"Approximately 72.3 million Americans were enrolled in Medicaid as of October 2024…”
July 2025 - An estimated 11.8 million of those people will have their insurance coverage eliminated over the next decade re Trump’s Tax Bill.
Approx 1 million people per year left to fend for themselves if/when ill health affects them.
They "may"..
They have 3 options to keep their coverage if they are able bodied adults.
1 Get a job
2 Go to school
3 Volunteer.
Do you think it's unreasonable for the able bodied to contribute to a society that gives them thousands in medical benefits every year?
Not everyone who is "able bodied" is able to get a job due to the economy, it simply isn't that easy. Some will have mental health issues which means they may have to stop working for a while. So these people will be denied obtaining and keeping essential medical insurance. Life happens, people get ill and hopefully recover. That's why health care should never be universally private.
Then I guess they can volunteer while they are filling out job applications. 🤷
What a great advert for the average American you are. What a catch.
Fuck you, you sniveling worthless piece of shit..
There's nothing wrong with expecting grown ass people to give back when they are given something of value..
Again proving my point.
A mental health scenario is put to you and you mock the unfortunates; you’re provided with numerous links throughout and you ignore; millions of US citizens are about to lose what little health care they have and you seem okay with that; families lose their homes due to medical bills and again you seem okay with that; throughout you have shown very little sympathy towards the plights of your fellow Americans…yet I’m a “shit”?
Carry on paying into your “last in health care compared with nine other high-income countries” health care system and I’ll carry on going to my local hospital without my cheque book.
Anonymous said
Jul 5 9:13 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
In general, Americans pay more than Brits do, in spite of our government ripping us off (in your opinion)
"Americans generally pay more for healthcare, including medical insurance, than Britons spend on National Insurance contributions. The US healthcare system relies heavily on private insurance, which can be expensive, while the UK has a publicly funded National Health Service (NHS) where healthcare is largely free at the point of use."
I have said numerous times we pay more..
I don't think your government charges you too much..
I think your government is too involved in your healthcare.
For a service that is documented as being far inferior to the UK and yet Brits are somehow being “brainwashed” by supporting the NHS.
i think you’ll find your Govt is deeply involved in your healthcare care also so your comment is moot.
Syl said
Jul 5 11:42 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
In general, Americans pay more than Brits do, in spite of our government ripping us off (in your opinion)
"Americans generally pay more for healthcare, including medical insurance, than Britons spend on National Insurance contributions. The US healthcare system relies heavily on private insurance, which can be expensive, while the UK has a publicly funded National Health Service (NHS) where healthcare is largely free at the point of use."
I have said numerous times we pay more..
I don't think your government charges you too much..
I think your government is too involved in your healthcare.
And I have said several times, we can choose for the government to have no involvment if we pay for private healthcare.
We have the choice.
Anonymous said
Jul 6 12:45 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Approximately 72.3 million Americans were enrolled in Medicaid as of October 2024…”
July 2025 - An estimated 11.8 million of those people will have their insurance coverage eliminated over the next decade re Trump’s Tax Bill.
Approx 1 million people per year left to fend for themselves if/when ill health affects them.
They "may"..
They have 3 options to keep their coverage if they are able bodied adults.
1 Get a job
2 Go to school
3 Volunteer.
Do you think it's unreasonable for the able bodied to contribute to a society that gives them thousands in medical benefits every year?
Not everyone who is "able bodied" is able to get a job due to the economy, it simply isn't that easy. Some will have mental health issues which means they may have to stop working for a while. So these people will be denied obtaining and keeping essential medical insurance. Life happens, people get ill and hopefully recover. That's why health care should never be universally private.
Then I guess they can volunteer while they are filling out job applications. 🤷
How can somebody with severe mental health problems who cannot work, possibly volunteer?? The Anon asked you some very pertinent questions yet you only answered part of them. I have noticed you rarely answer things directly.
“cherry picking”, where you ignore facts that are unfavourable and cling to a fact that you feel makes your opinion look good. Then when you can’t debate points raised you just ignore.
Fluffy said
Jul 6 10:32 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Approximately 72.3 million Americans were enrolled in Medicaid as of October 2024…”
July 2025 - An estimated 11.8 million of those people will have their insurance coverage eliminated over the next decade re Trump’s Tax Bill.
