Is there any kind of concern in the US about what things like this does to its global reputation or are people saying the ends justify the means?
For as long as I can remember the US and the USD have been the strongest brand - you could always bet on the land of the free to be a stable democracy and a safe place to invest. That reputation is getting more and more tarnished over time which cannot be a good thing, for the US at least.
Syl said
Apr 14 8:00 PM, 2025
Trump is now saying Zelensky started the war between the Ukraine and Russia.
Most countries now warning or have already warned their citizens not to travel to the U.S unless absolutely necessary. www.google.com/search
This is what he meant about making America great again?
What a sad state of affairs.
Maddog said
Apr 14 8:25 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Wait 5 minutes..
These folks change their minds pretty quickly..
Is there any kind of concern in the US about what things like this does to its global reputation or are people saying the ends justify the means?
For as long as I can remember the US and the USD have been the strongest brand - you could always bet on the land of the free to be a stable democracy and a safe place to invest. That reputation is getting more and more tarnished over time which cannot be a good thing, for the US at least.
40 percent think he does no wrong. 40 percent think he's crazy.
These two groups spend their lives insulting each other..
So yeah, a sizeable percentage is worried about what he's doing and how it impacts our global standing.
Let's not forget we didn't elect an unknown person (nor was his main opponent). He's sorta acting like he said he would.
As for investing in the US, people still invest in China. Admittedly, I'd rather not be considered a country like China though..
Maddog said
Apr 14 8:28 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Trump is now saying Zelensky started the war between the Ukraine and Russia.
"Let's say Putin number one, let's say Biden, who had no idea what the hell he was doing, number two, and Zelenskyy."
jackb said
Apr 14 8:53 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Wait 5 minutes..
These folks change their minds pretty quickly..
Is there any kind of concern in the US about what things like this does to its global reputation or are people saying the ends justify the means?
For as long as I can remember the US and the USD have been the strongest brand - you could always bet on the land of the free to be a stable democracy and a safe place to invest. That reputation is getting more and more tarnished over time which cannot be a good thing, for the US at least.
Let's not forget we didn't elect an unknown person He's sorta acting like he said he would.
And you still voted for him!
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jackb said
Apr 14 8:54 PM, 2025
jackb wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Wait 5 minutes..
These folks change their minds pretty quickly..
Is there any kind of concern in the US about what things like this does to its global reputation or are people saying the ends justify the means?
For as long as I can remember the US and the USD have been the strongest brand - you could always bet on the land of the free to be a stable democracy and a safe place to invest. That reputation is getting more and more tarnished over time which cannot be a good thing, for the US at least.
Let's not forget we didn't elect an unknown person He's sorta acting like he said he would.
And you still voted for him!
Vam said
Apr 14 9:16 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Trump is now saying Zelensky started the war between the Ukraine and Russia.
-- Edited by Vam on Monday 14th of April 2025 09:17:23 PM
-- Edited by Vam on Monday 14th of April 2025 09:20:40 PM
Maddog said
Apr 14 10:37 PM, 2025
jackb wrote:
jackb wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Wait 5 minutes..
These folks change their minds pretty quickly..
Is there any kind of concern in the US about what things like this does to its global reputation or are people saying the ends justify the means?
For as long as I can remember the US and the USD have been the strongest brand - you could always bet on the land of the free to be a stable democracy and a safe place to invest. That reputation is getting more and more tarnished over time which cannot be a good thing, for the US at least.
Let's not forget we didn't elect an unknown person He's sorta acting like he said he would.
And you still voted for him!
I didn't vote for him.
Last time I voted for someone that won was 2004..
Maddog said
Apr 14 10:45 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Trump is now saying Zelensky started the war between the Ukraine and Russia.
"Let's say Putin number one, let's say Biden, who had no idea what the hell he was doing, number two, and Zelenskyy."
Have you watched the video, he was referring to Zelensky and said...
"He's always looking to purchase missiles. Listen, when you start a war, you gotta know you can win a war. You don't start a war against somebody that's 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles."
Maddog said
Apr 15 12:48 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Trump is now saying Zelensky started the war between the Ukraine and Russia.
"Let's say Putin number one, let's say Biden, who had no idea what the hell he was doing, number two, and Zelenskyy."
Have you watched the video, he was referring to Zelensky and said...
"He's always looking to purchase missiles. Listen, when you start a war, you gotta know you can win a war. You don't start a war against somebody that's 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles."
Yes I heard that. And then he continued and eventually blamed Putin. You shouldn't cherry pick certain parts of a comment, especially his. He rambles.
I'm pretty sure what Trump meant is when you decide to fight, you should have a plan to win. I don't think that's fair to Zelinskyy at all. I guess Trump expected him to surrender..🤷
He's probably not a fan of the folks in the Alamo either. They really didn't have a good plan either..
Syl said
Apr 15 12:58 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Trump is now saying Zelensky started the war between the Ukraine and Russia.
"Let's say Putin number one, let's say Biden, who had no idea what the hell he was doing, number two, and Zelenskyy."
Have you watched the video, he was referring to Zelensky and said...
"He's always looking to purchase missiles. Listen, when you start a war, you gotta know you can win a war. You don't start a war against somebody that's 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles."
Yes I heard that. And then he continued and eventually blamed Putin. You shouldn't cherry pick certain parts of a comment, especially his. He rambles.
I'm pretty sure what Trump meant is when you decide to fight, you should have a plan to win. I don't think that's fair to Zelinskyy at all. I guess Trump expected him to surrender..🤷
He's probably not a fan of the folks in the Alamo either. They really didn't have a good plan either..
