“As you can probably tell, I’ve been crying a little bit,” she posted in December 2022.
“They think women should be fragile and petite and quiet and meek, but that’s not the case,” she said. “Women can be strong, and they can have broad shoulders, and they can take up space, and they can be big. I think I’m getting emotional because I feel very passionate about this. Don’t let anybody try to define or dictate how you feel about yourself. You get to decide that.”
She has an excellent message for women. Too bad she's often attacked by the people that should take her message to heart.
Syl said
Jul 20 6:49 PM, 2025
I wasn't body shaming her, I commented she looked masculine, and possibly has taken steroids (somewhere along the line) to look as masculine as she does.
Obviously she is happy in her own skin, not everyone wants to look like Barbie.
Syl said
Jul 20 7:10 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
That's a very fit, 200 pound woman..
Whatever turns you on, but that looks better suited to the trans women thread.
Sorry, Dawg - but Anon ain’t wrong about that.
It's not about what turns me on. I like my women a bit smaller. It's about health and fitness.
This is probably one of the biggest problems with women. They focus on looks, not health..
Maybe that's your experience formed from the women you know.
Most of the women I have known throughout my life, have focused on both.
Maddog said
Jul 20 7:53 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
That's a very fit, 200 pound woman..
Whatever turns you on, but that looks better suited to the trans women thread.
Sorry, Dawg - but Anon ain’t wrong about that.
It's not about what turns me on. I like my women a bit smaller. It's about health and fitness.
This is probably one of the biggest problems with women. They focus on looks, not health..
Maybe that's your experience formed from the women you know.
Most of the women I have known throughout my life, have focused on both.
It was my experience with the picture of Ilana.
Every comment went to looks, not her performance as an Olympian..
But it's also my experience, especially with older women. They were raised in a time with different standards that heavily focused on a look, not athletic ability. Heck, most of them never played a.sport in their lives at any serious level..
Digger said
Jul 20 8:38 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
That's a very fit, 200 pound woman..
Whatever turns you on, but that looks better suited to the trans women thread.
Sorry, Dawg - but Anon ain’t wrong about that.
It's not about what turns me on. I like my women a bit smaller. It's about health and fitness.
This is probably one of the biggest problems with women. They focus on looks, not health..
Maybe that's your experience formed from the women you know.
Most of the women I have known throughout my life, have focused on both.
It was my experience with the picture of Ilana.
Every comment went to looks, not her performance as an Olympian..
But it's also my experience, especially with older women. They were raised in a time with different standards that heavily focused on a look, not athletic ability. Heck, most of them never played a.sport in their lives at any serious level..
why the focus on sport? Other things keep you fit
Maddog said
Jul 20 8:44 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
That's a very fit, 200 pound woman..
Whatever turns you on, but that looks better suited to the trans women thread.
Sorry, Dawg - but Anon ain’t wrong about that.
It's not about what turns me on. I like my women a bit smaller. It's about health and fitness.
This is probably one of the biggest problems with women. They focus on looks, not health..
Maybe that's your experience formed from the women you know.
Most of the women I have known throughout my life, have focused on both.
It was my experience with the picture of Ilana.
Every comment went to looks, not her performance as an Olympian..
But it's also my experience, especially with older women. They were raised in a time with different standards that heavily focused on a look, not athletic ability. Heck, most of them never played a.sport in their lives at any serious level..
why the focus on sport? Other things keep you fit
That's true.
But if you're very good at a sport you're likely very fit because it requires commitment to training.
Unless we are calling darts a sport .😉
The only reason I brought up Ilana was to provide an example of why weight can be misleading in terms of health and fitness..
Strong people are generally heavier than weak people..
“As you can probably tell, I’ve been crying a little bit,” she posted in December 2022.
“They think women should be fragile and petite and quiet and meek, but that’s not the case,” she said. “Women can be strong, and they can have broad shoulders, and they can take up space, and they can be big. I think I’m getting emotional because I feel very passionate about this. Don’t let anybody try to define or dictate how you feel about yourself. You get to decide that.”
She has an excellent message for women. Too bad she's often attacked by the people that should take her message to heart.
