He's so right, we would feel just.like that if it was one of our own children.
Bless this man.
Syl said
Sep 30 12:28 AM, 2025
He is doing the only thing he can now, making so much noise people will hear him.
Poor man, I felt his sorrow, anger and frustration, I doubt anything will change though.
Vam said
Sep 30 8:12 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
This is an unhappy father.
I can't blame him.
He‘s not playing - and who can blame him?
That motley bunch of feckless do-nothing officials at that table deserved it all. Especially that repugnant little bantam who’s chairing the meeting, Jeff Van Drew🤬
He opportunistically switched parties to stick his snout into the trump trough. Taxpayers have been bankrolling his 6-figure salary and his fancy suits and ties ever since - with zero return for their money.
Digger said
Oct 1 3:32 PM, 2025
I hope these filthy pigs never get parole
An Asian grooming gang in Rochdale led by a market stallholder dubbed 'Boss Man' have been jailed for 174 years in total after two white schoolgirls were raped as they were used as 'sex slaves' from the age of 13.
Mohammed Zahid, 65, gave free underwear from his lingerie stall at Rochdale Indoor Market to both teenagers, along with money, alcohol and food, in return for the expectation of regular sex with him and his friends.
The father-of-three, now jailed for 35 years, was one of seven Asian men convicted in June by a jury at Manchester Minshull Street Court of committing various sexual offences against the girls between 2001 and 2006.
They were the first Asian grooming gang to be brought to justice since Labour faced accusations of a cover-up for resisting calls for a public inquiry into how a generation of girls were betrayed by police and social services.
Both girls were treated as 'sex slaves', said prosecutors, 'amid deeply troubled home lives' as they were given drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, places to stay and people to be with.
Soon after, they were expected to have sex 'whenever and wherever' the defendants and other men wanted, in filthy flats, on rancid mattresses, in cars, car parks, alleyways and disused warehouses.
The trial also heard how one girl - at the time living in a children's home - was scandalously dismissed by social workers as having been 'prostituting' herself from the age of ten.
Girl A told the jury she could have been targeted by more than 200 offenders as her phone number was swapped in the town but said 'there was that many it was hard to keep count'.
Fluffy said
Oct 1 4:06 PM, 2025
A video below is, a Sky News report from today where a police officer who deals with violence against women expresses concern that there is so much focus on immigrants being blamed for harm against women and girls.
She reminds viewers that the VASTMAJORITY of female victims know their victim, they are domestic cases and she states "that is where the threat is" Just some facts to balance the perception of this thread .
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 04:11:50 PM
Magica said
Oct 1 4:17 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
I hope these filthy pigs never get parole
An Asian grooming gang in Rochdale led by a market stallholder dubbed 'Boss Man' have been jailed for 174 years in total after two white schoolgirls were raped as they were used as 'sex slaves' from the age of 13.
Mohammed Zahid, 65, gave free underwear from his lingerie stall at Rochdale Indoor Market to both teenagers, along with money, alcohol and food, in return for the expectation of regular sex with him and his friends.
The father-of-three, now jailed for 35 years, was one of seven Asian men convicted in June by a jury at Manchester Minshull Street Court of committing various sexual offences against the girls between 2001 and 2006.
They were the first Asian grooming gang to be brought to justice since Labour faced accusations of a cover-up for resisting calls for a public inquiry into how a generation of girls were betrayed by police and social services.
Both girls were treated as 'sex slaves', said prosecutors, 'amid deeply troubled home lives' as they were given drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, places to stay and people to be with.
Soon after, they were expected to have sex 'whenever and wherever' the defendants and other men wanted, in filthy flats, on rancid mattresses, in cars, car parks, alleyways and disused warehouses.
The trial also heard how one girl - at the time living in a children's home - was scandalously dismissed by social workers as having been 'prostituting' herself from the age of ten.
Girl A told the jury she could have been targeted by more than 200 offenders as her phone number was swapped in the town but said 'there was that many it was hard to keep count'.
I was just going to post this, you beat men to it Digs.
I hope they are deported after. Paedo dirty scum! Hope the prisoners give them the treatment only they can serve! 😠
Syl said
Oct 1 4:23 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
A video below is, a Sky News report from today where a police officer who deals with violence against women expresses concern that there is so much focus on immigrants being blamed for harm against women and girls.
