Not that this really matters, but it wasn't a parent that did this. It was an 18 year old that reacted to a Youtube video he saw on Facebook, posted by one of the parents. Apparently the story had gone viral in France and the school and teacher had been getting threats for a few days.
Of course he was getting threats, it is the religion of peace after all.
The parents who posted the video must have known it would inflame some fanatical zealot so they are complicit in the poor man's death.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:53:37 PM
Brahim Chnina is, in my opinion, and the opinion of many, to be the architect of this atrocity. He published this man's personal RL details on social media, then whipped up a storm at the local mosque. If that isn't incitement to murder, I don't know what is. He knew it cause a furore, and it did. In the worst possible way. There's even suggestions that his daughter was not even in the class at the time.
I don't know if he's one of the people arrested, and I've only seen one of his videos. He apparently used social media to whip up hatred against the teacher, and now social media will hopefully get him convicted if he did that. Using social media can really backfire sometimes.
I dont know French law, but unless he told people to harm another person, he couldnt be arrested here.
And this plays into my problematic double standard. The explodey people are going to say the cartoons are hateful yet acceptable, but our anger about them isn't. They will claim they are required to just accept it, and lack the freedom to express their displeasure on social media.
Digger said
Oct 21 5:49 PM, 2020
Maddog wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Not that this really matters, but it wasn't a parent that did this. It was an 18 year old that reacted to a Youtube video he saw on Facebook, posted by one of the parents. Apparently the story had gone viral in France and the school and teacher had been getting threats for a few days.
Of course he was getting threats, it is the religion of peace after all.
The parents who posted the video must have known it would inflame some fanatical zealot so they are complicit in the poor man's death.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:53:37 PM
Brahim Chnina is, in my opinion, and the opinion of many, to be the architect of this atrocity. He published this man's personal RL details on social media, then whipped up a storm at the local mosque. If that isn't incitement to murder, I don't know what is. He knew it cause a furore, and it did. In the worst possible way. There's even suggestions that his daughter was not even in the class at the time.
I don't know if he's one of the people arrested, and I've only seen one of his videos. He apparently used social media to whip up hatred against the teacher, and now social media will hopefully get him convicted if he did that. Using social media can really backfire sometimes.
I dont know French law, but unless he told people to harm another person, he couldnt be arrested here.
And this plays into my problematic double standard. The explodey people are going to say the cartoons are hateful yet acceptable, but our anger about them isn't. They will claim they are required to just accept it, and lack the freedom to express their displeasure on social media.
Allegedly, he issued a death fatwa.
Maddog said
Oct 21 6:01 PM, 2020
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Not that this really matters, but it wasn't a parent that did this. It was an 18 year old that reacted to a Youtube video he saw on Facebook, posted by one of the parents. Apparently the story had gone viral in France and the school and teacher had been getting threats for a few days.
Of course he was getting threats, it is the religion of peace after all.
The parents who posted the video must have known it would inflame some fanatical zealot so they are complicit in the poor man's death.
-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:53:37 PM
Brahim Chnina is, in my opinion, and the opinion of many, to be the architect of this atrocity. He published this man's personal RL details on social media, then whipped up a storm at the local mosque. If that isn't incitement to murder, I don't know what is. He knew it cause a furore, and it did. In the worst possible way. There's even suggestions that his daughter was not even in the class at the time.
I don't know if he's one of the people arrested, and I've only seen one of his videos. He apparently used social media to whip up hatred against the teacher, and now social media will hopefully get him convicted if he did that. Using social media can really backfire sometimes.
I dont know French law, but unless he told people to harm another person, he couldnt be arrested here.
And this plays into my problematic double standard. The explodey people are going to say the cartoons are hateful yet acceptable, but our anger about them isn't. They will claim they are required to just accept it, and lack the freedom to express their displeasure on social media.
Allegedly, he issued a death fatwa.
And if that's the case, he's in trouble.
But if he simply said the infidels should burn in hell for their mocking of Big Mo, I'm not sure that's any different than the original mocking.
Digger said
Oct 21 6:02 PM, 2020
Anzorov had offered pupils at Paty's school money to help him find the teacher as he did not know what Paty looked like.
The prosecutor said the two accused youngsters had stayed with Anzorov even after he told them he wanted to 'humiliate and strike' Paty.
The teens are among seven people who will face prosecution for 'conspiracy to commit a terrorist murder', said Ricard.
The others include the father of one of Paty's pupils, Brahim Chnina, who started the social media campaign against the teacher even though his daughter was not in class when the cartoons were shown.
The father had exchanged messages with Anzorov via WhatsApp in the days leading up to the murder.
A fourth suspect is a known Islamist radical who helped the father in his campaign.
Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin has accused the two men of having issued a 'fatwa' against Paty.
Three of Anzorov's friends complete the suspect list, one of whom allegedly drove him to the scene of the crime while another accompanied him to purchase a weapon.
Just days before his murder it was Paty who was questioned at a police station, telling officers: 'I did not commit any offence.'
The teacher was summoned after a schoolgirl's father complained that his showing cartoons of Mohammed amounted to 'dissemination of pornographic images.'
