Whatever turns you on, but that looks better suited to the trans women thread.
Sorry, Dawg - but Anon ain’t wrong about that.
It's not about what turns me on. I like my women a bit smaller. It's about health and fitness.
This is probably one of the biggest problems with women. They focus on looks, not health..
Maybe that's your experience formed from the women you know.
Most of the women I have known throughout my life, have focused on both.
It was my experience with the picture of Ilana.
Every comment went to looks, not her performance as an Olympian..
But it's also my experience, especially with older women. They were raised in a time with different standards that heavily focused on a look, not athletic ability. Heck, most of them never played a.sport in their lives at any serious level..
I am an 'older woman', I played tennis, cycled and Kayaked till 5 years ago. You are right that the majority didn't play sport at a serious level, that doesn’t mean that they were not fit, and there was certainly less obesity about.
The focus on looks was miniscule compared to what it is today. So either the women in the US are very different to the women here, or your view of women in general is somewhat distorted.
I've always hated sport. But as a dancer I was slim, but fit as a fiddle. I never did weights, or any other exercise apart from dancing. But I could dance full throttle for 50 minutes at a time when I had to, and it was often required when I worked with musicians. I had muscle isolation techniques that made me strong, fit and coordinated. And as it was nearly all percussive movements it kept my bones strong. Every time I danced the sweat would pour off me, I ruined so many diamante costumes because of this, and other dancers did the same. Sure, I'm now paying the price as my knees are bad but many who do sports suffer from this too. It's one of the prices of high end exercise. The only sporty thing I've ever done is swimming. I do some wall pilates these days. And I walk.
Syl said
Jul 21 1:24 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
That's a very fit, 200 pound woman..
Whatever turns you on, but that looks better suited to the trans women thread.
Sorry, Dawg - but Anon ain’t wrong about that.
It's not about what turns me on. I like my women a bit smaller. It's about health and fitness.
This is probably one of the biggest problems with women. They focus on looks, not health..
Maybe that's your experience formed from the women you know.
Most of the women I have known throughout my life, have focused on both.
It was my experience with the picture of Ilana.
Every comment went to looks, not her performance as an Olympian..
But it's also my experience, especially with older women. They were raised in a time with different standards that heavily focused on a look, not athletic ability. Heck, most of them never played a.sport in their lives at any serious level..
I am an 'older woman', I played tennis, cycled and Kayaked till 5 years ago. You are right that the majority didn't play sport at a serious level, that doesn’t mean that they were not fit, and there was certainly less obesity about.
The focus on looks was miniscule compared to what it is today. So either the women in the US are very different to the women here, or your view of women in general is somewhat distorted.
I've always hated sport. But as a dancer I was slim, but fit as a fiddle. I never did weights, or any other exercise apart from dancing. But I could dance full throttle for 50 minutes at a time when I had to, and it was often required when I worked with musicians. I had muscle isolation techniques that made me strong, fit and coordinated. And as it was nearly all percussive movements it kept my bones strong. Every time I danced the sweat would pour off me, I ruined so many diamante costumes because of this, and other dancers did the same. Sure, I'm now paying the price as my knees are bad but many who do sports suffer from this too. It's one of the prices of high end exercise. The only sporty thing I've ever done is swimming. I do some wall pilates these days. And I walk.
Women dont have to look like a female version of the incredible hulk to be fit.
I do weights (8Ib in each hand, that Maddog sneered at) I do 50 sit ups every morning, at the minute I am doing my recovery excercises three or four times a day....and I walk too.
My friends of around the same age all take their fitness seriously too.
Yeah, thanks for that …..See now, the condescending preaching of precocious (and probably highly neurotic) preening princesses like her, pisses me off and is guaranteed to have the opposite effect of whatever advice she spouts to monetise her social media Likes & Clicks.
How TF does she presume to know none of us will ever sign up for a marathon?! 😂
And that sarcastic ‘Because you’re worth it’ was the deal breaker. I don’t have a sweet tooth. But if I fancy a scoop of pistacchio ice cream after a busy/stressful day, you better be damn sure I’m worth it!
I didn't like her tone either, she was talking down to women and assuming they make excuses not to stay in shape when she doesn't know that. You used the right word, she was far too condescending and that will just put people off.
🎯
It‘s fine to want to do social media clips that offer helpful advice and healthy lifestyle hacks. But the secret on social media has to be hooking people in within the first 30 seconds, so that they sit up and pay attention.