She reminds viewers that the VASTMAJORITY of female victims know their victim, they are domestic cases and she states "that is where the threat is" Just some facts to balance the perception of this thread .
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 04:11:50 PM
Sexual abuse and domestic abuse are two different categories.
The grooming gangs are not classed as domestic abusers, it's all about power, hatred, and sexual gratification. And yes, the vast majority of female victims do know their perpetrators. The grooming gangs got to know their victims, this historic case based in Rochdale is typical of how they did, and still do, operate.
The 'young undocumented males' that Farage is talking about, though every case is horrific, is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the Asian grooming gangs.
Digger said
Oct 1 5:09 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
A video below is, a Sky News report from today where a police officer who deals with violence against women expresses concern that there is so much focus on immigrants being blamed for harm against women and girls.
She reminds viewers that the VASTMAJORITY of female victims know their victim, they are domestic cases and she states "that is where the threat is" Just some facts to balance the perception of this thread .
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 04:11:50 PM
Sexual abuse and domestic abuse are two different categories.
The grooming gangs are not classed as domestic abusers, it's all about power, hatred, and sexual gratification. And yes, the vast majority of female victims do know their perpetrators. The grooming gangs got to know their victims, this historic case based in Rochdale is typical of how they did, and still do, operate.
The 'young undocumented males' that Farage is talking about, though every case is horrific, is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the Asian grooming gangs.
Indeed. And many of those pakistani monsters are not immigrants. This has been going on since the 1980s and continues.
Syl said
Oct 1 6:09 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
A video below is, a Sky News report from today where a police officer who deals with violence against women expresses concern that there is so much focus on immigrants being blamed for harm against women and girls.
She reminds viewers that the VASTMAJORITY of female victims know their victim, they are domestic cases and she states "that is where the threat is" Just some facts to balance the perception of this thread .
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 04:11:50 PM
Sexual abuse and domestic abuse are two different categories.
The grooming gangs are not classed as domestic abusers, it's all about power, hatred, and sexual gratification. And yes, the vast majority of female victims do know their perpetrators. The grooming gangs got to know their victims, this historic case based in Rochdale is typical of how they did, and still do, operate.
The 'young undocumented males' that Farage is talking about, though every case is horrific, is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the Asian grooming gangs.
Indeed. And many of those pakistani monsters are not immigrants. This has been going on since the 1980s and continues.
That's right...for every dirty old bastard like the ones who have just been sentenced, there are hundreds of younger bred and born here (mostly)Pakistani Muslims who have used and abused these young girls. A minority have been charged and jailed so far.
Fluffy said
Oct 1 9:50 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
A video below is, a Sky News report from today where a police officer who deals with violence against women expresses concern that there is so much focus on immigrants being blamed for harm against women and girls.
She reminds viewers that the VASTMAJORITY of female victims know their victim, they are domestic cases and she states "that is where the threat is" Just some facts to balance the perception of this thread .
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 04:11:50 PM
Sexual abuse and domestic abuse are two different categories.
The grooming gangs are not classed as domestic abusers, it's all about power, hatred, and sexual gratification. And yes, the vast majority of female victims do know their perpetrators. The grooming gangs got to know their victims, this historic case based in Rochdale is typical of how they did, and still do, operate.
The 'young undocumented males' that Farage is talking about, though every case is horrific, is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the Asian grooming gangs.
No disrespect Syl, but how? A step father sexually abusing their daughter or r*ping their wife is just as abhorrent as foreign men grooming..And when the police say the victim knew their abuser they mean it's a family member like father or uncle, not an opportunist who gets to know their victim within varying lengths of time in order to groom.
If you watch the video (it's only 3 minutes) the policewoman whose job it is to monitor this, states clearly the MAJORITY of sexual crimes are committed by people known to the victim i.e a family member or a friend.. This is explained in the video. She is just concerned that all the emphasis on foreign crimes (which are equally heart breaking no doubt,) is skewing the public 's perception. Other teenagers are more likely to SA a girl than grooming gangs they are third and family members first.
