“ accused of dangerous driving, causing grievous bodily harm with intent, wounding with intent to cause injury, and attempting to cause GBH with intent…”
Hopefully he won’t be behind the wheel for a while.
Syl said
May 29 6:02 PM, 2025
God knows why he wasn't charged with attempted murder.
Anonymous said
May 29 7:08 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
God knows why he wasn't charged with attempted murder.
Proof needed I suppose to get a firm conviction…did he drive like he did into people with the sole intention of killing them. I’m no legal bod so haven’t a clue tbh.
No mention of booze and/or drugs as previously reported.
what I can’t grasp is how he thought following an ambulance, through opened barriers, and then carrying on driving down a road of a thousand of pedestrians was a good idea. Did he think he would just get penalty points. Bizarre to me.
He's aged well, I'll give him that. More like early forties than 53.
His pic will disappoint the hordes of Twitter twits who were adamant in their belief it was everything from a female to a mannequin to an AI creation behind that wheel.
Red Okktober said
May 29 8:37 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Proof needed I suppose to get a firm conviction…did he drive like he did into people with the sole intention of killing them. I’m no legal bod so haven’t a clue tbh.
No mention of booze and/or drugs as previously reported.
what I can’t grasp is how he thought following an ambulance, through opened barriers, and then carrying on driving down a road of a thousand of pedestrians was a good idea. Did he think he would just get penalty points. Bizarre to me.
Any lawyer worth his/her salt would point out that he hit 79 people and didn't kill any of them, clearly shows that he wasn't trying to kill, or there would be many dead.
I still think he panicked after being surrounded by an angry mob punching and kicking his car and smashing his window in, then sped off trying to escape. Thats not excusing him, and he deserves a jail sentence for what he did, but it seems more likely than him setting out to kill people
As you say, it's bizarre that he found himself in that situtation in the first place. Maybe he thought he could sneak in behind the ambulance and avoid going on a detour with all the closed roads? Trying to save a few miniutes might have cost him several years. Although I don't think he'll get as long as some might be expecting, unless they decide to make an example out of him like they did the rioters.
Anonymous said
May 29 9:45 PM, 2025
Red Okktober wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Proof needed I suppose to get a firm conviction…did he drive like he did into people with the sole intention of killing them. I’m no legal bod so haven’t a clue tbh.
No mention of booze and/or drugs as previously reported.
what I can’t grasp is how he thought following an ambulance, through opened barriers, and then carrying on driving down a road of a thousand of pedestrians was a good idea. Did he think he would just get penalty points. Bizarre to me.
Any lawyer worth his/her salt would point out that he hit 79 people and didn't kill any of them, clearly shows that he wasn't trying to kill, or there would be many dead.
I still think he panicked after being surrounded by an angry mob punching and kicking his car and smashing his window in, then sped off trying to escape. Thats not excusing him, and he deserves a jail sentence for what he did, but it seems more likely than him setting out to kill people
As you say, it's bizarre that he found himself in that situtation in the first place. Maybe he thought he could sneak in behind the ambulance and avoid going on a detour with all the closed roads? Trying to save a few miniutes might have cost him several years. Although I don't think he'll get as long as some might be expecting, unless they decide to make an example out of him like they did the rioters.
It’s confusing due to the few scraps of videos we’ve seen…did the crowd get angry after he mowed down some or simply because he was driving in a cordoned off area? - tbh I can see why the crowd reacted the way they did both ways. I’ve watched videos online where, one example, someone actually drove amongst runners in a cordoned off route because they claimed they needed to be somewhere at a given time (iirc) and couldn’t fathom out how to get there.
edit: here’s the video.
I agree, if he intended to kill he was in a prime position to do so.
We’ll get to learn more in time I suppose
Syl said
May 29 11:12 PM, 2025
"He has been charged with two counts of unlawful and malicious wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, two counts of causing unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, two counts of attempted, unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, all contrary to Section 18 of the Offences Against The Person Act 1861."
The charges of intent mean it was deliberate. It's a miracle, especially as children were knocked down, that none were killed.