But Paty told officers that the child was absent from his class on October 6 and that her story was founded on 'student rumours' with the intention to 'damage my image, the college and the institution.'
John Doe said
Oct 21 6:26 PM, 2020
Digger wrote:
Anzorov had offered pupils at Paty's school money to help him find the teacher as he did not know what Paty looked like.
The prosecutor said the two accused youngsters had stayed with Anzorov even after he told them he wanted to 'humiliate and strike' Paty.
The teens are among seven people who will face prosecution for 'conspiracy to commit a terrorist murder', said Ricard.
The others include the father of one of Paty's pupils, Brahim Chnina, who started the social media campaign against the teacher even though his daughter was not in class when the cartoons were shown.
The father had exchanged messages with Anzorov via WhatsApp in the days leading up to the murder.
A fourth suspect is a known Islamist radical who helped the father in his campaign.
Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin has accused the two men of having issued a 'fatwa' against Paty.
Three of Anzorov's friends complete the suspect list, one of whom allegedly drove him to the scene of the crime while another accompanied him to purchase a weapon.
Just days before his murder it was Paty who was questioned at a police station, telling officers: 'I did not commit any offence.'
The teacher was summoned after a schoolgirl's father complained that his showing cartoons of Mohammed amounted to 'dissemination of pornographic images.'
But Paty told officers that the child was absent from his class on October 6 and that her story was founded on 'student rumours' with the intention to 'damage my image, the college and the institution.'
I hope they all get sent down for a very long time.
Maddog said
Oct 21 8:33 PM, 2020
Digger wrote:
Anzorov had offered pupils at Paty's school money to help him find the teacher as he did not know what Paty looked like.
The prosecutor said the two accused youngsters had stayed with Anzorov even after he told them he wanted to 'humiliate and strike' Paty.
The teens are among seven people who will face prosecution for 'conspiracy to commit a terrorist murder', said Ricard.
The others include the father of one of Paty's pupils, Brahim Chnina, who started the social media campaign against the teacher even though his daughter was not in class when the cartoons were shown.
The father had exchanged messages with Anzorov via WhatsApp in the days leading up to the murder.
A fourth suspect is a known Islamist radical who helped the father in his campaign.
Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin has accused the two men of having issued a 'fatwa' against Paty.
Three of Anzorov's friends complete the suspect list, one of whom allegedly drove him to the scene of the crime while another accompanied him to purchase a weapon.
Just days before his murder it was Paty who was questioned at a police station, telling officers: 'I did not commit any offence.'
The teacher was summoned after a schoolgirl's father complained that his showing cartoons of Mohammed amounted to 'dissemination of pornographic images.'
But Paty told officers that the child was absent from his class on October 6 and that her story was founded on 'student rumours' with the intention to 'damage my image, the college and the institution.'
Yeah, that's intent to cause harm, not angry words.
John Doe said
Nov 3 10:15 PM, 2020
So it turns out the Vienna attacker was a young Jihadist released early from prison.
When will UK and European governments finally realise that few (if any) of these fanatics will ever be truly rehabilitated?
They should start giving far longer sentences to the murderous bastards.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 3rd of November 2020 10:16:03 PM
I dont know French law, but unless he told people to harm another person, he couldnt be arrested here.
And this plays into my problematic double standard. The explodey people are going to say the cartoons are hateful yet acceptable, but our anger about them isn't. They will claim they are required to just accept it, and lack the freedom to express their displeasure on social media.
Allegedly, he issued a death fatwa.
And if that's the case, he's in trouble.
But if he simply said the infidels should burn in hell for their mocking of Big Mo, I'm not sure that's any different than the original mocking.
The prosecutor said the two accused youngsters had stayed with Anzorov even after he told them he wanted to 'humiliate and strike' Paty.
The teens are among seven people who will face prosecution for 'conspiracy to commit a terrorist murder', said Ricard.
The others include the father of one of Paty's pupils, Brahim Chnina, who started the social media campaign against the teacher even though his daughter was not in class when the cartoons were shown.
The father had exchanged messages with Anzorov via WhatsApp in the days leading up to the murder.
A fourth suspect is a known Islamist radical who helped the father in his campaign.
Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin has accused the two men of having issued a 'fatwa' against Paty.
Three of Anzorov's friends complete the suspect list, one of whom allegedly drove him to the scene of the crime while another accompanied him to purchase a weapon.
Just days before his murder it was Paty who was questioned at a police station, telling officers: 'I did not commit any offence.'
The teacher was summoned after a schoolgirl's father complained that his showing cartoons of Mohammed amounted to 'dissemination of pornographic images.'
But Paty told officers that the child was absent from his class on October 6 and that her story was founded on 'student rumours' with the intention to 'damage my image, the college and the institution.'
I hope they all get sent down for a very long time.
Yeah, that's intent to cause harm, not angry words.
So it turns out the Vienna attacker was a young Jihadist released early from prison.
When will UK and European governments finally realise that few (if any) of these fanatics will ever be truly rehabilitated?
They should start giving far longer sentences to the murderous bastards.
-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 3rd of November 2020 10:16:03 PM