It's the first time other children or teenagers have overtaken grooming gangs or lone predators when.It comes to the SA of minors...the Manosphere has a lot to do with that. That's what the drama Adolescence was trying to raise awareness about. I saw that in another Sky report and will be happy to find the video or report, it may just take a few days!
I didn't post this video to.undermine the crimes committed by immigrants. There is no doubt Muslim men view western women and girls as less than and these despicable attitudes cause.the awful crimes that follow. But not all Muslim or Islam men are like this and being British doesn't mean a man is any less likely to be sexually abusive. So many abuses within in the family goes unreported also.
I just wanted to provide the accurate stats to put things in perspective.
Anonymous said
Oct 1 10:24 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
A video below is, a Sky News report from today where a police officer who deals with violence against women expresses concern that there is so much focus on immigrants being blamed for harm against women and girls.
She reminds viewers that the VASTMAJORITY of female victims know their victim, they are domestic cases and she states "that is where the threat is" Just some facts to balance the perception of this thread .
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 04:11:50 PM
Sexual abuse and domestic abuse are two different categories.
The grooming gangs are not classed as domestic abusers, it's all about power, hatred, and sexual gratification. And yes, the vast majority of female victims do know their perpetrators. The grooming gangs got to know their victims, this historic case based in Rochdale is typical of how they did, and still do, operate.
The 'young undocumented males' that Farage is talking about, though every case is horrific, is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the Asian grooming gangs.
Indeed. And many of those pakistani monsters are not immigrants. This has been going on since the 1980s and continues.
Exactly.
The timing of this video makes me a tad cynical. Why muddy the waters between sexual abuse, domestic abuse and protests?…the protestors were demonstrating their anxiety of females being raped by unvetted illegals loose in their communities, I didn’t see any banners re domestic abuse.
Fluffy said
Oct 1 11:45 PM, 2025
I'm sorry the facts don't fit your narrative Anon. Everyone is cynical about videos providing proof they don't appreciate today. The overwhelming majority of suspects in SA against minors is white men.
Why do the facts offend you? All SA on children is abhorrent, the colour of the men is the last thing to think about it. Improving children safety is what should be thought about.
Overview of Grooming Gangs
Grooming gangs in the UK have been a significant issue, particularly in the context of child sexual exploitation. The ethnic backgrounds of perpetrators have been a focal point in discussions about these gangs.
Ethnicity of Grooming Gang Members
Key Findings
Diverse Ethnic Backgrounds: While some high-profile cases have involved British-Pakistani men, the data shows that grooming gang members come from various ethnic backgrounds.
Statistical Representation: Recent reports indicate that approximately 85% of suspects in group-based child sexual abuse are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black. This suggests that the majority of offenders are not Asian.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 11:47:18 PM
Fluffy said
Oct 2 12:03 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
A video below is, a Sky News report from today where a police officer who deals with violence against women expresses concern that there is so much focus on immigrants being blamed for harm against women and girls.
She reminds viewers that the VASTMAJORITY of female victims know their victim, they are domestic cases and she states "that is where the threat is" Just some facts to balance the perception of this thread .
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 04:11:50 PM
Sexual abuse and domestic abuse are two different categories.
The grooming gangs are not classed as domestic abusers, it's all about power, hatred, and sexual gratification. And yes, the vast majority of female victims do know their perpetrators. The grooming gangs got to know their victims, this historic case based in Rochdale is typical of how they did, and still do, operate.
The 'young undocumented males' that Farage is talking about, though every case is horrific, is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the Asian grooming gangs.
Indeed. And many of those pakistani monsters are not immigrants. This has been going on since the 1980s and continues.
Exactly.
The timing of this video makes me a tad cynical. Why muddy the waters between sexual abuse, domestic abuse and protests?…the protestors were demonstrating their anxiety of females being raped by unvetted illegals loose in their communities, I didn’t see any banners re domestic abuse.
Probably because the protestors were worried about keeping their "wimmin"" safe and the one infamous grooming gang was sentenced today . Immigrants are being accused of being the biggest danger to women and minors.
The policewoman was worried racist attitudes were in error and so she corrected them. White males commit the most sexual crimes against women and children both although if you doubted a policewoman telling the truth I doubt you will believe the statistics above.
