This is my last post in this thread....because it goes round in circles.
For me, and I don't speak for anyone else, my small weights that weigh 81b in each hand, (which Maddog sniffed at) has been part of my daily excercise routine for years, sometimes repetition not weight can give a good work out, and it works for me.
I don't doubt Maddog takes his fitness seriously, but one size does not fit all...and that's the thing that Maddog can't accept.
I'm just posting facts. It doesn't matter what I accept. The data doesn't give two shits what you or I think..
Syl said
Sep 5 6:23 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
This is my last post in this thread....because it goes round in circles.
For me, and I don't speak for anyone else, my small weights that weigh 81b in each hand, (which Maddog sniffed at) has been part of my daily excercise routine for years, sometimes repetition not weight can give a good work out, and it works for me.
I don't doubt Maddog takes his fitness seriously, but one size does not fit all...and that's the thing that Maddog can't accept.
I'm just posting facts. It doesn't matter what I accept. The data doesn't give two shits what you or I think..
And yet women have always lived longer than men and overall people are living longer now. I suspect good diet, staying a healthy weight and having a positive mindset is more conducive to longevity than weight training.
And yet women have always lived longer than men and overall people are living longer now. I suspect good diet, staying a healthy weight and having a positive mindset is more conducive to longevity than weight training.
One can suspect anything. The three things you mentioned are important, but not the only factors.
And being alive while in a wheelchair is still being alive. That's why many people separate lifespan and healthspan. They aren't the same.
Again, the hostility to all this still baffles me. 🤷
Maddog said
Sep 6 7:55 PM, 2025
"A new study finds women who do strength training exercises two to three days a week are more likely to live longer and have a lower risk of death from heart disease, compared to women who do none.
"We were incredibly impressed by the finding," says study author Martha Gulati, who is also the director of preventive cardiology at Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles.
Of the 400,000 people included in the study, only 1 in 5 women did regular weight training. But those who did, saw tremendous benefits."
I do see this changing. My daughter's generation understands this better than say boomers, even those that don't work out. Those folks know they should do strength training and don't try to pretend otherwise.
I do see a lot of misunderstanding in consuming sugar still. Most people don't know what the RDA for sugar is nor can they even come close to figuring out how much they consume.
It's why I see folks training hard and regularly at the gym and still retaining a pretty high body fat percentage.
You can't out train a bad diet much past 30..
-- Edited by Maddog on Saturday 6th of September 2025 08:05:04 PM
And yet women have always lived longer than men and overall people are living longer now. I suspect good diet, staying a healthy weight and having a positive mindset is more conducive to longevity than weight training.
One can suspect anything. The three things you mentioned are important, but not the only factors.
And being alive while in a wheelchair is still being alive. That's why many people separate lifespan and healthspan. They aren't the same.
Again, the hostility to all this still baffles me. 🤷
It's not hostility, but a reaction to your dogged belief that only weight training exercise is the way to go. There are many ways to stay healthy but your diet is the main one. What you put in your body is what can kill you or save you. You can lift as many weights and exercise still your limbs drop off but if you eat junk and your microbiome is fucked, you're open to all manner of disease. Of the two, diet, for me is the most important. Going for a 30 minute walk every day is enough to keep most people healthy.
Anonymous said
Sep 7 9:37 AM, 2025
Life expectancy in the United States is shorter than in the UK, with a 2023 analysis by Johns Hopkins showing an average life expectancy of 78.6 years in the U.S. compared to 81.3 years in England and Wales. This nearly three-year gap is largely attributed to higher rates of death from preventable causes in the U.S., such as heart disease, overdose, firearm violence, and motor vehicle crashes.
If you want to live longer, move to England.
Anonymous said
Sep 7 6:26 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Life expectancy in the United States is shorter than in the UK, with a 2023 analysis by Johns Hopkins showing an average life expectancy of 78.6 years in the U.S. compared to 81.3 years in England and Wales. This nearly three-year gap is largely attributed to higher rates of death from preventable causes in the U.S., such as heart disease, overdose, firearm violence, and motor vehicle crashes.
If you want to live longer, move to England.
Plus the NHS, with all its faults, gives better medical care than the US - facts well documented on CM and reputable sites elsewhere online.
And yet women have always lived longer than men and overall people are living longer now. I suspect good diet, staying a healthy weight and having a positive mindset is more conducive to longevity than weight training.
One can suspect anything. The three things you mentioned are important, but not the only factors.
And being alive while in a wheelchair is still being alive. That's why many people separate lifespan and healthspan. They aren't the same.
Again, the hostility to all this still baffles me. 🤷
It's not hostility, but a reaction to your dogged belief that only weight training exercise is the way to go. There are many ways to stay healthy but your diet is the main one. What you put in your body is what can kill you or save you. You can lift as many weights and exercise still your limbs drop off but if you eat junk and your microbiome is fucked, you're open to all manner of disease. Of the two, diet, for me is the most important. Going for a 30 minute walk every day is enough to keep most people healthy.
My only dogged belief is in facts. I don't do the research, but I do present it. And for some reason, it's met with hostility.
The same researchers that talk about the importance of a good diet, talk of the benefits of weight training.
It appears people want to pick and choose their version of the facts.
Speaking of places where people live longer, Loma Linda is the only Blue Zone in the US..
Others are in Sardinia, Okinawa and Costa Rica. And while a more natural diet is a commonality, some are vegetarians and others are not.
What is consistent amongst the Blue Zones is movement and exercise. In some areas that means a gym (Loma Linda). In others it's the old fashioned hard work of our ancestors (Sardinia). People walk, carry items and work up a sweat that way.
30 minutes a day of casually walking isn't the kind of exercise that will push your body like you should.
Don't want to go to the gym? Use an ax and carry logs around. Good luck with that..
