I do wonder if this was a set up Madders, it stinks to me.
If something was set up, they wouldn't have missed. The shot wasn't that difficult for someone with a little experience.
Unless you think Trump set it up. I doubt he'd be on board with that kid shooting at him..
When it comes to government making mistakes, it's 99% incompetence or a lack of diligence. Almost never some sort of treachery.
Oh no, no way would Trump do that. Who would set themselves up to be shot? No I wondered because the policemen did nothing when told about the shooter. Just me
Magica said
Jul 15 7:23 PM, 2024
Anonymous wrote:
During the run up to the 2020 Presidential Election I saw youtube videos of teachers telling their classes that Trump had been spotted in the building and then they got all the children to run out of class screaming for their lives. It also happened in University. This shooter would have been 16 at the time and would have likely been brainwashed by his teachers that Trump was a menace and evil. Four years later during the next Presidential Election cycle he tries to assassinate Trump and kills a bystander in the process. Wonder if his school can be taken to court.
😲 wow
Syl said
Jul 15 7:41 PM, 2024
It doesn't make sense to me.
The kid was spotted shimmying up to get on the roof. Then he had to slide along to get into position.
The authorities were told, reportedly by at least TWO different people that there was a man on the roof, apparently with a gun.
Why didn't the security get Trump off the stand before the kid had chance to fire?
Maddog said
Jul 15 9:00 PM, 2024
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
I do wonder if this was a set up Madders, it stinks to me.
If something was set up, they wouldn't have missed. The shot wasn't that difficult for someone with a little experience.
Unless you think Trump set it up. I doubt he'd be on board with that kid shooting at him..
When it comes to government making mistakes, it's 99% incompetence or a lack of diligence. Almost never some sort of treachery.
Oh no, no way would Trump do that. Who would set themselves up to be shot? No I wondered because the policemen did nothing when told about the shooter. Just me
They did do something.
They just moved slow and didn't engage..
This is a rural area of Pennsylvania. These cops aren't exactly the best trained in the business.
Again, government is typically incompetent, not diabolical..
Maddog said
Jul 15 9:03 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
It doesn't make sense to me.
The kid was spotted shimmying up to get on the roof. Then he had to slide along to get into position. The authorities were told, reportedly by at least TWO different people that there was a man on the roof, apparently with a gun. Why didn't the security get Trump off the stand before the kid had chance to fire?
That's a good question.
I don't know the timing, but if the cops were told there was a man on the roof, they shouldn't have waited until they sent a man up there. They could have moved Trump before the confirmation and then let him finish his speech if it turned out to be a false alarm..
Magica said
Jul 15 10:14 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
It doesn't make sense to me.
The kid was spotted shimmying up to get on the roof. Then he had to slide along to get into position. The authorities were told, reportedly by at least TWO different people that there was a man on the roof, apparently with a gun. Why didn't the security get Trump off the stand before the kid had chance to fire?
Exactly Syl. Why wasn't he taken down before.he could fire? Now Trump injured, 2 critically and one poor man dead!!
Maddog said
Jul 16 3:27 AM, 2024
So now it's even more complicated. It appears he was spotted on the roof 30 minutes before the shooting. Cops took a picture and let everyone know. Didn't have his rifle then. I imagine he was checking out his line of fire, but the cops probably figured it was a guy trying to watch Trump.
He goes down and gets back up there with his rifle. Meanwhile, when he was on the ground, he was acting weird and the cops were looking for him.
He's back on the roof, and the citizens that see him are telling cops that are running around looking for the weird kid acting strange.
I guess it took them too long to figure out that the guy on the roof before the speech, the guy on the ground acting strange and the guy that citizens were telling them about was the same guy.
Trump should have been pulled off the stage well before those shots were fired..
Vita said
Jul 16 8:00 AM, 2024
Magica wrote:
Vita wrote:
Magica wrote:
Vita wrote:
Bobby Kennedy Jr has been asking for security for months but keeps getting refused.
Seems he's been getting death threats but Biden is refusing him any secret service.
His father was murdered on the campaign in 68, do they want a repeat?
Of course Biden is. He is Obama and Clinton man. They will not win the Presidency.
Thankfully Trump wore one. That poor spectator killed.
A former firefighter, he died protecting his daughter.
There needs to be a full investigation into the whole thing, not a whitewash but a proper investigation.
I totally agree. I think there's more to it.
There's a saying, if there's an assassination or attempted assassination, don't ask about the shooter, ask who paid for the bullet.
You know something else that's odd, this twenty year old had no social media whatsoever.
What twenty year old has no online account of some description?