Instead of trying to point score over petty details why does it matter what colour these sickening men are?? What's awful is that men of all ethnicities hurt children and women and couldn't care less. Women should be united in.the fight against all sexual predators, their colour is not as relevant as their crime!
Anonymous said
Oct 2 12:20 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
I'm sorry the facts don't fit your narrative Anon. Everyone is cynical about videos providing proof they don't appreciate today. The overwhelming majority of suspects in SA against minors is white men.
Why do the facts offend you? All SA on children is abhorrent, the colour of the men is the last thing to think about it. Improving children safety is what should be thought about.
Overview of Grooming Gangs
Grooming gangs in the UK have been a significant issue, particularly in the context of child sexual exploitation. The ethnic backgrounds of perpetrators have been a focal point in discussions about these gangs.
Ethnicity of Grooming Gang Members
Key Findings
Diverse Ethnic Backgrounds: While some high-profile cases have involved British-Pakistani men, the data shows that grooming gang members come from various ethnic backgrounds.
Statistical Representation: Recent reports indicate that approximately 85% of suspects in group-based child sexual abuse are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black. This suggests that the majority of offenders are not Asian.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 11:47:18 PM
Again proving you don’t read posts. God only knows what you’re rambling on about now.
Domestic abuse is different to sexual abuse - sexual abuse can and does come under the umbrella of domestic abuse. Grooming gangs has nothing to do with domestic abuse in this case ie protestors outside hotels so please quit with the “ethnicity” of groomers.
Anonymous said
Oct 2 12:24 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
A video below is, a Sky News report from today where a police officer who deals with violence against women expresses concern that there is so much focus on immigrants being blamed for harm against women and girls.
She reminds viewers that the VASTMAJORITY of female victims know their victim, they are domestic cases and she states "that is where the threat is" Just some facts to balance the perception of this thread .
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 04:11:50 PM
Sexual abuse and domestic abuse are two different categories.
The grooming gangs are not classed as domestic abusers, it's all about power, hatred, and sexual gratification. And yes, the vast majority of female victims do know their perpetrators. The grooming gangs got to know their victims, this historic case based in Rochdale is typical of how they did, and still do, operate.
The 'young undocumented males' that Farage is talking about, though every case is horrific, is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the Asian grooming gangs.
Indeed. And many of those pakistani monsters are not immigrants. This has been going on since the 1980s and continues.
Exactly.
The timing of this video makes me a tad cynical. Why muddy the waters between sexual abuse, domestic abuse and protests?…the protestors were demonstrating their anxiety of females being raped by unvetted illegals loose in their communities, I didn’t see any banners re domestic abuse.
Probably because the protestors were worried about keeping their "wimmin"" safe and the one infamous grooming gang was sentenced today . Immigrants are being accused of being the biggest danger to women and minors.
The policewoman was worried racist attitudes were in error and so she corrected them. White males commit the most sexual crimes against women and children both although if you doubted a policewoman telling the truth I doubt you will believe the statistics above.
Instead of trying to point score over petty details why does it matter what colour these sickening men are?? What's awful is that men of all ethnicities hurt children and women and couldn't care less. Women should be united in.the fight against all sexual predators, their colour is not as relevant as their crime!
Jesus wept.
Syl said
Oct 2 12:50 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Syl wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
A video below is, a Sky News report from today where a police officer who deals with violence against women expresses concern that there is so much focus on immigrants being blamed for harm against women and girls.
She reminds viewers that the VASTMAJORITY of female victims know their victim, they are domestic cases and she states "that is where the threat is" Just some facts to balance the perception of this thread .
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 04:11:50 PM
Sexual abuse and domestic abuse are two different categories.
The grooming gangs are not classed as domestic abusers, it's all about power, hatred, and sexual gratification. And yes, the vast majority of female victims do know their perpetrators. The grooming gangs got to know their victims, this historic case based in Rochdale is typical of how they did, and still do, operate.
The 'young undocumented males' that Farage is talking about, though every case is horrific, is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the Asian grooming gangs.