It‘s all about ‘delivery’. And most of that daft bint’s delivery sucked worse than an Amazon driver having a bad day.
Yeah, thanks for that …..See now, the condescending preaching of precocious (and probably highly neurotic) preening princesses like her, pisses me off and is guaranteed to have the opposite effect of whatever advice she spouts to monetise her social media Likes & Clicks.
How TF does she presume to know none of us will ever sign up for a marathon?! 😂
And that sarcastic ‘Because you’re worth it’ was the deal breaker. I don’t have a sweet tooth. But if I fancy a scoop of pistacchio ice cream after a busy/stressful day, you better be damn sure I’m worth it!
I didn't like her tone either, she was talking down to women and assuming they make excuses not to stay in shape when she doesn't know that. You used the right word, she was far too condescending and that will just put people off.
🎯
It‘s fine to want to do social media clips that offer helpful advice and healthy lifestyle hacks. But the secret on social media has to be hooking people in within the first 30 seconds, so that they sit up and pay attention.
It‘s all about ‘delivery’. And most of that daft bint’s delivery sucked worse than an Amazon driver having a bad day.
My mother in law is 87 and going strong. Never exercised in her life.
Red Okktober said
Jul 21 3:35 PM, 2025
Speaking purely from my own POV and what I find attractive, rather than an individuals level of fitness, I find Ilona to be far too butch looking. I prefer women to be soft and feminine and not have biceps or 6 packs, and I can see where the trans comments are coming from.
I've never been attracted to sporty types apart from equestrian, although I once had a few dates with a pole vaulter who represented GB - she was as tall as me me (6ft) and a bit on the skinny side, but she had a pretty face and was a good dancer.
I've been watching the women's Euros purely for the football, but it's impossible not to do a bit of ogling on the side. Physically wise, they all have the same body types - flat chested, but great arses. But what strikes me as being unusual is that there are hardly any good looking ones, and most have a kind of chavvy loook about them. Maybe they were tom boyish when younger and would rather have a kick about than do girly things.
Fluffy said
Jul 21 4:35 PM, 2025
Many male footballers are gorgeous! I don't know some of their names on foreign teams but they have dark hair and are just mesmerising. David Beckham is considered sexy and I do like his physique and tattoos But the allure is ruined when he starts to talk!.No denying he certainly looks very very hot for his age!
David Ginola ,a Tottenham player was my first love. I was 18 and he was a very poetic player ( he did fancy footwork )with long hair and a gorgeous accent.
My dad loved his sports especially football but didn't like his friend drooling over the younger tennis players at Wimbledon. He just thought after fifty it was a bit unseemly and called him a dirty old man He liked Andie McDowell the actress , he just couldn't be doing with men perving over girls that could be their daughters age. He was old fashioned in his way. He was a Tottenham supporter too and wanted to see them play again but his health caught up with him.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Monday 21st of July 2025 06:23:26 PM
Digger said
Jul 21 5:08 PM, 2025
Red Okktober wrote:
Speaking purely from my own POV and what I find attractive, rather than an individuals level of fitness, I find Ilona to be far too butch looking. I prefer women to be soft and feminine and not have biceps or 6 packs, and I can see where the trans comments are coming from.
I've never been attracted to sporty types apart from equestrian, although I once had a few dates with a pole vaulter who represented GB - she was as tall as me me (6ft) and a bit on the skinny side, but she had a pretty face and was a good dancer.
I've been watching the women's Euros purely for the football, but it's impossible not to do a bit of ogling on the side. Physically wise, they all have the same body types - flat chested, but great arses. But what strikes me as being unusual is that there are hardly any good looking ones, and most have a kind of chavvy loook about them. Maybe they were tom boyish when younger and would rather have a kick about than do girly things.
You don't see many young women today with this shape
If we are talking handsome...this one is right up my street.
Matteo Berrittini, Italian tennis player.
Red Okktober said
Jul 21 6:16 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
You don't see many young women today with this shape
Definitely not on the football field!
I can undertsand why women footballers have the same body shape, due to the type of training they have to do, but I can't work it out why they are nearly all mingers as well.
Maddog said
Jul 21 6:26 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
That's a very fit, 200 pound woman..
Whatever turns you on, but that looks better suited to the trans women thread.
Sorry, Dawg - but Anon ain’t wrong about that.
It's not about what turns me on. I like my women a bit smaller. It's about health and fitness.
