I am betting those figures are taken of women born IN England and Wales.
"More than half (50.1%) of women in England and Wales born in 1990 were without a child when they turned 30 in 2020, the first generation to do so, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS)"
"Women in England" means being somewhere at the time..
Not where you were born..
I'm sure you can find birthrate figures for only the native born.
Yet there are alternate studies that say the average Muslim woman living in the UK has three children in her lifetime, which seems like a very conservative estimate to me.
It put the 2005-10 fertility rate among UK Muslims at 3.0, which means that the average British Muslim had exactly three children in her lifetime.
I am betting those figures are taken of women born IN England and Wales.
"More than half (50.1%) of women in England and Wales born in 1990 were without a child when they turned 30 in 2020, the first generation to do so, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS)"
"Women in England" means being somewhere at the time..
Not where you were born..
I'm sure you can find birthrate figures for only the native born.
Yet there are alternate studies that say the average Muslim woman living in the UK has three children in her lifetime, which seems like a very conservative estimate to me.
It put the 2005-10 fertility rate among UK Muslims at 3.0, which means that the average British Muslim had exactly three children in her lifetime.
Assuming the next generations of Muslims stay true to their faith..
I've never stated Muslims aren't breeding faster than natives. Just that the reproduction rate for your country and most of the West is a ticking economic time bomb..
Syl said
Jul 27 11:15 AM, 2025
Things have to change, one way or another. I gave my views.
The FactCheck link I posted is quite interesting. I think they have underestimated the figures, (written in 2005/2010 estimating birth rates amongst Muslim women will drop by 2030) that's only 5 years from now. I don't believe that has happened, especially amongst Pakistani and Bangladeshi women of child bearing age.
Apart from that, it seems to be a none scaremongering, well written piece.
-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 27th of July 2025 11:22:29 AM
Maddog said
Jul 27 6:14 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Things have to change, one way or another. I gave my views.
The FactCheck link I posted is quite interesting. I think they have underestimated the figures, (written in 2005/2010 estimating birth rates amongst Muslim women will drop by 2030) that's only 5 years from now. I don't believe that has happened, especially amongst Pakistani and Bangladeshi women of child bearing age.
Apart from that, it seems to be a none scaremongering, well written piece.
-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 27th of July 2025 11:22:29 AM
They probably already have data that shows that each generation becomes like the natives in terms of having kids.
I'll bet the grandkids of Indians and Jamaicans are far more "British" in terms of reproducing than people in their former countries.
Even here, I cant think of a millennial Hispanic woman that I knoe with more than two kids.
It's why our birthrate is dropping even with all of our immigrants..
Syl said
Jul 27 10:44 PM, 2025
I will bet in 50 years time, the figures will be proven to be skewed...obviously neither of us will be around to say 'I told you so'.
One reason is many Muslim immigrants don't want to integrate and be influenced by the natives they are living amongst. In my district there are areas where they have their own communities, shops, business, mosque, many don't speak English, they don't need to.
Maddog said
Jul 27 10:53 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
I will bet in 50 years time, the figures will be proven to be skewed...obviously neither of us will be around to say 'I told you so'.
One reason is many Muslim immigrants don't want to integrate and be influenced by the natives they are living amongst. In my district there are areas where they have their own communities, shops, business, mosque, many don't speak English, they don't need to.
It's all a guess to some degree.
What's not a guess is that the West is getting increasingly top heavy in terms of age distribution, and it's a significant problem no matter who the deity of choice is for the citizens..
Syl said
Jul 27 11:12 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I will bet in 50 years time, the figures will be proven to be skewed...obviously neither of us will be around to say 'I told you so'.
One reason is many Muslim immigrants don't want to integrate and be influenced by the natives they are living amongst. In my district there are areas where they have their own communities, shops, business, mosque, many don't speak English, they don't need to.
It's all a guess to some degree.
What's not a guess is that the West is getting increasingly top heavy in terms of age distribution, and it's a significant problem no matter who the deity of choice is for the citizens..
Yes, I can see that.
What worked once, in the format it was designed to work, doesn't necessarily work decades later.
Yet there are alternate studies that say the average Muslim woman living in the UK has three children in her lifetime, which seems like a very conservative estimate to me.
It put the 2005-10 fertility rate among UK Muslims at 3.0, which means that the average British Muslim had exactly three children in her lifetime.
FactCheck: will Britain have a Muslim majority by 2050? – Channel 4 News
Based on current demographics that's likely true.
Assuming the next generations of Muslims stay true to their faith..
I've never stated Muslims aren't breeding faster than natives. Just that the reproduction rate for your country and most of the West is a ticking economic time bomb..
Things have to change, one way or another. I gave my views.
The FactCheck link I posted is quite interesting. I think they have underestimated the figures, (written in 2005/2010 estimating birth rates amongst Muslim women will drop by 2030) that's only 5 years from now. I don't believe that has happened, especially amongst Pakistani and Bangladeshi women of child bearing age.
Apart from that, it seems to be a none scaremongering, well written piece.
-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 27th of July 2025 11:22:29 AM
They probably already have data that shows that each generation becomes like the natives in terms of having kids.
I'll bet the grandkids of Indians and Jamaicans are far more "British" in terms of reproducing than people in their former countries.
Even here, I cant think of a millennial Hispanic woman that I knoe with more than two kids.
It's why our birthrate is dropping even with all of our immigrants..
One reason is many Muslim immigrants don't want to integrate and be influenced by the natives they are living amongst. In my district there are areas where they have their own communities, shops, business, mosque, many don't speak English, they don't need to.
It's all a guess to some degree.
What's not a guess is that the West is getting increasingly top heavy in terms of age distribution, and it's a significant problem no matter who the deity of choice is for the citizens..
Yes, I can see that.
What worked once, in the format it was designed to work, doesn't necessarily work decades later.
The world changes.