trump is predictably making political haystacks out of this terrible event (wait for the spectacle of the made-for-tv funeral), and Republicans are proceeding with their maudlin near-canonisation of Charlie Kirk.
But I can’t help recalling how one of Kirk’s besties, trump’s failson, celebrated the deranged attack on Nancy Pelosi’s 80-year old husband, whose head was battered to a pulp with a hammer in the dead of night.
Then there’s a Republican US Senator, ripping the piss out of a murderous attack on a Democratic state representative in Minnesota, whose husband and dog were fatally shot too. trump didn’t even bother reaching out to Minnesota’s Governor, Tim Walz to convey condolence (“a waste of time”).
-- Edited by Vam on Thursday 11th of September 2025 05:35:01 PM
Yup, and making it a right .v. left thing is exactly the oppositeof what America needs right now.
I honestly think a lot of people spend way too much time online, which warps their moral compass and impedes them from thinking clearly. As I said before the likely social issue at play here is online radicalisation which affects both the left and right. We will know more as the facts emerge but that is the most likely scenario.
QFT. The President clearly himself spends too much time online since he has already condemned the killer as a "radically left" individual when the police have no idea who committed this abhorrent act and were asking the public for assistance.
Trump has also said that it's due to the radical left discourse that political violence is on the rise. It has to be said that the right seem to be pretty outspoken and radical themselves, especially Trump's administration. Kirk 's insistence that black women don't have the "brain power" to be in good jobs (including Michelle Obama) that "should be occupied by white men" staggered me. These are direct quotes from the man himself aired on LBC and taken from his show.
I didn't know much about the deceased prior to yesterday and I do feel sorry for his family but his politics go beyond just right wing I would say. If he was prepared to say such controversial things in public forums I'm surprised he didn't have far more security.
If Trump uses his friend's death as a reason to attack his political opponents and the public who vote democrat then I fear for the trajectory that will likely soon occur not just in the States but the knock on effect it may have here too. The man is an agent of chaos and division.
He had typical Right Wing Christian views.
What do you think they believe?
No he didn't.
Saying black women are less intelligent than white men is going beyond "christian views" . So is objecting to the Civil Rights movement!
I'm talking about Kirk here btw.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 11th of September 2025 10:27:19 PM
While your at it, post where he opposed the civil rights movement.
Where are you finding this nonsense?
Everywhere. Even on this knackered laptop.
It's not nonsense just because you don't know it MD.
I'm done now. It's all in the link above ,MLK stuff and all.
But I find this rather tawdry. Racists don't deserve to be shot and it's not my fault you don't know what the bloke has said. He did promote division but he didn't deserve death as a punishment.
Anonymous said
Sep 11 11:17 PM, 2025
I am finding it very interesting how some (not all) are beginning to work themselves into the thinking that killing Charlie Kirk and those like him might be a good thing on balance after all.
Does anyone remember the following:
"On June 18, 2016, at a rally for Donald Trump's 2016 United States presidential campaign in Paradise, Nevada, Michael Sandford, a 20-year-old British citizen, attempted to grab the service pistol of a Las Vegas Metropolitan Police officer providing security for the event. Having failed to do so and having been arrested, Sandford claimed that he had wished to kill Trump to prevent him from being elected U.S. president."
Trump will be visiting the UK on a State Visit soon. I am sure there will be a long line of Brits trying to prepare Trump something special.
With such thinking one has to wonder who really are the authoritarians / fascists. George Orwell said in future there will be a lot of double speak and the inversion of truth.
Anonymous said
Sep 11 11:22 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
On his visit to the UK he said this....
In his three-day visit to the UK in May, he clashed with students at the Cambridge Union debating society, arguing that “lockdowns were unnecessary”, “life begins at conception”, and the US Civil Rights Act was a “mistake”.
Kirk made the same points in Oxford, also alleging immigrants were “importing insidious values into the west” and that police violence against Black people was a result of a “disproportionate crime problem” in the Black community.
He told the rightwing GB News that the UK was a “husk” of its former self and needed to “get its mojo back”. The perception among US conservatives, he said, was that “this is increasingly a conquered country … We love this country from afar, and we’re really sad about what’s happening to it, and what has happened to it”.
On his first show after returning to the US, Kirk described the UK as a “totalitarian third world hellhole”, adding: “It’s tragic. I don’t say that with glib, I don’t say that with delight. It is sad. It’s chilling and it’s depressing.”
