We must remember to avoid statements such as: "He stuck his .... " and replace it with statements such as "It was claimed that he stuck his .... " Otherwise it is the slippery slope to fictional thinking.
Syl said
Sep 17 6:29 PM, 2023
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
It will be interesting to see if any charges will be brought, because in the eyes of the law, so far, he is guilty of nothing.
If they can accuse poor old Cliff, then nobody else stands a chance.
That was a farce, and the way the BBC threw him under the bus, was very different to the way they have shielded and protected other known abusers...what a bloody corrupt organisation that is.
Cliff was never charged, I have a feeling, if any of these women who took part in last night's programme go to the police, the outcome may be different for Brand.
With the evidence last night's programme seemed to have, the police could go ahead even without the women willing to press charges.
Digger said
Sep 17 6:44 PM, 2023
Syl wrote:
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
It will be interesting to see if any charges will be brought, because in the eyes of the law, so far, he is guilty of nothing.
If they can accuse poor old Cliff, then nobody else stands a chance.
That was a farce, and the way the BBC threw him under the bus, was very different to the way they have shielded and protected other known abusers...what a bloody corrupt organisation that is.
Cliff was never charged, I have a feeling, if any of these women who took part in last night's programme go to the police, the outcome may be different for Brand.
With the evidence last night's programme seemed to have, the police could go ahead even without the women willing to press charges.
Some of the women were played by actresses. Surely they have to reveal who they are if they are going to have any credibility? They'd have to do that in court anyway.
Syl said
Sep 17 6:50 PM, 2023
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
It will be interesting to see if any charges will be brought, because in the eyes of the law, so far, he is guilty of nothing.
If they can accuse poor old Cliff, then nobody else stands a chance.
That was a farce, and the way the BBC threw him under the bus, was very different to the way they have shielded and protected other known abusers...what a bloody corrupt organisation that is.
Cliff was never charged, I have a feeling, if any of these women who took part in last night's programme go to the police, the outcome may be different for Brand.
With the evidence last night's programme seemed to have, the police could go ahead even without the women willing to press charges.
Some of the women were played by actresses. Surely they have to reveal who they are if they are going to have any credibility? They'd have to do that in court anyway.
I think if the police are so inclined, and they have evidence, they could press charges even without the women's help.
The programme makers knew of the womens identity, they just didn't want to be seen or heard on camera. At least one had been threatened by Brands legal team.
Syl said
Sep 17 6:59 PM, 2023
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
'Rachel' - not her real name - told The Times in a report published today that when she was 24, Brand flashed his penis at her as she walked into his dressing room. She claims that the comedian and actor 'insinuated' that she could perform oral sex on him. Rachel said she was shocked by the comment and refused.
She then goes on to have a relationship with him. ??? Why would you?
Naive, vulnerable victim being exploited?
She initially seemed strong enough to be shocked and refuse his advances. What changed? She could have continued to say no. Every single woman I know would have either reported his behaviour there and then or walked off and never interacted with him again.
According to some sources he was reported but once again the good old BBC refused to act.
It does kind of make women look weak. I don't think that's the case with most women..
Even the assault with the 16 year old wasn't much of an assault. His dick didn't accidentally slip into her mouth. She was performing felatio and he jammed it down her throat, made her choke and she punched him..
What most women would say "not cool asshole", and cut him off for awhile. While I have no idea if she cut him off, this event didn't seem to end the relationship..
So now what? Are there any plans for criminal investigations, or do we all just sit back and make up our minds on who's lying the most amd who's lying the least?.
The girl was groomed, he dictated how she should lie to her parents so they could be together.He even called her 'the child' FGS.
Anonymous said
Sep 17 8:51 PM, 2023
I think we need to take care as to what constitutes evidence. Alleged reconstructions on television I don't think can be said to be evidence. Statements made outside of a court cannot I believe be said to represent evidence. Hearsay and re-enactments are not evidence.
Maddog said
Sep 17 9:14 PM, 2023
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
'Rachel' - not her real name - told The Times in a report published today that when she was 24, Brand flashed his penis at her as she walked into his dressing room. She claims that the comedian and actor 'insinuated' that she could perform oral sex on him. Rachel said she was shocked by the comment and refused.