Red Okktober said
May 29 11:35 PM, 2025
It’s confusing due to the few scraps of videos we’ve seen…did the crowd get angry after he mowed down some or simply because he was driving in a cordoned off area? - tbh I can see why the crowd reacted the way they did both ways. I’ve watched videos online where, one example, someone actually drove amongst runners in a cordoned off route because they claimed they needed to be somewhere at a given time (iirc) and couldn’t fathom out how to get there.
The BBC showed a clip where he was having his car punched and kicked and his rear window smashed in, then showed a map with arrows of where he drove next, which was about 200m to Water St where he drove into the crowd. So initial hostility towards him was before he ran anyone over.
It was at the end of a footie parade so the crowd was probably well pissed up., and the reaction to him being in the wrong place seemed a bit OTT. Once again, not making excuses for him and he deserves jail time.
Red Okktober said
May 29 11:46 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
"He has been charged with two counts of unlawful and malicious wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, two counts of causing unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, two counts of attempted, unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, all contrary to Section 18 of the Offences Against The Person Act 1861."
The charges of intent mean it was deliberate. It's a miracle, especially as children were knocked down, that none were killed.
The intent part will have to be proven in court. It could be that without an attempted murder charge, it's the most serious thing they can charge him with.
Anonymous said
May 29 11:53 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
"He has been charged with two counts of unlawful and malicious wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, two counts of causing unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, two counts of attempted, unlawful and malicious grievous bodily harm with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, all contrary to Section 18 of the Offences Against The Person Act 1861."
The charges of intent mean it was deliberate. It's a miracle, especially as children were knocked down, that none were killed.
He seemed hell bent on ignoring any and all driving constrictions by following that ambulance from the get go by any means necessary, but I still don’t think it was attempted murder Syl - I’m hoping the police/CPS etc have pulled out all the stops to charge him with the fullest/appropriate charges they can so he gets the max due to him. They may add further charges in time, it’s been known to happen.
This arsehole will need more than luck and a good barrister on his side if he faces a scouse jury.
This choked me the most…
“People going flying and people screaming and just terror, pure terror... I thought I'd lost everything. Daniel Eveson's partner was dragged under car wheels and his baby son's pram tossed down the street as a vehicle was driven into a crowd of pedestrians who had watched Liverpool FC's open-top bus Premier League trophy parade.
For a moment, he did not know if his partner or son had survived, he said.”
A young family enjoying a celebration together one minute, the next… Horrific.
The frightening thing is any one of us could be out shopping on the High Street tomorrow with our loved ones and all it takes is one idiot behind a wheel.
Syl said
May 30 12:03 AM, 2025
When all the video has been examined, a clearer picture will emerge.
One birds eye view seems to show him stationary, then start up and swerve into the crowd of people ...as if he has aimed for them.
That video is diffent to the one showing the car surging forwards, hitting and scattering people from both sides of the road.
No doubt a full picture will emerge soon enough.
Anonymous said
May 30 12:06 AM, 2025
Red Okktober wrote:
It’s confusing due to the few scraps of videos we’ve seen…did the crowd get angry after he mowed down some or simply because he was driving in a cordoned off area? - tbh I can see why the crowd reacted the way they did both ways. I’ve watched videos online where, one example, someone actually drove amongst runners in a cordoned off route because they claimed they needed to be somewhere at a given time (iirc) and couldn’t fathom out how to get there.
The BBC showed a clip where he was having his car punched and kicked and his rear window smashed in, then showed a map with arrows of where he drove next, which was about 200m to Water St where he drove into the crowd. So initial hostility towards him was before he ran anyone over.
It was at the end of a footie parade so the crowd was probably well pissed up., and the reaction to him being in the wrong place seemed a bit OTT. Once again, not making excuses for him and he deserves jail time.
I don’t see it as OTT Red considering how many folks have been mowed down deliberately in recent years…slapping the car would be a natural gut reaction imho. He could have been a terrorist hell bent on murdering folks that day for all anyone knew at the time. Wouldn’t you have done the same?
Anonymous said
May 30 12:15 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
When all the video has been examined, a clearer picture will emerge. One birds eye view seems to show him stationary, then start up and swerve into the crowd of people ...as if he has aimed for them. That video is diffent to the one showing the car surging forwards, hitting and scattering people from both sides of the road.
