Did anyone tell the young white kids in multiple towns and cities throughout the UK who were/are groomed, raped, passed around like pieces of meat to mainly Pakistani, Muslim family members and friends that they had 'white privelege'?
What's that got to do with racism against black adults??
The predatory mentality of Muslim males about young girls is a completely different subject..and I share your opinion on it. Why such a defensive attitude that racism against black people exists though? It enraged you so much you changed the subject to Muslim paedophiles..who don't only abuse white girls as you sadly seem to believe.
They also prey on young Muslim girls in their own families and these courageous girls who spoke out were not believed and were consequently disowned by their family.
White Privelege exists and so do Muslim male predators who target young white and Muslim girls (in the main). The two are not mutually exclusive Syl..
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about racism? Do you think it only works one way??
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about 'white privilege'? Categorising people by colour into a privileged group is racist in itself.
If you think the majority of the Muslim rapists treat their own girls like sluts to be shared around you are wrong. They may abuse them but certainly not in the same way they have abused the white girls.
I am neither defensive or enraged, simply countering the views you have previously given.
Racism only seems to work one way for woke culture which is ludicrous in the extreme - but it seems everything and anything bad that has ever happened throughout history is all (usually British) evil whitey's fault.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 5th of July 2020 06:22:15 PM
The sad thing about all this misplaced anger is the statistics show the majority of paedophiles are white JD, even including the gangs of Muslim men who prey on white and Asian girls doesn't change that. Of course it's a different thing, child abuse is not always a racist act. Racism always is.
There may be a preferred colour and gender for an abuser but this is by no means true on every occasion -unless one intends to focus solely on the Muslim sex gangs to show white girl children also suffer due to racist oppression. It's a unique defence and imo not a suitable one, child abuse which happens to children of all creeds and colours should be fought against with all one's might but under the correct and tragic umbrella of child abuse so children of ALL colours ages and genders can be included and hence protected.
Regarding your last statement , white people are responsible for slavery so yes they are responsible for racism because they created a law that declared they owned people based on skin colour. Black men were their property , bought and sold, victimised and often killed. And as unsavoury a notion as it is black children were white mens to abuse. I would have preferred to keep children out of an already emotive issue of race, but since it has been introduced, morally sound or not, there lies the unsavoury truth.
No, white people are not to blame for everything JD, but racism? Due to slavery and their degradation of the black Man certainly.
There have been, and still are, many cultures who had/have slaves.
The Tuareg and others who are indigenous to Libya facilitated the slave trade from the south along the trans Saharan trade routes. In the 1830s – a period when slave trade flourished Ghadames was handling 2,500 slaves a year.Even though the slave trade was officially abolished in Tripoli in 1853, it continued openly until the 1890s. And still does to this day.
What the ILO calls “the new slavery” in Libya takes in 25 million people in debt bondage and 15 million in forced marriage. As an illicit industry, it is one of the world’s most lucrative, earning criminal networks $150 billion a year, just behind drug smuggling and weapons trafficking.
After receiving unverified CNN video of a November 2017 slave auction in Libya, a human trafficker told Al Jazeera that hundreds of migrants are bought and sold across the country every week.
Slavery is rife all over Africa and the Middle East. Still. Right now
Kuwait. Poor workers sold and resold into domestic slavery.
The sellers almost all advocated confiscating the women's passports, confining them to the house, denying them any time off and giving them little or no access to a phone.The 4Sale app allowed you to filter by race, with different price brackets clearly on offer, according to category."African worker, clean and smiley," said one listing. Another: "Nepalese who dares to ask for a day off."When speaking to the sellers, the undercover team frequently heard racist language. "Indians are the dirtiest," said one, describing a woman being advertised. Facebook said it had banned the Arabic hashtag "خادمات للتنازل#" - which translates as "#maidsfortransfer".
So, perhaps consider what's happening in the here and now...and from the slave traders/traffickers who are not 'white privileged.
What about all the black slaves brought in South America and the Caribbean by the Spaniards and Portuguese?
How come no one dares talk about “Latino” guilt and reparations?
It's easy to sit behind your computer, cosy and safe with your proxy IP, spouting platitudes about white privilege and BLM. How about you get off your fat arse and focus on the real racists.
Go educate yourself and read Tidiane N’Diaye's book titled: The veiled genocide.
JP said
Jul 5 10:34 PM, 2020
Great post^^
Ultimately I get sick of people slagging off and putting the UK down. This Country is without doubt one of the fairest and just, actually too fair and soft at times, places on the planet.
Anonymous said
Jul 5 10:35 PM, 2020
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Did anyone tell the young white kids in multiple towns and cities throughout the UK who were/are groomed, raped, passed around like pieces of meat to mainly Pakistani, Muslim family members and friends that they had 'white privelege'?
What's that got to do with racism against black adults??
The predatory mentality of Muslim males about young girls is a completely different subject..and I share your opinion on it. Why such a defensive attitude that racism against black people exists though? It enraged you so much you changed the subject to Muslim paedophiles..who don't only abuse white girls as you sadly seem to believe.
They also prey on young Muslim girls in their own families and these courageous girls who spoke out were not believed and were consequently disowned by their family.
White Privelege exists and so do Muslim male predators who target young white and Muslim girls (in the main). The two are not mutually exclusive Syl..
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about racism? Do you think it only works one way??
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about 'white privilege'? Categorising people by colour into a privileged group is racist in itself.
If you think the majority of the Muslim rapists treat their own girls like sluts to be shared around you are wrong. They may abuse them but certainly not in the same way they have abused the white girls.
I am neither defensive or enraged, simply countering the views you have previously given.
Racism only seems to work one way for woke culture which is ludicrous in the extreme - but it seems everything and anything bad that has ever happened throughout history is all (usually British) evil whitey's fault.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 5th of July 2020 06:22:15 PM
The sad thing about all this misplaced anger is the statistics show the majority of paedophiles are white JD, even including the gangs of Muslim men who prey on white and Asian girls doesn't change that. Of course it's a different thing, child abuse is not always a racist act. Racism always is.