Maddog, it's you who cherry picks what Trump says....and that's only after you eventually admit he has said it in the first place.
jackb said
Apr 15 1:46 AM, 2025
Trump BEGS China To Call Him To Negotiate Tariffs
Maddog said
Apr 15 3:01 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Trump is now saying Zelensky started the war between the Ukraine and Russia.
"Let's say Putin number one, let's say Biden, who had no idea what the hell he was doing, number two, and Zelenskyy."
Have you watched the video, he was referring to Zelensky and said...
"He's always looking to purchase missiles. Listen, when you start a war, you gotta know you can win a war. You don't start a war against somebody that's 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles."
Yes I heard that. And then he continued and eventually blamed Putin. You shouldn't cherry pick certain parts of a comment, especially his. He rambles.
I'm pretty sure what Trump meant is when you decide to fight, you should have a plan to win. I don't think that's fair to Zelinskyy at all. I guess Trump expected him to surrender..🤷
He's probably not a fan of the folks in the Alamo either. They really didn't have a good plan either..
Maddog, it's you who cherry picks what Trump says....and that's only after you eventually admit he has said it in the first place.
I admitted he said everything in that long rambling answer. But in the end, when he summarized his thoughts he was pretty clear.
"Let's say Putin number one, let's say Biden, who had no idea what the hell he was doing, number two, and Zelenskyy."
Now, I don't think Biden or Zelinsky should get any blame at all. I'm sure he thinks he could have prevented the war altogether. He's made that claim before too.
Maddog said
Apr 15 3:02 AM, 2025
jackb wrote:
Trump BEGS China To Call Him To Negotiate Tariffs
Who is the "Ring of Fire"?
Maddog said
Apr 15 3:08 AM, 2025
Ring of Fire is a progressive syndicated American talk radio program hosted by Mike Papantonio, Sam Seder and Farron Cousins. The three hosts focus on: "exposing Wall Street thugs, environmental criminality, corporate media failure and political backstories rarely found in the mainstream media". The show has been on the air since 2004 and is currently aired on 43 radio stations across the United States.
Never mind, I googled them.
Maddog said
Apr 15 3:13 AM, 2025
This clarifies it more. He thinks he could have prevented it and Biden and Zelinsky were too stupid to stop it. Or at least Putin didn't respect them.
Is there any kind of concern in the US about what things like this does to its global reputation or are people saying the ends justify the means?
For as long as I can remember the US and the USD have been the strongest brand - you could always bet on the land of the free to be a stable democracy and a safe place to invest. That reputation is getting more and more tarnished over time which cannot be a good thing, for the US at least.
news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-trump-accuses-zelenskyy-of-allowing-war-to-start-after-kremlin-tries-to-defend-missile-strike-that-killed-34-12541713
www.google.com/search
This is what he meant about making America great again?
What a sad state of affairs.
40 percent think he does no wrong. 40 percent think he's crazy.
These two groups spend their lives insulting each other..
So yeah, a sizeable percentage is worried about what he's doing and how it impacts our global standing.
Let's not forget we didn't elect an unknown person (nor was his main opponent). He's sorta acting like he said he would.
As for investing in the US, people still invest in China. Admittedly, I'd rather not be considered a country like China though..
That's not exactly what he said.....
"Let's say Putin number one, let's say Biden, who had no idea what the hell he was doing, number two, and Zelenskyy."
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…again. He’s said it several times, Syl.
A few hours ago (the first 20 seconds is all you need, then he starts randomly babbling as usual)….
In recent months …
https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-russia-trump-war-zelenskyy-putin-7fe8c0c80b4e93e3bc079c621a44e8bb#
”You shoulda never started it!”
-- Edited by Vam on Monday 14th of April 2025 09:17:23 PM
-- Edited by Vam on Monday 14th of April 2025 09:20:40 PM
I didn't vote for him.
Last time I voted for someone that won was 2004..
Again, he blamed 3 people if you keep listening past 20 seconds..🙄
Putin #1..
I guess he thinks Zelenskyy should have offered Putin land in exchange for peace vs fighting a war he cant win.
I cant think of any real leader that would have done that..Didn't the Czechs try that with Hitler and the Sudetenland? 🤷
-- Edited by Maddog on Monday 14th of April 2025 10:46:10 PM
Have you watched the video, he was referring to Zelensky and said...
"He's always looking to purchase missiles. Listen, when you start a war, you gotta know you can win a war. You don't start a war against somebody that's 20 times your size and then hope that people give you some missiles."
Yes I heard that. And then he continued and eventually blamed Putin. You shouldn't cherry pick certain parts of a comment, especially his. He rambles.
I'm pretty sure what Trump meant is when you decide to fight, you should have a plan to win. I don't think that's fair to Zelinskyy at all. I guess Trump expected him to surrender..🤷
He's probably not a fan of the folks in the Alamo either. They really didn't have a good plan either..
Maddog, it's you who cherry picks what Trump says....and that's only after you eventually admit he has said it in the first place.
Trump BEGS China To Call Him To Negotiate Tariffs
I admitted he said everything in that long rambling answer. But in the end, when he summarized his thoughts he was pretty clear.
"Let's say Putin number one, let's say Biden, who had no idea what the hell he was doing, number two, and Zelenskyy."
Now, I don't think Biden or Zelinsky should get any blame at all. I'm sure he thinks he could have prevented the war altogether. He's made that claim before too.
Who is the "Ring of Fire"?
Never mind, I googled them.
This clarifies it more. He thinks he could have prevented it and Biden and Zelinsky were too stupid to stop it. Or at least Putin didn't respect them.
I'm not defending anything..
This war is 100 percent Putin's fault..
Trump says some dumb shit in regardsto it. No need to take it out of context..