No doubt a full picture will emerge soon enough.
I’m hoping what with all the publicity etc it’s investigated to the max and the CPS have air tight charges.
I’m dreading the thought of the usual “MH” / PTSD (it’s been said he was a former marine). Call me cynical.
Anonymous said
May 30 12:39 AM, 2025
Red Okktober wrote:
It’s confusing due to the few scraps of videos we’ve seen…did the crowd get angry after he mowed down some or simply because he was driving in a cordoned off area? - tbh I can see why the crowd reacted the way they did both ways. I’ve watched videos online where, one example, someone actually drove amongst runners in a cordoned off route because they claimed they needed to be somewhere at a given time (iirc) and couldn’t fathom out how to get there.
The BBC showed a clip where he was having his car punched and kicked and his rear window smashed in, then showed a map with arrows of where he drove next, which was about 200m to Water St where he drove into the crowd. So initial hostility towards him was before he ran anyone over.
It was at the end of a footie parade so the crowd was probably well pissed up., and the reaction to him being in the wrong place seemed a bit OTT. Once again, not making excuses for him and he deserves jail time.
It looks as though he mowed people down, stopped and that’s when people started attacking the car.
Syl said
May 30 11:11 AM, 2025
From reading various accounts and looking at videos of people who were there, it seems he was trying to follow the ambulance, became surrounded by the crowds, began to honk his horn, people reacted by whacking his car, he then sharply reversed, knocking into one man, who hit his back window with something, which is possibly when it was broken.
The drivers door had been partly open, as he moved forwards, he opened it further to slam it shut, then he put his foot down and ploughed into the crowd.
It looks as though he mowed people down, stopped and that’s when people started attacking the car.
I daresay his car was attacked after he ran people over, that is understandable, but his car was attacked earlier on as well, which is not.
It probably sounds like I'm trying to defend him, but I'm not, and am just trying to give an alternative view that he set out to kill people.
I'm trying to imagine being in a car, surrounded by people kicking and punching it, rear window smashed in, doors being opened, people trying to get to him and shouting whatever at him. I don't think many drivers would have hung around in that situation and would have tried to get away asap. Unfortunately, his escape route took him further into the crowd. Had his escape route taken to safety away from any crowd, it could be that those who attacked his car (the earlier incident) could be facing charges themselves.
Barksdale said
May 30 12:06 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
I’m dreading the thought of the usual “MH” / PTSD (it’s been said he was a former marine). Call me cynical.
Really? It seems central to determining culpability.
Should a person who is not in complete and free control of their actions face the same sentence as someone who is?
Suspect charged with grievous bodily harm chargespublished at 17:23
Merseyside Police say suspect Paul Doyle has been charged with:
Merseyside Police name 53-year-old man Paul Doyle as the suspect in the Liverpool crash.
He is from the West Derby area of the city, Chief Crown Prosecutor for CPS Mersey-Cheshire Sarah Hammond says
More on this breaking story...
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-paul-doyle-liverpool-parade-35303651
“ accused of dangerous driving, causing grievous bodily harm with intent, wounding with intent to cause injury, and attempting to cause GBH with intent…”
Hopefully he won’t be behind the wheel for a while.
Proof needed I suppose to get a firm conviction…did he drive like he did into people with the sole intention of killing them. I’m no legal bod so haven’t a clue tbh.
No mention of booze and/or drugs as previously reported.
what I can’t grasp is how he thought following an ambulance, through opened barriers, and then carrying on driving down a road of a thousand of pedestrians was a good idea. Did he think he would just get penalty points. Bizarre to me.
He's aged well, I'll give him that. More like early forties than 53.
His pic will disappoint the hordes of Twitter twits who were adamant in their belief it was everything from a female to a mannequin to an AI creation behind that wheel.
Any lawyer worth his/her salt would point out that he hit 79 people and didn't kill any of them, clearly shows that he wasn't trying to kill, or there would be many dead.