She then goes on to have a relationship with him. ??? Why would you?
Naive, vulnerable victim being exploited?
She initially seemed strong enough to be shocked and refuse his advances. What changed? She could have continued to say no. Every single woman I know would have either reported his behaviour there and then or walked off and never interacted with him again.
According to some sources he was reported but once again the good old BBC refused to act.
It does kind of make women look weak. I don't think that's the case with most women..
Even the assault with the 16 year old wasn't much of an assault. His dick didn't accidentally slip into her mouth. She was performing felatio and he jammed it down her throat, made her choke and she punched him..
What most women would say "not cool asshole", and cut him off for awhile. While I have no idea if she cut him off, this event didn't seem to end the relationship..
So now what? Are there any plans for criminal investigations, or do we all just sit back and make up our minds on who's lying the most amd who's lying the least?.
The girl was groomed, he dictated how she should lie to her parents so they could be together.He even called her 'the child' FGS.
Someone said he called her the child.
Maybe she was groomed? Whatever word you want to use, the relationship with a 16 year old is problematic (and illegal in the US), especially if he knew..
Let's hope these ladies had enough sense to keep some text messages.
Did the show last night show any text messages? Documentation?
Also, Brand speakes of a letter amd an email that he got from the media before this story broke..
He should publish those too.
Syl said
Sep 17 11:34 PM, 2023
Apparently one woman had several damning texts that were verified as coming from Brand.
Maddog said
Sep 18 12:26 AM, 2023
Syl wrote:
Apparently one woman had several damning texts that were verified as coming from Brand.
Maybe she did. I'd think it would be responsible journalism to publish them..
Maddog said
Sep 18 12:59 AM, 2023
Let's take The Mail and Hunter Biden.
They didn't report that they has crazy pictures of him from his laptop, they posted them..
Maybe, now they have done the expose, they will hand the evidence over to the police.
Syl said
Sep 18 1:42 AM, 2023
Better late than never.
"TV bosses have launched a probe into Russell Brand amid claims he raped and sexually abused women.
The BBC and a production firm for Channel 4 are looking into his alleged behaviour and whether chiefs knew about it. A source said the reviews will aim to see “if a blind eye was turned to” any claims. Brand denies the accusations.
Our source said: "The reviews will look at what concerns were raised at the time, and crucially if they were acted on. There is more than a whiff of panic among certain quarters about what the probe could uncover, and if a blind eye was turned to aspects of Russell Brand's behaviour."
I haven't watched the Channel 4 documentary yet, I taped it last night so I'll watch it later. Does anyone else wonder at the dichotomy of this expose coming from a TV channel that gave us Naked Attraction, where genitalia was the driving decision for a relationship, and a series where young people were imprisoned in a house to fight and traumatise each other for the entertainment of the masses? Perhaps it's time to clean up TV and stop encouraging people to behave like idiots.
Syl said
Sep 18 12:00 PM, 2023
Digger wrote:
I haven't watched the Channel 4 documentary yet, I taped it last night so I'll watch it later. Does anyone else wonder at the dichotomy of this expose coming from a TV channel that gave us Naked Attraction, where genitalia was the driving decision for a relationship, and a series where young people were imprisoned in a house to fight and traumatise each other for the entertainment of the masses? Perhaps it's time to clean up TV and stop encouraging people to behave like idiots.
Rot like this usually starts from the top and spreads down.
Unfortunately nowadays the people making the decisions on some of these programmes seem to be snotty-nosed kids driven by pure greed and the need to be as outrageous as possible.
Immoral, and when the shit hits the fan, hypocritical. A couple of older women, one was Brands one time PA, spoke out at how appalled they were at his behaviour, a bit like the Saville case, it seems everyone knew, but no one said much.
On the news this morning, more women are speaking out, and police are urging women who feel they were abused by him to come forward.
"RUSSELL Brand is facing a new raft of allegations after he was accused of rape, sexual assault and abuse by multiple women in a bombshell investigation.
Both the BBC and Channel 4 have now launched an urgent probe into the allegations, with the Met Police urging any further potential victims to come forward.
"TV bosses have launched a probe into Russell Brand amid claims he raped and sexually abused women.
