Barksdale wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

You raised daughters, just like me. Did you never notice how 2 girls could have a sleep over and be fine, while 3 created problems? 

And that's with girls who are friends.

I think my articles are more than just interesting, but they go deep into analyzing the interactions between females. 

I guess it's just psychobabble to many. Can't compete with their anecdotal evidence that is so clouded by their bias that they can't even see what they are doing, when they do it..

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 LOL - I observed that re: 3 or more girls in a group could get a bit crazy more times than I care to mention. But as you say I raised girls so I don't have a benchmark of raising boys that I can compare it to to know it is different.

Maybe women have behaviour traits evolutionarily hard baked into their biological sex. Maybe they have been socially conditioned to act in a certain way by a power structure that traditionally favoured men. Maybe men knew instinctively or consciously that keeping women divided amongst each other was a good way to ensure our dominant position wasn't challenged.

You mentioned bias and I think that is exactly right. It applies to the research as well and we need to know how well that has been controlled for, if at all. Sometimes you get what you go looking for a create self reinforcing stereotypes which are false negatives/positives due to poor study structure.

I think we need to be very cautious because social media is creating some toxic and unfavour narratives about women (and men too for that matter) which don't have a basis in the reality that I see when I go about my daily life. If you believe what you read online modern women will only date a 666 man (minimum 6 feet tall, minimum 6 figure salary, minimum 6 inc...errr....you can guess the rest.) However, from what I can see from my work and social setting that just isn't true. There's also the narrative that women are like dogs with a Pavlovian response so you have to treat them a certain way (usually some sort of manipulation) to keep them interested etc. 

It's mostly crap and as the father of 2 girls I am interested in contributing to a world which treats them fairly. Not asking for preferential treatment, just that they can be seen for their individual humanity, which has both good and bad elements to it. 

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 I bet you are a wonderful husband and father. ..you talk such sense.

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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More psychobabble.....😉

"There are endless examples of physically attractive girls being bullied by other girls, and parents regularly share such stories on social media. One North Shore Chicago mother of a girl who modeled professionally spoke of the frequency with which her daughter has been told that she is ugly and that she should kill herself. Swedish supermodel Paulina Porizkova reports that she was bullied mercilessly throughout her childhood. Model/actress Brittany Mason, a former “Miss Indiana,” thought about killing herself to escape her peers' gossip and bullying: At a homecoming rally at her high school, for example, a group created a poster with her picture on it and waved it around while chanting, “You are ugly.”"

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 Of course some females can be jealous of other women they see as more attractive, successful/whatever, but it's not the norm, certainly not in my experience.

Obviously, social media will highlight those stories of mean girls. The females (millions of them) who are not bullied, won't bother telling social media they are NOT bullied, will they?

Maddog, you have pretty daughters, an attractive girlfriend, an ex wife,  did they act like that to other women.

Considering you are surrounded by women, you seem to have a really bad opinion of us.

 

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 No they don't, but they all have had to deal with that bullshit more than I have. I had to console daughters more than once over the mean barbs from their female friends..

 

It's not like it's a universal trait, it's just more common in females, and studies prove that..

 

That's why you'll never see a movie titled "Mean Boys". The premise is silly..

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 Maybe the reason a film won't be made titled Mean Boys, is because most big film companies are owned by men.

 

If they were not, we would see plenty films made about mysogonistic incels.

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 Men who will make RomComs that appeal to women.

This has nothing to do with who owns film companies..

Men rule Hollywood....they always have. That'll be why you see aged men in films making love to beautiful young women, whilst ageing female film stars are out of work, or playing the mad granny. 

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Maddog wrote:

You raised daughters, just like me. Did you never notice how 2 girls could have a sleep over and be fine, while 3 created problems? 

And that's with girls who are friends.

I think my articles are more than just interesting, but they go deep into analyzing the interactions between females. 

I guess it's just psychobabble to many. Can't compete with their anecdotal evidence that is so clouded by their bias that they can't even see what they are doing, when they do it..

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 LOL - I observed that re: 3 or more girls in a group could get a bit crazy more times than I care to mention. But as you say I raised girls so I don't have a benchmark of raising boys that I can compare it to to know it is different.

Maybe women have behaviour traits evolutionarily hard baked into their biological sex. Maybe they have been socially conditioned to act in a certain way by a power structure that traditionally favoured men. Maybe men knew instinctively or consciously that keeping women divided amongst each other was a good way to ensure our dominant position wasn't challenged.

You mentioned bias and I think that is exactly right. It applies to the research as well and we need to know how well that has been controlled for, if at all. Sometimes you get what you go looking for a create self reinforcing stereotypes which are false negatives/positives due to poor study structure.