Syl said
Jul 16 11:58 AM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
So now it's even more complicated. It appears he was spotted on the roof 30 minutes before the shooting. Cops took a picture and let everyone know. Didn't have his rifle then. I imagine he was checking out his line of fire, but the cops probably figured it was a guy trying to watch Trump.
He goes down and gets back up there with his rifle. Meanwhile, when he was on the ground, he was acting weird and the cops were looking for him.
He's back on the roof, and the citizens that see him are telling cops that are running around looking for the weird kid acting strange.
I guess it took them too long to figure out that the guy on the roof before the speech, the guy on the ground acting strange and the guy that citizens were telling them about was the same guy.
Trump should have been pulled off the stage well before those shots were fired..
Why was the kid not detained when he was first seen on the roof? Some bystander said they saw him and thought he was up there to get a better look at the president. Then they saw the gun, and alerted the cops...even then Trump was allowed to continue his performance.
He was seen on that roof 20 minutes before Trump started his performance, he was free to climb down, get his gun, and climb back up again.
Such incompetence has to arouse suspicion surely.
Maddog said
Jul 16 12:42 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
So now it's even more complicated. It appears he was spotted on the roof 30 minutes before the shooting. Cops took a picture and let everyone know. Didn't have his rifle then. I imagine he was checking out his line of fire, but the cops probably figured it was a guy trying to watch Trump.
He goes down and gets back up there with his rifle. Meanwhile, when he was on the ground, he was acting weird and the cops were looking for him.
He's back on the roof, and the citizens that see him are telling cops that are running around looking for the weird kid acting strange.
I guess it took them too long to figure out that the guy on the roof before the speech, the guy on the ground acting strange and the guy that citizens were telling them about was the same guy.
Trump should have been pulled off the stage well before those shots were fired..
Why was the kid not detained when he was first seen on the roof? Some bystander said they saw him and thought he was up there to get a better look at the president. Then they saw the gun, and alerted the cops...even then Trump was allowed to continue his performance.
He was seen on that roof 20 minutes before Trump started his performance, he was free to climb down, get his gun, and climb back up again.
Such incompetence has to arouse suspicion surely.
I said before, these weren't secret service personnel but the local cops. I think what was happening was the area outside of the event was filled mostly with folks drinking and having a good time on a sunny summer day. It was a party atmosphere and the cops just became way too complacent..
The cops were astute enough to sense the kid was acting odd and they shared a picture of him, but that's where it ended. I don't think any of them bothered to talk to him.
Also, we live in a society where people overreact to the smallest threat. Anyone who has been a neighborhood Facebook pages has seen a dozen people talking about a suspicious guy walking down the street, and how someone has called the cops on that person. It's magnified by about a factor of 10 in a small town.
I think there's a little bit if the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" going on here.
Well, as in the fable, the wolf was real..
But ultimately, the secret service is responsible and their anti sniper team should have seen that kid on the roof. It was the perfect spot to fire from and they should have been watching that area like a hawk..
Everything insider the event requires going through a metal detector. Won't be any threat coming from there..
Maddog said
Jul 16 1:24 PM, 2024
Best video of the sheer incompetence..
Also, it appears the local police had a "command center" in the building..
What in the hell were they in command of?
The coffee machine??
Anonymous said
Jul 16 2:38 PM, 2024
The whole sequence of events seems sketchy AF to me.
(pass the tin foil)……Staged, imo.
Maddog said
Jul 16 4:19 PM, 2024
Vam wrote:
The whole sequence of events seems sketchy AF to me.
(pass the tin foil)……Staged, imo.
These people aren't competent enough to stage anything.
All of us have seen the sheer stupidity of government workers in our lives. No reason to believe it doesn't happen even at the higher levels.
Besides, staging this would require too many idiots keeping their mouths closed. This isn't the movies. People talk and documents are leaked..
Maddog said
Jul 16 4:32 PM, 2024
One of the most telling videos is that of the female Secret Service member trying to reholster her weapon. She fumbles and bumbles while another messes with her sunglasses.
These are "diversity" hires and definitely do not represent the best we have in this country.
One of the most telling videos is that of the female Secret Service member trying to reholster her weapon. She fumbles and bumbles while another messes with her sunglasses.
These are "diversity" hires and definitely do not represent the best we have in this country.
What are diversity hires?
Syl said
Jul 16 7:37 PM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
One of the most telling videos is that of the female Secret Service member trying to reholster her weapon. She fumbles and bumbles while another messes with her sunglasses.
These are "diversity" hires and definitely do not represent the best we have in this country.