There may be a preferred colour and gender for an abuser but this is by no means true on every occasion -unless one intends to focus solely on the Muslim sex gangs to show white girl children also suffer due to racist oppression. It's a unique defence and imo not a suitable one, child abuse which happens to children of all creeds and colours should be fought against with all one's might but under the correct and tragic umbrella of child abuse so children of ALL colours ages and genders can be included and hence protected.
Regarding your last statement , white people are responsible for slavery so yes they are responsible for racism because they created a law that declared they owned people based on skin colour. Black men were their property , bought and sold, victimised and often killed. And as unsavoury a notion as it is black children were white mens to abuse. I would have preferred to keep children out of an already emotive issue of race, but since it has been introduced, morally sound or not, there lies the unsavoury truth.
No, white people are not to blame for everything JD, but racism? Due to slavery and their degradation of the black Man certainly.
Racist child abuse is always a racist act. Racism when its proven to have taken place is of course racism. Correct.
The majority of paedophiles may well be white. But all paedophiles are utter scum. Let's stick to that. Let's not concentrate on skin colour.
Why focus on a times way back in history when a high proportion of people around the planet at that time had low opinions of black people. Why not focus on now, let's focus on now. Things have hugely improved. But admittedly there is still work to do.
However, you won't never completely eliminate racist bigots from society. People need to bear that in mind. Don't expect that to ever occur. Scumbags of varying kinds will always be around! That's life for ya.
Hate has no limit. You are right, but it shouldn’t be covered up defended as you are all doing here.
John Doe said
Jul 5 10:42 PM, 2020
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Did anyone tell the young white kids in multiple towns and cities throughout the UK who were/are groomed, raped, passed around like pieces of meat to mainly Pakistani, Muslim family members and friends that they had 'white privelege'?
What's that got to do with racism against black adults??
The predatory mentality of Muslim males about young girls is a completely different subject..and I share your opinion on it. Why such a defensive attitude that racism against black people exists though? It enraged you so much you changed the subject to Muslim paedophiles..who don't only abuse white girls as you sadly seem to believe.
They also prey on young Muslim girls in their own families and these courageous girls who spoke out were not believed and were consequently disowned by their family.
White Privelege exists and so do Muslim male predators who target young white and Muslim girls (in the main). The two are not mutually exclusive Syl..
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about racism? Do you think it only works one way??
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about 'white privilege'? Categorising people by colour into a privileged group is racist in itself.
If you think the majority of the Muslim rapists treat their own girls like sluts to be shared around you are wrong. They may abuse them but certainly not in the same way they have abused the white girls.
I am neither defensive or enraged, simply countering the views you have previously given.
Racism only seems to work one way for woke culture which is ludicrous in the extreme - but it seems everything and anything bad that has ever happened throughout history is all (usually British) evil whitey's fault.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 5th of July 2020 06:22:15 PM
The sad thing about all this misplaced anger is the statistics show the majority of paedophiles are white JD, even including the gangs of Muslim men who prey on white and Asian girls doesn't change that. Of course it's a different thing, child abuse is not always a racist act. Racism always is.
There may be a preferred colour and gender for an abuser but this is by no means true on every occasion -unless one intends to focus solely on the Muslim sex gangs to show white girl children also suffer due to racist oppression. It's a unique defence and imo not a suitable one, child abuse which happens to children of all creeds and colours should be fought against with all one's might but under the correct and tragic umbrella of child abuse so children of ALL colours ages and genders can be included and hence protected.
Regarding your last statement , white people are responsible for slavery so yes they are responsible for racism because they created a law that declared they owned people based on skin colour. Black men were their property , bought and sold, victimised and often killed. And as unsavoury a notion as it is black children were white mens to abuse. I would have preferred to keep children out of an already emotive issue of race, but since it has been introduced, morally sound or not, there lies the unsavoury truth.
No, white people are not to blame for everything JD, but racism? Due to slavery and their degradation of the black Man certainly.
There have been, and still are, many cultures who had/have slaves.
The Tuareg and others who are indigenous to Libya facilitated the slave trade from the south along the trans Saharan trade routes. In the 1830s – a period when slave trade flourished Ghadames was handling 2,500 slaves a year.Even though the slave trade was officially abolished in Tripoli in 1853, it continued openly until the 1890s. And still does to this day.
What the ILO calls “the new slavery” in Libya takes in 25 million people in debt bondage and 15 million in forced marriage. As an illicit industry, it is one of the world’s most lucrative, earning criminal networks $150 billion a year, just behind drug smuggling and weapons trafficking.
After receiving unverified CNN video of a November 2017 slave auction in Libya, a human trafficker told Al Jazeera that hundreds of migrants are bought and sold across the country every week.
Slavery is rife all over Africa and the Middle East. Still. Right now
Kuwait. Poor workers sold and resold into domestic slavery.
The sellers almost all advocated confiscating the women's passports, confining them to the house, denying them any time off and giving them little or no access to a phone.The 4Sale app allowed you to filter by race, with different price brackets clearly on offer, according to category."African worker, clean and smiley," said one listing. Another: "Nepalese who dares to ask for a day off."When speaking to the sellers, the undercover team frequently heard racist language. "Indians are the dirtiest," said one, describing a woman being advertised. Facebook said it had banned the Arabic hashtag "خادمات للتنازل#" - which translates as "#maidsfortransfer".
So, perhaps consider what's happening in the here and now...and from the slave traders/traffickers who are not 'white privileged.
What about all the black slaves brought in South America and the Caribbean by the Spaniards and Portuguese?
How come no one dares talk about “Latino” guilt and reparations?
It's easy to sit behind your computer, cosy and safe with your proxy IP, spouting platitudes about white privilege and BLM. How about you get off your fat arse and focus on the real racists.
Go educate yourself and read Tidiane N’Diaye's book titled: The veiled genocide.