I think we need to be very cautious because social media is creating some toxic and unfavour narratives about women (and men too for that matter) which don't have a basis in the reality that I see when I go about my daily life. If you believe what you read online modern women will only date a 666 man (minimum 6 feet tall, minimum 6 figure salary, minimum 6 inc...errr....you can guess the rest.) However, from what I can see from my work and social setting that just isn't true. There's also the narrative that women are like dogs with a Pavlovian response so you have to treat them a certain way (usually some sort of manipulation) to keep them interested etc. 

It's mostly crap and as the father of 2 girls I am interested in contributing to a world which treats them fairly. Not asking for preferential treatment, just that they can be seen for their individual humanity, which has both good and bad elements to it. 

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 I think trying to figure out why the results are what they are is where bias comes into play.

Measuring the results of certain experiments should be fairly straightforward and free from bias.

Comparing different reactions between men and women is quantifiable. It's when you start saying why they react differently that bias can creep in..

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Men rule Hollywood....they always have. That'll be why you see aged men in films making love to beautiful young women, whilst ageing female film stars are out of work, or playing the mad granny. 

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 You see what you see because it sells to the public. 

Unless you're talking about French language indie films or some shit like that..

Mean Girls wasn't a hit because Hollywood wanted it to be..

It resonated   

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Maddog wrote:

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Barksdale wrote:

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Generally not, but they can be.

Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype. 

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 They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

 

Or maybe that's just me.

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 Back them from what? Other women? 

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 Frankly, that has been my experience. I agree with everything you have said.

Syl is a lovely lady who never gave me trouble on these forums but the experiments you listed were not psychobabble, they are very much true.

About a month ago I went to get a manicure and a bloke doing building outside was staring at my chest area as men do to women all the time. My bloke and I just laughed about his lack of subtlety.

When I went in the conversation the girls were having just stopped and the owner have me an icy look, it became apparent during the appointment she had seen the bloke leering.  For the first time since I had been going there  she was rude and didn't bother to converse. Then she eventually brought up the (non)event and said "some women have no dignity" disapproving of the halter neck top I was wearing. I just went very quiet, she has worn similar things herself and it was a ridiculously hot day. I didn't go back.

Digger recounted a story of something similar happening to her so before the guests start, I know this happens to many women.But Maddog is correct, SOME women (by no means all) do treat other women badly or with disdain if they feel that a woman had received too much male attention

 I don't necessarily believe the women on this forum do but in real life women can be actually very hostile regarding this sort of thing.

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 Thank you Fluffy.

Why would I give you trouble? You have always been very nice, and I treat people as I find them.

I honestly don't understand women who resent another woman because some leering twat was having a good look at the prettier womans figure....blaming you for a letchers actions is ridiculous.

I'm sure there are better manicurists around, give them your custom in future. 

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I don’t think it’s about women.  It’s about women and men.

Anyone who spouts equality whlist being a hypocrite at the same time is their own worst enemy.

You can’t talk about men calling people “mingers“ but call a fellow woman “roadkill” on the same forum.

You can’t run a porn site and then moan about men objectifying women.

Too many double standard.

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 Christ on a Bike,  is it "how many lies can you pack into a post day"?

I have never called a woman "roadkill" and never would. A guest said that to Shell who thought it was funny . She never cared what guests said.

I have never "run" a porn site.

I worked for one run by FHM real girls. I made a lot of money , paid off debts and stopped. It's similar to Only Fans today only you had to be approved to be on the mobile site.

Whether you think this is morally sound or not if you think just because I did solo porn alone when I was 29 I'm now not allowed an opinion about anything until the end of time ,including women NOT in porn being insulted needlessly ,you are very much mistaken.

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 Good for you for being honest. I had no idea about any of this.  Certainly dispels the “Saint Fluffy” image you put across.

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 I have never claimed to be a Saint!!

I think I am politically to the left and imo more left leaning folk are more fundamentally sensitive to other people's feelings.  Maybe that theory is balls(!) but there is no "persona known as Fluffy, "this is the real me.

It just doesn't improve my life to put others down online so I don't do but I'm well aware I'm far from a Saint! 

Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Men rule Hollywood....they always have. That'll be why you see aged men in films making love to beautiful young women, whilst ageing female film stars are out of work, or playing the mad granny. 

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 You see what you see because it sells to the public. 

 

Unless you're talking about French language indie films or some shit like that..

 

 

Mean Girls wasn't a hit because Hollywood wanted it to be..

 

It resonated   

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 Mean girls was a hit because some male producer picked young attractive women (plus the author) to star....it was a bit of froth aimed at the teenage market.

Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Men rule Hollywood....they always have. That'll be why you see aged men in films making love to beautiful young women, whilst ageing female film stars are out of work, or playing the mad granny. 

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 You see what you see because it sells to the public. 

 

Unless you're talking about French language indie films or some shit like that..

 

 

Mean Girls wasn't a hit because Hollywood wanted it to be..

 

It resonated   

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 Mean girls was a hit because some male producer picked young attractive women (plus the author) to star....it was a bit of froth aimed at the teenage market.

 

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 What gender do you think filled the theaters? 

I can assure, you I never watched it..

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Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Barksdale wrote:

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Generally not, but they can be.

Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype. 

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 They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

 

Or maybe that's just me.

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 Back them from what? Other women? 

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 Frankly, that has been my experience. I agree with everything you have said.

Syl is a lovely lady who never gave me trouble on these forums but the experiments you listed were not psychobabble, they are very much true.

About a month ago I went to get a manicure and a bloke doing building outside was staring at my chest area as men do to women all the time. My bloke and I just laughed about his lack of subtlety.

When I went in the conversation the girls were having just stopped and the owner have me an icy look, it became apparent during the appointment she had seen the bloke leering.  For the first time since I had been going there  she was rude and didn't bother to converse. Then she eventually brought up the (non)event and said "some women have no dignity" disapproving of the halter neck top I was wearing. I just went very quiet, she has worn similar things herself and it was a ridiculously hot day. I didn't go back.

Digger recounted a story of something similar happening to her so before the guests start, I know this happens to many women.But Maddog is correct, SOME women (by no means all) do treat other women badly or with disdain if they feel that a woman had received too much male attention

 I don't necessarily believe the women on this forum do but in real life women can be actually very hostile regarding this sort of thing.

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 Thank you Fluffy.

Why would I give you trouble? You have always been very nice, and I treat people as I find them.

I honestly don't understand women who resent another woman because some leering twat was having a good look at the prettier womans figure....blaming you for a letchers actions is ridiculous.

I'm sure there are better manicurists around, give them your custom in future. 

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 Thankyou for saying that x

I have yet to find one, but I will..I have resisted to the glue on type that fall off in the bath and in my soup and  well everywhere so I have to find someone

Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Men rule Hollywood....they always have. That'll be why you see aged men in films making love to beautiful young women, whilst ageing female film stars are out of work, or playing the mad granny. 

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 You see what you see because it sells to the public. 

 

Unless you're talking about French language indie films or some shit like that..

 

 

Mean Girls wasn't a hit because Hollywood wanted it to be..

 

It resonated   

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 Mean girls was a hit because some male producer picked young attractive women (plus the author) to star....it was a bit of froth aimed at the teenage market.

 

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 What gender do you think filled the theaters? 

 

I can assure, you I never watched it..

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 Neither did I, it was teenage froth aimed at teenage girls....and tbh, I have no idea why you brought it up in the first place....are you channelling Original Quill?

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Syl wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Barksdale wrote:

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Generally not, but they can be.

Women tend to be more empathetic than men, and not want to cause emotional suffering. However, sometimes you can kill with kindness and what is most beneficial is honest advice, not hype. 

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 They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

 

Or maybe that's just me.

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 Back them from what? Other women? 

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 Frankly, that has been my experience. I agree with everything you have said.

Syl is a lovely lady who never gave me trouble on these forums but the experiments you listed were not psychobabble, they are very much true.

About a month ago I went to get a manicure and a bloke doing building outside was staring at my chest area as men do to women all the time. My bloke and I just laughed about his lack of subtlety.

When I went in the conversation the girls were having just stopped and the owner have me an icy look, it became apparent during the appointment she had seen the bloke leering.  For the first time since I had been going there  she was rude and didn't bother to converse. Then she eventually brought up the (non)event and said "some women have no dignity" disapproving of the halter neck top I was wearing. I just went very quiet, she has worn similar things herself and it was a ridiculously hot day. I didn't go back.

Digger recounted a story of something similar happening to her so before the guests start, I know this happens to many women.But Maddog is correct, SOME women (by no means all) do treat other women badly or with disdain if they feel that a woman had received too much male attention

 I don't necessarily believe the women on this forum do but in real life women can be actually very hostile regarding this sort of thing.

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 Thank you Fluffy.

Why would I give you trouble? You have always been very nice, and I treat people as I find them.

I honestly don't understand women who resent another woman because some leering twat was having a good look at the prettier womans figure....blaming you for a letchers actions is ridiculous.

I'm sure there are better manicurists around, give them your custom in future. 

