Maybe the people who choose to go into that profession reckon it's more rewarding than driving an Uber around.
Maybe. But I think a more likely scenario is that you're getting what you pay for..
Nursing is hard work. I think people that get vomited on while trying to keep your ass alive should be paid like important people, and not just hope that shit pay attracts the best and brightest out of some sense of obligation to mankind..
I'll bet veterinarians make more than doctors in the UK..
Pets may get quicker service too 😉
Money isn’t everything. Knowing the pay isn’t top notch doesn’t seem to deter many from going into the UK medical profession.
Bulging salaries doesn’t equate to better medical care.
I think going into the nursing profession or being a doctor should hinge not on earnings but on your empathy and caring nature. I've experienced wonderful nurses and doctors and hideous ones who shouldn't be in the profession.
Well, the hideous ones should be replaced.
Of course that's not easy when they are unionized government workers.
Anonymous said
May 11 1:04 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maybe the people who choose to go into that profession reckon it's more rewarding than driving an Uber around.
Maybe. But I think a more likely scenario is that you're getting what you pay for..
Nursing is hard work. I think people that get vomited on while trying to keep your ass alive should be paid like important people, and not just hope that shit pay attracts the best and brightest out of some sense of obligation to mankind..
I'll bet veterinarians make more than doctors in the UK..
Pets may get quicker service too 😉
Money isn’t everything. Knowing the pay isn’t top notch doesn’t seem to deter many from going into the UK medical profession.
Bulging salaries doesn’t equate to better medical care.
Does a wage that demonstrates respect for the worker create better workers?
I'm not saying they should get paid like footballers and actors, but fuck me, they are kind of important..
No one is disputing their importance, if so where?
Giving someone a high salary doesn’t guarantee excellence…two people in the same job on same salary, one is a grafter the other is an arsehole. Like any profession, good and bad everywhere despite their salaries.
Anonymous said
May 11 1:12 AM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maybe the people who choose to go into that profession reckon it's more rewarding than driving an Uber around.
Maybe. But I think a more likely scenario is that you're getting what you pay for..
Nursing is hard work. I think people that get vomited on while trying to keep your ass alive should be paid like important people, and not just hope that shit pay attracts the best and brightest out of some sense of obligation to mankind..
I'll bet veterinarians make more than doctors in the UK..
Pets may get quicker service too 😉
I have two friends who are nursing assistants, they used to be known as auxillaries. They are the ones who do most of the dirty work, wiping arses, feeding, cleaning up the shit and vomit. That's not to say nurses don't get vomited on, but it won't be them doing most the mundane donkey work. They earn around £19K. Half of what nurses earn.
Yes, worked on a ward for a wee while myself (maternity ward) and they tend to give the shittier jobs to the auxiliaries. My morning job was generally enemas no less and all that that entailed (accidents happen).
Anonymous said
May 11 1:47 AM, 2025
They should be paid more and there is no doubt about it. There is a crisis in the UK economy and nurses have bills and rent to pay like everyone else. They may enter the profession for alturistic reasons which is very noble but when you include the long hours they work leaving precious little time for any social life they deserve to be paid well for dedicating their lives to that essential work.
Anonymous said
May 11 6:02 PM, 2025
”Care workers will no longer be recruited from overseas as part of a crackdown on visas for lower-skilled workers, the home secretary has told the BBC.
Yvette Cooper said it is "time to end that care worker recruitment from abroad" and rules will change this year - instead requiring firms to hire British nationals or extend visas of overseas workers already in the country.
The government plans to unveil changes to visa and recruitment laws on Monday in a bid to cut net migration, and says measures will cut up to 50,000 lower-skilled and care workers coming to the UK over the next year.
Shadow home secretary Chris Philp said the plans were "too little" and called for an annual cap on migration.
The government has already tightened rules around care sector worker after coming to power last July.
Applications for Health and Care Worker visas peaked at 18,300 in August 2023, then collapsed to 1,700 by April this year following the ban on bringing dependants.”CFDNS
Maybe the people who choose to go into that profession reckon it's more rewarding than driving an Uber around.
Maybe. But I think a more likely scenario is that you're getting what you pay for..
Nursing is hard work. I think people that get vomited on while trying to keep your ass alive should be paid like important people, and not just hope that shit pay attracts the best and brightest out of some sense of obligation to mankind..
I'll bet veterinarians make more than doctors in the UK..
Pets may get quicker service too 😉
Money isn’t everything. Knowing the pay isn’t top notch doesn’t seem to deter many from going into the UK medical profession.
Bulging salaries doesn’t equate to better medical care.
Does a wage that demonstrates respect for the worker create better workers?
I'm not saying they should get paid like footballers and actors, but fuck me, they are kind of important..
No one is disputing their importance, if so where?