Well said.
That is an excellent post and why is it ignored that it was frequently Africans selling their war captives as slaves to the colonial powers - the Kings of Dahomey (now Benin) for example and they continued to do so in vast numbers that were only reduced after the UK abolished slavery (the Slave Trade Act 1807) and others followed.
But yet again it's all evil Whitey's fault,
Digger said
Jul 5 11:04 PM, 2020
To the idiot guest with the inane comments. Try posting intelligently with some good counter arguments to your thoughts and we may let your posts through. Firing crass and puerile little comments won't get you air time on here.
JP said
Jul 5 11:28 PM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Did anyone tell the young white kids in multiple towns and cities throughout the UK who were/are groomed, raped, passed around like pieces of meat to mainly Pakistani, Muslim family members and friends that they had 'white privelege'?
What's that got to do with racism against black adults??
The predatory mentality of Muslim males about young girls is a completely different subject..and I share your opinion on it. Why such a defensive attitude that racism against black people exists though? It enraged you so much you changed the subject to Muslim paedophiles..who don't only abuse white girls as you sadly seem to believe.
They also prey on young Muslim girls in their own families and these courageous girls who spoke out were not believed and were consequently disowned by their family.
White Privelege exists and so do Muslim male predators who target young white and Muslim girls (in the main). The two are not mutually exclusive Syl..
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about racism? Do you think it only works one way??
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about 'white privilege'? Categorising people by colour into a privileged group is racist in itself.
If you think the majority of the Muslim rapists treat their own girls like sluts to be shared around you are wrong. They may abuse them but certainly not in the same way they have abused the white girls.
I am neither defensive or enraged, simply countering the views you have previously given.
Racism only seems to work one way for woke culture which is ludicrous in the extreme - but it seems everything and anything bad that has ever happened throughout history is all (usually British) evil whitey's fault.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 5th of July 2020 06:22:15 PM
The sad thing about all this misplaced anger is the statistics show the majority of paedophiles are white JD, even including the gangs of Muslim men who prey on white and Asian girls doesn't change that. Of course it's a different thing, child abuse is not always a racist act. Racism always is.
There may be a preferred colour and gender for an abuser but this is by no means true on every occasion -unless one intends to focus solely on the Muslim sex gangs to show white girl children also suffer due to racist oppression. It's a unique defence and imo not a suitable one, child abuse which happens to children of all creeds and colours should be fought against with all one's might but under the correct and tragic umbrella of child abuse so children of ALL colours ages and genders can be included and hence protected.
Regarding your last statement , white people are responsible for slavery so yes they are responsible for racism because they created a law that declared they owned people based on skin colour. Black men were their property , bought and sold, victimised and often killed. And as unsavoury a notion as it is black children were white mens to abuse. I would have preferred to keep children out of an already emotive issue of race, but since it has been introduced, morally sound or not, there lies the unsavoury truth.
No, white people are not to blame for everything JD, but racism? Due to slavery and their degradation of the black Man certainly.
Racist child abuse is always a racist act. Racism when its proven to have taken place is of course racism. Correct.
The majority of paedophiles may well be white. But all paedophiles are utter scum. Let's stick to that. Let's not concentrate on skin colour.
Why focus on a times way back in history when a high proportion of people around the planet at that time had low opinions of black people. Why not focus on now, let's focus on now. Things have hugely improved. But admittedly there is still work to do.
However, you won't never completely eliminate racist bigots from society. People need to bear that in mind. Don't expect that to ever occur. Scumbags of varying kinds will always be around! That's life for ya.
Hate has no limit. You are right, but it shouldn’t be covered up defended as you are all doing here.
That doesn't actually happen.
Syl said
Jul 6 12:20 AM, 2020
I dont see anyone defending racism, just pointing out that racists come in all colours and creeds.
I wont ever apologise for being white, why should I, why should anyone who treats others as equals.?
John Doe said
Jul 6 12:38 AM, 2020
Syl wrote:
I dont see anyone defending racism, just pointing out that racists come in all colours and creeds.
I wont ever apologise for being white, why should I, why should anyone who treats others as equals.?
I am not taking the knee for anyone, why should I?
Terrible as what happened to (the career criminal) George was it has absolutely nothing to do with me or the UK for that matter.
I notice none of the points from my long post on the previous page have been addressed and neither have Diggers.
People should realise that CM is not DS (or the woke run BBC) and accusing people of being racist/defending racism for stating incontrovertible historical facts does not get the discussion shut down on here because debate is actually allowed.
-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 6th of July 2020 01:04:25 AM
Syl said
Jul 6 1:00 AM, 2020
Diggers post was excellent, as were the points you made.
We had the discussion about 'taking the knee'...(what a ridiculous expression that is) last week.
I wouldn't kneel for anyone, alternatively I wouldn't expect anyone to kneel for me either.
John Doe said
Jul 6 1:03 AM, 2020
Syl wrote:
Diggers post was excellent, as were the points you made. We had the discussion about 'taking the knee'...(what a ridiculous expression that is) last week.
I wouldn't kneel for anyone, alternatively I wouldn't expect anyone to kneel for me either.
It really is.
Syl said
Jul 6 1:41 AM, 2020
In answer to the anon who stupidly said more whites are peodophiles in the UK than Asian....
That's hardly surprising when less than 2% of UK residents are from Pakistan and less than 5% of the population are Muslim.
That was not the point though, ALL paodophiles are damaged and dangerous, where the grooming gangs differed was the fact they were not only grooming and raping often underage girls, they were targeting white girls, which also made it a racist crime.
Anonymous said
Jul 6 2:14 AM, 2020
JP wrote:
I for one would like to see the link/s that clarify all of the above. Cheers.
Hopefully the info and statistics you speak of can be found on established well-known trusted websites that most people if not all will have heard of.
I understand you may be offended at the term white Privellege but the list below cannot be denied.
