Thousands of women have been attacked, gone missing and murdered on the streets over the years. Why are they doing this now.
Why not?
Thousands of little girls had been murdered in the US before people campaigned and brought attention to her death, forcing laws to change, Meghan's law was brought in, the same in the UK, Sarah's law was introduced.
Sometimes one catastrophic event stirs up something in communities and people want to change the way things are dealt with.
This latest murder of Sarah Everard seems to have been one such murder.
-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 14th of March 2021 04:40:20 PM
Digger said
Mar 14 5:10 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Thousands of women have been attacked, gone missing and murdered on the streets over the years. Why are they doing this now.
Why not?
Thousands of little girls had been murdered in the US before people campaigned and brought attention to her death, forcing laws to change, Meghan's law was brought in, the same in the UK, Sarah's law was introduced.
Sometimes one catastrophic event stirs up something in communities and people want to change the way things are dealt with.
This latest murder of Sarah Everard seems to have been one such murder.
-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 14th of March 2021 04:40:20 PM
I do hope this jolts the system. But I get Magica's point too. Why now when so many have suffered worse. But that's society for you.
Magica said
Mar 14 5:17 PM, 2021
My thoughts too Digs. Things will never change, it's been happening for hundreds of years. I don't walk in the dark, that's just the way it is sadly.
Syl said
Mar 14 5:33 PM, 2021
Women were not allowed to vote and could be legally raped by their husbands for hundreds of years also....Just as well the women back then didn't have your attitudes.
Digger said
Mar 14 5:53 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Women were not allowed to vote and could be legally raped by their husbands for hundreds of years also....Just as well the women back then didn't have your attitudes.
Yes, that's true. But all that means is that the law was changed. What hasn't changed is how people behave. It's not a passive attitude I'm taking, nor an acceptance attitude. I'm just being realistic. Until we manage to stop certain negative human behaviours at source nothing will change. This means tackling how kids are brought up and taught. They are the next generation of potential criminals and psychopaths. Yet we still have bad parenting, cruelty to kids, failures with social workers, poor teaching skills, poverty etc. And drugs? That won't ever go away. That will just get worse.
John Doe said
Mar 14 6:00 PM, 2021
Magica wrote:
Thousands of women have been attacked, gone missing and murdered on the streets over the years. Why are they doing this now.
I suspect it because of social media which means such events are easy to organise and also it's like a mild form of mass hysteria, just like the BLM reaction here - there have always been terrible murders/massacres/rapes/torture of both sexes since the dawn of time.
If you look into history this is the most peaceful and non violent this country (and Europe) has ever been and I suspect ever will be even if new laws are passed.
It's the nature of the beast, we are hard wired as predators beneath the thin veneer of society as much of the rest of the world still proves.
It was only relatively recently that domestic abuse here was seen by the authorities as just between the couple involved.
I would agree with really increasing the ludicrously lenient sentences for rape and sexual offenses as I often wonder just what is going through some bloody judges minds.
Magica said
Mar 14 6:30 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Women were not allowed to vote and could be legally raped by their husbands for hundreds of years also....Just as well the women back then didn't have your attitudes.
I'm not saying about attacks or rape, what I am saying is why now. Why not years ago. Just feel too many jumping on the bandwagon as they did with BLM.
They're up London marching again shouting f... Priti Patel. These arnt just women protesting, they're hardliners out to cause trouble. If it was genuine I would go. This screaming hate isn't what that poor girls parents want imo.
-- Edited by Magica on Sunday 14th of March 2021 06:43:19 PM
Magica said
Mar 14 6:32 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Magica wrote:
Thousands of women have been attacked, gone missing and murdered on the streets over the years. Why are they doing this now.
I suspect it because of social media which means such events are easy to organise and also it's like a mild form of mass hysteria, just like the BLM reaction here - there have always been terrible murders/massacres/rapes/torture of both sexes since the dawn of time.
If you look into history this is the most peaceful and non violent this country (and Europe) has ever been and I suspect ever will be even if new laws are passed.
It's the nature of the beast, we are hard wired as predators beneath the thin veneer of society as much of the rest of the world still proves.
It was only relatively recently that domestic abuse here was seen by the authorities as just between the couple involved.
I would agree with really increasing the ludicrously lenient sentences for rape and sexual offenses as I often wonder just what is going through some bloody judges minds.
Well put together JD. Yes stupid sentences have got to be looked at and more severe sentences applied. Sick of rape sentences being a couple years.
Syl said
Mar 14 6:59 PM, 2021
Changes don't happen overnight, no one expects that.
Real change obviously has to start from educating young minds, both male and female.
The long term goal has to be women having the right to walk the roads without fearing male interference. It should be the rights of every woman to do so and the right of every man not to be looked at as a possible threat.
How ridiculous is it for the few men hating minority to be shouting about curfews for men? But it's OK and seemingly acceptable for so many women to have self-imposed curfews inflicted on them because of their fear of being out alone at night.
Anonymous said
Mar 14 7:09 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Women were not allowed to vote and could be legally raped by their husbands for hundreds of years also....Just as well the women back then didn't have your attitudes.