Giving someone a high salary doesn’t guarantee excellence…two people in the same job on same salary, one is a grafter the other is an arsehole. Like any profession, good and bad everywhere despite their salaries.
Giving them a high salary is reward for doing well. Firing them is what they get for not doing well..
Do you think a system that rewards someone curing your beagle more than someone curing your child makes sense??
Maddog said
May 11 7:07 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
They should be paid more and there is no doubt about it. There is a crisis in the UK economy and nurses have bills and rent to pay like everyone else. They may enter the profession for alturistic reasons which is very noble but when you include the long hours they work leaving precious little time for any social life they deserve to be paid well for dedicating their lives to that essential work.
Exactly. They should be paid like people on other important jobs that require education and sacrifice..
Maddog said
May 11 7:10 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
”Care workers will no longer be recruited from overseas as part of a crackdown on visas for lower-skilled workers, the home secretary has told the BBC.
Yvette Cooper said it is "time to end that care worker recruitment from abroad" and rules will change this year - instead requiring firms to hire British nationals or extend visas of overseas workers already in the country.
The government plans to unveil changes to visa and recruitment laws on Monday in a bid to cut net migration, and says measures will cut up to 50,000 lower-skilled and care workers coming to the UK over the next year.
Shadow home secretary Chris Philp said the plans were "too little" and called for an annual cap on migration.
The government has already tightened rules around care sector worker after coming to power last July.
Applications for Health and Care Worker visas peaked at 18,300 in August 2023, then collapsed to 1,700 by April this year following the ban on bringing dependants.”CFDNS
Care workers aren't really nurses though are they?
Syl said
May 11 7:11 PM, 2025
Dr's don't do badly on the pay scale.
NHS Doctors:
Consultants: Basic salaries range from £105,504 to £139,882 per year.
Specialist Grade Doctors: Basic salaries range from £96,990 to £107,155 per year.
Salaried GPs: Basic salaries are determined by the NHS contract, which includes factors like length of service.
Additional Income: Consultants can supplement their NHS salary with private practice, with earnings depending on the specialty, experience, and workload.
Maddog said
May 11 7:18 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Dr's don't do badly on the pay scale.
NHS Doctors:
Consultants: Basic salaries range from £105,504 to £139,882 per year.
Specialist Grade Doctors: Basic salaries range from £96,990 to £107,155 per year.
Salaried GPs: Basic salaries are determined by the NHS contract, which includes factors like length of service.
Additional Income: Consultants can supplement their NHS salary with private practice, with earnings depending on the specialty, experience, and workload.
That's not bad, but if there are other better paying jobs for folks with that capability, I'm betting they are siphoning off some of the better candidates..
Anonymous said
May 11 7:26 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
”Care workers will no longer be recruited from overseas as part of a crackdown on visas for lower-skilled workers, the home secretary has told the BBC.
Yvette Cooper said it is "time to end that care worker recruitment from abroad" and rules will change this year - instead requiring firms to hire British nationals or extend visas of overseas workers already in the country.
The government plans to unveil changes to visa and recruitment laws on Monday in a bid to cut net migration, and says measures will cut up to 50,000 lower-skilled and care workers coming to the UK over the next year.
Shadow home secretary Chris Philp said the plans were "too little" and called for an annual cap on migration.
The government has already tightened rules around care sector worker after coming to power last July.
Applications for Health and Care Worker visas peaked at 18,300 in August 2023, then collapsed to 1,700 by April this year following the ban on bringing dependants.”CFDNS
Care workers aren't really nurses though are they?
I wasn’t aware the thread was solely talking about nurses/doctors. Silly me.
Syl said
May 11 7:33 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Dr's don't do badly on the pay scale.
NHS Doctors:
Consultants: Basic salaries range from £105,504 to £139,882 per year.
Specialist Grade Doctors: Basic salaries range from £96,990 to £107,155 per year.
Salaried GPs: Basic salaries are determined by the NHS contract, which includes factors like length of service.
Additional Income: Consultants can supplement their NHS salary with private practice, with earnings depending on the specialty, experience, and workload.
That's not bad, but if there are other better paying jobs for folks with that capability, I'm betting they are siphoning off some of the better candidates..
Satisfaction, both in life and in how you earn your money, are a lot more important than running after the best paid job.
And the money mentioned, is high enough to lead a very satisfactory lifestyle indeed.
Maddog said
May 11 7:36 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Dr's don't do badly on the pay scale.
NHS Doctors:
Consultants: Basic salaries range from £105,504 to £139,882 per year.
Specialist Grade Doctors: Basic salaries range from £96,990 to £107,155 per year.
Salaried GPs: Basic salaries are determined by the NHS contract, which includes factors like length of service.
Additional Income: Consultants can supplement their NHS salary with private practice, with earnings depending on the specialty, experience, and workload.