Approx 1 million people per year left to fend for themselves if/when ill health affects them.
They "may"..
They have 3 options to keep their coverage if they are able bodied adults.
1 Get a job
2 Go to school
3 Volunteer.
Do you think it's unreasonable for the able bodied to contribute to a society that gives them thousands in medical benefits every year?
Not everyone who is "able bodied" is able to get a job due to the economy, it simply isn't that easy. Some will have mental health issues which means they may have to stop working for a while. So these people will be denied obtaining and keeping essential medical insurance. Life happens, people get ill and hopefully recover. That's why health care should never be universally private.
Then I guess they can volunteer while they are filling out job applications. 🤷
How can somebody with severe mental health problems who cannot work, possibly volunteer?? The Anon asked you some very pertinent questions yet you only answered part of them. I have noticed you rarely answer things directly.
“cherry picking”, where you ignore facts that are unfavourable and cling to a fact that you feel makes your opinion look good. Then when you can’t debate points raised you just ignore.
Anon, you made excellent point's he just ignored. He ignored my question about how people with severe mental health difficulties would fare within the straitjacket of regulations he cited were necessary to receive insurance. I don't understand how he feels the government "interferes" with our healthcare either. Frankly,it's nonsense. Nor was that outburst justified. I know by saying this I will be ignored further but them 's the breaks.
Syl must have the patience of a Saint!
Syl said
Jul 6 11:44 AM, 2025
"Syl must have the patience of a Saint!"
Maddog said
Jul 6 6:54 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Approximately 72.3 million Americans were enrolled in Medicaid as of October 2024…”
July 2025 - An estimated 11.8 million of those people will have their insurance coverage eliminated over the next decade re Trump’s Tax Bill.
Approx 1 million people per year left to fend for themselves if/when ill health affects them.
They "may"..
They have 3 options to keep their coverage if they are able bodied adults.
1 Get a job
2 Go to school
3 Volunteer.
Do you think it's unreasonable for the able bodied to contribute to a society that gives them thousands in medical benefits every year?
Not everyone who is "able bodied" is able to get a job due to the economy, it simply isn't that easy. Some will have mental health issues which means they may have to stop working for a while. So these people will be denied obtaining and keeping essential medical insurance. Life happens, people get ill and hopefully recover. That's why health care should never be universally private.
Then I guess they can volunteer while they are filling out job applications. 🤷
How can somebody with severe mental health problems who cannot work, possibly volunteer?? The Anon asked you some very pertinent questions yet you only answered part of them. I have noticed you rarely answer things directly.
“cherry picking”, where you ignore facts that are unfavourable and cling to a fact that you feel makes your opinion look good. Then when you can’t debate points raised you just ignore.
Anon, you made excellent point's he just ignored. He ignored my question about how people with severe mental health difficulties would fare within the straitjacket of regulations he cited were necessary to receive insurance. I don't understand how he feels the government "interferes" with our healthcare either. Frankly,it's nonsense. Nor was that outburst justified. I know by saying this I will be ignored further but them 's the breaks.
Syl must have the patience of a Saint!
Do you need attention?
Ring your counselor and have a free consultation..👍
Maddog said
Jul 6 6:56 PM, 2025
And for the record, I'm done talking to anyone who won't log in.
It's not worth my time anymore..
-- Edited by Maddog on Sunday 6th of July 2025 07:16:04 PM
Anonymous said
Jul 6 7:14 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
And for the record, I'm talking to anyone who won't log in.
It's not worth my time anymore..
I’m gutted. It’ll be a struggle without your input but Brits are known for their endurance.
Anonymous said
Jul 6 7:19 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
And for the record, I'm done talking to anyone who won't log in.
It's not worth my time anymore..
-- Edited by Maddog on Sunday 6th of July 2025 07:16:04 PM
Will or won’t log in?
Way to flounce without actually admitting you’re flouncing.
edit: just noticed your edit
Fluffy said
Jul 6 8:02 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
"Syl must have the patience of a Saint!"
Well in fairness, you do!
Fluffy said
Jul 6 8:13 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
And for the record, I'm done talking to anyone who won't log in.
It's not worth my time anymore..