I didn't say a word about any of the ladies looks in the videos or pictures because it's unnecessary. I do feel you might find more muscular ladies attractive which is fine, everyone has their own personal tastes about what is attractive. Most men prefer women to be slim and not have muscles but you're right, that shouldn't prevent women who want to have a more muscular frame from pursuing one.
I like men who are toned but not overly muscular and I love irish accents. Matthew McConaughey has a hot accent too, he was perfect in "Magic Mike". Yes I know it's a very tacky film and sorry to go off topic but Chaning Tatum had the sex appeal of a limp carrot in comparison to Matthew, never understood the appeal.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Sunday 20th of July 2025 10:21:01 PM
Fluffy said
Jul 20 10:19 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
“I’m 5 (feet) 10 (inches) and 200 pounds. And I have about — and this is an estimate — but about 170 pounds of lean mass on me,” she said. “That BMI doesn’t really tell you what I can do … how fit I am. It’s just a couple of numbers put together, doesn’t tell you how much muscle I have or anything like that.”
You shouldn’t want to look like an Olympian, experts say
BMI measurements can overestimate body fat in athletes and people with a muscular build or a larger body frame. Conversely, BMI can underestimate body fat in older adults and anyone who has lost muscle, according to the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston.
Ilona Maher is a good example of why weight or weight used to calculate BMI isn't always a good idea.
She's borderline obese by some charts yet is an Olympic athlete in better shape than anyone reading this.
In that interview she expressed how she has been "crying a little bit" because of the mean comments by trolls. She is hurting no one and pursuing her dream.
The body shaming by the media towards women never ends when most famous men are allowed to be fat and unattractive in their chosen career (not fat in sports obvs). But if a female actress or singer dares to be anything less than perfect then the social media sharks go for the jugular.
That's why famous women all look like clones or are a slave to botox. I don't think the lady would honestly be confused with a man on the cover of Sports Illustrated the boobs vanishing is my only critique.
I know they are attendant fat but why does body building ensure their demise?
Anonymous said
Jul 20 10:35 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Strong people are generally heavier than weak people..
There's a kind of strength that has nothing to do with how much muscle you have or how much you can lift or how much your body weighs.
Syl said
Jul 20 11:26 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
That's a very fit, 200 pound woman..
Whatever turns you on, but that looks better suited to the trans women thread.
Sorry, Dawg - but Anon ain’t wrong about that.
It's not about what turns me on. I like my women a bit smaller. It's about health and fitness.
This is probably one of the biggest problems with women. They focus on looks, not health..
Maybe that's your experience formed from the women you know.
Most of the women I have known throughout my life, have focused on both.
It was my experience with the picture of Ilana.
Every comment went to looks, not her performance as an Olympian..
But it's also my experience, especially with older women. They were raised in a time with different standards that heavily focused on a look, not athletic ability. Heck, most of them never played a.sport in their lives at any serious level..
I am an 'older woman', I played tennis, cycled and Kayaked till 5 years ago. You are right that the majority didn't play sport at a serious level, that doesn’t mean that they were not fit, and there was certainly less obesity about.
The focus on looks was miniscule compared to what it is today. So either the women in the US are very different to the women here, or your view of women in general is somewhat distorted.
Maddog said
Jul 21 12:54 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
“As you can probably tell, I’ve been crying a little bit,” she posted in December 2022.
“They think women should be fragile and petite and quiet and meek, but that’s not the case,” she said. “Women can be strong, and they can have broad shoulders, and they can take up space, and they can be big. I think I’m getting emotional because I feel very passionate about this. Don’t let anybody try to define or dictate how you feel about yourself. You get to decide that.”
She has an excellent message for women. Too bad she's often attacked by the people that should take her message to heart.
I didn't say a word about any of the ladies looks in the videos or pictures because it's unnecessary. I do feel you might find more muscular ladies attractive which is fine, everyone has their own personal tastes about what is attractive. Most men prefer women to be slim and not have muscles but you're right, that shouldn't prevent women who want to have a more muscular frame from pursuing one.
I like men who are toned but not overly muscular and I love irish accents. Matthew McConaughey has a hot accent too, he was perfect in "Magic Mike". Yes I know it's a very tacky film and sorry to go off topic but Chaning Tatum had the sex appeal of a limp carrot in comparison to Matthew, never understood the appeal.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Sunday 20th of July 2025 10:21:01 PM
It's not what I find attractive that is a barometer of health.
