“That's some sort of drama you read on a biased site somewhere.. “
Bull. Shit. Don’t make assumptions about what I read and where, MD.
Given that you have a lifelong criminal, malignant narcissistic maniac leading your country, alongside Musk, the biggest government Welfare Queen known to man (and whose grotesque fortune continues to increase by millions per day), it’s reasonable for folks the whole world over to be freaking out a bit.
Despite your isolationist America First stance, you must surely realise that there’s a very real risk that a tanking trump economy will inevitably affect the rest of the world.
Maddog said
Apr 2 5:23 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
“That's some sort of drama you read on a biased site somewhere.. “
Bull. Shit. Don’t make assumptions about what I read and where, MD.
Given that you have a lifelong criminal, malignant narcissistic maniac leading your country, alongside Musk, the biggest government Welfare Queen known to man (and whose grotesque fortune continues to increase by millions per day), it’s reasonable for folks the whole world over to be freaking out a bit.
Despite your isolationist America First stance, you must surely realise that there’s a very real risk that a tanking trump economy will inevitably affect the rest of the world.
The biggest problem the world is facing, is our level of debt..
Not how mean our POTUS is.
Barksdale said
Apr 2 7:27 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
“That's some sort of drama you read on a biased site somewhere.. “
Bull. Shit. Don’t make assumptions about what I read and where, MD.
Given that you have a lifelong criminal, malignant narcissistic maniac leading your country, alongside Musk, the biggest government Welfare Queen known to man (and whose grotesque fortune continues to increase by millions per day), it’s reasonable for folks the whole world over to be freaking out a bit.
Despite your isolationist America First stance, you must surely realise that there’s a very real risk that a tanking trump economy will inevitably affect the rest of the world.
In the ordinary course of events I would say that focusing on policy would be the way to go.
However, this isn't the ordinary course of events and Trump isn't an ordinary president. Arguing policy isn't enough. The moral case has to be made against him and I am 100% with you on that front.
Moral decadence can cause empires to fall and the Trump administration is one of the most morally decadent, if not the most, that I can recall.
Maddog said
Apr 2 7:44 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
“That's some sort of drama you read on a biased site somewhere.. “
Bull. Shit. Don’t make assumptions about what I read and where, MD.
Given that you have a lifelong criminal, malignant narcissistic maniac leading your country, alongside Musk, the biggest government Welfare Queen known to man (and whose grotesque fortune continues to increase by millions per day), it’s reasonable for folks the whole world over to be freaking out a bit.
Despite your isolationist America First stance, you must surely realise that there’s a very real risk that a tanking trump economy will inevitably affect the rest of the world.
In the ordinary course of events I would say that focusing on policy would be the way to go.
However, this isn't the ordinary course of events and Trump isn't an ordinary president. Arguing policy isn't enough. The moral case has to be made against him and I am 100% with you on that front.
Moral decadence can cause empires to fall and the Trump administration is one of the most morally decadent, if not the most, that I can recall.
Well, we can all agree that we should fight against moral decadence.
What exactly is it?
Anonymous said
Apr 2 9:04 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Despite your isolationist America First stance, you must surely realise that there’s a very real risk that a tanking trump economy will inevitably affect the rest of the world.
I doubt either one of them cares; a narcissist invariably puts himself and what he wants at the centre of everything.
Anonymous said
Apr 2 9:24 PM, 2025
The demagogue does it again. One way to whip up a crowd in difficult times is to get them to believe they are under attack from a dangerous enemy. I've only listened to the first minutes of his Liberation Day speech to see that he's telling the nation that it's the rest of the world attacking America. You name it - rape, pillage, destruction of America by the rest of the world. Will intelligent Americans buy into his rhetoric?
Sebastian Gorka, listed as deputy assistant to Trump, has just been talking down to respected journalist Victoria Derbyshire about the tariffs..
What an arrogant prick..
Maddog said
Apr 2 10:54 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
The demagogue does it again. One way to whip up a crowd in difficult times is to get them to believe they are under attack from a dangerous enemy. I've only listened to the first minutes of his Liberation Day speech to see that he's telling the nation that it's the rest of the world attacking America. You name it - rape, pillage, destruction of America by the rest of the world. Will intelligent Americans buy into his rhetoric?
I think you're being hyperbolic.
He didn't say the rest of the world was raping us, just outsmarting us.
Take India and Vietnam. He said they were good countries doing what is best for their people.
He said he is now going to do the same for his people.
II'm fairly skeptical about whether it works, but that's different than misrepresenting what he said..
Anonymous said
Apr 2 11:37 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
The demagogue does it again. One way to whip up a crowd in difficult times is to get them to believe they are under attack from a dangerous enemy. I've only listened to the first minutes of his Liberation Day speech to see that he's telling the nation that it's the rest of the world attacking America. You name it - rape, pillage, destruction of America by the rest of the world. Will intelligent Americans buy into his rhetoric?
I think you're being hyperbolic.
He didn't say the rest of the world was raping us, just outsmarting us.
...
II'm fairly skeptical about whether it works, but that's different than misrepresenting what he said..