Most men were not allowed to vote either, but that fact is often overlooked. However there is nothing I can't agree with with your comment. A developed society with resources to spare should use those resources to improve the conditions for the vulnerable in society.
Anonymous said
Mar 14 7:21 PM, 2021
I find some sentences are lenient. I have no issue for having a death penalty for heinous crimes in which the guilt is certain beyond doubt. I also have no issue for heinous sexual crimes to include the punishment of castration - removal of the testes. I have heard that when testosterone is low this reduces the sex drive in men.
However I recognise there is no desire for this among our leaders, the elite, nor progressives in general.
Syl said
Mar 15 1:38 AM, 2021
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Women were not allowed to vote and could be legally raped by their husbands for hundreds of years also....Just as well the women back then didn't have your attitudes.
Most men were not allowed to vote either, but that fact is often overlooked. However there is nothing I can't agree with with your comment. A developed society with resources to spare should use those resources to improve the conditions for the vulnerable in society.
In 1832 The Great Reform Act defined voters as 'male persons'. The suffragette movement began. As usual women had to fight to gain equal opportunity. Almost a century later they eventually succeeded.
Anonymous said
Mar 15 9:00 AM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Women were not allowed to vote and could be legally raped by their husbands for hundreds of years also....Just as well the women back then didn't have your attitudes.
Most men were not allowed to vote either, but that fact is often overlooked. However there is nothing I can't agree with with your comment. A developed society with resources to spare should use those resources to improve the conditions for the vulnerable in society.
In 1832 The Great Reform Act defined voters as 'male persons'. The suffragette movement began. As usual women had to fight to gain equal opportunity. Almost a century later they eventually succeeded.
After the Third Reform Act in 1884, 60% of male householders over the age of 21 had the vote. This left 40% who did not - including the poorest in society. Thus millions of soldiers returning from WWI would still not have been entitled to vote in the long overdue general election. (The last election had been in December 1910. An election had been scheduled for 1916, but was postponed to a time after the war.)
The Representation of the People Act 1918 was an Act of Parliament passed to reform the electoral system in Great Britain and Ireland. It is sometimes known as the Fourth Reform Act. The Act extended the franchise in parliamentary elections, also known as the right to vote, to men aged over 21, whether or not they owned property, and to women aged over 30 who resided in the constituency or occupied land or premises with a rateable value above £5, or whose husbands did. At the same time, it extended the local government franchise to include women aged over 21 on the same terms as men.
As a result of the Act, the male electorate was extended by 5.2 million to 12.9 million. The female electorate was 8.5 million, or 2 in 5 adult women. The Act also created new electoral arrangements, including making residence in a specific constituency the basis of the right to vote, institutionalising the first-past-the-post method of election, and rejecting proportional representation, although this failed by only seven votes in the Commons during the Act's progress.
It was not until the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act 1928 that women gained electoral equality. The 1928 Act gave the vote to all women aged over 21, regardless of any property qualification, which added another five million women to the electorate.
Anonymous said
Mar 15 9:20 AM, 2021
The Representation of the People Act 1832 (also known as the Great Reform Act) .... designedto correct abuses .... Before the reform the number of electors in a borough varied from a dozen or so up to 12,000. Criteria for qualification for the franchise varied greatly among boroughs.
The Act granted seats in the House of Commons to large cities that had sprung up during the Industrial Revolutionand removed seats from the "rotten boroughs": those with very small electorates and usually dominated by a wealthy patron.
The Act also increased the electorate from about 400,000 to 650,000, making about one in five adult males eligible to vote.
Magica said
Mar 15 11:16 AM, 2021
Many women choose not to vote, putting the suffragettes hard earned right to vote to shame. I always vote, they fought for all us women, some even died. I don't forget.
Syl said
Mar 15 11:54 AM, 2021
It all makes for interesting reading.
Mags, Yes women did fight and even die to give women the vote. They also fought to give women the choice.
I have chosen not to vote a couple of times in my life.
I could never vote Conservative, and I sure as hell couldn't vote for the creep Corbyn, so I exercised my right as a woman to choose. I chose to not vote for either.
Magica said
Mar 15 1:18 PM, 2021
Me too I voted Green instead lol
Magica said
Mar 15 1:35 PM, 2021
That ginger student who was held down, spat in a policeman face! She got what she deserved, now playing the victim. Hardliners tag on to all events to cause trouble, they always have.
Yep I've made out to look in shop window, pretended to do shoe, when I was young. I always hold my car key as a weapon in my fingers, always have. Also I know young men do this too.
Why not?
Thousands of little girls had been murdered in the US before people campaigned and brought attention to her death, forcing laws to change, Meghan's law was brought in, the same in the UK, Sarah's law was introduced.
Sometimes one catastrophic event stirs up something in communities and people want to change the way things are dealt with.
This latest murder of Sarah Everard seems to have been one such murder.
-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 14th of March 2021 04:40:20 PM
I do hope this jolts the system. But I get Magica's point too. Why now when so many have suffered worse. But that's society for you.
