I just saw a different clip and while there are no excuses for what he did, he seems to be trying to escape a baying mob.
They surrounded his car and started kicking and punching it, and someone smashed his rear window in.
Could be he was in fear of his life and panicked.
It's a miracle that no one was killed, but you have to think that if it was his intention to kill, he would have driven faster into the crowd than he did.
Thing is he followed Ambulance and carried on driving, even when he hit people. Some, including kids, were trapped under his car. The people, not baying mob, we're trying to make him stop. They were very angry at this point, who wouldn't be?
Edit: he has been arrested for attempted murder and drug driving.
-- Edited by Magica on Tuesday 27th of May 2025 04:22:59 PM
Anonymous said
May 27 4:19 PM, 2025
Red Okktober wrote:
The police have set a precedent by stating race and nationality so quickly. I'm in favour of it if they do it for all races and nationalities, and not just when it's a white suspect.
People start sharing videos and comments on social media pretty much as soon as something happens - sometimes false info as with Southport - and I don't see any purpose in police witholding info when the suspect's ID will come out anyway at some point. Just get on with it and avoid needless rumours.
I remember when non-white suspects would be described by the BBC as something like - "police have said the man is dangerous and do not approach him - he was last seen wearing a dark top, jeans and trainers"
They’ll have problems now either way…if they release ”black…immigrant” populace will flip, if they don’t populace will speculate and flip...unless ol’ Starmer decides to start calling all immigrants, illegal or otherwise, British as soon as their toes touch land then we’ll be none the wiser.
Reports are saying all victims are recovering well in hospital which is really good news.
Digger said
May 27 4:28 PM, 2025
A woman said he had to stop because he'd driven over so many people the car wouldn't move.
Red Okktober said
May 27 4:54 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Thing is he followed Ambulance and carried on driving, even when he hit people. Some, including kids, were trapped under his car. The people, not baying mob, we're trying to make him stop. They were very angry at this point, who wouldn't be?
Edit: he has been arrested for attempted murder and drug driving.
-- Edited by Magica on Tuesday 27th of May 2025 04:22:59 PM
There's not much to go on, but the clip on the BBC showed the mob surroundng his car and smashing his rear window before he drove further up the street and starting hitting people.
The clip only starts when they are kicking and punching his car, so we don't know what caused them to do that, but I don't think he had run anyone over by then. It could just be a pissed up crowd combined with mob mentality, or he may have done something to rile them up.
I could be mistaken but that's how it came across to me.
Red Okktober said
May 27 5:04 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
They’ll have problems now either way…if they release ”black…immigrant” populace will flip, if they don’t populace will speculate and flip...unless ol’ Starmer decides to start calling all immigrants, illegal or otherwise, British as soon as their toes touch land then we’ll be none the wiser.
Reports are saying all victims are recovering well in hospital which is really good news.
I think it must be the same police force that dealt with Southport. They must know that their witholding of info then caused things to escalate, so I applaud them if they are now taking a common sense approach and giving out details asap. But it must be for everyone and not just white suspects. It would be pretty dumb not to, as the public will realise that if info is witheld, the suspect is unlikely to be white.
They've let the cat out of the bag now.
Syl said
May 27 6:12 PM, 2025
Red Okktober wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
They’ll have problems now either way…if they release ”black…immigrant” populace will flip, if they don’t populace will speculate and flip...unless ol’ Starmer decides to start calling all immigrants, illegal or otherwise, British as soon as their toes touch land then we’ll be none the wiser.
Reports are saying all victims are recovering well in hospital which is really good news.
I think it must be the same police force that dealt with Southport. They must know that their witholding of info then caused things to escalate, so I applaud them if they are now taking a common sense approach and giving out details asap. But it must be for everyone and not just white suspects. It would be pretty dumb not to, as the public will realise that if info is witheld, the suspect is unlikely to be white.
They've let the cat out of the bag now.
We will see. Police, authorities and politicians still call the Muslim, Pakistani gangs ...grooming gangs, at a push Asian gangs.
Anonymous said
May 27 7:26 PM, 2025
Digger, your response gave me pause. Firstly I'm sorry you endured such hardship but going by your own hard line, you decided to have a child knowing you would not have much money so you can't complain that times were tough. Your experiences made you a strong , stoic lady. You made it through harsh times without succumbing to any vices and for that I salute you. But not everyone is as strong, and at least you and your child were given (I assume) council accommodation so you were helped by the government in some form. Which is what the local authority is there for so no shame in that. Men remain homeless without help which is sadly the reasonable ethical choice when children are involved. Of course everyone deserves a roof over their heads as long as they pay taxes and contribute to society. But no government, Labour or Tory, has ever made the logical step of building enough houses. I do think it's shameful that anyone is homeless and I'm genuinely sorry you endured that at such a young age.