You're doing it again.
It took him a minute into his speech - watch from 20:30 onwards, you might not miss it this time.
As with all propaganda and political agendas there's always truth mixed in with the outright lies
and this speech was no exception.
The truth is plenty of countries are putting tariffs or taxes on imported goods.
The EU does it to the UK now we aren't in the club.
The EU does it to everyone including to the the USA.
So yes Trump has a view about that and plans on levelling the playing field in his usual
threatening and disrespectful manner.
No discussions first just steam in there and get it done in his bully boy way.
Where the lies were was when he talked of all the nations that had been stealing American
jobs so obviously they needed punishing and I fear a little further down the road they probably will be but...
no one stole American jobs.
The wealthy exported those jobs through sheer greed.
We've had plenty of the same here... the vacuum cleaner guy made loads of money whilst based in the UK but
he could get cheaper labour and other costs in Poland so he dumped the British and
opened up over there. Hotpoint did the same.
Lots more examples.
American billionaires stole the American peoples jobs no one else.
The reality is those unpatriotic don't care about anything but more and more and more for themselves
will now be rewarded with huge tax cuts !
Or that's the plan.
I have a feeling that Trump has alienated that much of the world that
the plans are going to go straight down the toilet!
jackb said
Apr 3 12:23 AM, 2025
Another lie was the Canada dairy tariffs of something like
260% on American dairy products.
It's true but America have the same level of tariffs on Canadian dairy goods.
Neither side has ever paid since Trump signed an agreement over this in his last presidency.
The reason neither side has ever paid that much is because those tariffs only kick in
when a certain level of product has crossed the border either way and they never have.
This agreement that Trump signed up to is so neither country swamps the other with their product.
He of course lied by omission on this.
jackb said
Apr 3 12:27 AM, 2025
Another problem and a very big one is America manufacture
nothing any other country wants!
When it does we all buy it.
America have made some great weapons and lots of countries buy them.
Computer software and film and music is another.
But few want their food or their crap cars and machinery.
America produce very little of what anyone wants.
Stuff from all the world in my family but hardly anything from America.
jackb said
Apr 3 1:39 AM, 2025
[video=Trump’s Auto Tariffs: We Broke Down an F-150]
It's all going to be very complicated!
-- Edited by jackb on Thursday 3rd of April 2025 01:41:09 AM
Maddog said
Apr 3 1:44 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
The demagogue does it again. One way to whip up a crowd in difficult times is to get them to believe they are under attack from a dangerous enemy. I've only listened to the first minutes of his Liberation Day speech to see that he's telling the nation that it's the rest of the world attacking America. You name it - rape, pillage, destruction of America by the rest of the world. Will intelligent Americans buy into his rhetoric?
I think you're being hyperbolic.
He didn't say the rest of the world was raping us, just outsmarting us.
...
II'm fairly skeptical about whether it works, but that's different than misrepresenting what he said..
You're doing it again.
It took him a minute into his speech - watch from 20:30 onwards, you might not miss it this time.
It was a long speech.
I heard enough to know he wasn't as dramatic as you said.
Possibly wrong on a lot of things, but I (and neither are you) am not an expert on how much each country charges us for tariffs, or the intricacies of our trade arrangements.
I did hear him so several times he doesn't blame other countries for their trade policy, but he blames his country for being so weak in response.
That's a far cry from rape and plunder. His words are what we call "business" around here.
He's very familiar with the saying "no hard feelings, it's just business".
How that translates into trade agreements, is yet to be seen.
Look on the bright side. It's not boring..
Maddog said
Apr 3 2:30 AM, 2025
"With a 51-48 vote, the Senate approved a resolution to block Trump's tariffs on imports from Canada, which he imposed by declaring an economic emergency in early February. The measure to cancel that emergency declaration, sponsored by Sens. Tim Kaine (D–Va.) and Rand Paul (R–Ky), faces an uncertain future in the Republican-controlled House and a near-certain veto if it reaches Trump's desk—but it also represents a small glimmer of hope, as it is the the first serious attempt by Congress at limiting the president's ability to smash free trade."
For 200 years, congress had the power over tariffs. They literally voted that power away from themselves in the late 70s so that Jimmy Carter could declare an emergency and do it without the hassle of legislation..
Maddog said
Apr 3 4:54 AM, 2025
“Our country has been looted, pillaged, raped and plundered by nations near and far, both friend and foe alike,” he said.
OK, I stand corrected. Trump was the one being hyperbolic..
Anonymous said
Apr 3 8:44 AM, 2025
Re tariffs - Britain was there a century ago. The Conservative govt at the time believed tariffs were a secret weapon to lower taxes and revive the national industrial decline caused by global competition. Unfortunately the result was not the promised land, it was an economic and political failure. Let's hope that for Americans history won't repeat itself.
Vam said
Apr 3 9:18 AM, 2025
He talked business like a guy who has declared bankruptcy at least 6 times, including 2 casinos.
The whole thing was staged like the set of his reality TV show, The Apprentice. This time he was telling entire nations ‘You’re fired!’