He claimed he had seen a cafe in which “every single table was taken by a Mohammedan and a fully burqa-wearing woman – not a single native Brit” and that people were being arrested for online posts that displayed no apparent harmful intent.
“They invented free speech,” he said. “Now there’s so much wrong with that country and it is not worthy of making fun of. I mean, you can have some laughs and some comedy, but it is depressing. It is dark.”
I’d never heard of the bloke until his murder tbh so I’ve no opinion on his views/beliefs… however, I agree with his views above re immigrant values and free speech. As a native Brit I’m also sad what has and is happening to this country.
Going by the online support he’s receiving he seemed much loved and valued. Heartbreaking for his loved ones. RIP.
Fluffy said
Sep 11 11:34 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
I am finding it very interesting how some (not all) are beginning to work themselves into the thinking that killing Charlie Kirk and those like him might be a good thing on balance after all.
Does anyone remember the following:
"On June 18, 2016, at a rally for Donald Trump's 2016 United States presidential campaign in Paradise, Nevada, Michael Sandford, a 20-year-old British citizen, attempted to grab the service pistol of a Las Vegas Metropolitan Police officer providing security for the event. Having failed to do so and having been arrested, Sandford claimed that he had wished to kill Trump to prevent him from being elected U.S. president."
Trump will be visiting the UK on a State Visit soon. I am sure there will be a long line of Brits trying to prepare Trump something special.
With such thinking one has to wonder who really are the authoritarians / fascists. George Orwell said in future there will be a lot of double speak and the inversion of truth.
I am also really worried about the state visit Anon. The States have gone mad politically , they are not merely a right wing administration and seem to have lost sight of that. They are going too far.
We have embraced a more right mentality here due to a combination of media gaslighting and those who are genuinely worried about immigration. But we are thankfully a long way from the rhetoric of Kirk and Trump who clearly agrees with his sentiments. I will amazed if there isn't protests occurring when he arrives at best and well, someone attempting something far more sinister.
The world is in a mess. People, including Trump, claim "lefties" are saying all this damaging rhetoric but it seems transparent to me that the right , especially in America, are saying far more disturbing crass and often plain stupid things.
Trump seems to seek division and knows he has all the power, especially in comparison to us..Starmer must be dreading the state visit. The security will be off the charts.
Anonymous said
Sep 11 11:39 PM, 2025
I had this thought: I would have liked to read Holly's view on this matter. I think that was her name and I am sure she joined this site during the decline of that other site. There were three female mods I seem to remember : one was very nice but had to give up her internet access to save on costs, then there was Holly and all her comments I read from her I generally agreed with, and she received quite a bit of abuse from at least two people on that other site for her views, and then there was Hobbit (I think) - I have to admit I didn't get on with that one - she always seemed to misread comments and make the worst interpretation of it. Anyway I am sure it was Holly's comments that I appreciated reading and if she is still around then I hope she posts her thoughts. I think she was from Australia or maybe Austria or maybe I am mixing people up.
Maddog said
Sep 11 11:41 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
trump is predictably making political haystacks out of this terrible event (wait for the spectacle of the made-for-tv funeral), and Republicans are proceeding with their maudlin near-canonisation of Charlie Kirk.
But I can’t help recalling how one of Kirk’s besties, trump’s failson, celebrated the deranged attack on Nancy Pelosi’s 80-year old husband, whose head was battered to a pulp with a hammer in the dead of night.
Then there’s a Republican US Senator, ripping the piss out of a murderous attack on a Democratic state representative in Minnesota, whose husband and dog were fatally shot too. trump didn’t even bother reaching out to Minnesota’s Governor, Tim Walz to convey condolence (“a waste of time”).
-- Edited by Vam on Thursday 11th of September 2025 05:35:01 PM
Yup, and making it a right .v. left thing is exactly the oppositeof what America needs right now.
I honestly think a lot of people spend way too much time online, which warps their moral compass and impedes them from thinking clearly. As I said before the likely social issue at play here is online radicalisation which affects both the left and right. We will know more as the facts emerge but that is the most likely scenario.
QFT. The President clearly himself spends too much time online since he has already condemned the killer as a "radically left" individual when the police have no idea who committed this abhorrent act and were asking the public for assistance.