This is probably one of the biggest problems with women. They focus on looks, not health..
Maybe that's your experience formed from the women you know.
Most of the women I have known throughout my life, have focused on both.
It was my experience with the picture of Ilana.
Every comment went to looks, not her performance as an Olympian..
But it's also my experience, especially with older women. They were raised in a time with different standards that heavily focused on a look, not athletic ability. Heck, most of them never played a.sport in their lives at any serious level..
I am an 'older woman', I played tennis, cycled and Kayaked till 5 years ago. You are right that the majority didn't play sport at a serious level, that doesn’t mean that they were not fit, and there was certainly less obesity about.
The focus on looks was miniscule compared to what it is today. So either the women in the US are very different to the women here, or your view of women in general is somewhat distorted.
I've always hated sport. But as a dancer I was slim, but fit as a fiddle. I never did weights, or any other exercise apart from dancing. But I could dance full throttle for 50 minutes at a time when I had to, and it was often required when I worked with musicians. I had muscle isolation techniques that made me strong, fit and coordinated. And as it was nearly all percussive movements it kept my bones strong. Every time I danced the sweat would pour off me, I ruined so many diamante costumes because of this, and other dancers did the same. Sure, I'm now paying the price as my knees are bad but many who do sports suffer from this too. It's one of the prices of high end exercise. The only sporty thing I've ever done is swimming. I do some wall pilates these days. And I walk.
Women dont have to look like a female version of the incredible hulk to be fit.
I do weights (8Ib in each hand, that Maddog sneered at) I do 50 sit ups every morning, at the minute I am doing my recovery excercises three or four times a day....and I walk too.
My friends of around the same age all take their fitness seriously too.
I don't sneer at anything.
I report what the experts are stating. They say you should be lifting heavy. Then you discount what they say, and blame me for reporting what they say..
You want your idea of what you're doing to be scientifically supported. It simply isn't.
Fluffy said
Jul 21 6:27 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Speaking purely from my own POV and what I find attractive, rather than an individuals level of fitness, I find Ilona to be far too butch looking. I prefer women to be soft and feminine and not have biceps or 6 packs, and I can see where the trans comments are coming from.
I've never been attracted to sporty types apart from equestrian, although I once had a few dates with a pole vaulter who represented GB - she was as tall as me me (6ft) and a bit on the skinny side, but she had a pretty face and was a good dancer.
I've been watching the women's Euros purely for the football, but it's impossible not to do a bit of ogling on the side. Physically wise, they all have the same body types - flat chested, but great arses. But what strikes me as being unusual is that there are hardly any good looking ones, and most have a kind of chavvy loook about them. Maybe they were tom boyish when younger and would rather have a kick about than do girly things.
You don't see many young women today with this shape
Yes you do. She looks nice but many young ladies are slim but have curves in all the right places . There are some stunning albeit simetimes shallow ladies all over Instagram. Sorry if I'm missing the point Digger.
Yeah, thanks for that …..See now, the condescending preaching of precocious (and probably highly neurotic) preening princesses like her, pisses me off and is guaranteed to have the opposite effect of whatever advice she spouts to monetise her social media Likes & Clicks.
How TF does she presume to know none of us will ever sign up for a marathon?! 😂
And that sarcastic ‘Because you’re worth it’ was the deal breaker. I don’t have a sweet tooth. But if I fancy a scoop of pistacchio ice cream after a busy/stressful day, you better be damn sure I’m worth it!
So I assume you won't be doing any kettlebell swings today?.😉
Fluffy said
Jul 21 6:32 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
If we are talking handsome...this one is right up my street.
Matteo Berrittini, Italian tennis player.
Yes, I see the appeal! I can't put vids up on Android but possibly I could try images if you could kindly let me know how to? (On my Welcome Fluffy thread if you don't want to post it here)x
Maddog said
Jul 21 6:39 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog, the reason posters respond to a picture of a woman with muscles by talking about her appearance not her health is just because that's what springs to mind first! You then seem to promote weight lifting for all women for health reasons but most women don't want to achieve that sort of look.
I don't agree with the more harsh insults against the Olympian and think she has every right to look how she wants. But I do think you find this look attractive (no judgement) because you said she was a "bit too big" for you.If I have that wrong I apologise but I assume so because you often post video's of women with muscles, albeit far less muscley than the Olympian. Some men find this look attractive, she wouldn't be on the cover of Sports Illustrated if not but the majority of men (and women ) prefer women without muscles.