The BBC and a production firm for Channel 4 are looking into his alleged behaviour and whether chiefs knew about it. A source said the reviews will aim to see “if a blind eye was turned to” any claims. Brand denies the accusations.
Our source said: "The reviews will look at what concerns were raised at the time, and crucially if they were acted on. There is more than a whiff of panic among certain quarters about what the probe could uncover, and if a blind eye was turned to aspects of Russell Brand's behaviour."
I haven't watched the Channel 4 documentary yet, I taped it last night so I'll watch it later. Does anyone else wonder at the dichotomy of this expose coming from a TV channel that gave us Naked Attraction, where genitalia was the driving decision for a relationship, and a series where young people were imprisoned in a house to fight and traumatise each other for the entertainment of the masses? Perhaps it's time to clean up TV and stop encouraging people to behave like idiots.
Rot like this usually starts from the top and spreads down.
Unfortunately nowadays the people making the decisions on some of these programmes seem to be snotty-nosed kids driven by pure greed and the need to be as outrageous as possible.
Immoral, and when the shit hits the fan, hypocritical. A couple of older women, one was Brands one time PA, spoke out at how appalled they were at his behaviour, a bit like the Saville case, it seems everyone knew, but no one said much.
On the news this morning, more women are speaking out, and police are urging women who feel they were abused by him to come forward.
"RUSSELL Brand is facing a new raft of allegations after he was accused of rape, sexual assault and abuse by multiple women in a bombshell investigation.
Both the BBC and Channel 4 have now launched an urgent probe into the allegations, with the Met Police urging any further potential victims to come forward.
Apparently, some Channel 4 employees were told to shut up or else lose your job when they complained about how they were treated when working on Big Brother. The hypocrisy is outstanding.
Syl said
Sep 18 12:13 PM, 2023
It's not hard to see where Brand got his contempt for women from.
"Brand's dad has criticised the attention around the 'unproven' allegations, writing: "Is this seriously the most important thing happening in this world? Immigrants? Cost of living? 10s of thousands killed in Ukraine? Who is prioritising at BBC News. Who is really driving this vendetta?" With many struggling to pay bills. The unproven accusations of 15 years ago take lead on BBC News?"
...........
Writing in his 2007 autobiography My Booky Wook, the comedian described, when he was 17, his dad took him to Hong Kong and introduced him to prostitutes, where he received oral sex from a sex worker while his dad was on the adjacent bed with two other women.
He wrote.. "In the course of the rest of that holiday, I had sex with loads more prostitutes; always got a hard on, never wore a condom, and never fell in love. In Bangkok, when bar girls in Patpong left their posts to follow me down the street, cooing and touching my hair, I felt that I had my dad's unequivocal approval."
It's not hard to see where Brand got his contempt for women from.
"Brand's dad has criticised the attention around the 'unproven' allegations, writing: "Is this seriously the most important thing happening in this world? Immigrants? Cost of living? 10s of thousands killed in Ukraine? Who is prioritising at BBC News. Who is really driving this vendetta?" With many struggling to pay bills. The unproven accusations of 15 years ago take lead on BBC News?"
...........
Writing in his 2007 autobiography My Booky Wook, the comedian described, when he was 17, his dad took him to Hong Kong and introduced him to prostitutes, where he received oral sex from a sex worker while his dad was on the adjacent bed with two other women.
He wrote.. "In the course of the rest of that holiday, I had sex with loads more prostitutes; always got a hard on, never wore a condom, and never fell in love. In Bangkok, when bar girls in Patpong left their posts to follow me down the street, cooing and touching my hair, I felt that I had my dad's unequivocal approval."
I read that book years ago. His dad should be ashamed. There's this toxic masculine misconception regarding how boys should spread their wild oats. I think it's true that males need to gain experience sexually but not the way Brand's dad did. So, you can see exactly where his twisted sexuality originated from. He was a self confessed sex addict for years, going to group orgies in the most sleazy places and the more sordid the more it turned him on. He knew he had a problem but couldn't stop it.