The lives below were lost because the person doing these activities were black. No white person is afraid of doing the activities listed below.
Google the name of the deceased to see the exact incident that killed them if you wish.
Below is the activity the black person was doing when slain by police. Why you may ask. Why indeed.
Jogging #AmaudArbery
Relaxing at home #BothemSean
#AtatianJefferson
Birding #ChristianCooper
Asking for help
After a car crash #JonathanFerrell
#RenishaMcBride
Owning a Phone #StephonClark
Leaving a Party #JordanEdwards
Playing loud Music #JordanDavis
Sleeping #AiyanaJones
Walking from Shops #Mike Brown
Going to Church #Charleston9
Partying on New Year #OscarGrant
Shopping #JohnCrawford
Being 6 years old
(walking with relative) # CliffordGlover
Running #WalterScott
Breathing #EricGamer
Being Alive #FreddieGray
Reading a Book #Keith Scott
Cashing a Cheque #YvonneSmallwood
Decorating for a Party #ClaudeReese
Being arrested without
Fear of being murdered #GeorgeFloyd
Any spelling mistakes of the deceased are my own. If you cannot find the details of their wrongful death post the name JP and I will provide the correct spelling.
Nobody here can truly say they fear being murdered while doing any of the above but black people, especially those living in America, DO fear being killed or injured everytime they do any activity. We are lucky to be white and those who deny the existence of White Privellege should educate themselves of the facts surrounding the subject.
-- Edited by Digger on Monday 6th of July 2020 11:00:21 AM
John Doe said
Jul 6 2:18 AM, 2020
Syl wrote:
In answer to the anon who stupidly said more whites are peodophiles in the UK than Asian.... That's hardly surprising when less than 2% of UK residents are from Pakistan and less than 5% of the population are Muslim.
That was not the point though, ALL paodophiles are damaged and dangerous, where the grooming gangs differed was the fact they were not only grooming and raping often underage girls, they were targeting white girls, which also made it a racist crime.
Well yes, people never let the facts get in the way of their hatred of white people (who are apparently all evil and racist).
This is perhaps the most inclusive and tolerant country in the world and had endless positive discrimination schemes (which against anyone but Caucasian would be castigated as racist) but that is never mentioned.
Of course it's not.
The BBC casting is often so ludicrous now it is not even funny - for example.
Achilles, the sulking, invincible, demi-god teenager with boundless golden locks was now played by a bald, middle-aged black bloke (very well to be fair given the script) in 'Troy'.
For anyone who has read the classics you know now what is to come.
-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 6th of July 2020 02:20:57 AM
Syl said
Jul 6 11:42 AM, 2020
wrote:
JP wrote:
I for one would like to see the link/s that clarify all of the above. Cheers.
Hopefully the info and statistics you speak of can be found on established well-known trusted websites that most people if not all will have heard of.
I understand you may be offended at the term white Privellege but the list below cannot be denied.
The lives below were lost because the person doing these activities were black. No white person is afraid of doing the activities listed below.
Google the name of the deceased to see the exact incident that killed them if you wish.
Below is the activity the black person was doing when slain by police. Why you may ask. Why indeed.
Jogging #AmaudArbery
Relaxing at home #BothemSean
#AtatianJefferson
Birding #ChristianCooper
Asking for help
After a car crash #JonathanFerrell
#RenishaMcBride
Owning a Phone #StephonClark
Leaving a Party #JordanEdwards
Playing loud Music #JordanDavis
Sleeping #AiyanaJones
Walking from Shops #Mike Brown
Going to Church #Charleston9
Partying on New Year #OscarGrant
Shopping #JohnCrawford
Being 6 years old
(walking with relative) # CliffordGlover
Running #WalterScott
Breathing #EricGamer
Being Alive #FreddieGray
Reading a Book #Keith Scott
Cashing a Cheque #YvonneSmallwood
Decorating for a Party #ClaudeReese
Being arrested without
Fear of being murdered #GeorgeFloyd
Any spelling mistakes of the deceased are my own. If you cannot find the details of their wrongful death post the name JP and I will provide the correct spelling.
Nobody here can truly say they fear being murdered while doing any of the above but black people, especially those living in America, DO fear being killed or injured everytime they do any activity. We are lucky to be white and those who deny the existence of White Privellege should educate themselves of the facts surrounding the subject.
-- Edited by Digger on Monday 6th of July 2020 11:00:21 AM
Is this list a compilation of what has happened in the US? Their police force is absolutely NOTHING like our police force.
By the way, I don't have to scan down your list far to find a glaring error. Third one down, not slain by police at all....he is alive and well and still posting his vids.
Anonymous said
Jul 6 12:40 PM, 2020
Syl wrote:
In answer to the anon who stupidly said more whites are peodophiles in the UK than Asian.... That's hardly surprising when less than 2% of UK residents are from Pakistan and less than 5% of the population are Muslim.
That was not the point though, ALL paodophiles are damaged and dangerous, where the grooming gangs differed was the fact they were not only grooming and raping often underage girls, they were targeting white girls, which also made it a racist crime.
Asian men target Muslim Asian children as well as white children. But it is not as well publicised as Muslim girls very rarely come forward due to the abuser usually being a family member. The statistics for sexual child abuse is that white males commit roughly 85% of the crime. The repulsive abhorrent act is rarely race motivated. These men are deviants, compelled to act out sexual violence against children and overall race is not usually a factor. Sexual acts against children are primarily a sex crime. Possibly the worthy topic needs it's own thread.
The list posted above of black people is only a tiny percentage of people slain for their skin colour , one was a child, which is thankfully being supported hugely on Twitter. It highlights with bitterly heartbreaking clarity how black people endure terrible abuse due to the colour of their skin.
These poor men and women were killed for simply going to the shops or birdwatching, attending parties, things white people would never fear doing. But sadly this is the reality of life for black people. Racism in the police force is rife especially in America and has been covered up for way to long. When racism takes the form of murder and people are being slaughtered for the colour of their skin by those who are meant to protect them and ensure their safety no one can argue that racism is completely out of control.