Trump has also said that it's due to the radical left discourse that political violence is on the rise. It has to be said that the right seem to be pretty outspoken and radical themselves, especially Trump's administration. Kirk 's insistence that black women don't have the "brain power" to be in good jobs (including Michelle Obama) that "should be occupied by white men" staggered me. These are direct quotes from the man himself aired on LBC and taken from his show.
I didn't know much about the deceased prior to yesterday and I do feel sorry for his family but his politics go beyond just right wing I would say. If he was prepared to say such controversial things in public forums I'm surprised he didn't have far more security.
If Trump uses his friend's death as a reason to attack his political opponents and the public who vote democrat then I fear for the trajectory that will likely soon occur not just in the States but the knock on effect it may have here too. The man is an agent of chaos and division.
He had typical Right Wing Christian views.
What do you think they believe?
No he didn't.
Saying black women are less intelligent than white men is going beyond "christian views" . So is objecting to the Civil Rights movement!
I'm talking about Kirk here btw.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 11th of September 2025 10:27:19 PM
While your at it, post where he opposed the civil rights movement.
Where are you finding this nonsense?
Everywhere. Even on this knackered laptop.
It's not nonsense just because you don't know it MD.
I'm done now. It's all in the link above ,MLK stuff and all.
But I find this rather tawdry. Racists don't deserve to be shot and it's not my fault you don't know what the bloke has said. He did promote division but he didn't deserve death as a punishment.
OK, I did some digging around so let's get some context here without the cherry picked he said this , that and the other.
I'm done now. It's all in the link above ,MLK stuff and all.
But I find this rather tawdry. Racists don't deserve to be shot and it's not my fault you don't know what the bloke has said. He did promote division but he didn't deserve death as a punishment.
Wrong again.
He didn't belive in affirmative action when selecting pilots.
Do you?.
Does anyone with a lick of sense..
Vam said
Sep 11 11:46 PM, 2025
This effing blockhead… How TF can gaslighting mouth breathers like this get elected to serve in the US Congress?
In his three-day visit to the UK in May, he clashed with students at the Cambridge Union debating society, arguing that “lockdowns were unnecessary”, “life begins at conception”, and the US Civil Rights Act was a “mistake”.
Kirk made the same points in Oxford, also alleging immigrants were “importing insidious values into the west” and that police violence against Black people was a result of a “disproportionate crime problem” in the Black community.
He told the rightwing GB News that the UK was a “husk” of its former self and needed to “get its mojo back”. The perception among US conservatives, he said, was that “this is increasingly a conquered country … We love this country from afar, and we’re really sad about what’s happening to it, and what has happened to it”.
On his first show after returning to the US, Kirk described the UK as a “totalitarian third world hellhole”, adding: “It’s tragic. I don’t say that with glib, I don’t say that with delight. It is sad. It’s chilling and it’s depressing.”
He claimed he had seen a cafe in which “every single table was taken by a Mohammedan and a fully burqa-wearing woman – not a single native Brit” and that people were being arrested for online posts that displayed no apparent harmful intent.
“They invented free speech,” he said. “Now there’s so much wrong with that country and it is not worthy of making fun of. I mean, you can have some laughs and some comedy, but it is depressing. It is dark.”
Sounds like the broken Britain thread..
I get it. It's one thing for y'all to bash your country, but you bristle a little when we do it. (even when we are all saying roughly the same thing)..
Maddog said
Sep 11 11:48 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
This effing blockhead… How TF can gaslighting mouth breathers like this get elected to serve in the US Congress?
But yes, tell us more about embracing “the evil, the false and the ugly” 👇🏻
He needs to shut up too.
Seriously, Dawg 🤷🏻♀️ You have a population of circa 340 million. Is this motley bunch of MAGAt halfwits really the best the American electorate can come up with to represent them?
Maddog said
Sep 12 12:03 AM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
This effing blockhead… How TF can gaslighting mouth breathers like this get elected to serve in the US Congress?
But yes, tell us more about embracing “the evil, the false and the ugly” 👇🏻
He needs to shut up too.
Seriously, Dawg 🤷🏻♀️ You have a population of circa 340 million. Is this motley bunch of MAGAt halfwits really the best the American electorate can come up with to represent them?
Seriously we have about 430 halfwits in the House alone.
With a 95% reelection rate..