That's not bad, but if there are other better paying jobs for folks with that capability, I'm betting they are siphoning off some of the better candidates..
Satisfaction, both in life and in how you earn your money, are a lot more important than running after the best paid job.
And the money mentioned, is high enough to lead a very satisfactory lifestyle indeed.
Tell that to the athletes out there.
They should just be happy playing a game with their mates for a 100K per year..
And the owners should be able to field a competitive team with those kind of salaries..
Syl said
May 11 7:41 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Dr's don't do badly on the pay scale.
NHS Doctors:
Consultants: Basic salaries range from £105,504 to £139,882 per year.
Specialist Grade Doctors: Basic salaries range from £96,990 to £107,155 per year.
Salaried GPs: Basic salaries are determined by the NHS contract, which includes factors like length of service.
Additional Income: Consultants can supplement their NHS salary with private practice, with earnings depending on the specialty, experience, and workload.
That's not bad, but if there are other better paying jobs for folks with that capability, I'm betting they are siphoning off some of the better candidates..
Satisfaction, both in life and in how you earn your money, are a lot more important than running after the best paid job.
And the money mentioned, is high enough to lead a very satisfactory lifestyle indeed.
Tell that to the athletes out there.
They should just be happy playing a game with their mates for a 100K per year..
And the owners should be able to field a competitive team with those kind of salaries..
I thought we were talking about the caring profession...have we moved on to footie now?
Anonymous said
May 11 7:47 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Dr's don't do badly on the pay scale.
NHS Doctors:
Consultants: Basic salaries range from £105,504 to £139,882 per year.
Specialist Grade Doctors: Basic salaries range from £96,990 to £107,155 per year.
Salaried GPs: Basic salaries are determined by the NHS contract, which includes factors like length of service.
Additional Income: Consultants can supplement their NHS salary with private practice, with earnings depending on the specialty, experience, and workload.
That's not bad, but if there are other better paying jobs for folks with that capability, I'm betting they are siphoning off some of the better candidates..
Satisfaction, both in life and in how you earn your money, are a lot more important than running after the best paid job.
And the money mentioned, is high enough to lead a very satisfactory lifestyle indeed.
Tell that to the athletes out there.
They should just be happy playing a game with their mates for a 100K per year..
And the owners should be able to field a competitive team with those kind of salaries..
I thought we were talking about the caring profession...have we moved on to footie now?
Exactly. We’ve had vets, pilots…I’ve had to check the thread title a few times now.
Maddog said
May 11 7:56 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Dr's don't do badly on the pay scale.
NHS Doctors:
Consultants: Basic salaries range from £105,504 to £139,882 per year.
Specialist Grade Doctors: Basic salaries range from £96,990 to £107,155 per year.
Salaried GPs: Basic salaries are determined by the NHS contract, which includes factors like length of service.
Additional Income: Consultants can supplement their NHS salary with private practice, with earnings depending on the specialty, experience, and workload.
That's not bad, but if there are other better paying jobs for folks with that capability, I'm betting they are siphoning off some of the better candidates..
Satisfaction, both in life and in how you earn your money, are a lot more important than running after the best paid job.
And the money mentioned, is high enough to lead a very satisfactory lifestyle indeed.
Tell that to the athletes out there.
They should just be happy playing a game with their mates for a 100K per year..
And the owners should be able to field a competitive team with those kind of salaries..
I thought we were talking about the caring profession...have we moved on to footie now?
Were talking about people. They like to be valued beyond a pat on the back..
Maddog said
May 11 8:03 PM, 2025
"One third (33 per cent) of the 4,500 junior doctors in England surveyed said they were planning to work in another country in the next year, with Australia and New Zealand were the top destinations."
Seems doctors aren't that different than footballers (or anyone else really)..
They will play for team that rewards them best..
Maddog said
May 11 8:09 PM, 2025
"The NHS is losing senior doctors to countries including Ireland, Australia and the United Arab Emirates because they can double their salary and enjoy better working conditions."
As a man, and a father, I understand wanting a better life with better working conditions.
You can pretend that life doesn't get better with more money, but you'd be wrong. It's not everything (health for example), but it sure can take some pressure off if you are highly paid.
Anonymous said
May 11 8:11 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Dr's don't do badly on the pay scale.
NHS Doctors:
Consultants: Basic salaries range from £105,504 to £139,882 per year.
Specialist Grade Doctors: Basic salaries range from £96,990 to £107,155 per year.
Salaried GPs: Basic salaries are determined by the NHS contract, which includes factors like length of service.
Additional Income: Consultants can supplement their NHS salary with private practice, with earnings depending on the specialty, experience, and workload.
That's not bad, but if there are other better paying jobs for folks with that capability, I'm betting they are siphoning off some of the better candidates..
Satisfaction, both in life and in how you earn your money, are a lot more important than running after the best paid job.