I do understand why people may dislike the term White Privellege, but if anyone here honestly fears that going to the shops, Cashing a Cheque or reading a book in their car will result in their death I would be most surprised. The loathing of black people is also far more prevalent in America and the police brutality totally unchecked.
Admitting White Privellege exists is the same as saying racism exists and no one is denying that. The problem is where to go from here.
Michelle Obama who admitted she has experienced racism many times says all she feels she can do to halt the hatred white people must feel is to carry on as normal. To continue being a good mother, doing the chores etc so white people can see there is nothing to fear. I found that quite moving. Skin colour is just that, a colour. How can anybody hate or fear a colour enough to kill someone for it.
Constructive ideas on how to deal with violent racists is what is needed now. Both here and in the US. Education is key. Maybe teaching children fairly early on how looking different has no bearing on a person being 'good ' or 'bad '. But if that child goes home to hear racist rhetoric all the good work will be undone, I admit I have no answers. Does anyone have any ideas how such ingrained needless prejudices can be changed?
Putting our heads in the sand is not working, there has to be a better way. Hopefully white people will care enough to find one rather than pursuing their own agenda's or wasting time being affronted. Because black people deserve a dialogue on the discrimination and death they may face, on the terrifying fear they feel everyday.
Anonymous said
Jul 6 2:43 PM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
In answer to the anon who stupidly said more whites are peodophiles in the UK than Asian.... That's hardly surprising when less than 2% of UK residents are from Pakistan and less than 5% of the population are Muslim.
That was not the point though, ALL paodophiles are damaged and dangerous, where the grooming gangs differed was the fact they were not only grooming and raping often underage girls, they were targeting white girls, which also made it a racist crime.
Asian men target Muslim Asian children as well as white children. But it is not as well publicised as Muslim girls very rarely come forward due to the abuser usually being a family member. The statistics for sexual child abuse is that white males commit roughly 85% of the crime. The repulsive abhorrent act is rarely race motivated. These men are deviants, compelled to act out sexual violence against children and overall race is not usually a factor. Sexual acts against children are primarily a sex crime. Possibly the worthy topic needs it's own thread.
The list posted above of black people is only a tiny percentage of people slain for their skin colour , one was a child, which is thankfully being supported hugely on Twitter. It highlights with bitterly heartbreaking clarity how black people endure terrible abuse due to the colour of their skin.
These poor men and women were killed for simply going to the shops or birdwatching, attending parties, things white people would never fear doing. But sadly this is the reality of life for black people. Racism in the police force is rife especially in America and has been covered up for way to long. When racism takes the form of murder and people are being slaughtered for the colour of their skin by those who are meant to protect them and ensure their safety no one can argue that racism is completely out of control.
I do understand why people may dislike the term White Privellege, but if anyone here honestly fears that going to the shops, Cashing a Cheque or reading a book in their car will result in their death I would be most surprised. The loathing of black people is also far more prevalent in America and the police brutality totally unchecked.
Admitting White Privellege exists is the same as saying racism exists and no one is denying that. The problem is where to go from here.
Michelle Obama who admitted she has experienced racism many times says all she feels she can do to halt the hatred white people must feel is to carry on as normal. To continue being a good mother, doing the chores etc so white people can see there is nothing to fear. I found that quite moving. Skin colour is just that, a colour. How can anybody hate or fear a colour enough to kill someone for it.
Constructive ideas on how to deal with violent racists is what is needed now. Both here and in the US. Education is key. Maybe teaching children fairly early on how looking different has no bearing on a person being 'good ' or 'bad '. But if that child goes home to hear racist rhetoric all the good work will be undone, I admit I have no answers. Does anyone have any ideas how such ingrained needless prejudices can be changed?
Putting our heads in the sand is not working, there has to be a better way. Hopefully white people will care enough to find one rather than pursuing their own agenda's or wasting time being affronted. Because black people deserve a dialogue on the discrimination and death they may face, on the terrifying fear they feel everyday.
What a load of self indulged bollocks..... so white people dont feel fear, intimidation, vulnerable, threatened in mainly black populated areas?.... go give your head a wobble.... fucking idiot!
BackGammon said
Jul 6 2:43 PM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
Hate has no limit. You are right, but it shouldn’t be covered up defended as you are all doing here.
All?
Anonymous said
Jul 6 2:57 PM, 2020
Syl wrote:
Diggers post was excellent, as were the points you made. We had the discussion about 'taking the knee'...(what a ridiculous expression that is) last week.
I wouldn't kneel for anyone, alternatively I wouldn't expect anyone to kneel for me either.
I would take the knee.
For all the black men hung and left to perish for not picking enough cotton on time.While drunken boorish white men laughed at him and merrily drank while he slowly died.
Or the black maids raped because the "master" of the house bought her and therefore thinks he can use her body for his own satisfaction.
No body is denying that historically the white man is responsible for racism because they had all the power and used that power to enslave torture rape and murder people just because they had a dark skin colour.
I don't understand why this forum is seemingly at odds with most people on all social media. We are not talking about Libya, so let's stayou on topic a a white policeman murdered a black man in cold blood for nothing. He heard the man pleading and kept on suffocating himl. That man is dead and his family lost their son and brother just because he was black. It's like nothing has changed from all those years ago.
Why even comment about being too proud to take the knee when good people are dying? There is no one who needs to take the knee for you, nothing has happened to you, your life is not in danger, you are not spat at and asked when you will be returning to the jungle. Historically if your ancestors were white they were safe and secure also.
Black people don't "want" people to take the knee for them! White people are choosing to do it, because black people are still being murdered due to bigotry. Who puts pride before wanting murder to stop?
What are your thoughts on all the deaths of black people caused by racism, not just Syl but JD , Digger. You seem to turn to other examples when there is outrage everywhere about the cold blooded murder of black people in this day and age. Don't you think it's terrible that men and women merely walking home from shops or reading in their car have been killed just because of their skin colour?
