That was sarcasm and crass of me, I apologise. But it does get fustrating that nobody bothers to ask why there aren't enough medical staff born and trained in this country. There certainly used to be. Why not now?
According to some people who work in the NHS, it's a lot harder for young English people to be taken on as nurses because they have not got the right qualifications to start the training.
Governments here just don't invest in training for people who want to go into the NHS, they prefer to import them.
Digger said
May 7 3:37 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
That was sarcasm and crass of me, I apologise. But it does get fustrating that nobody bothers to ask why there aren't enough medical staff born and trained in this country. There certainly used to be. Why not now?
According to some people who work in the NHS, it's a lot harder for young English people to be taken on as nurses because they have not got the right qualifications to start the training.
Governments here just don't invest in training for people who want to go into the NHS, they prefer to import them.
Hundreds of frontlineNHSstaff are treating patients despite being under investigation for their part in an alleged “industrial-scale” qualifications fraud.
More than 700 nurses are caught up in a potential scandal, which a former head of the Royal College of Nursing said could put NHS patients at risk.
The scam allegedly involves proxies impersonating nurses and taking a key test in Nigeria, which must be passed for them to become registered and allowed to work in the UK.
That was sarcasm and crass of me, I apologise. But it does get fustrating that nobody bothers to ask why there aren't enough medical staff born and trained in this country. There certainly used to be. Why not now?
According to some people who work in the NHS, it's a lot harder for young English people to be taken on as nurses because they have not got the right qualifications to start the training.
Governments here just don't invest in training for people who want to go into the NHS, they prefer to import them.
Shouldn't the people invest in training themselves?
Are they literally sitting around waiting for the government to drag them out of the house and teach them nursing?
Maddog said
May 7 4:11 PM, 2025
"In general, nurses in the US earn more than their counterparts in the UK. While the average salary for a registered nurse in the US is around $75,000-$89,000 per year, the UK average is around £33,000 - £37,000 (approximately $45,000 - $47,000) annually. This difference in pay is a significant factor for nurses considering relocation."
You get what you pay for. I know plenty of nurses. They are well educated, dedicated and paid well..
Of course that causes our healthcare to be expensive..🤷
Maddog said
May 7 4:17 PM, 2025
As for immigrants, your country has a fertility rate of about 1.4. That's far too low to replace your current population (2.1 is needed) and to support those who are no longer in the workforce. It will decrease your GDP and make your economic conditions even worse..
Now, importing useless fuckers that won't work is not the solution, but there are only two other options, especially in a welfare state like the UK..
Breed them or import them..
Syl said
May 7 5:23 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
That was sarcasm and crass of me, I apologise. But it does get fustrating that nobody bothers to ask why there aren't enough medical staff born and trained in this country. There certainly used to be. Why not now?
According to some people who work in the NHS, it's a lot harder for young English people to be taken on as nurses because they have not got the right qualifications to start the training.
Governments here just don't invest in training for people who want to go into the NHS, they prefer to import them.
Shouldn't the people invest in training themselves?
Are they literally sitting around waiting for the government to drag them out of the house and teach them nursing?
This article is 10 years old, but it's got worse since then. There a lot more nurses imported to work in the NHS now, than there were 10 years ago.
"Up to 80,000 British students each year cannot find places on nursing courses even though the NHS is hiring thousands from abroad, it was revealed yesterday.
And nurses in their 40s who left to start families say they are unable to find jobs to come back to, apparently because they are going to younger European candidates.
It also emerged it costs the NHS £70,000 to train a nurse for three years – but for the same amount it could hire three qualified foreigners on an average salary of £23,000."
That was sarcasm and crass of me, I apologise. But it does get fustrating that nobody bothers to ask why there aren't enough medical staff born and trained in this country. There certainly used to be. Why not now?
According to some people who work in the NHS, it's a lot harder for young English people to be taken on as nurses because they have not got the right qualifications to start the training.
Governments here just don't invest in training for people who want to go into the NHS, they prefer to import them.
Shouldn't the people invest in training themselves?
Are they literally sitting around waiting for the government to drag them out of the house and teach them nursing?
This article is 10 years old, but it's got worse since then. There a lot more nurses imported to work in the NHS now, than there were 10 years ago.
"Up to 80,000 British students each year cannot find places on nursing courses even though the NHS is hiring thousands from abroad, it was revealed yesterday.
And nurses in their 40s who left to start families say they are unable to find jobs to come back to, apparently because they are going to younger European candidates.
It also emerged it costs the NHS £70,000 to train a nurse for three years – but for the same amount it could hire three qualified foreigners on an average salary of £23,000."
I guess that's what happens when create a system where the government is the gatekeeper as to who gets educated by controlling the whole system, including education.