However, you did prove that those in poverty care about getting food on the table and how they will manage to pay bills, not immigrants. What you were thinking then is about what poor families care about now. The cost of living crisis that has made working people need to resort to food banks to feed their families is what those in impoverished communities are concerned with,not immigration. They may care about it to a degree but it's not the most important political point to them as they need more street lighting to feel safe. The increasingly violent neighbourhoods where gang culture has seeped in make pensioners and young mother's living in those awful tower blocks feel isolated and afraid. People's real life shapes their worries.
That's why people who ONLY care about immigration are usually comfortable enough in their life not to have to be concerned with anything else. That being said, I don't think Starmer is handling immigration correctly at all by blocking qualified individuals who would pay their way and not really making any headway with the boats. People must be so desperate to risk their lives in such a way that they are either fleeing war torn areas or seeking a future where there is not one accessible to then. You cannot blame them for this. The fault lies with our government for housing people who won't reveal their identity at cost to the taxpayer and not processing asylum seekers in a timely manner so those who deserve it get shelter and others are sent elsewhere where there is room for them to be accomodated.
Anonymous said
May 27 7:43 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
They’ll have problems now either way…if they release ”black…immigrant” populace will flip, if they don’t populace will speculate and flip...unless ol’ Starmer decides to start calling all immigrants, illegal or otherwise, British as soon as their toes touch land then we’ll be none the wiser.
Reports are saying all victims are recovering well in hospital which is really good news.
I think it must be the same police force that dealt with Southport. They must know that their witholding of info then caused things to escalate, so I applaud them if they are now taking a common sense approach and giving out details asap. But it must be for everyone and not just white suspects. It would be pretty dumb not to, as the public will realise that if info is witheld, the suspect is unlikely to be white.
They've let the cat out of the bag now.
We will see. Police, authorities and politicians still call the Muslim, Pakistani gangs ...grooming gangs, at a push Asian gangs.
I can understand why they would keep ethnicity under wraps regarding such crimes because people would react in a violent manner. Obviously being part of a grooming gang is the lowest of the low but when a sexual offender is white , or like the drug addled driver in Liverpool, people are not racist towards them. White people have an entitlement that some do not seem to understand.
A white grooming gang would be judged for their abhorrent crimes. An Asian grooming gang would be judged for their ethnicity AND their crimes. There would be a larger outpouring of crime against innocent people who happen to be Asian which cannot be denied and the police don't want to waste valuable time on vigilante justice. Nobody will attack a white person or rob their shop because a white grooming gang is in the media. But it would happen to Asian people in the exact same situation. So I don't think it's fair to expect police to give details of a criminals ethnicity when not all ethnicities are treated equally.
Syl said
May 28 12:08 AM, 2025
Both should be judged for their abhorrant crimes, but to believe culture, origin and religion dont matter, is completely missing the point.
When one of the many gangs that have operated up and down the country are sentenced, dont you think the individual members should be named and shamed?
Anonymous said
May 28 1:00 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
They’ll have problems now either way…if they release ”black…immigrant” populace will flip, if they don’t populace will speculate and flip...unless ol’ Starmer decides to start calling all immigrants, illegal or otherwise, British as soon as their toes touch land then we’ll be none the wiser.
Reports are saying all victims are recovering well in hospital which is really good news.
I think it must be the same police force that dealt with Southport. They must know that their witholding of info then caused things to escalate, so I applaud them if they are now taking a common sense approach and giving out details asap. But it must be for everyone and not just white suspects. It would be pretty dumb not to, as the public will realise that if info is witheld, the suspect is unlikely to be white.
They've let the cat out of the bag now.
We will see. Police, authorities and politicians still call the Muslim, Pakistani gangs ...grooming gangs, at a push Asian gangs.
I can understand why they would keep ethnicity under wraps regarding such crimes because people would react in a violent manner. Obviously being part of a grooming gang is the lowest of the low but when a sexual offender is white , or like the drug addled driver in Liverpool, people are not racist towards them. White people have an entitlement that some do not seem to understand.