This is a running theme. Before joining I recall you telling Syl she should do more weight training for health reasons. The majority of ladies just don't like that look so they keep weights to a minimum , there are many other ways to maintain or improve health without the use of weights. But when that is said to you, you seem to dismiss it.
I don't really know where the conflict lies. The lady is in terrific shape and clearly doing very well in life but weight training is not the only way women can choose to stay healthy
-- Edited by Fluffy on Monday 21st of July 2025 12:31:57 PM
-- Edited by Fluffy on Monday 21st of July 2025 12:47:46 PM
There is no better way to improve health than heavy weights and heavy weights are not going to make you look jacked unless you really get intense on your training and diet.
It your doing what Gabrielle or Stacey Sims says, you're not going to look like a body builder, but your health and body will operate better, later in life..
Your list of things you used to be able to do won't be as long..
Remember, this isn't me saying anything about weights.
But if you dismiss this, you really are stupid. I don't know any nicer way to say it, and that is me saying that..
Syl said
Jul 21 7:42 PM, 2025
Yes Maddog...you sneered.
It wasn't in this thread...and you had not as yet posted any vids of muscular looking women lifting heavy weights. That came later.
We were talking about keeping fit, I said I did sit ups and used two 81b weights every morning, you laughed at that. I said 'yes, they are light, but I do lots of repetitions with various arm movements every morning and they work, because my arms are firm'.
Anyway, for me...they work just fine. x
Maddog said
Jul 21 7:52 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Yes Maddog...you sneered.
It wasn't in this thread...and you had not as yet posted any vids of muscular looking women lifting heavy weights. That came later.
We were talking about keeping fit, I said I did sit ups and used two 81b weights every morning, you laughed at that. I said 'yes, they are light, but I do lots of repetitions with various arm movements every morning and they work, because my arms are firm'.
Anyway, for me...they work just fine. x
I probably said it was better than nothing, but not much.
Simply because all of the evidence says as much.
I'm the messenger, not the Dr or PhD.
Anonymous said
Jul 21 8:49 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes Maddog...you sneered.
It wasn't in this thread...and you had not as yet posted any vids of muscular looking women lifting heavy weights. That came later.
We were talking about keeping fit, I said I did sit ups and used two 81b weights every morning, you laughed at that. I said 'yes, they are light, but I do lots of repetitions with various arm movements every morning and they work, because my arms are firm'.
Anyway, for me...they work just fine. x
I probably said it was better than nothing, but not much.
Simply because all of the evidence says as much.
I'm the messenger, not the Dr or PhD.
She seems to be doing what suits her and what she's happy with. She doesn't appear to have the body image issues or underlying feelings of inadequacy that can drive people to become fixated on exercise.
Anonymous said
Jul 21 9:55 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes Maddog...you sneered.
It wasn't in this thread...and you had not as yet posted any vids of muscular looking women lifting heavy weights. That came later.
We were talking about keeping fit, I said I did sit ups and used two 81b weights every morning, you laughed at that. I said 'yes, they are light, but I do lots of repetitions with various arm movements every morning and they work, because my arms are firm'.
Anyway, for me...they work just fine. x
I probably said it was better than nothing, but not much.
Simply because all of the evidence says as much.
I'm the messenger, not the Dr or PhD.
She seems to be doing what suits her and what she's happy with. She doesn't appear to have the body image issues or underlying feelings of inadequacy that can drive people to become fixated on exercise.
I don’t see the point of taking health advice from someone spouting exercise when they are overweight themselves despite, supposedly, working out with weights. Do as I say and not as I do springs to mind.
No advice targeted at the males, just the females it seems. There’s a word for that.
Red Okktober said
Jul 21 10:12 PM, 2025
Good luck to the England women's team for tomorrow's semi-final
I've always hated sport. But as a dancer I was slim, but fit as a fiddle. I never did weights, or any other exercise apart from dancing. But I could dance full throttle for 50 minutes at a time when I had to, and it was often required when I worked with musicians. I had muscle isolation techniques that made me strong, fit and coordinated. And as it was nearly all percussive movements it kept my bones strong. Every time I danced the sweat would pour off me, I ruined so many diamante costumes because of this, and other dancers did the same. Sure, I'm now paying the price as my knees are bad but many who do sports suffer from this too. It's one of the prices of high end exercise. The only sporty thing I've ever done is swimming. I do some wall pilates these days. And I walk.