I guess there aren't nursing programs at universities?
Syl said
May 7 5:46 PM, 2025
It sounds a bit like a catch 22 situation.
"You cannot become a registered nurse without qualifications. Nursing is a highly regulated career, so you'll need to be registered with the NMC in order to practice as a nurse. The only way to get registration with the NMC is to hold a nursing degree. That means you cannot become a nurse without a degree."
Maddog said
May 7 5:53 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
It sounds a bit like a catch 22 situation.
"You cannot become a registered nurse without qualifications. Nursing is a highly regulated career, so you'll need to be registered with the NMC in order to practice as a nurse. The only way to get registration with the NMC is to hold a nursing degree. That means you cannot become a nurse without a degree."
So, can an 18 year old go to Uni, get a nursing degree and go get a job?
After seeing what they get paid, maybe it's not worth it.
Can a single nurse buy a house and a nice car on a nurses salary?
Syl said
May 7 6:23 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It sounds a bit like a catch 22 situation.
"You cannot become a registered nurse without qualifications. Nursing is a highly regulated career, so you'll need to be registered with the NMC in order to practice as a nurse. The only way to get registration with the NMC is to hold a nursing degree. That means you cannot become a nurse without a degree."
So, can an 18 year old go to Uni, get a nursing degree and go get a job?
After seeing what they get paid, maybe it's not worth it.
Can a single nurse buy a house and a nice car on a nurses salary?
I think there are nursing degrees you can get an uni...whether you can actually get a job when you get the degree seems to be a difficulty.
I have read articles where people have got the degree, and still can't get a position, as older nurses who are fully qualified and want to return to work can't.
Maddog said
May 7 7:36 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It sounds a bit like a catch 22 situation.
"You cannot become a registered nurse without qualifications. Nursing is a highly regulated career, so you'll need to be registered with the NMC in order to practice as a nurse. The only way to get registration with the NMC is to hold a nursing degree. That means you cannot become a nurse without a degree."
So, can an 18 year old go to Uni, get a nursing degree and go get a job?
After seeing what they get paid, maybe it's not worth it.
Can a single nurse buy a house and a nice car on a nurses salary?
I think there are nursing degrees you can get an uni...whether you can actually get a job when you get the degree seems to be a difficulty.
I have read articles where people have got the degree, and still can't get a position, as older nurses who are fully qualified and want to return to work can't.
How are the immigrants getting the jobs?
Syl said
May 7 11:48 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It sounds a bit like a catch 22 situation.
"You cannot become a registered nurse without qualifications. Nursing is a highly regulated career, so you'll need to be registered with the NMC in order to practice as a nurse. The only way to get registration with the NMC is to hold a nursing degree. That means you cannot become a nurse without a degree."
So, can an 18 year old go to Uni, get a nursing degree and go get a job?
After seeing what they get paid, maybe it's not worth it.
Can a single nurse buy a house and a nice car on a nurses salary?
I think there are nursing degrees you can get an uni...whether you can actually get a job when you get the degree seems to be a difficulty.
I have read articles where people have got the degree, and still can't get a position, as older nurses who are fully qualified and want to return to work can't.
How are the immigrants getting the jobs?
Obviously the NHS recruit staff from other countries. No doubt money figures somewhere.
Maddog said
May 8 12:00 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
It sounds a bit like a catch 22 situation.
"You cannot become a registered nurse without qualifications. Nursing is a highly regulated career, so you'll need to be registered with the NMC in order to practice as a nurse. The only way to get registration with the NMC is to hold a nursing degree. That means you cannot become a nurse without a degree."
So, can an 18 year old go to Uni, get a nursing degree and go get a job?
After seeing what they get paid, maybe it's not worth it.
Can a single nurse buy a house and a nice car on a nurses salary?
I think there are nursing degrees you can get an uni...whether you can actually get a job when you get the degree seems to be a difficulty.
I have read articles where people have got the degree, and still can't get a position, as older nurses who are fully qualified and want to return to work can't.
How are the immigrants getting the jobs?
Obviously the NHS recruit staff from other countries. No doubt money figures somewhere.
Yes, I think it is money. In an attempt to keep costs low enough to provide healthcare to everyone on demand (sorta), they have to import cheap labor.
But can't a native born Brit get that job? And if they do, is 35-40k a year enough to buy a house and a decent car?.
Syl said
May 8 1:16 AM, 2025
A couple who earn two times that amount would be well able to afford a house and car.
A single person....quick estimate, £500 a week, after tax and insurance, I think they would struggle with a mortgage, car and bills.
Maddog said
May 8 1:43 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
A couple who earn two times that amount would be well able to afford a house and car.
A single person....quick estimate, £500 a week, after tax and insurance, I think they would struggle with a mortgage, car and bills.