No disrespect Syl, but how? A step father sexually abusing their daughter or r*ping their wife is just as abhorrent as foreign men grooming..And when the police say the victim knew their abuser they mean it's a family member like father or uncle, not an opportunist who gets to know their victim within varying lengths of time in order to groom.
If you watch the video (it's only 3 minutes) the policewoman whose job it is to monitor this, states clearly the MAJORITY of sexual crimes are committed by people known to the victim i.e a family member or a friend.. This is explained in the video. She is just concerned that all the emphasis on foreign crimes (which are equally heart breaking no doubt,) is skewing the public 's perception. Other teenagers are more likely to SA a girl than grooming gangs they are third and family members first.
It's the first time other children or teenagers have overtaken grooming gangs or lone predators when.It comes to the SA of minors...the Manosphere has a lot to do with that. That's what the drama Adolescence was trying to raise awareness about. I saw that in another Sky report and will be happy to find the video or report, it may just take a few days!
I didn't post this video to.undermine the crimes committed by immigrants. There is no doubt Muslim men view western women and girls as less than and these despicable attitudes cause.the awful crimes that follow. But not all Muslim or Islam men are like this and being British doesn't mean a man is any less likely to be sexually abusive. So many abuses within in the family goes unreported also.
I just wanted to provide the accurate stats to put things in perspective.
Domestic abuse usually refers to adults who have been or are in a relationship. If a father sexually abuses his or his partners child, that's child abuse. I did watch the video Fluffy, and the policewoman didn’t mention family members or friends, she just said the vast majority of victims know their abuser.
There have been Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs operating in the UK for decades, it was covered up by police and authorities for years. I don't know if you have watched any of ex DC Maggie Olivers accounts of how the top police chief warned police forces throughout England and Wales to not use the word Asian when talking of these gangs. He actually threatened her that she could face prosecution if she carried on exposing the gangs. So the true numbers of how many kids have been raped by grooming gangs is unclear.
Of course children are also sexually abused and raped by white men. Predators and paedophiles come in all shapes, sizes and colours. And of course the vast majority of Pakistani Muslims do not belong to gangs who exploit young girls and pass them around to family and friends....thank God.
While we are on the subject, the teachers and carehome workers who knew these vulnerable kids were being groomed should also face prosecution. Instead, they blamed the girls, one even said one kid had prostituted herself from the age of 10.
Fluffy said
Oct 2 10:21 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
I'm sorry the facts don't fit your narrative Anon. Everyone is cynical about videos providing proof they don't appreciate today. The overwhelming majority of suspects in SA against minors is white men.
Why do the facts offend you? All SA on children is abhorrent, the colour of the men is the last thing to think about it. Improving children safety is what should be thought about.
Overview of Grooming Gangs
Grooming gangs in the UK have been a significant issue, particularly in the context of child sexual exploitation. The ethnic backgrounds of perpetrators have been a focal point in discussions about these gangs.
Ethnicity of Grooming Gang Members
Key Findings
Diverse Ethnic Backgrounds: While some high-profile cases have involved British-Pakistani men, the data shows that grooming gang members come from various ethnic backgrounds.
Statistical Representation: Recent reports indicate that approximately 85% of suspects in group-based child sexual abuse are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black. This suggests that the majority of offenders are not Asian.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 11:47:18 PM
I've bumped this because obviously it hasn't been seen. The policewoman said that the majority of women and girls are sexually abused by someone they know, fathers ,stepfather's, etc. However she doesn't mention race, just confirms that grooming gangs occur far less often than SA within the home. Domestic SA means the same thing. If I used the term domestic violence I was in error and that is my fault as you are talking specifically about girls being sexually abused.
But the above is a statistic taken from assist AI which is directly based o police statistics but I couldn't copy and paste the whole lot.i It's the most pertinent point in.the discussion as it is a police statistic.
I will repeat it again
I have highlighted the pertinent point. Group based child sexual abuse means "grooming gangs". If people think that this is incorrect please provide links instead of rhetoric. Attempts to put me down like "Jesus wept" prove absolutely nothing. I am just trying to give a more rounded perspective to the narrative. If someone offers information and a link that refutes what the statistics say below I am more than happy to look at it.
Recent reports indicate that approximately 85% of suspects in group-based child sexual abuse are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black. This suggests that the majority of offenders are not Asian.