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 Thankyou for saying that x

I have yet to find one, but I will..I have resisted to the glue on type that fall off in the bath and in my soup and  well everywhere so I have to find someone

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 A bit off-topic, but I have never visited a manicurist in my life, I paint my own nails.

Try OPI, Princesses Rule. It brilliant, doesn't chip, and it's a pale varnish that is quite forgiving if you are not practiced at painting your own nails.

Maddog wrote:

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Fluffy wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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 They can be, and they can be jealous, nasty and vindictive against other women too...but in general, I really do think most women would back other women up to the hilt if need be.

 

Or maybe that's just me.

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 Back them from what? Other women? 

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 Frankly, that has been my experience. I agree with everything you have said.

Syl is a lovely lady who never gave me trouble on these forums but the experiments you listed were not psychobabble, they are very much true.

About a month ago I went to get a manicure and a bloke doing building outside was staring at my chest area as men do to women all the time. My bloke and I just laughed about his lack of subtlety.

When I went in the conversation the girls were having just stopped and the owner have me an icy look, it became apparent during the appointment she had seen the bloke leering.  For the first time since I had been going there  she was rude and didn't bother to converse. Then she eventually brought up the (non)event and said "some women have no dignity" disapproving of the halter neck top I was wearing. I just went very quiet, she has worn similar things herself and it was a ridiculously hot day. I didn't go back.

Digger recounted a story of something similar happening to her so before the guests start, I know this happens to many women.But Maddog is correct, SOME women (by no means all) do treat other women badly or with disdain if they feel that a woman had received too much male attention

 I don't necessarily believe the women on this forum do but in real life women can be actually very hostile regarding this sort of thing.

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 It's not just me. 

 

Because my job is data driven, I seek that out. 

 

I like to cite sources and not just rely on my anecdotal evidence, because that is clouded in life experience and biases   

 

When I write a report, I can't say "I feel or I think". I have to say "based on research and reconciliation of the data, the following is considered to be reasonable"..

 

That can be boring in this format.....

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 ..no not at all..!    I'm joking, I don't find you boring, never have.  Your evidence was spot on, I've read the one experiment before.

 Syl and yourself almost never disagree  on anything ,it's amazing! 

We do disagree, Fluffy. In fact, I think I disagree with Maddog more than I disagree with my own  husband. 

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 A bit off-topic, but I have never visited a manicurist in my life, I paint my own nails.

Try OPI, Princesses Rule. It brilliant, doesn't chip, and it's a pale varnish that is quite forgiving if you are not practiced at painting your own nails.

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 Given the topic of this thread, are you sure that’s a nail varnish shade and not the findings of ‘data-driven research’, or your subconscious projecting your inner Mean Girl? 😜

Gotta love a good Freudian slip! 😂 

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 Thankyou for saying that x

I have yet to find one, but I will..I have resisted to the glue on type that fall off in the bath and in my soup and  well everywhere so I have to find someone

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 A bit off-topic, but I have never visited a manicurist in my life, I paint my own nails.

Try OPI, Princesses Rule. It brilliant, doesn't chip, and it's a pale varnish that is quite forgiving if you are not practiced at painting your own nails.

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 I just love Glitterbel chrome powders.  This one is applied over OPI blue nail polish

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We do disagree, Fluffy. In fact, I think I disagree with Maddog more than I disagree with my own  husband. 

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 I was being ironic but it doesn't come across! 

I know OPI and have thought it was brilliant when I used it before. I shall take a look at that shade. Thankyou

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Syl wrote:

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 A bit off-topic, but I have never visited a manicurist in my life, I paint my own nails.

Try OPI, Princesses Rule. It brilliant, doesn't chip, and it's a pale varnish that is quite forgiving if you are not practiced at painting your own nails.

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 Given the topic of this thread, are you sure that’s a nail varnish shade and not the findings of ‘data-driven research’, or your subconscious projecting your inner Mean Girl? 😜

Gotta love a good Freudian slip! 😂 

-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 08:38:25 PM

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 Vam!!  You are truly entertaining but a tad mischievous. Just in a subtle way !

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Syl wrote:

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 Thankyou for saying that x

I have yet to find one, but I will..I have resisted to the glue on type that fall off in the bath and in my soup and  well everywhere so I have to find someone

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 A bit off-topic, but I have never visited a manicurist in my life, I paint my own nails.

Try OPI, Princesses Rule. It brilliant, doesn't chip, and it's a pale varnish that is quite forgiving if you are not practiced at painting your own nails.

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 I just love Glitterbel chrome powders.  This one is applied over OPI blue nail polish

 

 

 

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 That looks amazing. I usually go for pinks and purples but I love the metallic sheen to that