I dated someone many years ago who turned out to have a real problem sexually. They were just like Brand, and he'd been exposed to porn from a very early age - 11 years. He'd been brought up in children's homes so was more of less exposed to this more than a child from a normal family home. He was a father at 14, and when I met him he was desperate to be 'normal'. I tried to help him but he was beyond help. Needless to say, the relationship didn't last long. Last I heard he's still single and can't hold down a relationship.
Brand, however, stopped this behaviour in 2015 and is now happily married with kids. Good for him for cleaning up his act. But your past can often bite you rather badly on the arse. I don't think Brand is unique in any way regarding this, he's just famous and that's his misfortune.
SF said
Sep 18 12:39 PM, 2023
Thing is there is a hell of a lot of bleating about this when no-one knows the truth at this stage.
Syl said
Sep 18 12:39 PM, 2023
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Better late than never.
"TV bosses have launched a probe into Russell Brand amid claims he raped and sexually abused women.
The BBC and a production firm for Channel 4 are looking into his alleged behaviour and whether chiefs knew about it. A source said the reviews will aim to see “if a blind eye was turned to” any claims. Brand denies the accusations.
Our source said: "The reviews will look at what concerns were raised at the time, and crucially if they were acted on. There is more than a whiff of panic among certain quarters about what the probe could uncover, and if a blind eye was turned to aspects of Russell Brand's behaviour."
The voice over is wrong to suggest that this started because politically, Brand was treading on too many toes. It all started when the once 16 year old decided to speak out, and it grew from there.
As for the 'faked' texts...it does look doctored in some way, but that could be because they took out text that was not appropriate to be shown publicly.
If the police decide to investigate, it would soon become obvious to them whether they were genuine or not.
I understand his supporters will want to disbelieve the allegations, and no doubt some women will be rushing to add their own sordid encounters to the rest, but as there seems to have been a huge cover up. dont you think it's right that if he did sexually abuse, rape, and take advantage of women, including schoolgirls (latest accusation) he should be brought to book?
We must remember to avoid statements such as: "He stuck his .... " and replace it with statements such as "It was claimed that he stuck his .... " Otherwise it is the slippery slope to fictional thinking.
That was a farce, and the way the BBC threw him under the bus, was very different to the way they have shielded and protected other known abusers...what a bloody corrupt organisation that is.
Cliff was never charged, I have a feeling, if any of these women who took part in last night's programme go to the police, the outcome may be different for Brand.
With the evidence last night's programme seemed to have, the police could go ahead even without the women willing to press charges.
Some of the women were played by actresses. Surely they have to reveal who they are if they are going to have any credibility? They'd have to do that in court anyway.
I think if the police are so inclined, and they have evidence, they could press charges even without the women's help.
The programme makers knew of the womens identity, they just didn't want to be seen or heard on camera. At least one had been threatened by Brands legal team.
The girl was groomed, he dictated how she should lie to her parents so they could be together.He even called her 'the child' FGS.
I think we need to take care as to what constitutes evidence. Alleged reconstructions on television I don't think can be said to be evidence. Statements made outside of a court cannot I believe be said to represent evidence. Hearsay and re-enactments are not evidence.
Someone said he called her the child.
Maybe she was groomed? Whatever word you want to use, the relationship with a 16 year old is problematic (and illegal in the US), especially if he knew..
Let's hope these ladies had enough sense to keep some text messages.
Did the show last night show any text messages? Documentation?
Also, Brand speakes of a letter amd an email that he got from the media before this story broke..
He should publish those too.
Maybe she did. I'd think it would be responsible journalism to publish them..
They didn't report that they has crazy pictures of him from his laptop, they posted them..
Then it's no longer hearsay..
Better late than never.
"TV bosses have launched a probe into Russell Brand amid claims he raped and sexually abused women.
The BBC and a production firm for Channel 4 are looking into his alleged behaviour and whether chiefs knew about it. A source said the reviews will aim to see “if a blind eye was turned to” any claims. Brand denies the accusations.
Our source said: "The reviews will look at what concerns were raised at the time, and crucially if they were acted on. There is more than a whiff of panic among certain quarters about what the probe could uncover, and if a blind eye was turned to aspects of Russell Brand's behaviour."