Syl said
Oct 2 10:52 AM, 2025
Fluffy, to reinterate, the policewoman in your post did not mention family or friends, uncles or fathers....she said the vast majority of perpetrators are known to the victim.
She was trying to calm the outrage that people were feeling after an illegal immigrant randomly sexually attacked a 14year old girl. Farage jumped on this, stating 'young undocumented males posed a risk to women and girls'....so the policewoman was speaking of asylum seekers attacking young girls, which compared to either Muslim grooming gangs, or white child abusers, is definitely a tiny number.
Your figures taken of far more white sexual abusers is correct. But...figures show only a small % of gangs that preyed on young girls showed the actual race/religion, so that number could be way off.
"On the question of ethnicity, the report said: "We found that the ethnicity of perpetrators is shied away from and is still not recorded for two-thirds of perpetrators, so we are unable to provide any accurate assessment from the nationally collected data".
However, it added that at a local level for three police forces - Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire - there was enough evidence to show a "disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds amongst suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation".
The above extracts were taken from Baroness Caseys recently published report of Asian gangs operating in England and Wales.
Fluffy said
Oct 2 10:55 AM, 2025
There has been four people injured at a synagogue in Crumpsall ,Greater Manchester and the offender was shot by police. I believe this is best your neck of the woods Syl. " Synagogues usually have their own security such is the threat to Jewish people in the community "the Sky broadcaster reported.
More info is being revealed than is present here as the incident occurred only this morning.
Police say four people have been injured in an attack at a synagogue in Manchester Police were called to the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue at 9.31 BST by a member of the public, who witnessed a car being driven towards members of the public, and one man stabbed.
The suspect was shot by police; Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham says the suspect is believed to be dead.
The incident comes on Yom Kippur - the holiest day in the Jewish religious calendar
Source-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2703lnww4t
Vam said
Oct 2 11:07 AM, 2025
Another horrific attack in a place of worship. I swear the world is going stark raving crazy.
Omg 😲 I feel his pain and anger, heart wrenching.
He's so right, we would feel just.like that if it was one of our own children.
Bless this man.
Poor man, I felt his sorrow, anger and frustration, I doubt anything will change though.
He‘s not playing - and who can blame him?
That motley bunch of feckless do-nothing officials at that table deserved it all. Especially that repugnant little bantam who’s chairing the meeting, Jeff Van Drew🤬
He opportunistically switched parties to stick his snout into the trump trough. Taxpayers have been bankrolling his 6-figure salary and his fancy suits and ties ever since - with zero return for their money.
I hope these filthy pigs never get parole
An Asian grooming gang in Rochdale led by a market stallholder dubbed 'Boss Man' have been jailed for 174 years in total after two white schoolgirls were raped as they were used as 'sex slaves' from the age of 13.
Mohammed Zahid, 65, gave free underwear from his lingerie stall at Rochdale Indoor Market to both teenagers, along with money, alcohol and food, in return for the expectation of regular sex with him and his friends.
The father-of-three, now jailed for 35 years, was one of seven Asian men convicted in June by a jury at Manchester Minshull Street Court of committing various sexual offences against the girls between 2001 and 2006.
They were the first Asian grooming gang to be brought to justice since Labour faced accusations of a cover-up for resisting calls for a public inquiry into how a generation of girls were betrayed by police and social services.
Both girls were treated as 'sex slaves', said prosecutors, 'amid deeply troubled home lives' as they were given drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, places to stay and people to be with.
Soon after, they were expected to have sex 'whenever and wherever' the defendants and other men wanted, in filthy flats, on rancid mattresses, in cars, car parks, alleyways and disused warehouses.
The trial also heard how one girl - at the time living in a children's home - was scandalously dismissed by social workers as having been 'prostituting' herself from the age of ten.
Girl A told the jury she could have been targeted by more than 200 offenders as her phone number was swapped in the town but said 'there was that many it was hard to keep count'.
A video below is, a Sky News report from today where a police officer who deals with violence against women expresses concern that there is so much focus on immigrants being blamed for harm against women and girls.
