then looked at people’s cholesterol intake separately. For each additional 300 mg of cholesterol consumed per day (from eggs, meat and high-fat dairy products), participants had a 17 per cent higher risk of developing cardiovascular disease, and an 18 per cent higher risk of death.
While eggs pack in a slew of vitamins, minerals and nutrients, one of those is the ever-controversial cholesterol. One egg delivers around 207 milligrams of cholesterol, which is 69% of the daily limit recommended by the Dietary Guidelines for Americans. That said, eating dietary cholesterol does not directly correlate to making your blood cholesterol levels go up; in fact, dietary cholesterol has minimal impact on our blood cholesterol levels. Furthermore, a 2020 review by the American Heart Association published in Circulation indicated that while many high-cholesterol foods are linked to an increased risk of heart disease, primarily due to their saturated fat content, eggs and shrimp are exceptions because of their high nutritional value.
Yeah, the eggs raise your cholesterol theory is largely unproven..
The problem with a lot of these studies is that it's hard to isolate a single factor. People that eat a lot of eggs may also eat a lot of bacon, sausage, bread or potatoes..
It's much like the wine in a Mediterranean diet. That diet is associated with longevity and wine is associated with that diet, but the only aspect of the wine that seems to really add to your health is that in Mediterranean cultures, it's consumed in social settings..Those social gatherings are good for your mental health and overall health..There's nothing beneficial in the wine and drinking it by yourself isn't going to help your mental health..
Maddog said
May 30 11:17 PM, 2025
And if you're worried about cholesterol, sugar is a significant contributor to Increased levels of LDL and triglycerides (bad kind) and decreased levels of HDL (good kind).
And while I personally would never advocate for the carnivore diet, you can live without carbs or sugars at all..You can not live without protein or fats.
Unlike meat and eggs, (or vegetarian options of protein and fats) sugar provides basically nothing of nutritional value..
Maddog said
May 30 11:28 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
We're not unhealthy from steak and eggs..
According to a 2019 study by researchers at the Northwestern University in Chicago, the average American consumes approximately 295 mg of cholesterol per day, including 3 to 4 eggs per week. The study found that for each half an egg consumed per day, people had a 6 per cent higher risk of developing cardiovascular disease, and an 8 per cent higher risk of death over 17.5 years.
To find out whether cholesterol in the eggs could explain this association, the researchers then looked at people’s cholesterol intake separately. For each additional 300 mg of cholesterol consumed per day (from eggs, meat and high-fat dairy products), participants had a 17 per cent higher risk of developing cardiovascular disease, and an 18 per cent higher risk of death.
While eggs pack in a slew of vitamins, minerals and nutrients, one of those is the ever-controversial cholesterol. One egg delivers around 207 milligrams of cholesterol, which is 69% of the daily limit recommended by the Dietary Guidelines for Americans. That said, eating dietary cholesterol does not directly correlate to making your blood cholesterol levels go up; in fact, dietary cholesterol has minimal impact on our blood cholesterol levels. Furthermore, a 2020 review by the American Heart Association published in Circulation indicated that while many high-cholesterol foods are linked to an increased risk of heart disease, primarily due to their saturated fat content, eggs and shrimp are exceptions because of their high nutritional value.
Also from your article which I alluded to above......
"So what about saturated fat, then? We need some saturated fat in our diet, but the problem is that most Americans eat too much while not eating enough healthy fats, which protect your heart (and overall body). And the saturated-fat-containing foods people are eating tend to include other ingredients that can cause harm when we eat too much, like added sugars."
Anonymous said
Jun 1 6:43 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Also from your article which I alluded to above......
"So what about saturated fat, then? We need some saturated fat in our diet, but the problem is that most Americans eat too much while not eating enough healthy fats, which protect your heart (and overall body). And the saturated-fat-containing foods people are eating tend to include other ingredients that can cause harm when we eat too much, like added sugars."
You should think about reducing your red meat consumption then, and maybe have a word with your carnivore girlfriend.
Maddog said
Jun 1 6:00 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Also from your article which I alluded to above......
"So what about saturated fat, then? We need some saturated fat in our diet, but the problem is that most Americans eat too much while not eating enough healthy fats, which protect your heart (and overall body). And the saturated-fat-containing foods people are eating tend to include other ingredients that can cause harm when we eat too much, like added sugars."