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/russell-brand-dispatches-channel4-allegations-30955255
I haven't watched the Channel 4 documentary yet, I taped it last night so I'll watch it later. Does anyone else wonder at the dichotomy of this expose coming from a TV channel that gave us Naked Attraction, where genitalia was the driving decision for a relationship, and a series where young people were imprisoned in a house to fight and traumatise each other for the entertainment of the masses? Perhaps it's time to clean up TV and stop encouraging people to behave like idiots.
Rot like this usually starts from the top and spreads down.
Unfortunately nowadays the people making the decisions on some of these programmes seem to be snotty-nosed kids driven by pure greed and the need to be as outrageous as possible.
Immoral, and when the shit hits the fan, hypocritical. A couple of older women, one was Brands one time PA, spoke out at how appalled they were at his behaviour, a bit like the Saville case, it seems everyone knew, but no one said much.
On the news this morning, more women are speaking out, and police are urging women who feel they were abused by him to come forward.
"RUSSELL Brand is facing a new raft of allegations after he was accused of rape, sexual assault and abuse by multiple women in a bombshell investigation.
In the wake of shocking claims made this weekend, more alleged victims have contacted The Sunday Times with more accusations against the TV presenter.2
Both the BBC and Channel 4 have now launched an urgent probe into the allegations, with the Met Police urging any further potential victims to come forward.
Russell Brand news — TV presenter faces new abuse allegations as 'rape victim' speaks out over fears for women's safety | The Sun
Syl, just watch this.
Apparently, some Channel 4 employees were told to shut up or else lose your job when they complained about how they were treated when working on Big Brother. The hypocrisy is outstanding.
It's not hard to see where Brand got his contempt for women from.
"Brand's dad has criticised the attention around the 'unproven' allegations, writing: "Is this seriously the most important thing happening in this world? Immigrants? Cost of living? 10s of thousands killed in Ukraine? Who is prioritising at BBC News. Who is really driving this vendetta?"
With many struggling to pay bills. The unproven accusations of 15 years ago take lead on BBC News?"
...........
Writing in his 2007 autobiography My Booky Wook, the comedian described, when he was 17, his dad took him to Hong Kong and introduced him to prostitutes, where he received oral sex from a sex worker while his dad was on the adjacent bed with two other women.
He wrote.. "In the course of the rest of that holiday, I had sex with loads more prostitutes; always got a hard on, never wore a condom, and never fell in love. In Bangkok, when bar girls in Patpong left their posts to follow me down the street, cooing and touching my hair, I felt that I had my dad's unequivocal approval."
Russell Brand's dad, Ron Brand, speaks out in defence of son following Channel 4 Dispatches documentary (ladbible.com)
I read that book years ago. His dad should be ashamed. There's this toxic masculine misconception regarding how boys should spread their wild oats. I think it's true that males need to gain experience sexually but not the way Brand's dad did. So, you can see exactly where his twisted sexuality originated from. He was a self confessed sex addict for years, going to group orgies in the most sleazy places and the more sordid the more it turned him on. He knew he had a problem but couldn't stop it.
I dated someone many years ago who turned out to have a real problem sexually. They were just like Brand, and he'd been exposed to porn from a very early age - 11 years. He'd been brought up in children's homes so was more of less exposed to this more than a child from a normal family home. He was a father at 14, and when I met him he was desperate to be 'normal'. I tried to help him but he was beyond help. Needless to say, the relationship didn't last long. Last I heard he's still single and can't hold down a relationship.
Brand, however, stopped this behaviour in 2015 and is now happily married with kids. Good for him for cleaning up his act. But your past can often bite you rather badly on the arse. I don't think Brand is unique in any way regarding this, he's just famous and that's his misfortune.
I watched it.
The voice over is wrong to suggest that this started because politically, Brand was treading on too many toes. It all started when the once 16 year old decided to speak out, and it grew from there.
As for the 'faked' texts...it does look doctored in some way, but that could be because they took out text that was not appropriate to be shown publicly.
If the police decide to investigate, it would soon become obvious to them whether they were genuine or not.
I understand his supporters will want to disbelieve the allegations, and no doubt some women will be rushing to add their own sordid encounters to the rest, but as there seems to have been a huge cover up. dont you think it's right that if he did sexually abuse, rape, and take advantage of women, including schoolgirls (latest accusation) he should be brought to book?