Appearance isn't the goal. Health is..
Women should build muscle and strength (men too). How that "looks" is irrelevant..
Maddog said
Jul 21 12:56 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
That's a very fit, 200 pound woman..
Whatever turns you on, but that looks better suited to the trans women thread.
Sorry, Dawg - but Anon ain’t wrong about that.
It's not about what turns me on. I like my women a bit smaller. It's about health and fitness.
This is probably one of the biggest problems with women. They focus on looks, not health..
Maybe that's your experience formed from the women you know.
Most of the women I have known throughout my life, have focused on both.
It was my experience with the picture of Ilana.
Every comment went to looks, not her performance as an Olympian..
But it's also my experience, especially with older women. They were raised in a time with different standards that heavily focused on a look, not athletic ability. Heck, most of them never played a.sport in their lives at any serious level..
I am an 'older woman', I played tennis, cycled and Kayaked till 5 years ago. You are right that the majority didn't play sport at a serious level, that doesn’t mean that they were not fit, and there was certainly less obesity about.
The focus on looks was miniscule compared to what it is today. So either the women in the US are very different to the women here, or your view of women in general is somewhat distorted.
And yet every conversation seems to swing back to a look, instead of measuring performance..🤷
Maddog said
Jul 21 1:02 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
“I’m 5 (feet) 10 (inches) and 200 pounds. And I have about — and this is an estimate — but about 170 pounds of lean mass on me,” she said. “That BMI doesn’t really tell you what I can do … how fit I am. It’s just a couple of numbers put together, doesn’t tell you how much muscle I have or anything like that.”
You shouldn’t want to look like an Olympian, experts say
BMI measurements can overestimate body fat in athletes and people with a muscular build or a larger body frame. Conversely, BMI can underestimate body fat in older adults and anyone who has lost muscle, according to the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston.
Ilona Maher is a good example of why weight or weight used to calculate BMI isn't always a good idea.
She's borderline obese by some charts yet is an Olympic athlete in better shape than anyone reading this.
In that interview she expressed how she has been "crying a little bit" because of the mean comments by trolls. She is hurting no one and pursuing her dream.
The body shaming by the media towards women never ends when most famous men are allowed to be fat and unattractive in their chosen career (not fat in sports obvs). But if a female actress or singer dares to be anything less than perfect then the social media sharks go for the jugular.
That's why famous women all look like clones or are a slave to botox. I don't think the lady would honestly be confused with a man on the cover of Sports Illustrated the boobs vanishing is my only critique.
I know they are attendant fat but why does body building ensure their demise?
Actual body builders "cut" before a competition. They lower their calories and go into an unhealthy starvation mode. They can't keep that up for long because this process will make them lose muscle too. But the lack of calories will burn almost all the fat off their body, including boobies.
I don't consider body building to be be very healthy. It's all about show. Half those people are on the verge of passing out at their shows from the lack of food leading up to them..
Yeah, thanks for that …..See now, the condescending preaching of precocious (and probably highly neurotic) preening princesses like her, pisses me off and is guaranteed to have the opposite effect of whatever advice she spouts to monetise her social media Likes & Clicks.
How TF does she presume to know none of us will ever sign up for a marathon?! 😂
And that sarcastic ‘Because you’re worth it’ was the deal breaker. I don’t have a sweet tooth. But if I fancy a scoop of pistacchio ice cream after a busy/stressful day, you better be damn sure I’m worth it!
Anonymous said
Jul 21 8:56 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
That's a very fit, 200 pound woman..
Whatever turns you on, but that looks better suited to the trans women thread.
Sorry, Dawg - but Anon ain’t wrong about that.
It's not about what turns me on. I like my women a bit smaller. It's about health and fitness.
This is probably one of the biggest problems with women. They focus on looks, not health..
Maybe that's your experience formed from the women you know.
Most of the women I have known throughout my life, have focused on both.
It was my experience with the picture of Ilana.
Every comment went to looks, not her performance as an Olympian..
But it's also my experience, especially with older women. They were raised in a time with different standards that heavily focused on a look, not athletic ability. Heck, most of them never played a.sport in their lives at any serious level..