She was a joke, and it looked like anyone could have lunged and grabbed that gun out of her hand had they the mind to.
One of the most telling videos is that of the female Secret Service member trying to reholster her weapon. She fumbles and bumbles while another messes with her sunglasses.
These are "diversity" hires and definitely do not represent the best we have in this country.
What are diversity hires?
DEI is a program here that stands for diversity, equity and inclusion.
It's basically hiring based on being a member of certain group, as opposed to merit.
The secret service has been trying to boost the number of female agents.
I watched a clip of Trump walking in the RNC last night.
He was flanked by about 6 large men that appeared to mean nothing but business.
Woman have a roll in the secret service, but probably not on the ground in the personal detail.
Oh no, no way would Trump do that. Who would set themselves up to be shot? No I wondered because the policemen did nothing when told about the shooter. Just me
😲 wow
The kid was spotted shimmying up to get on the roof. Then he had to slide along to get into position.
The authorities were told, reportedly by at least TWO different people that there was a man on the roof, apparently with a gun.
Why didn't the security get Trump off the stand before the kid had chance to fire?
They did do something.
They just moved slow and didn't engage..
This is a rural area of Pennsylvania. These cops aren't exactly the best trained in the business.
Again, government is typically incompetent, not diabolical..
That's a good question.
I don't know the timing, but if the cops were told there was a man on the roof, they shouldn't have waited until they sent a man up there. They could have moved Trump before the confirmation and then let him finish his speech if it turned out to be a false alarm..
Exactly Syl. Why wasn't he taken down before.he could fire? Now Trump injured, 2 critically and one poor man dead!!
He goes down and gets back up there with his rifle. Meanwhile, when he was on the ground, he was acting weird and the cops were looking for him.
He's back on the roof, and the citizens that see him are telling cops that are running around looking for the weird kid acting strange.
I guess it took them too long to figure out that the guy on the roof before the speech, the guy on the ground acting strange and the guy that citizens were telling them about was the same guy.
Trump should have been pulled off the stage well before those shots were fired..
There's a saying, if there's an assassination or attempted assassination, don't ask about the shooter, ask who paid for the bullet.
You know something else that's odd, this twenty year old had no social media whatsoever.
What twenty year old has no online account of some description?
Why was the kid not detained when he was first seen on the roof? Some bystander said they saw him and thought he was up there to get a better look at the president. Then they saw the gun, and alerted the cops...even then Trump was allowed to continue his performance.
He was seen on that roof 20 minutes before Trump started his performance, he was free to climb down, get his gun, and climb back up again.
Such incompetence has to arouse suspicion surely.
I said before, these weren't secret service personnel but the local cops. I think what was happening was the area outside of the event was filled mostly with folks drinking and having a good time on a sunny summer day. It was a party atmosphere and the cops just became way too complacent..
The cops were astute enough to sense the kid was acting odd and they shared a picture of him, but that's where it ended. I don't think any of them bothered to talk to him.
Also, we live in a society where people overreact to the smallest threat. Anyone who has been a neighborhood Facebook pages has seen a dozen people talking about a suspicious guy walking down the street, and how someone has called the cops on that person. It's magnified by about a factor of 10 in a small town.
I think there's a little bit if the "Boy Who Cried Wolf" going on here.
Well, as in the fable, the wolf was real..
But ultimately, the secret service is responsible and their anti sniper team should have seen that kid on the roof. It was the perfect spot to fire from and they should have been watching that area like a hawk..
Everything insider the event requires going through a metal detector. Won't be any threat coming from there..
Best video of the sheer incompetence..
Also, it appears the local police had a "command center" in the building..
What in the hell were they in command of?
The coffee machine??
The whole sequence of events seems sketchy AF to me.
(pass the tin foil)……Staged, imo.
These people aren't competent enough to stage anything.
All of us have seen the sheer stupidity of government workers in our lives. No reason to believe it doesn't happen even at the higher levels.
Besides, staging this would require too many idiots keeping their mouths closed. This isn't the movies. People talk and documents are leaked..
These are "diversity" hires and definitely do not represent the best we have in this country.
What are diversity hires?
She was a joke, and it looked like anyone could have lunged and grabbed that gun out of her hand had they the mind to.
DEI is a program here that stands for diversity, equity and inclusion.
It's basically hiring based on being a member of certain group, as opposed to merit.
The secret service has been trying to boost the number of female agents.
I watched a clip of Trump walking in the RNC last night.
He was flanked by about 6 large men that appeared to mean nothing but business.
Woman have a roll in the secret service, but probably not on the ground in the personal detail.