A white grooming gang would be judged for their abhorrent crimes. An Asian grooming gang would be judged for their ethnicity AND their crimes. There would be a larger outpouring of crime against innocent people who happen to be Asian which cannot be denied and the police don't want to waste valuable time on vigilante justice. Nobody will attack a white person or rob their shop because a white grooming gang is in the media. But it would happen to Asian people in the exact same situation. So I don't think it's fair to expect police to give details of a criminals ethnicity when not all ethnicities are treated equally.
Are you for real?
Anonymous said
May 28 1:24 AM, 2025
Yes in an ideal world but unfortunately not in the one in which we live. There have been no riots due to what happened in Liverpool and that is because the driver was white. Had he been and therefore described as a Muslim or Asian there would inevitably be riots. That is why it is not safe to reveal every offenders ethnicity because of the minority of racist white people who would use it as an excuse to target muslim's who had not commited crimes.
Syl said
May 28 11:06 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Yes in an ideal world but unfortunately not in the one in which we live. There have been no riots due to what happened in Liverpool and that is because the driver was white. Had he been and therefore described as a Muslim or Asian there would inevitably be riots. That is why it is not safe to reveal every offenders ethnicity because of the minority of racist white people who would use it as an excuse to target muslim's who had not commited crimes.
Violence is more likely to erupt when people are lied to and the guilty are protected.
Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs operated openly, under the noses of police, carers, teachers, and they were allowed to do so for the very reasons you think are fair.
IF white English grooming gangs were hanging around schools and care homes, and being protected...do you really think the outrage would not be just as strong?
Anonymous said
May 28 1:40 PM, 2025
The outrage would be as strong but no other innocent white men would be hurt. As an aside the majority of lone peadop*iles are white and target younger children of both sexes. Other ethnicities are likely to be in grooming gangs, and overwhelmingly target girls aged 12 and above. It's an unsavoury horrible clarification but you implied a white grooming gang would be less likely. There are actually more white male predators but they do not act in gangs.
Syl said
May 28 5:00 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
The outrage would be as strong but no other innocent white men would be hurt. As an aside the majority of lone peadop*iles are white and target younger children of both sexes. Other ethnicities are likely to be in grooming gangs, and overwhelmingly target girls aged 12 and above. It's an unsavoury horrible clarification but you implied a white grooming gang would be less likely. There are actually more white male predators but they do not act in gangs.
According to public figures, less than 6% of PEOPLE in the UK are Muslim.
Muslim men will account for around a quarter of that figure, so obviously there will be more white everything....including groomers and paedophiles.
You are right that the behaviours do differ. White, none Muslim perverts generally act alone, they don't run in gangs and pass their victims around to Uncle Omar and cousin Abdul.
Digger said
May 28 6:26 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Yes in an ideal world but unfortunately not in the one in which we live. There have been no riots due to what happened in Liverpool and that is because the driver was white. Had he been and therefore described as a Muslim or Asian there would inevitably be riots. That is why it is not safe to reveal every offenders ethnicity because of the minority of racist white people who would use it as an excuse to target muslim's who had not commited crimes.
Is it only white people who riot and behave badly?
Two that spring to mind are the 2005 riots in Birmingham after a gang of muslim men raped a Jamaican girl and the 2011 riots in Birmingham when three Asian men were killed protecting businesses from black looters.
Digger said
May 28 6:44 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Digger, your response gave me pause. Firstly I'm sorry you endured such hardship but going by your own hard line, you decided to have a child knowing you would not have much money so you can't complain that times were tough. Your experiences made you a strong , stoic lady. You made it through harsh times without succumbing to any vices and for that I salute you. But not everyone is as strong, and at least you and your child were given (I assume) council accommodation so you were helped by the government in some form. Which is what the local authority is there for so no shame in that. Men remain homeless without help which is sadly the reasonable ethical choice when children are involved. Of course everyone deserves a roof over their heads as long as they pay taxes and contribute to society. But no government, Labour or Tory, has ever made the logical step of building enough houses. I do think it's shameful that anyone is homeless and I'm genuinely sorry you endured that at such a young age.
However, you did prove that those in poverty care about getting food on the table and how they will manage to pay bills, not immigrants. What you were thinking then is about what poor families care about now. The cost of living crisis that has made working people need to resort to food banks to feed their families is what those in impoverished communities are concerned with,not immigration. They may care about it to a degree but it's not the most important political point to them as they need more street lighting to feel safe. The increasingly violent neighbourhoods where gang culture has seeped in make pensioners and young mother's living in those awful tower blocks feel isolated and afraid. People's real life shapes their worries.