And the money mentioned, is high enough to lead a very satisfactory lifestyle indeed.
Tell that to the athletes out there.
They should just be happy playing a game with their mates for a 100K per year..
And the owners should be able to field a competitive team with those kind of salaries..
I thought we were talking about the caring profession...have we moved on to footie now?
Were talking about people. They like to be valued beyond a pat on the back..
Just not care workers. Okiedokie.
Anonymous said
May 11 8:32 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
"The NHS is losing senior doctors to countries including Ireland, Australia and the United Arab Emirates because they can double their salary and enjoy better working conditions."
As a man, and a father, I understand wanting a better life with better working conditions.
You can pretend that life doesn't get better with more money, but you'd be wrong. It's not everything (health for example), but it sure can take some pressure off if you are highly paid.
Of course money matters, we all have to live, no one is disputing that. No one here is pretending anything from what I can see. You cannot seem to grasp that not everyone is led by money and some look for job satisfaction moreso…whether that’s working on the bins or in a top paying hospital. You’ll just have to accept that not everyone shares your opinion.
The NHS isn’t perfect and from what I’ve learned, from an American friend of long standing, neither is the US medical services.
Well, the hideous ones should be replaced.
Of course that's not easy when they are unionized government workers.
No one is disputing their importance, if so where?
Giving someone a high salary doesn’t guarantee excellence…two people in the same job on same salary, one is a grafter the other is an arsehole. Like any profession, good and bad everywhere despite their salaries.
Yes, worked on a ward for a wee while myself (maternity ward) and they tend to give the shittier jobs to the auxiliaries. My morning job was generally enemas no less and all that that entailed (accidents happen).
”Care workers will no longer be recruited from overseas as part of a crackdown on visas for lower-skilled workers, the home secretary has told the BBC.
Yvette Cooper said it is "time to end that care worker recruitment from abroad" and rules will change this year - instead requiring firms to hire British nationals or extend visas of overseas workers already in the country.
The government plans to unveil changes to visa and recruitment laws on Monday in a bid to cut net migration, and says measures will cut up to 50,000 lower-skilled and care workers coming to the UK over the next year.
Shadow home secretary Chris Philp said the plans were "too little" and called for an annual cap on migration.
The government has already tightened rules around care sector worker after coming to power last July.
Applications for Health and Care Worker visas peaked at 18,300 in August 2023, then collapsed to 1,700 by April this year following the ban on bringing dependants.”CFDNS
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c626dyd8y8wo
Giving them a high salary is reward for doing well. Firing them is what they get for not doing well..
Do you think a system that rewards someone curing your beagle more than someone curing your child makes sense??
Exactly. They should be paid like people on other important jobs that require education and sacrifice..
Care workers aren't really nurses though are they?
Dr's don't do badly on the pay scale.
NHS Doctors:
Consultants: Basic salaries range from £105,504 to £139,882 per year.
Specialist Grade Doctors: Basic salaries range from £96,990 to £107,155 per year.
Salaried GPs: Basic salaries are determined by the NHS contract, which includes factors like length of service.
Additional Income: Consultants can supplement their NHS salary with private practice, with earnings depending on the specialty, experience, and workload.
That's not bad, but if there are other better paying jobs for folks with that capability, I'm betting they are siphoning off some of the better candidates..
I wasn’t aware the thread was solely talking about nurses/doctors. Silly me.
Satisfaction, both in life and in how you earn your money, are a lot more important than running after the best paid job.
And the money mentioned, is high enough to lead a very satisfactory lifestyle indeed.
Tell that to the athletes out there.
They should just be happy playing a game with their mates for a 100K per year..
And the owners should be able to field a competitive team with those kind of salaries..
I thought we were talking about the caring profession...have we moved on to footie now?
Exactly. We’ve had vets, pilots…I’ve had to check the thread title a few times now.
Were talking about people. They like to be valued beyond a pat on the back..
www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-junior-doctors-quit-strike-b2252333.html
Seems doctors aren't that different than footballers (or anyone else really)..
They will play for team that rewards them best..
www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/22/nhs-growing-exodus-senior-doctors-surgeons-foreign-healthcare-systems
As a man, and a father, I understand wanting a better life with better working conditions.
You can pretend that life doesn't get better with more money, but you'd be wrong. It's not everything (health for example), but it sure can take some pressure off if you are highly paid.
Just not care workers. Okiedokie.
Of course money matters, we all have to live, no one is disputing that. No one here is pretending anything from what I can see. You cannot seem to grasp that not everyone is led by money and some look for job satisfaction moreso…whether that’s working on the bins or in a top paying hospital. You’ll just have to accept that not everyone shares your opinion.
The NHS isn’t perfect and from what I’ve learned, from an American friend of long standing, neither is the US medical services.