-- Edited by Maddog on Sunday 6th of July 2025 07:16:04 PM
You won't talk to me and I'm logged in. I'm not your enemy, you have responded to me before I joined for many months regarding this and I'm just trying to understand your point of view. I don't believe the Anon is a member.
I asked you how people with severe mental health concerns would fare under these new medical aid cuts and how you felt about that. Could you explain to me what is happening to Medicaid as a result as previously you said the poorer in society have Medicaid to rely on. People can have breakdowns at any time and it's only fair that if they have worked and contributed for most of their lives any sickness time should be financially covered. That's my view at least.
Barksdale said
Jul 6 8:56 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Could you explain to me what is happening to Medicaid as a result as previously you said the poorer in society have Medicaid to rely on.
Do you mean because of the changes under Trump's OBBB? They will still be able to get emergency care (although I believe many county hospitals are non-profits so that may raise premiums for people who do pay for insurance) but the likelihood is they will skip treatments or they may re-adjust their household budgets to put more money towards getting insurance.
They could also try to comply with the work requirements to keep their coverage. Not all mental health conditions are debilitating to the extent you cannot do activity such as volunteering or are completely non-functional for activities of daily life. Being in a supportive work environment could also help mitigate against some of impact of mental health issues as well because it reduces social isolation.
Fluffy said
Jul 6 9:04 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Could you explain to me what is happening to Medicaid as a result as previously you said the poorer in society have Medicaid to rely on.
Do you mean because of the changes under Trump's OBBB? They will still be able to get emergency care (although I believe many county hospitals are non-profits so that may raise premiums for people who do pay for insurance) but the likelihood is they will skip treatments or they may re-adjust their household budgets to put more money towards getting insurance.
They could also try to comply with the work requirements to keep their coverage. Not all mental health conditions are debilitating to the extent you cannot do activity such as volunteering or are completely non-functional for activities of daily life. Being in a supportive work environment could also help mitigate against some of impact of mental health issues as well because it reduces social isolation.
Yes, thank you Avon! I did ask Vam aswell since I have have not had my finger on the pulse on all things Trump related for the last few weeks. Thanks for explaining, it is appreciated x
Maddog said
Jul 6 10:02 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
And for the record, I'm done talking to anyone who won't log in.
It's not worth my time anymore..
-- Edited by Maddog on Sunday 6th of July 2025 07:16:04 PM
You won't talk to me and I'm logged in. I'm not your enemy, you have responded to me before I joined for many months regarding this and I'm just trying to understand your point of view. I don't believe the Anon is a member.
I asked you how people with severe mental health concerns would fare under these new medical aid cuts and how you felt about that. Could you explain to me what is happening to Medicaid as a result as previously you said the poorer in society have Medicaid to rely on. People can have breakdowns at any time and it's only fair that if they have worked and contributed for most of their lives any sickness time should be financially covered. That's my view at least.
I already explained that you need to be able bodied.
I assumed you understood that people with mental illness wouldn't fall into that category and would be disabled.
I think there are people that need assistance from the government, but nowhere near 70 million people out of 350 million people.
I believe in a safety net, not a hammock..
Maddog said
Jul 6 10:56 PM, 2025
Also......
"Based on the recent passage of a federal budget reconciliation bill signed into law on July 4, 2025, Medicaid recipients in states that have expanded their programs under the Affordable Care Act may need to start finding work by December 31, 2026."
^That's 18 months to get your shit together.
And............
"Certain individuals will be exempt from these requirements, including those over 65, pregnant women, parents of young children (the exact age may vary based on specific legislation), and those with certain health conditions or disabilities."
^^The truly vulnerable are protected and will remain covered.
The rest can join society or fuck off, I don't care..
Anonymous said
Jul 7 2:49 AM, 2025
“The Medicare Rights Center forcefully condemns this legislation and called upon the House to reject it. The bill would strip health coverage from millions, increase out-of-pocket costs, deepen poverty and food insecurity, and destabilize the entire health care system. Its rollbacks represent the biggest cuts to health care and food assistance in history, wiping out recent gains in coverage and outcomes. Older adults, people with disabilities, children, and families with low incomes would be among those most at risk and hardest hit.”
17 million will be affected not 11 million as previously thought. 17 million.
Again proving my point.