Anonymous said
Sep 12 12:07 AM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Seriously, Dawg 🤷🏻♀️ You have a population of circa 340 million. Is this motley bunch of MAGAt halfwits really the best the American electorate can come up with to represent them?
It is called Democracy. Are you proposing ending Democracy because the result was not what you consider to be acceptable? It is a small step from imagining half the American electorate as halfwits and maggots to creating something similar to the early 1940s in certain parts of Europe. Maybe history repeats itself but not in a form that those pushing for change recognise but it is staring at them in the mirror.
I'm done now. It's all in the link above ,MLK stuff and all.
But I find this rather tawdry. Racists don't deserve to be shot and it's not my fault you don't know what the bloke has said. He did promote division but he didn't deserve death as a punishment.
Wrong again.
He didn't belive in affirmative action when selecting pilots.
Do you?.
Does anyone with a lick of sense..
I'm sure most of us would prefer the pilot of a plane or any other professional to be chosen for the job because of skills not because of their ethnicity or gender.
Digger said
Sep 12 12:12 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
On his visit to the UK he said this....
In his three-day visit to the UK in May, he clashed with students at the Cambridge Union debating society, arguing that “lockdowns were unnecessary”, “life begins at conception”, and the US Civil Rights Act was a “mistake”.
Kirk made the same points in Oxford, also alleging immigrants were “importing insidious values into the west” and that police violence against Black people was a result of a “disproportionate crime problem” in the Black community.
He told the rightwing GB News that the UK was a “husk” of its former self and needed to “get its mojo back”. The perception among US conservatives, he said, was that “this is increasingly a conquered country … We love this country from afar, and we’re really sad about what’s happening to it, and what has happened to it”.
On his first show after returning to the US, Kirk described the UK as a “totalitarian third world hellhole”, adding: “It’s tragic. I don’t say that with glib, I don’t say that with delight. It is sad. It’s chilling and it’s depressing.”
He claimed he had seen a cafe in which “every single table was taken by a Mohammedan and a fully burqa-wearing woman – not a single native Brit” and that people were being arrested for online posts that displayed no apparent harmful intent.
“They invented free speech,” he said. “Now there’s so much wrong with that country and it is not worthy of making fun of. I mean, you can have some laughs and some comedy, but it is depressing. It is dark.”
Sounds like the broken Britain thread..
I get it. It's one thing for y'all to bash your country, but you bristle a little when we do it. (even when we are all saying roughly the same thing)..
I'm done now. It's all in the link above ,MLK stuff and all.
But I find this rather tawdry. Racists don't deserve to be shot and it's not my fault you don't know what the bloke has said. He did promote division but he didn't deserve death as a punishment.
Wrong again.
He didn't belive in affirmative action when selecting pilots.
Do you?.
Does anyone with a lick of sense..
I'm sure most of us would prefer the pilot of a plane or any other professional to be chosen for the job because of skills not because of their ethnicity or gender.
Unfortunately, not everyone though.
Maddog said
Sep 12 12:17 AM, 2025
While you have the right to wear a Klansman robe at George Floyd memorial, I wouldn't advise it.
I'm done now. It's all in the link above ,MLK stuff and all.
But I find this rather tawdry. Racists don't deserve to be shot and it's not my fault you don't know what the bloke has said. He did promote division but he didn't deserve death as a punishment.
OK, I did some digging around so let's get some context here without the cherry picked he said this , that and the other.
He made sense to me.
Who the hell wants an op carried out by a surgeon who mainly got the job because of his/her skin colour, give me the most qualified to do the job best.
Everywhere. Even on this knackered laptop.
It's not nonsense just because you don't know it MD.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/charlie-kirk-says-michelle-obama-among-black-women-who-steal-a-white-persons-slot_n_64b19633e4b0ad7b75f2de01
He didn't trust black pilots either.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexalisitza/viral-charlie-kirk-quotes
I'm done now. It's all in the link above ,MLK stuff and all.
But I find this rather tawdry. Racists don't deserve to be shot and it's not my fault you don't know what the bloke has said. He did promote division but he didn't deserve death as a punishment.
I am finding it very interesting how some (not all) are beginning to work themselves into the thinking that killing Charlie Kirk and those like him might be a good thing on balance after all.