Women dont have to look like a female version of the incredible hulk to be fit.
I do weights (8Ib in each hand, that Maddog sneered at)
I do 50 sit ups every morning, at the minute I am doing my recovery excercises three or four times a day....and I walk too.
My friends of around the same age all take their fitness seriously too.
🎯
It‘s fine to want to do social media clips that offer helpful advice and healthy lifestyle hacks. But the secret on social media has to be hooking people in within the first 30 seconds, so that they sit up and pay attention.
It‘s all about ‘delivery’. And most of that daft bint’s delivery sucked worse than an Amazon driver having a bad day.
My mother in law is 87 and going strong. Never exercised in her life.
I've never been attracted to sporty types apart from equestrian, although I once had a few dates with a pole vaulter who represented GB - she was as tall as me me (6ft) and a bit on the skinny side, but she had a pretty face and was a good dancer.
I've been watching the women's Euros purely for the football, but it's impossible not to do a bit of ogling on the side. Physically wise, they all have the same body types - flat chested, but great arses. But what strikes me as being unusual is that there are hardly any good looking ones, and most have a kind of chavvy loook about them. Maybe they were tom boyish when younger and would rather have a kick about than do girly things.
Many male footballers are gorgeous!
I don't know some of their names on foreign teams but they have dark hair and are just mesmerising. David Beckham is considered sexy and I do like his physique and tattoos But the allure is ruined when he starts to talk!
.No denying he certainly looks very very hot for his age!
David Ginola ,a Tottenham player was my first love. I was 18 and he was a very poetic player ( he did fancy footwork )with long hair and a gorgeous accent.
My dad loved his sports especially football but didn't like his friend drooling over the younger tennis players at Wimbledon. He just thought after fifty it was a bit unseemly and called him a dirty old man
He liked Andie McDowell the actress , he just couldn't be doing with men perving over girls that could be their daughters age. He was old fashioned in his way. He was a Tottenham supporter too and wanted to see them play again but his health caught up with him.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Monday 21st of July 2025 06:23:26 PM
You don't see many young women today with this shape
If we are talking handsome...this one is right up my street.
Matteo Berrittini, Italian tennis player.
Definitely not on the football field!
I can undertsand why women footballers have the same body shape, due to the type of training they have to do, but I can't work it out why they are nearly all mingers as well.
I don't sneer at anything.
I report what the experts are stating. They say you should be lifting heavy. Then you discount what they say, and blame me for reporting what they say..
You want your idea of what you're doing to be scientifically supported. It simply isn't.
Yes you do. She looks nice but many young ladies are slim but have curves in all the right places . There are some stunning albeit simetimes shallow ladies all over Instagram. Sorry if I'm missing the point Digger.
So I assume you won't be doing any kettlebell swings today?.😉
Yes, I see the appeal!
I can't put vids up on Android but possibly I could try images if you could kindly let me know how to? (On my Welcome Fluffy thread if you don't want to post it here)x
There is no better way to improve health than heavy weights and heavy weights are not going to make you look jacked unless you really get intense on your training and diet.
It your doing what Gabrielle or Stacey Sims says, you're not going to look like a body builder, but your health and body will operate better, later in life..
Your list of things you used to be able to do won't be as long..
Remember, this isn't me saying anything about weights.
But if you dismiss this, you really are stupid. I don't know any nicer way to say it, and that is me saying that..
Yes Maddog...you sneered.
It wasn't in this thread...and you had not as yet posted any vids of muscular looking women lifting heavy weights. That came later.
We were talking about keeping fit, I said I did sit ups and used two 81b weights every morning, you laughed at that. I said 'yes, they are light, but I do lots of repetitions with various arm movements every morning and they work, because my arms are firm'.
Anyway, for me...they work just fine. x
I probably said it was better than nothing, but not much.
Simply because all of the evidence says as much.
I'm the messenger, not the Dr or PhD.
She seems to be doing what suits her and what she's happy with. She doesn't appear to have the body image issues or underlying feelings of inadequacy that can drive people to become fixated on exercise.
I don’t see the point of taking health advice from someone spouting exercise when they are overweight themselves despite, supposedly, working out with weights. Do as I say and not as I do springs to mind.
No advice targeted at the males, just the females it seems. There’s a word for that.
Good luck to the England women's team for tomorrow's semi-final