A mental health scenario is put to you and you mock the unfortunates; you’re provided with numerous links throughout and you ignore; millions of US citizens are about to lose what little health care they have and you seem okay with that; families lose their homes due to medical bills and again you seem okay with that; throughout you have shown very little sympathy towards the plights of your fellow Americans…yet I’m a “shit”?
Carry on paying into your “last in health care compared with nine other high-income countries” health care system and I’ll carry on going to my local hospital without my cheque book.
For a service that is documented as being far inferior to the UK and yet Brits are somehow being “brainwashed” by supporting the NHS.
i think you’ll find your Govt is deeply involved in your healthcare care also so your comment is moot.
And I have said several times, we can choose for the government to have no involvment if we pay for private healthcare.
We have the choice.
“cherry picking”, where you ignore facts that are unfavourable and cling to a fact that you feel makes your opinion look good.
Then when you can’t debate points raised you just ignore.
Anon, you made excellent point's he just ignored. He ignored my question about how people with severe mental health difficulties would fare within the straitjacket of regulations he cited were necessary to receive insurance. I don't understand how he feels the government "interferes" with our healthcare either. Frankly,it's nonsense. Nor was that outburst justified. I know by saying this I will be ignored further but them 's the breaks.
Syl must have the patience of a Saint!
"Syl must have the patience of a Saint!"
Do you need attention?
Ring your counselor and have a free consultation..👍
And for the record, I'm done talking to anyone who won't log in.
It's not worth my time anymore..
-- Edited by Maddog on Sunday 6th of July 2025 07:16:04 PM
I’m gutted.
It’ll be a struggle without your input but Brits are known for their endurance.
Will or won’t log in?
Way to flounce without actually admitting you’re flouncing.
edit: just noticed your edit
Well in fairness, you do!
You won't talk to me and I'm logged in. I'm not your enemy, you have responded to me before I joined for many months regarding this and I'm just trying to understand your point of view. I don't believe the Anon is a member.
I asked you how people with severe mental health concerns would fare under these new medical aid cuts and how you felt about that. Could you explain to me what is happening to Medicaid as a result as previously you said the poorer in society have Medicaid to rely on. People can have breakdowns at any time and it's only fair that if they have worked and contributed for most of their lives any sickness time should be financially covered. That's my view at least.
Do you mean because of the changes under Trump's OBBB? They will still be able to get emergency care (although I believe many county hospitals are non-profits so that may raise premiums for people who do pay for insurance) but the likelihood is they will skip treatments or they may re-adjust their household budgets to put more money towards getting insurance.
They could also try to comply with the work requirements to keep their coverage. Not all mental health conditions are debilitating to the extent you cannot do activity such as volunteering or are completely non-functional for activities of daily life. Being in a supportive work environment could also help mitigate against some of impact of mental health issues as well because it reduces social isolation.
Yes, thank you Avon! I did ask Vam aswell since I have have not had my finger on the pulse on all things Trump related for the last few weeks. Thanks for explaining, it is appreciated
x
I already explained that you need to be able bodied.
I assumed you understood that people with mental illness wouldn't fall into that category and would be disabled.
I think there are people that need assistance from the government, but nowhere near 70 million people out of 350 million people.
I believe in a safety net, not a hammock..
"Based on the recent passage of a federal budget reconciliation bill signed into law on July 4, 2025, Medicaid recipients in states that have expanded their programs under the Affordable Care Act may need to start finding work by December 31, 2026."
^That's 18 months to get your shit together.
And............
"Certain individuals will be exempt from these requirements, including those over 65, pregnant women, parents of young children (the exact age may vary based on specific legislation), and those with certain health conditions or disabilities."
^^The truly vulnerable are protected and will remain covered.
The rest can join society or fuck off, I don't care..
“The Medicare Rights Center forcefully condemns this legislation and called upon the House to reject it. The bill would strip health coverage from millions, increase out-of-pocket costs, deepen poverty and food insecurity, and destabilize the entire health care system. Its rollbacks represent the biggest cuts to health care and food assistance in history, wiping out recent gains in coverage and outcomes. Older adults, people with disabilities, children, and families with low incomes would be among those most at risk and hardest hit.”
17 million will be affected not 11 million as previously thought. 17 million.
https://www.medicarerights.org/medicare-watch/2025/07/03/final-house-vote-looms-on-devastating-health-and-food-assistance-cuts
Yeah but who wants to end up looking like that?