That's a shame to make so little. A go getter over here can make 6 figures. And I don't mind one bit paying for them because they are that important..
"Travel nurses generally earn higher salaries than staff nurses, often exceeding $100,000 per year. The average salary for a travel nurse is around $101,132 annually. However, the specific earnings can vary based on location, specialty, experience, and the need for nurses in a particular area. Some states, like New York, California, and New Jersey, offer higher compensation for travel nurses."
Syl said
May 8 11:34 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
A couple who earn two times that amount would be well able to afford a house and car.
A single person....quick estimate, £500 a week, after tax and insurance, I think they would struggle with a mortgage, car and bills.
That's a shame to make so little. A go getter over here can make 6 figures. And I don't mind one bit paying for them because they are that important..
"Travel nurses generally earn higher salaries than staff nurses, often exceeding $100,000 per year. The average salary for a travel nurse is around $101,132 annually. However, the specific earnings can vary based on location, specialty, experience, and the need for nurses in a particular area. Some states, like New York, California, and New Jersey, offer higher compensation for travel nurses."
No nurse earns anything like that amount here.
I guess the majority go into nursing for the right reasons, money isn't everything. There are a couple of nurses who live on the estate where I live, (married with children) they live well, nice house, nice car, and satisfaction, rather than a lavish lifestyle.
Maddog said
May 8 5:19 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
A couple who earn two times that amount would be well able to afford a house and car.
A single person....quick estimate, £500 a week, after tax and insurance, I think they would struggle with a mortgage, car and bills.
That's a shame to make so little. A go getter over here can make 6 figures. And I don't mind one bit paying for them because they are that important..
"Travel nurses generally earn higher salaries than staff nurses, often exceeding $100,000 per year. The average salary for a travel nurse is around $101,132 annually. However, the specific earnings can vary based on location, specialty, experience, and the need for nurses in a particular area. Some states, like New York, California, and New Jersey, offer higher compensation for travel nurses."
No nurse earns anything like that amount here.
I guess the majority go into nursing for the right reasons, money isn't everything. There are a couple of nurses who live on the estate where I live, (married with children) they live well, nice house, nice car, and satisfaction, rather than a lavish lifestyle.
100K isn't a lavish lifestyle. It's enough for a single person to not need a spouse for decent lifestyle. Sounds to me like a lot go into nursing to get a ticket out of their 3rd world country.
I know who I want treating me and my loved ones..
Syl said
May 8 7:19 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
A couple who earn two times that amount would be well able to afford a house and car.
A single person....quick estimate, £500 a week, after tax and insurance, I think they would struggle with a mortgage, car and bills.
That's a shame to make so little. A go getter over here can make 6 figures. And I don't mind one bit paying for them because they are that important..
"Travel nurses generally earn higher salaries than staff nurses, often exceeding $100,000 per year. The average salary for a travel nurse is around $101,132 annually. However, the specific earnings can vary based on location, specialty, experience, and the need for nurses in a particular area. Some states, like New York, California, and New Jersey, offer higher compensation for travel nurses."
No nurse earns anything like that amount here.
I guess the majority go into nursing for the right reasons, money isn't everything. There are a couple of nurses who live on the estate where I live, (married with children) they live well, nice house, nice car, and satisfaction, rather than a lavish lifestyle.
100K isn't a lavish lifestyle. It's enough for a single person to not need a spouse for decent lifestyle. Sounds to me like a lot go into nursing to get a ticket out of their 3rd world country.
I know who I want treating me and my loved ones..
In a partnership, if both were earning around the 100k mark, they would have a pretty good lifestyle here, especially where I live in the north.
All anyone wants when they need medical care, are medics who know what they are doing and care about it.
Maddog said
May 8 7:24 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
A couple who earn two times that amount would be well able to afford a house and car.
A single person....quick estimate, £500 a week, after tax and insurance, I think they would struggle with a mortgage, car and bills.
That's a shame to make so little. A go getter over here can make 6 figures. And I don't mind one bit paying for them because they are that important..
"Travel nurses generally earn higher salaries than staff nurses, often exceeding $100,000 per year. The average salary for a travel nurse is around $101,132 annually. However, the specific earnings can vary based on location, specialty, experience, and the need for nurses in a particular area. Some states, like New York, California, and New Jersey, offer higher compensation for travel nurses."
No nurse earns anything like that amount here.
I guess the majority go into nursing for the right reasons, money isn't everything. There are a couple of nurses who live on the estate where I live, (married with children) they live well, nice house, nice car, and satisfaction, rather than a lavish lifestyle.
100K isn't a lavish lifestyle. It's enough for a single person to not need a spouse for decent lifestyle. Sounds to me like a lot go into nursing to get a ticket out of their 3rd world country.