That's why people who ONLY care about immigration are usually comfortable enough in their life not to have to be concerned with anything else. That being said, I don't think Starmer is handling immigration correctly at all by blocking qualified individuals who would pay their way and not really making any headway with the boats. People must be so desperate to risk their lives in such a way that they are either fleeing war torn areas or seeking a future where there is not one accessible to then. You cannot blame them for this. The fault lies with our government for housing people who won't reveal their identity at cost to the taxpayer and not processing asylum seekers in a timely manner so those who deserve it get shelter and others are sent elsewhere where there is room for them to be accomodated.
No, I didn't decide to have a child with no means to support it, you sanctimonious moron. I was married. What was out of my control was how I came to be in that situation. But I'll tell you what I didn't do. Go on to have half a dozen more kids and bleed the state. Nor did I sell my minge on porn sites like you.
And remember, it's not just about children. Many of our pensioners are in far worse situations with no hope of any help or financial aid.
Digger said
May 28 6:51 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
They’ll have problems now either way…if they release ”black…immigrant” populace will flip, if they don’t populace will speculate and flip...unless ol’ Starmer decides to start calling all immigrants, illegal or otherwise, British as soon as their toes touch land then we’ll be none the wiser.
Reports are saying all victims are recovering well in hospital which is really good news.
I think it must be the same police force that dealt with Southport. They must know that their witholding of info then caused things to escalate, so I applaud them if they are now taking a common sense approach and giving out details asap. But it must be for everyone and not just white suspects. It would be pretty dumb not to, as the public will realise that if info is witheld, the suspect is unlikely to be white.
They've let the cat out of the bag now.
We will see. Police, authorities and politicians still call the Muslim, Pakistani gangs ...grooming gangs, at a push Asian gangs.
I can understand why they would keep ethnicity under wraps regarding such crimes because people would react in a violent manner. Obviously being part of a grooming gang is the lowest of the low but when a sexual offender is white , or like the drug addled driver in Liverpool, people are not racist towards them. White people have an entitlement that some do not seem to understand.
A white grooming gang would be judged for their abhorrent crimes. An Asian grooming gang would be judged for their ethnicity AND their crimes. There would be a larger outpouring of crime against innocent people who happen to be Asian which cannot be denied and the police don't want to waste valuable time on vigilante justice. Nobody will attack a white person or rob their shop because a white grooming gang is in the media. But it would happen to Asian people in the exact same situation. So I don't think it's fair to expect police to give details of a criminals ethnicity when not all ethnicities are treated equally.
Are you for real?
She was on here many moons ago. A wannabee porn star and pain in the arse.
Digger said
May 28 7:32 PM, 2025
The driver suspected of mowing down fans at Liverpool Football Club's victory parade is a 'lovely' family man who runs his own business, it emerged today.
Magica said
May 28 8:47 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
The driver suspected of mowing down fans at Liverpool Football Club's victory parade is a 'lovely' family man who runs his own business, it emerged today.
Such a lovely man he knocked people down like skittles!
Hope he gets prison.
Anonymous said
May 28 9:43 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
The driver suspected of mowing down fans at Liverpool Football Club's victory parade is a 'lovely' family man who runs his own business, it emerged today.
Thing is he followed Ambulance and carried on driving, even when he hit people. Some, including kids, were trapped under his car. The people, not baying mob, we're trying to make him stop. They were very angry at this point, who wouldn't be?
Edit: he has been arrested for attempted murder and drug driving.
-- Edited by Magica on Tuesday 27th of May 2025 04:22:59 PM
They’ll have problems now either way…if they release ”black…immigrant” populace will flip, if they don’t populace will speculate and flip...unless ol’ Starmer decides to start calling all immigrants, illegal or otherwise, British as soon as their toes touch land then we’ll be none the wiser.
Reports are saying all victims are recovering well in hospital which is really good news.
There's not much to go on, but the clip on the BBC showed the mob surroundng his car and smashing his rear window before he drove further up the street and starting hitting people.
The clip only starts when they are kicking and punching his car, so we don't know what caused them to do that, but I don't think he had run anyone over by then. It could just be a pissed up crowd combined with mob mentality, or he may have done something to rile them up.
I could be mistaken but that's how it came across to me.