White people have admitted this would never happen to them and they don't fear doing these everyday things as black people do. So they have admitted they are lucky to be white and have White Privellege. Why is that ridiculous?
Furthermore, why is taking the knee ridiculous?? All colours creeds and genders are doing it.
Anonymous said
Jul 6 3:52 PM, 2020
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Did anyone tell the young white kids in multiple towns and cities throughout the UK who were/are groomed, raped, passed around like pieces of meat to mainly Pakistani, Muslim family members and friends that they had 'white privelege'?
What's that got to do with racism against black adults??
The predatory mentality of Muslim males about young girls is a completely different subject..and I share your opinion on it. Why such a defensive attitude that racism against black people exists though? It enraged you so much you changed the subject to Muslim paedophiles..who don't only abuse white girls as you sadly seem to believe.
They also prey on young Muslim girls in their own families and these courageous girls who spoke out were not believed and were consequently disowned by their family.
White Privelege exists and so do Muslim male predators who target young white and Muslim girls (in the main). The two are not mutually exclusive Syl..
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about racism? Do you think it only works one way??
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about 'white privilege'? Categorising people by colour into a privileged group is racist in itself.
If you think the majority of the Muslim rapists treat their own girls like sluts to be shared around you are wrong. They may abuse them but certainly not in the same way they have abused the white girls.
I am neither defensive or enraged, simply countering the views you have previously given.
Racism only seems to work one way for woke culture which is ludicrous in the extreme - but it seems everything and anything bad that has ever happened throughout history is all (usually British) evil whitey's fault.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 5th of July 2020 06:22:15 PM
The sad thing about all this misplaced anger is the statistics show the majority of paedophiles are white JD, even including the gangs of Muslim men who prey on white and Asian girls doesn't change that. Of course it's a different thing, child abuse is not always a racist act. Racism always is.
There may be a preferred colour and gender for an abuser but this is by no means true on every occasion -unless one intends to focus solely on the Muslim sex gangs to show white girl children also suffer due to racist oppression. It's a unique defence and imo not a suitable one, child abuse which happens to children of all creeds and colours should be fought against with all one's might but under the correct and tragic umbrella of child abuse so children of ALL colours ages and genders can be included and hence protected.
Regarding your last statement , white people are responsible for slavery so yes they are responsible for racism because they created a law that declared they owned people based on skin colour. Black men were their property , bought and sold, victimised and often killed. And as unsavoury a notion as it is black children were white mens to abuse. I would have preferred to keep children out of an already emotive issue of race, but since it has been introduced, morally sound or not, there lies the unsavoury truth.
No, white people are not to blame for everything JD, but racism? Due to slavery and their degradation of the black Man certainly.
Racist child abuse is always a racist act. Racism when its proven to have taken place is of course racism. Correct.
The majority of paedophiles may well be white. But all paedophiles are utter scum. Let's stick to that. Let's not concentrate on skin colour.
Why focus on a times way back in history when a high proportion of people around the planet at that time had low opinions of black people. Why not focus on now, let's focus on now. Things have hugely improved. But admittedly there is still work to do.
However, you won't never completely eliminate racist bigots from society. People need to bear that in mind. Don't expect that to ever occur. Scumbags of varying kinds will always be around! That's life for ya.
I toiled all night to write the list for you JP lol. Thankyou for your civil response.
All I would say is that when the bigots are the police and murdering black people almost on a whim something needs to be done and rather urgently. The racism in America is out of control by quite some margin as black people are not safe and they know they cannot trust the police to help them. The fear must be eroding their liberty.
It's very noble for white people to show unconditional support and admit white privelege exists but it doesn't help the black people being abused, maybe even killed even as we speak in America primarily but also in impoverished areas of the capital and other large cities in the UK.
How can we move forward in practical terms and help people?
Anonymous said
Jul 6 4:08 PM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Did anyone tell the young white kids in multiple towns and cities throughout the UK who were/are groomed, raped, passed around like pieces of meat to mainly Pakistani, Muslim family members and friends that they had 'white privelege'?
What's that got to do with racism against black adults??
The predatory mentality of Muslim males about young girls is a completely different subject..and I share your opinion on it. Why such a defensive attitude that racism against black people exists though? It enraged you so much you changed the subject to Muslim paedophiles..who don't only abuse white girls as you sadly seem to believe.
They also prey on young Muslim girls in their own families and these courageous girls who spoke out were not believed and were consequently disowned by their family.
White Privelege exists and so do Muslim male predators who target young white and Muslim girls (in the main). The two are not mutually exclusive Syl..
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about racism? Do you think it only works one way??
How can it be a different subject when you are talking about 'white privilege'? Categorising people by colour into a privileged group is racist in itself.
If you think the majority of the Muslim rapists treat their own girls like sluts to be shared around you are wrong. They may abuse them but certainly not in the same way they have abused the white girls.
I am neither defensive or enraged, simply countering the views you have previously given.
Racism only seems to work one way for woke culture which is ludicrous in the extreme - but it seems everything and anything bad that has ever happened throughout history is all (usually British) evil whitey's fault.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 5th of July 2020 06:22:15 PM
The sad thing about all this misplaced anger is the statistics show the majority of paedophiles are white JD, even including the gangs of Muslim men who prey on white and Asian girls doesn't change that. Of course it's a different thing, child abuse is not always a racist act. Racism always is.
There may be a preferred colour and gender for an abuser but this is by no means true on every occasion -unless one intends to focus solely on the Muslim sex gangs to show white girl children also suffer due to racist oppression. It's a unique defence and imo not a suitable one, child abuse which happens to children of all creeds and colours should be fought against with all one's might but under the correct and tragic umbrella of child abuse so children of ALL colours ages and genders can be included and hence protected.