I know who I want treating me and my loved ones..
In a partnership, if both were earning around the 100k mark, they would have a pretty good lifestyle here, especially where I live in the north.
All anyone wants when they need medical care, are medics who know what they are doing and care about it.
And to get the best teacher, pilot, nurse or chef, you need to reward them properly, not go shopping the bargain bin in Africa..
Syl said
May 8 7:43 PM, 2025
To be honest, if an African Dr or consultant is fully trained and good at his job, I don't care .
The vast majority of Dr's and consultants I have seen over the last few years are Asian...seldom English.
According to some people who work in the NHS, it's a lot harder for young English people to be taken on as nurses because they have not got the right qualifications to start the training.
Governments here just don't invest in training for people who want to go into the NHS, they prefer to import them.
Hundreds of frontline NHS staff are treating patients despite being under investigation for their part in an alleged “industrial-scale” qualifications fraud.
More than 700 nurses are caught up in a potential scandal, which a former head of the Royal College of Nursing said could put NHS patients at risk.
The scam allegedly involves proxies impersonating nurses and taking a key test in Nigeria, which must be passed for them to become registered and allowed to work in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/feb/14/nhs-nurses-being-investigated-for-industrial-scale-qualifications
Shouldn't the people invest in training themselves?
Are they literally sitting around waiting for the government to drag them out of the house and teach them nursing?
You get what you pay for. I know plenty of nurses. They are well educated, dedicated and paid well..
Of course that causes our healthcare to be expensive..🤷
Now, importing useless fuckers that won't work is not the solution, but there are only two other options, especially in a welfare state like the UK..
Breed them or import them..
This article is 10 years old, but it's got worse since then. There a lot more nurses imported to work in the NHS now, than there were 10 years ago.
"Up to 80,000 British students each year cannot find places on nursing courses even though the NHS is hiring thousands from abroad, it was revealed yesterday.
And nurses in their 40s who left to start families say they are unable to find jobs to come back to, apparently because they are going to younger European candidates.
It also emerged it costs the NHS £70,000 to train a nurse for three years – but for the same amount it could hire three qualified foreigners on an average salary of £23,000."
80,000 UK students are told they can't train as a nurse | Daily Mail Online
I guess that's what happens when create a system where the government is the gatekeeper as to who gets educated by controlling the whole system, including education.
I guess there aren't nursing programs at universities?
"You cannot become a registered nurse without qualifications. Nursing is a highly regulated career, so you'll need to be registered with the NMC in order to practice as a nurse. The only way to get registration with the NMC is to hold a nursing degree. That means you cannot become a nurse without a degree."
So, can an 18 year old go to Uni, get a nursing degree and go get a job?
After seeing what they get paid, maybe it's not worth it.
Can a single nurse buy a house and a nice car on a nurses salary?
I think there are nursing degrees you can get an uni...whether you can actually get a job when you get the degree seems to be a difficulty.
I have read articles where people have got the degree, and still can't get a position, as older nurses who are fully qualified and want to return to work can't.
How are the immigrants getting the jobs?
Obviously the NHS recruit staff from other countries. No doubt money figures somewhere.
Yes, I think it is money. In an attempt to keep costs low enough to provide healthcare to everyone on demand (sorta), they have to import cheap labor.
But can't a native born Brit get that job? And if they do, is 35-40k a year enough to buy a house and a decent car?.
A single person....quick estimate, £500 a week, after tax and insurance, I think they would struggle with a mortgage, car and bills.
That's a shame to make so little. A go getter over here can make 6 figures. And I don't mind one bit paying for them because they are that important..
"Travel nurses generally earn higher salaries than staff nurses, often exceeding $100,000 per year. The average salary for a travel nurse is around $101,132 annually. However, the specific earnings can vary based on location, specialty, experience, and the need for nurses in a particular area. Some states, like New York, California, and New Jersey, offer higher compensation for travel nurses."
No nurse earns anything like that amount here.
I guess the majority go into nursing for the right reasons, money isn't everything. There are a couple of nurses who live on the estate where I live, (married with children) they live well, nice house, nice car, and satisfaction, rather than a lavish lifestyle.
100K isn't a lavish lifestyle. It's enough for a single person to not need a spouse for decent lifestyle. Sounds to me like a lot go into nursing to get a ticket out of their 3rd world country.
I know who I want treating me and my loved ones..
In a partnership, if both were earning around the 100k mark, they would have a pretty good lifestyle here, especially where I live in the north.
All anyone wants when they need medical care, are medics who know what they are doing and care about it.
And to get the best teacher, pilot, nurse or chef, you need to reward them properly, not go shopping the bargain bin in Africa..
The vast majority of Dr's and consultants I have seen over the last few years are Asian...seldom English.