As Descartes said we cannot "climb outside our head" to observe what reality actually is. As you say we are limited by our own human perception. Shrimp and dragonflies can see 30 different colours so the world they perceive is far more accurate than the one our eyesight permits us to see. I would argue there IS a red, but that humans are restricted in seeing it as it really looks.
The trouble is it becomes meaningless to talk about how something really looks because without it being looked at it can't look like anything! nor can it smell, sound, feel, taste like anything so you'd run out of words for how it might be described...
Yes, it's a shame we can't ask the dragonflies what we are missing! If you are the same Anon who has contributed a few times to this thread, thankyou..can I ask what you believe happens after death? You don't have to reply but you have given much food for thought and I'm interested to know your stance.
Yes I'm the same one.
I'd venture to say that the rose in and of itself is a 'pseudo-reality' where the concept of colour doesn't exist, given that the only reality we can ever know (including colour) is the one created by our own (or in its case a dragonfly's) senses. However we are taken in by the tricks and traps of how our language is structured when we say 'the rose is red'.
As far as the question of what happens after death goes, I'd say that just like the question of whether there's intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, the answer is that we simply don't know.
Having said that, it does seem to me that a person has a soul, or spirit, that seems distinct from their physical body (the ghost in the machine?). And there's no more reason to believe the soul is a product of the body than there is to believe that the body is a product of the soul, even if that runs contrary to modern thinking.
So on balance it might be more conducive to a better life to think our soul will carry on after we die?
I hope so even if scientists scoff. I don't really see my body as myself (sounds a tad bizarre I know). Obviously I realise I inhabit my body (!) but feel my mind and my thoughts are the true me.
You should put some thought into joining Anon as you have some very insightful views If not, then don't be a stranger.
Vam said
Jul 17 9:25 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
I hope so even if scientists scoff. I don't really see my body as myself (sounds a tad bizarre I know). Obviously I realise I inhabit my body (!) but feel my mind and my thoughts are the true me.
You should put some thought into joining Anon as you have some very insightful views If not, then don't be a stranger.
I’d like to second that, fwiw.
This Anon‘s posts seem similar to (the real) SF‘s style of posting. And if you’re not SF, Anon, then please take what I’m saying as a compliment
Fluffy said
Jul 17 1:15 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I hope so even if scientists scoff. I don't really see my body as myself (sounds a tad bizarre I know). Obviously I realise I inhabit my body (!) but feel my mind and my thoughts are the true me.
You should put some thought into joining Anon as you have some very insightful views If not, then don't be a stranger.
I’d like to second that, fwiw.
This Anon‘s posts seem similar to (the real) SF‘s style of posting. And if you’re not SF, Anon, then please take what I’m saying as a compliment
Your avi is hysterical Seeing him as the comedy figure he should be is far more productive than getting angry with him (although I often can't help it)
The problem is he is the most powerful man in the world and could ruin so many lives on a whim. I don't blame the electorates who voted him in but I'm pretty sure most are feeling buyer's remorse.
Vam said
Jul 17 1:51 PM, 2025
@ Fluffster…don’t get me started on him in here too! 😇😂
I hope so even if scientists scoff. I don't really see my body as myself (sounds a tad bizarre I know). Obviously I realise I inhabit my body (!) but feel my mind and my thoughts are the true me.
You should put some thought into joining Anon as you have some very insightful views
If not, then don't be a stranger.
I’d like to second that, fwiw.
This Anon‘s posts seem similar to (the real) SF‘s style of posting. And if you’re not SF, Anon, then please take what I’m saying as a compliment
Your avi is hysterical
Seeing him as the comedy figure he should be is far more productive than getting angry with him (although I often can't help it)
The problem is he is the most powerful man in the world and could ruin so many lives on a whim. I don't blame the electorates who voted him in but I'm pretty sure most are feeling buyer's remorse.
@ Fluffster…don’t get me started on him in here too! 😇😂