She reminds viewers that the VAST MAJORITY of female victims know their victim, they are domestic cases and she states "that is where the threat is" Just some facts to balance the perception of this thread .
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 04:11:50 PM
I was just going to post this, you beat men to it Digs.
I hope they are deported after. Paedo dirty scum! Hope the prisoners give them the treatment only they can serve! 😠
Sexual abuse and domestic abuse are two different categories.
The grooming gangs are not classed as domestic abusers, it's all about power, hatred, and sexual gratification.
And yes, the vast majority of female victims do know their perpetrators. The grooming gangs got to know their victims, this historic case based in Rochdale is typical of how they did, and still do, operate.
The 'young undocumented males' that Farage is talking about, though every case is horrific, is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to the Asian grooming gangs.
Indeed. And many of those pakistani monsters are not immigrants. This has been going on since the 1980s and continues.
That's right...for every dirty old bastard like the ones who have just been sentenced, there are hundreds of younger bred and born here (mostly)Pakistani Muslims who have used and abused these young girls. A minority have been charged and jailed so far.
No disrespect Syl, but how? A step father sexually abusing their daughter or r*ping their wife is just as abhorrent as foreign men grooming..And when the police say the victim knew their abuser they mean it's a family member like father or uncle, not an opportunist who gets to know their victim within varying lengths of time in order to groom.
If you watch the video (it's only 3 minutes) the policewoman whose job it is to monitor this, states clearly the MAJORITY of sexual crimes are committed by people known to the victim i.e a family member or a friend.. This is explained in the video. She is just concerned that all the emphasis on foreign crimes (which are equally heart breaking no doubt,) is skewing the public 's perception. Other teenagers are more likely to SA a girl than grooming gangs they are third and family members first.
It's the first time other children or teenagers have overtaken grooming gangs or lone predators when.It comes to the SA of minors...the Manosphere has a lot to do with that. That's what the drama Adolescence was trying to raise awareness about. I saw that in another Sky report and will be happy to find the video or report, it may just take a few days!
I didn't post this video to.undermine the crimes committed by immigrants. There is no doubt Muslim men view western women and girls as less than and these despicable attitudes cause.the awful crimes that follow. But not all Muslim or Islam men are like this and being British doesn't mean a man is any less likely to be sexually abusive. So many abuses within in the family goes unreported also.
I just wanted to provide the accurate stats to put things in perspective.
Exactly.
The timing of this video makes me a tad cynical. Why muddy the waters between sexual abuse, domestic abuse and protests?…the protestors were demonstrating their anxiety of females being raped by unvetted illegals loose in their communities, I didn’t see any banners re domestic abuse.
I'm sorry the facts don't fit your narrative Anon. Everyone is cynical about videos providing proof they don't appreciate today. The overwhelming majority of suspects in SA against minors is white men.
Why do the facts offend you? All SA on children is abhorrent, the colour of the men is the last thing to think about it. Improving children safety is what should be thought about.
Overview of Grooming Gangs
Grooming gangs in the UK have been a significant issue, particularly in the context of child sexual exploitation. The ethnic backgrounds of perpetrators have been a focal point in discussions about these gangs.
Ethnicity of Grooming Gang Members
Key Findings
Diverse Ethnic Backgrounds: While some high-profile cases have involved British-Pakistani men, the data shows that grooming gang members come from various ethnic backgrounds.
Statistical Representation: Recent reports indicate that approximately 85% of suspects in group-based child sexual abuse are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black. This suggests that the majority of offenders are not Asian.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 1st of October 2025 11:47:18 PM
Probably because the protestors were worried about keeping their "wimmin"" safe and the one infamous grooming gang was sentenced today . Immigrants are being accused of being the biggest danger to women and minors.
The policewoman was worried racist attitudes were in error and so she corrected them. White males commit the most sexual crimes against women and children both although if you doubted a policewoman telling the truth I doubt you will believe the statistics above.
Instead of trying to point score over petty details why does it matter what colour these sickening men are?? What's awful is that men of all ethnicities hurt children and women and couldn't care less. Women should be united in.the fight against all sexual predators, their colour is not as relevant as their crime!
Again proving you don’t read posts. God only knows what you’re rambling on about now.