I think it must be the same police force that dealt with Southport. They must know that their witholding of info then caused things to escalate, so I applaud them if they are now taking a common sense approach and giving out details asap. But it must be for everyone and not just white suspects. It would be pretty dumb not to, as the public will realise that if info is witheld, the suspect is unlikely to be white.
They've let the cat out of the bag now.
We will see. Police, authorities and politicians still call the Muslim, Pakistani gangs ...grooming gangs, at a push Asian gangs.
Digger, your response gave me pause. Firstly I'm sorry you endured such hardship but going by your own hard line, you decided to have a child knowing you would not have much money so you can't complain that times were tough. Your experiences made you a strong , stoic lady. You made it through harsh times without succumbing to any vices and for that I salute you. But not everyone is as strong, and at least you and your child were given (I assume) council accommodation so you were helped by the government in some form. Which is what the local authority is there for so no shame in that. Men remain homeless without help which is sadly the reasonable ethical choice when children are involved. Of course everyone deserves a roof over their heads as long as they pay taxes and contribute to society. But no government, Labour or Tory, has ever made the logical step of building enough houses. I do think it's shameful that anyone is homeless and I'm genuinely sorry you endured that at such a young age.
However, you did prove that those in poverty care about getting food on the table and how they will manage to pay bills, not immigrants. What you were thinking then is about what poor families care about now. The cost of living crisis that has made working people need to resort to food banks to feed their families is what those in impoverished communities are concerned with,not immigration. They may care about it to a degree but it's not the most important political point to them as they need more street lighting to feel safe. The increasingly violent neighbourhoods where gang culture has seeped in make pensioners and young mother's living in those awful tower blocks feel isolated and afraid. People's real life shapes their worries.
That's why people who ONLY care about immigration are usually comfortable enough in their life not to have to be concerned with anything else. That being said, I don't think Starmer is handling immigration correctly at all by blocking qualified individuals who would pay their way and not really making any headway with the boats. People must be so desperate to risk their lives in such a way that they are either fleeing war torn areas or seeking a future where there is not one accessible to then. You cannot blame them for this. The fault lies with our government for housing people who won't reveal their identity at cost to the taxpayer and not processing asylum seekers in a timely manner so those who deserve it get shelter and others are sent elsewhere where there is room for them to be accomodated.
I can understand why they would keep ethnicity under wraps regarding such crimes because people would react in a violent manner. Obviously being part of a grooming gang is the lowest of the low but when a sexual offender is white , or like the drug addled driver in Liverpool, people are not racist towards them. White people have an entitlement that some do not seem to understand.
A white grooming gang would be judged for their abhorrent crimes. An Asian grooming gang would be judged for their ethnicity AND their crimes. There would be a larger outpouring of crime against innocent people who happen to be Asian which cannot be denied and the police don't want to waste valuable time on vigilante justice. Nobody will attack a white person or rob their shop because a white grooming gang is in the media. But it would happen to Asian people in the exact same situation. So I don't think it's fair to expect police to give details of a criminals ethnicity when not all ethnicities are treated equally.
When one of the many gangs that have operated up and down the country are sentenced, dont you think the individual members should be named and shamed?
Are you for real?
Violence is more likely to erupt when people are lied to and the guilty are protected.
Pakistani Muslim grooming gangs operated openly, under the noses of police, carers, teachers, and they were allowed to do so for the very reasons you think are fair.
IF white English grooming gangs were hanging around schools and care homes, and being protected...do you really think the outrage would not be just as strong?
According to public figures, less than 6% of PEOPLE in the UK are Muslim.
Muslim men will account for around a quarter of that figure, so obviously there will be more white everything....including groomers and paedophiles.
You are right that the behaviours do differ. White, none Muslim perverts generally act alone, they don't run in gangs and pass their victims around to Uncle Omar and cousin Abdul.
Is it only white people who riot and behave badly?
Two that spring to mind are the 2005 riots in Birmingham after a gang of muslim men raped a Jamaican girl and the 2011 riots in Birmingham when three Asian men were killed protecting businesses from black looters.
No, I didn't decide to have a child with no means to support it, you sanctimonious moron. I was married. What was out of my control was how I came to be in that situation. But I'll tell you what I didn't do. Go on to have half a dozen more kids and bleed the state. Nor did I sell my minge on porn sites like you.
And remember, it's not just about children. Many of our pensioners are in far worse situations with no hope of any help or financial aid.
She was on here many moons ago. A wannabee porn star and pain in the arse.
Such a lovely man he knocked people down like skittles!
Hope he gets prison.
They’re always “lovely” until they’re not.