I don't think anyone can be surprised that this was manufactured rather than occurring naturally, but it makes it a lot harder to accept.
The next question that needs answering is...how the hell did it get from the lab to the rest of the world...killing millions globally and destroying economies in its wake.
John Doe said
May 29 7:39 PM, 2021
I call bullshit about that article - where is the source for this information Digs?
Zoonotic Pandemics are here to stay - we have fucked up the balance of this planet so very badly that we are now going to pay.
I expect a far deadlier virus to strike within a decade that will make COVID seem like the common cold.
Captain Trips here we come.
-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 29th of May 2021 08:21:58 PM
Maddog said
May 29 9:58 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
I call bullshit about that article - where is the source for this information Digs?
Zoonotic Pandemics are here to stay - we have fucked up the balance of this planet so very badly that we are now going to pay.
I expect a far deadlier virus to strike within a decade that will make COVID seem like the common cold.
Captain Trips here we come.
-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 29th of May 2021 08:21:58 PM
It's not bullshit that we funded part of that lab, what the lab does or that it's very near the market that was ground zero.
And it's not bullshit that the intelligence communities are taking another look at that place..
John Doe said
May 29 10:33 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
I call bullshit about that article - where is the source for this information Digs?
Zoonotic Pandemics are here to stay - we have fucked up the balance of this planet so very badly that we are now going to pay.
I expect a far deadlier virus to strike within a decade that will make COVID seem like the common cold.
Captain Trips here we come.
-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 29th of May 2021 08:21:58 PM
It's not bullshit that we funded part of that lab, what the lab does or that it's very near the market that was ground zero.
And it's not bullshit that the intelligence communities are taking another look at that place..
I call bullshit about that article - where is the source for this information Digs?
Zoonotic Pandemics are here to stay - we have fucked up the balance of this planet so very badly that we are now going to pay.
I expect a far deadlier virus to strike within a decade that will make COVID seem like the common cold.
Captain Trips here we come.
-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 29th of May 2021 08:21:58 PM
I hope it is bullshit because it's really too awful if this is manmade.
This in Time Magazine
the lab leak theory isn’t based on any new evidence but the re-examination of existing claims. Key among them is that U.S. intelligence agencies reportedly believe three staff at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) were treated in hospital in November 2019 with coronavirus-like symptoms—a claim that has circulated for months, but was first reported in detail in the Wall Street Journal.
China arrested whistle-blower doctors during the first stages of the pandemic. It publicly denied human-to-human transmission despite overwhelming evidence. It sanctioned the virologist who courageously published the first SARS-Cov2 genome without permission. Its National Health Commission forbade the publishing of any information regarding the Wuhan outbreak and ordered labs to destroy or transfer all viral samples to designated testing institutions, according to a Jan. 3 order seen by Beijing-based finance magazine Caixin. Universities have been instructed not to publish any report that indicates the virus originated in China, according to directives seen by TIME. Even journalists who have attempted to access bat caves in southwestern China—including TIME—have been met with harassment and intimidation.
-- Edited by Digger on Sunday 30th of May 2021 12:01:34 AM
JP said
May 30 12:23 AM, 2021
Digger wrote:
Well, there's a surprise. I mean, most people I speak to agree this nightmare came out of the lab. So how come the powers that be can't accept this might well be the truth? Instead, we all die for it while Facebook bans anyone who dares question it.
There are inserted DNA sequences from HIV in that strain of coronavirus. Which is why people are not dying from the actual virus but from their own immune response to it. It's like the fucking Sorcerer's Apprentice. Wuhan created something they couldn't control when it got out and it just got bigger and bigger and never stopped giving.
As a few of us have said for a long time way back near the start. Something doesn't smell right.
Also in the earlier days you had top experienced experts. Hospital consultants etc saying that they've never seen anything like it. What the virus was doing to people. How it was affecting people. Specifics. Some kept saying aspects of the situation and what the virus was doing was very strange.
When experienced top experts are stating they were perplexed by certain things and using such words as strange. That doesn't sit right. There were also one or to articles around at the time written by such people explaining some of the things that were perplexing them.
Powers that be from within Countries like ours the USA etc need to speak out more. Investigate further.
JP said
May 30 12:26 AM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Even Uncle Joe is having our spooks take a look.
Yep. That tells you something really doesn't smell right, right there. Even Joe feels he really has to look deeper.
Syl said
May 30 12:53 AM, 2021
I doubt the full truth will ever come out.
If this virus was manufactured, and God forbid purposely released, it's just too horrendous to contemplate.
Maddog said
May 30 3:44 AM, 2021
Syl wrote:
I doubt the full truth will ever come out.
If this virus was manufactured, and God forbid purposely released, it's just too horrendous to contemplate.
You would have to overthrow the Chinese government or have someone defect with some files like Snowden.
And even if you find out, what are you going to do? China's economy and military make them off limits from any real punishment..
I don't know exactly what started this virus, and I probably won't ever find out.
Syl said
May 30 4:47 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I doubt the full truth will ever come out.
If this virus was manufactured, and God forbid purposely released, it's just too horrendous to contemplate.
You would have to overthrow the Chinese government or have someone defect with some files like Snowden.
And even if you find out, what are you going to do? China's economy and military make them off limits from any real punishment..
I don't know exactly what started this virus, and I probably won't ever find out.