I still think he panicked after being surrounded by an angry mob punching and kicking his car and smashing his window in, then sped off trying to escape. Thats not excusing him, and he deserves a jail sentence for what he did, but it seems more likely than him setting out to kill people
As you say, it's bizarre that he found himself in that situtation in the first place. Maybe he thought he could sneak in behind the ambulance and avoid going on a detour with all the closed roads? Trying to save a few miniutes might have cost him several years. Although I don't think he'll get as long as some might be expecting, unless they decide to make an example out of him like they did the rioters.
It’s confusing due to the few scraps of videos we’ve seen…did the crowd get angry after he mowed down some or simply because he was driving in a cordoned off area? - tbh I can see why the crowd reacted the way they did both ways. I’ve watched videos online where, one example, someone actually drove amongst runners in a cordoned off route because they claimed they needed to be somewhere at a given time (iirc) and couldn’t fathom out how to get there.
edit: here’s the video.
I agree, if he intended to kill he was in a prime position to do so.
We’ll get to learn more in time I suppose
The charges of intent mean it was deliberate. It's a miracle, especially as children were knocked down, that none were killed.
The BBC showed a clip where he was having his car punched and kicked and his rear window smashed in, then showed a map with arrows of where he drove next, which was about 200m to Water St where he drove into the crowd. So initial hostility towards him was before he ran anyone over.
It was at the end of a footie parade so the crowd was probably well pissed up., and the reaction to him being in the wrong place seemed a bit OTT. Once again, not making excuses for him and he deserves jail time.
The intent part will have to be proven in court. It could be that without an attempted murder charge, it's the most serious thing they can charge him with.
He seemed hell bent on ignoring any and all driving constrictions by following that ambulance from the get go by any means necessary, but I still don’t think it was attempted murder Syl - I’m hoping the police/CPS etc have pulled out all the stops to charge him with the fullest/appropriate charges they can so he gets the max due to him. They may add further charges in time, it’s been known to happen.
This arsehole will need more than luck and a good barrister on his side if he faces a scouse jury.
This choked me the most…
“People going flying and people screaming and just terror, pure terror... I thought I'd lost everything. Daniel Eveson's partner was dragged under car wheels and his baby son's pram tossed down the street as a vehicle was driven into a crowd of pedestrians who had watched Liverpool FC's open-top bus Premier League trophy parade.
For a moment, he did not know if his partner or son had survived, he said.”
A young family enjoying a celebration together one minute, the next… Horrific.
The frightening thing is any one of us could be out shopping on the High Street tomorrow with our loved ones and all it takes is one idiot behind a wheel.
One birds eye view seems to show him stationary, then start up and swerve into the crowd of people ...as if he has aimed for them.
That video is diffent to the one showing the car surging forwards, hitting and scattering people from both sides of the road.
No doubt a full picture will emerge soon enough.
I don’t see it as OTT Red considering how many folks have been mowed down deliberately in recent years…slapping the car would be a natural gut reaction imho. He could have been a terrorist hell bent on murdering folks that day for all anyone knew at the time. Wouldn’t you have done the same?
I’m hoping what with all the publicity etc it’s investigated to the max and the CPS have air tight charges.
I’m dreading the thought of the usual “MH” / PTSD (it’s been said he was a former marine). Call me cynical.
Red, have a look at this video https://news.sky.com/story/man-charged-over-liverpool-parade-incident-13375642
It looks as though he mowed people down, stopped and that’s when people started attacking the car.
The drivers door had been partly open, as he moved forwards, he opened it further to slam it shut, then he put his foot down and ploughed into the crowd.
I daresay his car was attacked after he ran people over, that is understandable, but his car was attacked earlier on as well, which is not.
It probably sounds like I'm trying to defend him, but I'm not, and am just trying to give an alternative view that he set out to kill people.
I'm trying to imagine being in a car, surrounded by people kicking and punching it, rear window smashed in, doors being opened, people trying to get to him and shouting whatever at him. I don't think many drivers would have hung around in that situation and would have tried to get away asap. Unfortunately, his escape route took him further into the crowd. Had his escape route taken to safety away from any crowd, it could be that those who attacked his car (the earlier incident) could be facing charges themselves.
Really? It seems central to determining culpability.
Should a person who is not in complete and free control of their actions face the same sentence as someone who is?