Does anyone remember the following:
"On June 18, 2016, at a rally for Donald Trump's 2016 United States presidential campaign in Paradise, Nevada, Michael Sandford, a 20-year-old British citizen, attempted to grab the service pistol of a Las Vegas Metropolitan Police officer providing security for the event. Having failed to do so and having been arrested, Sandford claimed that he had wished to kill Trump to prevent him from being elected U.S. president."
Trump will be visiting the UK on a State Visit soon. I am sure there will be a long line of Brits trying to prepare Trump something special.
With such thinking one has to wonder who really are the authoritarians / fascists. George Orwell said in future there will be a lot of double speak and the inversion of truth.
I’d never heard of the bloke until his murder tbh so I’ve no opinion on his views/beliefs… however, I agree with his views above re immigrant values and free speech. As a native Brit I’m also sad what has and is happening to this country.
Going by the online support he’s receiving he seemed much loved and valued. Heartbreaking for his loved ones. RIP.
I am also really worried about the state visit Anon. The States have gone mad politically , they are not merely a right wing administration and seem to have lost sight of that. They are going too far.
We have embraced a more right mentality here due to a combination of media gaslighting and those who are genuinely worried about immigration. But we are thankfully a long way from the rhetoric of Kirk and Trump who clearly agrees with his sentiments. I will amazed if there isn't protests occurring when he arrives at best and well, someone attempting something far more sinister.
The world is in a mess. People, including Trump, claim "lefties" are saying all this damaging rhetoric but it seems transparent to me that the right , especially in America, are saying far more disturbing crass and often plain stupid things.
Trump seems to seek division and knows he has all the power, especially in comparison to us..Starmer must be dreading the state visit. The security will be off the charts.
I had this thought: I would have liked to read Holly's view on this matter. I think that was her name and I am sure she joined this site during the decline of that other site. There were three female mods I seem to remember : one was very nice but had to give up her internet access to save on costs, then there was Holly and all her comments I read from her I generally agreed with, and she received quite a bit of abuse from at least two people on that other site for her views, and then there was Hobbit (I think) - I have to admit I didn't get on with that one - she always seemed to misread comments and make the worst interpretation of it. Anyway I am sure it was Holly's comments that I appreciated reading and if she is still around then I hope she posts her thoughts. I think she was from Australia or maybe Austria or maybe I am mixing people up.
That states he's against affirmative action which judges certain minorities differently.
I'm against affirmative action too, because its racist.
That is a far cry from saying black women are less intelligent..
OK, I did some digging around so let's get some context here without the cherry picked he said this , that and the other.
Wrong again.
He didn't belive in affirmative action when selecting pilots.
Do you?.
Does anyone with a lick of sense..
This effing blockhead…
How TF can gaslighting mouth breathers like this get elected to serve in the US Congress?
https://x.com/acyn/status/1966169617162002732?s=61
But yes, tell us more about embracing “the evil, the false and the ugly” 👇🏻
Sounds like the broken Britain thread..
I get it. It's one thing for y'all to bash your country, but you bristle a little when we do it. (even when we are all saying roughly the same thing)..
He needs to shut up too.
Seriously, Dawg 🤷🏻♀️ You have a population of circa 340 million. Is this motley bunch of MAGAt halfwits really the best the American electorate can come up with to represent them?
Seriously we have about 430 halfwits in the House alone.
With a 95% reelection rate..
It is called Democracy. Are you proposing ending Democracy because the result was not what you consider to be acceptable? It is a small step from imagining half the American electorate as halfwits and maggots to creating something similar to the early 1940s in certain parts of Europe. Maybe history repeats itself but not in a form that those pushing for change recognise but it is staring at them in the mirror.
I'm sure most of us would prefer the pilot of a plane or any other professional to be chosen for the job because of skills not because of their ethnicity or gender.
I'm not bristling. I think he's spot on.
Unfortunately, not everyone though.
Same as doing this..🤷
youtube.com/shorts/bgygXD_KfJs
He made sense to me.
Who the hell wants an op carried out by a surgeon who mainly got the job because of his/her skin colour, give me the most qualified to do the job best.
Look at the stink a few years back re women training for the Royal Marines - many feared standards would be lowered to accommodate them. “To date, there is no confirmation that any female recruit has passed the 32-week course, which is considered to be one of the toughest military basic training courses anywhere in the world.” https://www.forcesnews.com/services/royal-marines/royal-marines-commando-course-standards-still-high-ever-insists-carns
That’s how it should be. All this DEI guff is a load of boll0x imo.