You should think about reducing your red meat consumption then, and maybe have a word with your carnivore girlfriend.
I don't eat too much red meat. And I do try to stay away from carbs, sugars and ultra processed food,.which are the things that have caused most of our diabetes.
I also eat a lot of fiber, and so should everyone..
Maddog said
Jun 1 6:52 PM, 2025
For the first time in medical history, there was clear evidence that exercise was even better at preventing cancer recurrence and death than many of the drugs currently prescribed to patients, one of the world’s top cancer doctors said.
Dr Julie Gralow, the chief medical officer of Asco, who was not involved in the decade-long study, said the quality of its findings was the “highest level of evidence” and would lead to “a major shift in understanding the importance of encouraging physical activity during and after treatment”.
Researchers followed more than 2,300 Finnish men over two decades and found that frequent sauna use was linked to a significant reduction in cardiovascular deaths and all-cause mortality. The bottom line: the more often these men used the sauna, the longer and healthier their lives became.
Researchers followed more than 2,300 Finnish men over two decades and found that frequent sauna use was linked to a significant reduction in cardiovascular deaths and all-cause mortality. The bottom line: the more often these men used the sauna, the longer and healthier their lives became.
Shame this thread has lost traction since the “fatgate” thread revealed the truth. Oh well xxxx
Maddog said
Jun 7 5:34 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Shame this thread has lost traction since the “fatgate” thread revealed the truth. Oh well xxxx
I'll post more.
However, I don't know if it really had much traction anyway..
This doesn't seem to be a subject most people on this forum are interested in.
None of then lift. Very few spend time contemplating what they are eating beyond how it tastes, and I think most believe healthspan and lifespan are mostly down to luck and genetics.
Is there something stopping you from posting links or videos from experts in the field?
This is for everyone. It's easier and safer to try to choose the correct weight by estimating when you have two reps in reserve, than doing one rep maxes and taking a percentage of them..
Especially lifts like squats and dead lifts, which require very heavy weights for a one rep max. And if you have poor form, a possible injury.
Anonymous said
Jun 7 7:39 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Shame this thread has lost traction since the “fatgate” thread revealed the truth. Oh well xxxx
I'll post more.
However, I don't know if it really had much traction anyway..
This doesn't seem to be a subject most people on this forum are interested in.
None of then lift. Very few spend time contemplating what they are eating beyond how it tastes, and I think most believe healthspan and lifespan are mostly down to luck and genetics.
Is there something stopping you from posting links or videos from experts in the field?
It’s not so much the subject it’s your delivery. See the BIB for example, you may mean well but your replies are off-putting.
Maddog said
Jun 8 12:14 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Shame this thread has lost traction since the “fatgate” thread revealed the truth. Oh well xxxx
I'll post more.
However, I don't know if it really had much traction anyway..
This doesn't seem to be a subject most people on this forum are interested in.
None of then lift. Very few spend time contemplating what they are eating beyond how it tastes, and I think most believe healthspan and lifespan are mostly down to luck and genetics.
Is there something stopping you from posting links or videos from experts in the field?
It’s not so much the subject it’s your delivery. See the BIB for example, you may mean well but your replies are off-putting.
The vast majority of the posts have no comments by me..
Generally my comments are in defense of the experts or in defense of me for posting things people don't want to hear.
I'm just a messenger..🤷
Anonymous said
Jun 14 11:34 PM, 2025
Maddog I watched a damning documentary about how mercenary American health insurance is. A gentleman cut off two fingers at work and his health insurance only paid for one to be sewn back on. The other finger was thrown away ! I assumed if you had insurance you were generally ok but it seems the companies find any excuse not to pay for life saving treatment or operations. People died of cancer while their partners were still arguing with heartless insurance companies who refused to pay out. Is it still that brutal ? I believe Hilary Clinton tried to introduce free healthcare but a smear campaign from the right about "socialist healthcare" put a stop to that. It seems big business rules in the US to the detriment of the electorate. It just manipulates and outright lies to the public to ensure the money keeps rolling in. Has the healthcare system improved at all, do you mind me asking. Are many Americans so invested in fitness because they can't afford to get ill?
According to a 2019 study by researchers at the Northwestern University in Chicago, the average American consumes approximately 295 mg of cholesterol per day, including 3 to 4 eggs per week. The study found that for each half an egg consumed per day, people had a 6 per cent higher risk of developing cardiovascular disease, and an 8 per cent higher risk of death over 17.5 years.