“That's some sort of drama you read on a biased site somewhere.. “
Given that you have a lifelong criminal, malignant narcissistic maniac leading your country, alongside Musk, the biggest government Welfare Queen known to man (and whose grotesque fortune continues to increase by millions per day), it’s reasonable for folks the whole world over to be freaking out a bit.
Despite your isolationist America First stance, you must surely realise that there’s a very real risk that a tanking trump economy will inevitably affect the rest of the world.
The biggest problem the world is facing, is our level of debt..
Not how mean our POTUS is.
In the ordinary course of events I would say that focusing on policy would be the way to go.
However, this isn't the ordinary course of events and Trump isn't an ordinary president. Arguing policy isn't enough. The moral case has to be made against him and I am 100% with you on that front.
Moral decadence can cause empires to fall and the Trump administration is one of the most morally decadent, if not the most, that I can recall.
Well, we can all agree that we should fight against moral decadence.
What exactly is it?
The demagogue does it again. One way to whip up a crowd in difficult times is to get them to believe they are under attack from a dangerous enemy. I've only listened to the first minutes of his Liberation Day speech to see that he's telling the nation that it's the rest of the world attacking America. You name it - rape, pillage, destruction of America by the rest of the world. Will intelligent Americans buy into his rhetoric?
What an arrogant prick..
I think you're being hyperbolic.
He didn't say the rest of the world was raping us, just outsmarting us.
Take India and Vietnam. He said they were good countries doing what is best for their people.
He said he is now going to do the same for his people.
II'm fairly skeptical about whether it works, but that's different than misrepresenting what he said..
You're doing it again.
It took him a minute into his speech - watch from 20:30 onwards, you might not miss it this time.
How these tariffs could affect the UK
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czd35l8995eo
and this speech was no exception.
The truth is plenty of countries are putting tariffs or taxes on imported goods.
The EU does it to the UK now we aren't in the club.
The EU does it to everyone including to the the USA.
So yes Trump has a view about that and plans on levelling the playing field in his usual
threatening and disrespectful manner.
No discussions first just steam in there and get it done in his bully boy way.
Where the lies were was when he talked of all the nations that had been stealing American
jobs so obviously they needed punishing and I fear a little further down the road they probably will be but...
no one stole American jobs.
The wealthy exported those jobs through sheer greed.
We've had plenty of the same here... the vacuum cleaner guy made loads of money whilst based in the UK but
he could get cheaper labour and other costs in Poland so he dumped the British and
opened up over there. Hotpoint did the same.
Lots more examples.
American billionaires stole the American peoples jobs no one else.
The reality is those unpatriotic don't care about anything but more and more and more for themselves
will now be rewarded with huge tax cuts !
Or that's the plan.
I have a feeling that Trump has alienated that much of the world that
the plans are going to go straight down the toilet!
260% on American dairy products.
It's true but America have the same level of tariffs on Canadian dairy goods.
Neither side has ever paid since Trump signed an agreement over this in his last presidency.
The reason neither side has ever paid that much is because those tariffs only kick in
when a certain level of product has crossed the border either way and they never have.
This agreement that Trump signed up to is so neither country swamps the other with their product.
He of course lied by omission on this.
nothing any other country wants!
When it does we all buy it.
America have made some great weapons and lots of countries buy them.
Computer software and film and music is another.
But few want their food or their crap cars and machinery.
America produce very little of what anyone wants.
Stuff from all the world in my family but hardly anything from America.
[video=Trump’s Auto Tariffs: We Broke Down an F-150]
It's all going to be very complicated!
-- Edited by jackb on Thursday 3rd of April 2025 01:41:09 AM
It was a long speech.
I heard enough to know he wasn't as dramatic as you said.
Possibly wrong on a lot of things, but I (and neither are you) am not an expert on how much each country charges us for tariffs, or the intricacies of our trade arrangements.
I did hear him so several times he doesn't blame other countries for their trade policy, but he blames his country for being so weak in response.
That's a far cry from rape and plunder. His words are what we call "business" around here.
He's very familiar with the saying "no hard feelings, it's just business".
How that translates into trade agreements, is yet to be seen.
Look on the bright side. It's not boring..
reason.com/2025/04/02/the-senate-just-passed-rand-pauls-bill-to-block-trumps-tariffs-on-canada/
This is probably of no avail..
For 200 years, congress had the power over tariffs. They literally voted that power away from themselves in the late 70s so that Jimmy Carter could declare an emergency and do it without the hassle of legislation..
OK, I stand corrected. Trump was the one being hyperbolic..
Re tariffs - Britain was there a century ago. The Conservative govt at the time believed tariffs were a secret weapon to lower taxes and revive the national industrial decline caused by global competition. Unfortunately the result was not the promised land, it was an economic and political failure. Let's hope that for Americans history won't repeat itself.
He talked business like a guy who has declared bankruptcy at least 6 times, including 2 casinos.
The whole thing was staged like the set of his reality TV show, The Apprentice. This time he was telling entire nations ‘You’re fired!’