Domestic abuse is different to sexual abuse - sexual abuse can and does come under the umbrella of domestic abuse. Grooming gangs has nothing to do with domestic abuse in this case ie protestors outside hotels so please quit with the “ethnicity” of groomers.
Jesus wept.
Domestic abuse usually refers to adults who have been or are in a relationship. If a father sexually abuses his or his partners child, that's child abuse. I did watch the video Fluffy, and the policewoman didn’t mention family members or friends, she just said the vast majority of victims know their abuser.
There have been Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs operating in the UK for decades, it was covered up by police and authorities for years. I don't know if you have watched any of ex DC Maggie Olivers accounts of how the top police chief warned police forces throughout England and Wales to not use the word Asian when talking of these gangs. He actually threatened her that she could face prosecution if she carried on exposing the gangs. So the true numbers of how many kids have been raped by grooming gangs is unclear.
Of course children are also sexually abused and raped by white men. Predators and paedophiles come in all shapes, sizes and colours. And of course the vast majority of Pakistani Muslims do not belong to gangs who exploit young girls and pass them around to family and friends....thank God.
While we are on the subject, the teachers and carehome workers who knew these vulnerable kids were being groomed should also face prosecution. Instead, they blamed the girls, one even said one kid had prostituted herself from the age of 10.
I've bumped this because obviously it hasn't been seen. The policewoman said that the majority of women and girls are sexually abused by someone they know, fathers ,stepfather's, etc. However she doesn't mention race, just confirms that grooming gangs occur far less often than SA within the home. Domestic SA means the same thing. If I used the term domestic violence I was in error and that is my fault as you are talking specifically about girls being sexually abused.
But the above is a statistic taken from assist AI which is directly based o police statistics but I couldn't copy and paste the whole lot.i It's the most pertinent point in.the discussion as it is a police statistic.
I will repeat it again
I have highlighted the pertinent point. Group based child sexual abuse means "grooming gangs". If people think that this is incorrect please provide links instead of rhetoric. Attempts to put me down like "Jesus wept" prove absolutely nothing. I am just trying to give a more rounded perspective to the narrative. If someone offers information and a link that refutes what the statistics say below I am more than happy to look at it.
Recent reports indicate that approximately 85% of suspects in group-based child sexual abuse are white, while 7% are Asian and 5% are black. This suggests that the majority of offenders are not Asian.
Fluffy, to reinterate, the policewoman in your post did not mention family or friends, uncles or fathers....she said the vast majority of perpetrators are known to the victim.
She was trying to calm the outrage that people were feeling after an illegal immigrant randomly sexually attacked a 14year old girl. Farage jumped on this, stating 'young undocumented males posed a risk to women and girls'....so the policewoman was speaking of asylum seekers attacking young girls, which compared to either Muslim grooming gangs, or white child abusers, is definitely a tiny number.
Your figures taken of far more white sexual abusers is correct. But...figures show only a small % of gangs that preyed on young girls showed the actual race/religion, so that number could be way off.
"On the question of ethnicity, the report said: "We found that the ethnicity of perpetrators is shied away from and is still not recorded for two-thirds of perpetrators, so we are unable to provide any accurate assessment from the nationally collected data".
However, it added that at a local level for three police forces - Greater Manchester, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire - there was enough evidence to show a "disproportionate numbers of men from Asian ethnic backgrounds amongst suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation".
The above extracts were taken from Baroness Caseys recently published report of Asian gangs operating in England and Wales.
There has been four people injured at a synagogue in Crumpsall ,Greater Manchester and the offender was shot by police. I believe this is best your neck of the woods Syl. " Synagogues usually have their own security such is the threat to Jewish people in the community "the Sky broadcaster reported.
More info is being revealed than is present here as the incident occurred only this morning.
Police say four people have been injured in an attack at a synagogue in Manchester Police were called to the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue at 9.31 BST by a member of the public, who witnessed a car being driven towards members of the public, and one man stabbed.
The suspect was shot by police; Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham says the suspect is believed to be dead.
The incident comes on Yom Kippur - the holiest day in the Jewish religious calendar
Another horrific attack in a place of worship. I swear the world is going stark raving crazy.
Hope all is well where you are, Syl.