I am an 'older woman', I played tennis, cycled and Kayaked till 5 years ago. You are right that the majority didn't play sport at a serious level, that doesn’t mean that they were not fit, and there was certainly less obesity about.
The focus on looks was miniscule compared to what it is today. So either the women in the US are very different to the women here, or your view of women in general is somewhat distorted.
And yet every conversation seems to swing back to a look, instead of measuring performance..🤷
And yet you're the one who put up a random picture of a big woman to show everyone what she looks like, now you're criticising them for talking about what she looks like. Strange game you're playing here.
Yeah, thanks for that …..See now, the condescending preaching of precocious (and probably highly neurotic) preening princesses like her, pisses me off and is guaranteed to have the opposite effect of whatever advice she spouts to monetise her social media Likes & Clicks.
How TF does she presume to know none of us will ever sign up for a marathon?! 😂
And that sarcastic ‘Because you’re worth it’ was the deal breaker. I don’t have a sweet tooth. But if I fancy a scoop of pistacchio ice cream after a busy/stressful day, you better be damn sure I’m worth it!
You‘re clearly jealous, if not bitter.
And who gives a shit if you have a scoop of ice cream?
Fluffy said
Jul 21 12:31 PM, 2025
Maddog, the reason posters respond to a picture of a woman with muscles by talking about her appearance not her health is just because that's what springs to mind first! You then seem to promote weight lifting for all women for health reasons but most women don't want to achieve that sort of look.
I don't agree with the more harsh insults against the Olympian and think she has every right to look how she wants. But I do think you find this look attractive (no judgement) because you said she was a "bit too big" for you.If I have that wrong I apologise but I assume so because you often post video's of women with muscles, albeit far less muscley than the Olympian. Some men find this look attractive, she wouldn't be on the cover of Sports Illustrated if not but the majority of men (and women ) prefer women without muscles.
This is a running theme. Before joining I recall you telling Syl she should do more weight training for health reasons. The majority of ladies just don't like that look so they keep weights to a minimum , there are many other ways to maintain or improve health without the use of weights. But when that is said to you, you seem to dismiss it.
I don't really know where the conflict lies. The lady is in terrific shape and clearly doing very well in life but weight training is not the only way women can choose to stay healthy
-- Edited by Fluffy on Monday 21st of July 2025 12:31:57 PM
-- Edited by Fluffy on Monday 21st of July 2025 12:47:46 PM
Yeah, thanks for that …..See now, the condescending preaching of precocious (and probably highly neurotic) preening princesses like her, pisses me off and is guaranteed to have the opposite effect of whatever advice she spouts to monetise her social media Likes & Clicks.
How TF does she presume to know none of us will ever sign up for a marathon?! 😂
And that sarcastic ‘Because you’re worth it’ was the deal breaker. I don’t have a sweet tooth. But if I fancy a scoop of pistacchio ice cream after a busy/stressful day, you better be damn sure I’m worth it!
I didn't like her tone either, she was talking down to women and assuming they make excuses not to stay in shape when she doesn't know that. You used the right word, she was far too condescending and that will just put people off.
“They think women should be fragile and petite and quiet and meek, but that’s not the case,” she said. “Women can be strong, and they can have broad shoulders, and they can take up space, and they can be big. I think I’m getting emotional because I feel very passionate about this. Don’t let anybody try to define or dictate how you feel about yourself. You get to decide that.”
She has an excellent message for women. Too bad she's often attacked by the people that should take her message to heart.
Obviously she is happy in her own skin, not everyone wants to look like Barbie.
Maybe that's your experience formed from the women you know.
Most of the women I have known throughout my life, have focused on both.
It was my experience with the picture of Ilana.
Every comment went to looks, not her performance as an Olympian..
But it's also my experience, especially with older women. They were raised in a time with different standards that heavily focused on a look, not athletic ability. Heck, most of them never played a.sport in their lives at any serious level..
why the focus on sport? Other things keep you fit
That's true.
But if you're very good at a sport you're likely very fit because it requires commitment to training.
Unless we are calling darts a sport .😉
The only reason I brought up Ilana was to provide an example of why weight can be misleading in terms of health and fitness..