If it was manufactured, and worse deliberately released, I doubt anyone outside of whoever released it will ever know.
Maddog said
May 30 5:31 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I doubt the full truth will ever come out.
If this virus was manufactured, and God forbid purposely released, it's just too horrendous to contemplate.
You would have to overthrow the Chinese government or have someone defect with some files like Snowden.
And even if you find out, what are you going to do? China's economy and military make them off limits from any real punishment..
I don't know exactly what started this virus, and I probably won't ever find out.
If it was manufactured, and worse deliberately released, I doubt anyone outside of whoever released it will ever know.
I doubt it would be deliberately released near where it was manufactured.
I'm guessing someone got careless, infected themselves unknowingly and went shopping down the road in a poorly ventilated building and off to the races we went. .
Syl said
May 31 12:04 AM, 2021
Who knows.
The whole scenario since this pandemic started has been like somthing out of a science fiction film.
John Doe said
Jun 2 7:42 PM, 2021
Medical experts have declared that the real death toll is 1.6 million despite Modi's government's blatant lies and the widespread cover up, meanwhile Peru have just tripled their mortalities from around 68,000 to almost 185,000 thanks to a a new report, it's really nice to see some honesty for once (unlike India).
Unfortunately that does mean that per capita they have by far the highest fatality rate in the world now.
-- Edited by John Doe on Wednesday 2nd of June 2021 07:43:28 PM
I cant see where this dr Fauci is saying anything that hasn't been said before.
Maddog said
Jun 4 12:20 AM, 2021
But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.
The next question that needs answering is...how the hell did it get from the lab to the rest of the world...killing millions globally and destroying economies in its wake.
I call bullshit about that article - where is the source for this information Digs?
Zoonotic Pandemics are here to stay - we have fucked up the balance of this planet so very badly that we are now going to pay.
I expect a far deadlier virus to strike within a decade that will make COVID seem like the common cold.
Captain Trips here we come.
-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 29th of May 2021 08:21:58 PM
It's not bullshit that we funded part of that lab, what the lab does or that it's very near the market that was ground zero.
And it's not bullshit that the intelligence communities are taking another look at that place..
We will see.
If I am proved wrong then fair enough.
I hope it is bullshit because it's really too awful if this is manmade.
This in Time Magazine
the lab leak theory isn’t based on any new evidence but the re-examination of existing claims. Key among them is that U.S. intelligence agencies reportedly believe three staff at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) were treated in hospital in November 2019 with coronavirus-like symptoms—a claim that has circulated for months, but was first reported in detail in the Wall Street Journal.
China arrested whistle-blower doctors during the first stages of the pandemic. It publicly denied human-to-human transmission despite overwhelming evidence. It sanctioned the virologist who courageously published the first SARS-Cov2 genome without permission. Its National Health Commission forbade the publishing of any information regarding the Wuhan outbreak and ordered labs to destroy or transfer all viral samples to designated testing institutions, according to a Jan. 3 order seen by Beijing-based finance magazine Caixin. Universities have been instructed not to publish any report that indicates the virus originated in China, according to directives seen by TIME. Even journalists who have attempted to access bat caves in southwestern China—including TIME—have been met with harassment and intimidation.
-- Edited by Digger on Sunday 30th of May 2021 12:01:34 AM
As a few of us have said for a long time way back near the start. Something doesn't smell right.
Also in the earlier days you had top experienced experts. Hospital consultants etc saying that they've never seen anything like it. What the virus was doing to people. How it was affecting people. Specifics. Some kept saying aspects of the situation and what the virus was doing was very strange.
When experienced top experts are stating they were perplexed by certain things and using such words as strange. That doesn't sit right. There were also one or to articles around at the time written by such people explaining some of the things that were perplexing them.
Powers that be from within Countries like ours the USA etc need to speak out more. Investigate further.
Yep. That tells you something really doesn't smell right, right there. Even Joe feels he really has to look deeper.
I doubt the full truth will ever come out.
If this virus was manufactured, and God forbid purposely released, it's just too horrendous to contemplate.
You would have to overthrow the Chinese government or have someone defect with some files like Snowden.
And even if you find out, what are you going to do? China's economy and military make them off limits from any real punishment..
I don't know exactly what started this virus, and I probably won't ever find out.
If it was manufactured, and worse deliberately released, I doubt anyone outside of whoever released it will ever know.
I doubt it would be deliberately released near where it was manufactured.
I'm guessing someone got careless, infected themselves unknowingly and went shopping down the road in a poorly ventilated building and off to the races we went. .
The whole scenario since this pandemic started has been like somthing out of a science fiction film.
Medical experts have declared that the real death toll is 1.6 million despite Modi's government's blatant lies and the widespread cover up, meanwhile Peru have just tripled their mortalities from around 68,000 to almost 185,000 thanks to a a new report, it's really nice to see some honesty for once (unlike India).
Unfortunately that does mean that per capita they have by far the highest fatality rate in the world now.
-- Edited by John Doe on Wednesday 2nd of June 2021 07:43:28 PM
Well that's as clear as mud.
https://www.kusi.com/dr-anthony-faucis-book-pulled-from-stores-after-emails-expose-constant-hypocrisy/
More mud.
But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.
www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.21487
This is from 4 years ago.
-- Edited by Maddog on Friday 4th of June 2021 12:26:43 AM