Regarding your last statement , white people are responsible for slavery so yes they are responsible for racism because they created a law that declared they owned people based on skin colour. Black men were their property , bought and sold, victimised and often killed. And as unsavoury a notion as it is black children were white mens to abuse. I would have preferred to keep children out of an already emotive issue of race, but since it has been introduced, morally sound or not, there lies the unsavoury truth.
No, white people are not to blame for everything JD, but racism? Due to slavery and their degradation of the black Man certainly.
Racist child abuse is always a racist act. Racism when its proven to have taken place is of course racism. Correct.
The majority of paedophiles may well be white. But all paedophiles are utter scum. Let's stick to that. Let's not concentrate on skin colour.
Why focus on a times way back in history when a high proportion of people around the planet at that time had low opinions of black people. Why not focus on now, let's focus on now. Things have hugely improved. But admittedly there is still work to do.
However, you won't never completely eliminate racist bigots from society. People need to bear that in mind. Don't expect that to ever occur. Scumbags of varying kinds will always be around! That's life for ya.
Hate has no limit. You are right, but it shouldn’t be covered up defended as you are all doing here.
JP is not covering it up, nor are other members. In fairness some have been quite brave in revealing their true stance on such an emotive issue.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It would be rather tedious if everyone was a in clique that expressed the same views.
There have been, and still are, many cultures who had/have slaves.
The Tuareg and others who are indigenous to Libya facilitated the slave trade from the south along the trans Saharan trade routes. In the 1830s – a period when slave trade flourished Ghadames was handling 2,500 slaves a year. Even though the slave trade was officially abolished in Tripoli in 1853, it continued openly until the 1890s. And still does to this day.
What the ILO calls “the new slavery” in Libya takes in 25 million people in debt bondage and 15 million in forced marriage. As an illicit industry, it is one of the world’s most lucrative, earning criminal networks $150 billion a year, just behind drug smuggling and weapons trafficking.
After receiving unverified CNN video of a November 2017 slave auction in Libya, a human trafficker told Al Jazeera that hundreds of migrants are bought and sold across the country every week.
Slavery is rife all over Africa and the Middle East. Still. Right now
Kuwait. Poor workers sold and resold into domestic slavery.
The sellers almost all advocated confiscating the women's passports, confining them to the house, denying them any time off and giving them little or no access to a phone.The 4Sale app allowed you to filter by race, with different price brackets clearly on offer, according to category."African worker, clean and smiley," said one listing. Another: "Nepalese who dares to ask for a day off."When speaking to the sellers, the undercover team frequently heard racist language. "Indians are the dirtiest," said one, describing a woman being advertised. Facebook said it had banned the Arabic hashtag "خادمات للتنازل#" - which translates as "#maidsfortransfer".
So, perhaps consider what's happening in the here and now...and from the slave traders/traffickers who are not 'white privileged.
What about all the black slaves brought in South America and the Caribbean by the Spaniards and Portuguese?
How come no one dares talk about “Latino” guilt and reparations?
It's easy to sit behind your computer, cosy and safe with your proxy IP, spouting platitudes about white privilege and BLM. How about you get off your fat arse and focus on the real racists.
Go educate yourself and read Tidiane N’Diaye's book titled: The veiled genocide.
Ultimately I get sick of people slagging off and putting the UK down. This Country is without doubt one of the fairest and just, actually too fair and soft at times, places on the planet.
Hate has no limit. You are right, but it shouldn’t be covered up defended as you are all doing here.
Well said.
That is an excellent post and why is it ignored that it was frequently Africans selling their war captives as slaves to the colonial powers - the Kings of Dahomey (now Benin) for example and they continued to do so in vast numbers that were only reduced after the UK abolished slavery (the Slave Trade Act 1807) and others followed.
But yet again it's all evil Whitey's fault,
That doesn't actually happen.
I wont ever apologise for being white, why should I, why should anyone who treats others as equals.?
I am not taking the knee for anyone, why should I?
Terrible as what happened to (the career criminal) George was it has absolutely nothing to do with me or the UK for that matter.
I notice none of the points from my long post on the previous page have been addressed and neither have Diggers.
People should realise that CM is not DS (or the woke run BBC) and accusing people of being racist/defending racism for stating incontrovertible historical facts does not get the discussion shut down on here because debate is actually allowed.
-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 6th of July 2020 01:04:25 AM
We had the discussion about 'taking the knee'...(what a ridiculous expression that is) last week.
I wouldn't kneel for anyone, alternatively I wouldn't expect anyone to kneel for me either.
It really is.
That's hardly surprising when less than 2% of UK residents are from Pakistan and less than 5% of the population are Muslim.
That was not the point though, ALL paodophiles are damaged and dangerous, where the grooming gangs differed was the fact they were not only grooming and raping often underage girls, they were targeting white girls, which also made it a racist crime.
I understand you may be offended at the term white Privellege but the list below cannot be denied.
The lives below were lost because the person doing these activities were black. No white person is afraid of doing the activities listed below.
Google the name of the deceased to see the exact incident that killed them if you wish.
Below is the activity the black person was doing when slain by police. Why you may ask. Why indeed.
Jogging #AmaudArbery
Relaxing at home #BothemSean
#AtatianJefferson
Birding #ChristianCooper
Asking for help
After a car crash #JonathanFerrell
#RenishaMcBride
Owning a Phone #StephonClark
Leaving a Party #JordanEdwards
Playing loud Music #JordanDavis
Sleeping #AiyanaJones
Walking from Shops #Mike Brown
Going to Church #Charleston9
Partying on New Year #OscarGrant
Shopping #JohnCrawford
Being 6 years old
(walking with relative) # CliffordGlover
Running #WalterScott
Breathing #EricGamer
Being Alive #FreddieGray
Reading a Book #Keith Scott
Cashing a Cheque #YvonneSmallwood
Decorating for a Party #ClaudeReese
Being arrested without
Fear of being murdered #GeorgeFloyd
Any spelling mistakes of the deceased are my own. If you cannot find the details of their wrongful death post the name JP and I will provide the correct spelling.