Strong people are generally heavier than weak people..
Since this likely got buried between other posts.
👍
I didn't say a word about any of the ladies looks in the videos or pictures because it's unnecessary. I do feel you might find more muscular ladies attractive which is fine, everyone has their own personal tastes about what is attractive. Most men prefer women to be slim and not have muscles but you're right, that shouldn't prevent women who want to have a more muscular frame from pursuing one.
I like men who are toned but not overly muscular and I love irish accents. Matthew McConaughey has a hot accent too, he was perfect in "Magic Mike". Yes I know it's a very tacky film and sorry to go off topic but Chaning Tatum had the sex appeal of a limp carrot in comparison to Matthew, never understood the appeal.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Sunday 20th of July 2025 10:21:01 PM
In that interview she expressed how she has been "crying a little bit" because of the mean comments by trolls.
She is hurting no one and pursuing her dream.
The body shaming by the media towards women never ends when most famous men are allowed to be fat and unattractive in their chosen career (not fat in sports obvs). But if a female actress or singer dares to be anything less than perfect then the social media sharks go for the jugular.
That's why famous women all look like clones or are a slave to botox. I don't think the lady would honestly be confused with a man on the cover of Sports Illustrated the boobs vanishing is my only critique.
I know they are attendant fat but why does body building ensure their demise?
There's a kind of strength that has nothing to do with how much muscle you have or how much you can lift or how much your body weighs.
I am an 'older woman', I played tennis, cycled and Kayaked till 5 years ago. You are right that the majority didn't play sport at a serious level, that doesn’t mean that they were not fit, and there was certainly less obesity about.
The focus on looks was miniscule compared to what it is today. So either the women in the US are very different to the women here, or your view of women in general is somewhat distorted.
It's not what I find attractive that is a barometer of health.
Appearance isn't the goal. Health is..
Women should build muscle and strength (men too). How that "looks" is irrelevant..
And yet every conversation seems to swing back to a look, instead of measuring performance..🤷
Actual body builders "cut" before a competition. They lower their calories and go into an unhealthy starvation mode. They can't keep that up for long because this process will make them lose muscle too. But the lack of calories will burn almost all the fat off their body, including boobies.
I don't consider body building to be be very healthy. It's all about show. Half those people are on the verge of passing out at their shows from the lack of food leading up to them..
How TF does she presume to know none of us will ever sign up for a marathon?! 😂
And that sarcastic ‘Because you’re worth it’ was the deal breaker. I don’t have a sweet tooth. But if I fancy a scoop of pistacchio ice cream after a busy/stressful day, you better be damn sure I’m worth it!
And yet you're the one who put up a random picture of a big woman to show everyone what she looks like, now you're criticising them for talking about what she looks like. Strange game you're playing here.
You‘re clearly jealous, if not bitter.
And who gives a shit if you have a scoop of ice cream?
Maddog, the reason posters respond to a picture of a woman with muscles by talking about her appearance not her health is just because that's what springs to mind first! You then seem to promote weight lifting for all women for health reasons but most women don't want to achieve that sort of look.
I don't agree with the more harsh insults against the Olympian and think she has every right to look how she wants. But I do think you find this look attractive (no judgement) because you said she was a "bit too big" for you.If I have that wrong I apologise but I assume so because you often post video's of women with muscles, albeit far less muscley than the Olympian. Some men find this look attractive, she wouldn't be on the cover of Sports Illustrated if not but the majority of men (and women ) prefer women without muscles.
This is a running theme. Before joining I recall you telling Syl she should do more weight training for health reasons. The majority of ladies just don't like that look so they keep weights to a minimum , there are many other ways to maintain or improve health without the use of weights. But when that is said to you, you seem to dismiss it.
I don't really know where the conflict lies.
The lady is in terrific shape and clearly doing very well in life but weight training is not the only way women can choose to stay healthy 
-- Edited by Fluffy on Monday 21st of July 2025 12:31:57 PM
-- Edited by Fluffy on Monday 21st of July 2025 12:47:46 PM
I didn't like her tone either, she was talking down to women and assuming they make excuses not to stay in shape when she doesn't know that. You used the right word, she was far too condescending and that will just put people off.