To find out whether cholesterol in the eggs could explain this association, the researchers then looked at people’s cholesterol intake separately. For each additional 300 mg of cholesterol consumed per day (from eggs, meat and high-fat dairy products), participants had a 17 per cent higher risk of developing cardiovascular disease, and an 18 per cent higher risk of death.
About 5% of it is washed in chlorinated water. Supposedly it's safe. 🤷
I stay clear of the stuff from big box stores as much as I can..But when I eat out, it could be Chinese chickens for all I know..
While eggs pack in a slew of vitamins, minerals and nutrients, one of those is the ever-controversial cholesterol. One egg delivers around 207 milligrams of cholesterol, which is 69% of the daily limit recommended by the Dietary Guidelines for Americans. That said, eating dietary cholesterol does not directly correlate to making your blood cholesterol levels go up; in fact, dietary cholesterol has minimal impact on our blood cholesterol levels. Furthermore, a 2020 review by the American Heart Association published in Circulation indicated that while many high-cholesterol foods are linked to an increased risk of heart disease, primarily due to their saturated fat content, eggs and shrimp are exceptions because of their high nutritional value.
https://www.eatingwell.com/article/7960178/what-happens-to-your-body-when-you-eat-eggs-every-day/
Yeah, the eggs raise your cholesterol theory is largely unproven..
The problem with a lot of these studies is that it's hard to isolate a single factor. People that eat a lot of eggs may also eat a lot of bacon, sausage, bread or potatoes..
It's much like the wine in a Mediterranean diet. That diet is associated with longevity and wine is associated with that diet, but the only aspect of the wine that seems to really add to your health is that in Mediterranean cultures, it's consumed in social settings..Those social gatherings are good for your mental health and overall health..There's nothing beneficial in the wine and drinking it by yourself isn't going to help your mental health..
And while I personally would never advocate for the carnivore diet, you can live without carbs or sugars at all..You can not live without protein or fats.
Unlike meat and eggs, (or vegetarian options of protein and fats) sugar provides basically nothing of nutritional value..
Also from your article which I alluded to above......
"So what about saturated fat, then? We need some saturated fat in our diet, but the problem is that most Americans eat too much while not eating enough healthy fats, which protect your heart (and overall body). And the saturated-fat-containing foods people are eating tend to include other ingredients that can cause harm when we eat too much, like added sugars."
You should think about reducing your red meat consumption then, and maybe have a word with your carnivore girlfriend.
I don't eat too much red meat. And I do try to stay away from carbs, sugars and ultra processed food,.which are the things that have caused most of our diabetes.
I also eat a lot of fiber, and so should everyone..
Dr Julie Gralow, the chief medical officer of Asco, who was not involved in the decade-long study, said the quality of its findings was the “highest level of evidence” and would lead to “a major shift in understanding the importance of encouraging physical activity during and after treatment”.
www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jun/01/exercise-better-than-drugs-after-cancer-treatment-international-trial-finds
www.si.com/everyday-athlete/athletes/the-microbiome-reset-how-gut-health-could-transform-aging-and-athletic-performance
The link doesn't mention saunas. It's about faecal transplants, which sounds like a different kind of bottom line. Something you've been researching?
🤷
Shame this thread has lost traction since the “fatgate” thread revealed the truth. Oh well xxxx
I'll post more.
However, I don't know if it really had much traction anyway..
This doesn't seem to be a subject most people on this forum are interested in.
None of then lift. Very few spend time contemplating what they are eating beyond how it tastes, and I think most believe healthspan and lifespan are mostly down to luck and genetics.
Is there something stopping you from posting links or videos from experts in the field?
Here's one directed at the ladies, although it applies to men too..
This is for everyone. It's easier and safer to try to choose the correct weight by estimating when you have two reps in reserve, than doing one rep maxes and taking a percentage of them..
Especially lifts like squats and dead lifts, which require very heavy weights for a one rep max. And if you have poor form, a possible injury.
It’s not so much the subject it’s your delivery. See the BIB for example, you may mean well but your replies are off-putting.
The vast majority of the posts have no comments by me..
Generally my comments are in defense of the experts or in defense of me for posting things people don't want to hear.
I'm just a messenger..🤷