Nobody here can truly say they fear being murdered while doing any of the above but black people, especially those living in America, DO fear being killed or injured everytime they do any activity. We are lucky to be white and those who deny the existence of White Privellege should educate themselves of the facts surrounding the subject.
-- Edited by Digger on Monday 6th of July 2020 11:00:21 AM
Well yes, people never let the facts get in the way of their hatred of white people (who are apparently all evil and racist).
This is perhaps the most inclusive and tolerant country in the world and had endless positive discrimination schemes (which against anyone but Caucasian would be castigated as racist) but that is never mentioned.
Of course it's not.
The BBC casting is often so ludicrous now it is not even funny - for example.
Achilles, the sulking, invincible, demi-god teenager with boundless golden locks was now played by a bald, middle-aged black bloke (very well to be fair given the script) in 'Troy'.
For anyone who has read the classics you know now what is to come.
-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 6th of July 2020 02:20:57 AM
Is this list a compilation of what has happened in the US? Their police force is absolutely NOTHING like our police force.
By the way, I don't have to scan down your list far to find a glaring error. Third one down, not slain by police at all....he is alive and well and still posting his vids.
Asian men target Muslim Asian children as well as white children. But it is not as well publicised as Muslim girls very rarely come forward due to the abuser usually being a family member. The statistics for sexual child abuse is that white males commit roughly 85% of the crime. The repulsive abhorrent act is rarely race motivated. These men are deviants, compelled to act out sexual violence against children and overall race is not usually a factor. Sexual acts against children are primarily a sex crime. Possibly the worthy topic needs it's own thread.
The list posted above of black people is only a tiny percentage of people slain for their skin colour , one was a child, which is thankfully being supported hugely on Twitter. It highlights with bitterly heartbreaking clarity how black people endure terrible abuse due to the colour of their skin.
These poor men and women were killed for simply going to the shops or birdwatching, attending parties, things white people would never fear doing. But sadly this is the reality of life for black people. Racism in the police force is rife especially in America and has been covered up for way to long. When racism takes the form of murder and people are being slaughtered for the colour of their skin by those who are meant to protect them and ensure their safety no one can argue that racism is completely out of control.
I do understand why people may dislike the term White Privellege, but if anyone here honestly fears that going to the shops, Cashing a Cheque or reading a book in their car will result in their death I would be most surprised. The loathing of black people is also far more prevalent in America and the police brutality totally unchecked.
Admitting White Privellege exists is the same as saying racism exists and no one is denying that. The problem is where to go from here.
Michelle Obama who admitted she has experienced racism many times says all she feels she can do to halt the hatred white people must feel is to carry on as normal. To continue being a good mother, doing the chores etc so white people can see there is nothing to fear. I found that quite moving. Skin colour is just that, a colour. How can anybody hate or fear a colour enough to kill someone for it.
Constructive ideas on how to deal with violent racists is what is needed now. Both here and in the US. Education is key. Maybe teaching children fairly early on how looking different has no bearing on a person being 'good ' or 'bad '. But if that child goes home to hear racist rhetoric all the good work will be undone, I admit I have no answers. Does anyone have any ideas how such ingrained needless prejudices can be changed?
Putting our heads in the sand is not working, there has to be a better way. Hopefully white people will care enough to find one rather than pursuing their own agenda's or wasting time being affronted. Because black people deserve a dialogue on the discrimination and death they may face, on the terrifying fear they feel everyday.
What a load of self indulged bollocks..... so white people dont feel fear, intimidation, vulnerable, threatened in mainly black populated areas?.... go give your head a wobble.... fucking idiot!
All?
I would take the knee.
For all the black men hung and left to perish for not picking enough cotton on time.While drunken boorish white men laughed at him and merrily drank while he slowly died.
Or the black maids raped because the "master" of the house bought her and therefore thinks he can use her body for his own satisfaction.
No body is denying that historically the white man is responsible for racism because they had all the power and used that power to enslave torture rape and murder people just because they had a dark skin colour.
I don't understand why this forum is seemingly at odds with most people on all social media. We are not talking about Libya, so let's stayou on topic a a white policeman murdered a black man in cold blood for nothing. He heard the man pleading and kept on suffocating himl. That man is dead and his family lost their son and brother just because he was black. It's like nothing has changed from all those years ago.
Why even comment about being too proud to take the knee when good people are dying? There is no one who needs to take the knee for you, nothing has happened to you, your life is not in danger, you are not spat at and asked when you will be returning to the jungle. Historically if your ancestors were white they were safe and secure also.
Black people don't "want" people to take the knee for them! White people are choosing to do it, because black people are still being murdered due to bigotry. Who puts pride before wanting murder to stop?
What are your thoughts on all the deaths of black people caused by racism, not just Syl but JD , Digger. You seem to turn to other examples when there is outrage everywhere about the cold blooded murder of black people in this day and age. Don't you think it's terrible that men and women merely walking home from shops or reading in their car have been killed just because of their skin colour?
White people have admitted this would never happen to them and they don't fear doing these everyday things as black people do. So they have admitted they are lucky to be white and have White Privellege. Why is that ridiculous?
Furthermore, why is taking the knee ridiculous?? All colours creeds and genders are doing it.
I toiled all night to write the list for you JP lol. Thankyou for your civil response.
All I would say is that when the bigots are the police and murdering black people almost on a whim something needs to be done and rather urgently. The racism in America is out of control by quite some margin as black people are not safe and they know they cannot trust the police to help them. The fear must be eroding their liberty.
It's very noble for white people to show unconditional support and admit white privelege exists but it doesn't help the black people being abused, maybe even killed even as we speak in America primarily but also in impoverished areas of the capital and other large cities in the UK.
How can we move forward in practical terms and help people?
JP is not covering it up, nor are other members. In fairness some have been quite brave in revealing their true stance on such an emotive issue.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It would be rather tedious if everyone was a in clique that expressed the same views.