Women were not allowed to vote and could be legally raped by their husbands for hundreds of years also....Just as well the women back then didn't have your attitudes.
Yes, that's true. But all that means is that the law was changed. What hasn't changed is how people behave. It's not a passive attitude I'm taking, nor an acceptance attitude. I'm just being realistic. Until we manage to stop certain negative human behaviours at source nothing will change. This means tackling how kids are brought up and taught. They are the next generation of potential criminals and psychopaths. Yet we still have bad parenting, cruelty to kids, failures with social workers, poor teaching skills, poverty etc. And drugs? That won't ever go away. That will just get worse.
I suspect it because of social media which means such events are easy to organise and also it's like a mild form of mass hysteria, just like the BLM reaction here - there have always been terrible murders/massacres/rapes/torture of both sexes since the dawn of time.
If you look into history this is the most peaceful and non violent this country (and Europe) has ever been and I suspect ever will be even if new laws are passed.
It's the nature of the beast, we are hard wired as predators beneath the thin veneer of society as much of the rest of the world still proves.
It was only relatively recently that domestic abuse here was seen by the authorities as just between the couple involved.
I would agree with really increasing the ludicrously lenient sentences for rape and sexual offenses as I often wonder just what is going through some bloody judges minds.
I'm not saying about attacks or rape, what I am saying is why now. Why not years ago. Just feel too many jumping on the bandwagon as they did with BLM.
They're up London marching again shouting f... Priti Patel. These arnt just women protesting, they're hardliners out to cause trouble. If it was genuine I would go. This screaming hate isn't what that poor girls parents want imo.
-- Edited by Magica on Sunday 14th of March 2021 06:43:19 PM
Well put together JD. Yes stupid sentences have got to be looked at and more severe sentences applied. Sick of rape sentences being a couple years.
Real change obviously has to start from educating young minds, both male and female.
The long term goal has to be women having the right to walk the roads without fearing male interference. It should be the rights of every woman to do so and the right of every man not to be looked at as a possible threat.
How ridiculous is it for the few men hating minority to be shouting about curfews for men? But it's OK and seemingly acceptable for so many women to have self-imposed curfews inflicted on them because of their fear of being out alone at night.
Most men were not allowed to vote either, but that fact is often overlooked. However there is nothing I can't agree with with your comment. A developed society with resources to spare should use those resources to improve the conditions for the vulnerable in society.
I find some sentences are lenient. I have no issue for having a death penalty for heinous crimes in which the guilt is certain beyond doubt. I also have no issue for heinous sexual crimes to include the punishment of castration - removal of the testes. I have heard that when testosterone is low this reduces the sex drive in men.
However I recognise there is no desire for this among our leaders, the elite, nor progressives in general.
In 1832 The Great Reform Act defined voters as 'male persons'. The suffragette movement began. As usual women had to fight to gain equal opportunity. Almost a century later they eventually succeeded.
After the Third Reform Act in 1884, 60% of male householders over the age of 21 had the vote. This left 40% who did not - including the poorest in society. Thus millions of soldiers returning from WWI would still not have been entitled to vote in the long overdue general election. (The last election had been in December 1910. An election had been scheduled for 1916, but was postponed to a time after the war.)
The Representation of the People Act 1918 was an Act of Parliament passed to reform the electoral system in Great Britain and Ireland. It is sometimes known as the Fourth Reform Act. The Act extended the franchise in parliamentary elections, also known as the right to vote, to men aged over 21, whether or not they owned property, and to women aged over 30 who resided in the constituency or occupied land or premises with a rateable value above £5, or whose husbands did. At the same time, it extended the local government franchise to include women aged over 21 on the same terms as men.
As a result of the Act, the male electorate was extended by 5.2 million to 12.9 million. The female electorate was 8.5 million, or 2 in 5 adult women. The Act also created new electoral arrangements, including making residence in a specific constituency the basis of the right to vote, institutionalising the first-past-the-post method of election, and rejecting proportional representation, although this failed by only seven votes in the Commons during the Act's progress.
It was not until the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act 1928 that women gained electoral equality. The 1928 Act gave the vote to all women aged over 21, regardless of any property qualification, which added another five million women to the electorate.
The Representation of the People Act 1832 (also known as the Great Reform Act) .... designedto correct abuses .... Before the reform the number of electors in a borough varied from a dozen or so up to 12,000. Criteria for qualification for the franchise varied greatly among boroughs.
The Act granted seats in the House of Commons to large cities that had sprung up during the Industrial Revolutionand removed seats from the "rotten boroughs": those with very small electorates and usually dominated by a wealthy patron.
The Act also increased the electorate from about 400,000 to 650,000, making about one in five adult males eligible to vote.
Mags, Yes women did fight and even die to give women the vote. They also fought to give women the choice.
I have chosen not to vote a couple of times in my life.
I could never vote Conservative, and I sure as hell couldn't vote for the creep Corbyn, so I exercised my right as a woman to choose. I chose to not vote for either.
Yep I've made out to look in shop window, pretended to do shoe, when I was young. I always hold my car key as a weapon in my fingers, always have. Also I know young men do this too.