Speaking of places where people live longer, Loma Linda is the only Blue Zone in the US..
Others are in Sardinia, Okinawa and Costa Rica. And while a more natural diet is a commonality, some are vegetarians and others are not.
What is consistent amongst the Blue Zones is movement and exercise. In some areas that means a gym (Loma Linda). In others it's the old fashioned hard work of our ancestors (Sardinia). People walk, carry items and work up a sweat that way.
30 minutes a day of casually walking isn't the kind of exercise that will push your body like you should.
Don't want to go to the gym? Use an ax and carry logs around. Good luck with that..
The NHS recommends walking every day to maintain health. It gets the blood going, and it's percussive so good for the bones.
According to 'experts' Weight training can be harmful if done with improper form, without adequate rest, or by individuals with certain pre-existing conditions, leading to overtraining syndrome, muscle soreness, or more severe injuries. To maximize benefits and minimize risks, focus on proper technique, allow for sufficient recovery, consult a doctor if you have underlying health issues, and start with light weights and fewer reps.
Speaking of places where people live longer, Loma Linda is the only Blue Zone in the US..
Others are in Sardinia, Okinawa and Costa Rica. And while a more natural diet is a commonality, some are vegetarians and others are not.
What is consistent amongst the Blue Zones is movement and exercise. In some areas that means a gym (Loma Linda). In others it's the old fashioned hard work of our ancestors (Sardinia). People walk, carry items and work up a sweat that way.
30 minutes a day of casually walking isn't the kind of exercise that will push your body like you should.
Don't want to go to the gym? Use an ax and carry logs around. Good luck with that..
The NHS recommends walking every day to maintain health. It gets the blood going, and it's percussive so good for the bones.
According to 'experts' Weight training can be harmful if done with improper form, without adequate rest, or by individuals with certain pre-existing conditions, leading to overtraining syndrome, muscle soreness, or more severe injuries. To maximize benefits and minimize risks, focus on proper technique, allow for sufficient recovery, consult a doctor if you have underlying health issues, and start with light weights and fewer reps.
Well yeah. If you do it wrong you can get hurt
The solution is to do it correctly, not to refrain from doing it..
Maddog said
Sep 7 9:28 PM, 2025
And you should walk every day. That should be a part of your fitness routine, not the entirety of it..
Digger said
Sep 7 11:08 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
And you should walk every day. That should be a part of your fitness routine, not the entirety of it..
That's the good thing about having a dog
Maddog said
Sep 7 11:33 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
And you should walk every day. That should be a part of your fitness routine, not the entirety of it..
That's the good thing about having a dog
And it's good for your dog, especially if you are using that time to keep it trained. It works them physically and mentally.
I don't currently have a dog right now, but I still watch this guy. While I already knew most of what he teaches, I've still learned a bit more from him..
I don't currently have a dog right now, but I still watch this guy. While I already knew most of what he teaches, I've still learned a bit more from him..
He doesn't look or sound particularly healthy, does he? PS what do you know about loose lead pack migration?
I don't currently have a dog right now, but I still watch this guy. While I already knew most of what he teaches, I've still learned a bit more from him..
I hope this mild observation won’t trigger anyone.
But am I sensing this guy might have some breathing issues? 😳
Anonymous said
Sep 8 11:58 AM, 2025
The womenfolk here must be counting their lucky stars they've got someone to show them not only how to cook their dinners and what exercises they have to do, but also the right way to walk a dog.
I'm just posting facts. It doesn't matter what I accept. The data doesn't give two shits what you or I think..
OK.
Over and out.
Not even debatable at this point..
And yet women have always lived longer than men and overall people are living longer now. I suspect good diet, staying a healthy weight and having a positive mindset is more conducive to longevity than weight training.
One can suspect anything. The three things you mentioned are important, but not the only factors.
And being alive while in a wheelchair is still being alive. That's why many people separate lifespan and healthspan. They aren't the same.
Again, the hostility to all this still baffles me. 🤷
"A new study finds women who do strength training exercises two to three days a week are more likely to live longer and have a lower risk of death from heart disease, compared to women who do none.
"We were incredibly impressed by the finding," says study author Martha Gulati, who is also the director of preventive cardiology at Cedars Sinai in Los Angeles.
Of the 400,000 people included in the study, only 1 in 5 women did regular weight training. But those who did, saw tremendous benefits."
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/03/11/1236791784/strength-resistance-weight-training-longevity-aging-heart-disease
I do see this changing. My daughter's generation understands this better than say boomers, even those that don't work out. Those folks know they should do strength training and don't try to pretend otherwise.
I do see a lot of misunderstanding in consuming sugar still. Most people don't know what the RDA for sugar is nor can they even come close to figuring out how much they consume.
It's why I see folks training hard and regularly at the gym and still retaining a pretty high body fat percentage.
You can't out train a bad diet much past 30..
-- Edited by Maddog on Saturday 6th of September 2025 08:05:04 PM
It's not hostility, but a reaction to your dogged belief that only weight training exercise is the way to go. There are many ways to stay healthy but your diet is the main one. What you put in your body is what can kill you or save you. You can lift as many weights and exercise still your limbs drop off but if you eat junk and your microbiome is fucked, you're open to all manner of disease. Of the two, diet, for me is the most important. Going for a 30 minute walk every day is enough to keep most people healthy.
Life expectancy in the United States is shorter than in the UK, with a 2023 analysis by Johns Hopkins showing an average life expectancy of 78.6 years in the U.S. compared to 81.3 years in England and Wales. This nearly three-year gap is largely attributed to higher rates of death from preventable causes in the U.S., such as heart disease, overdose, firearm violence, and motor vehicle crashes.
If you want to live longer, move to England.
Plus the NHS, with all its faults, gives better medical care than the US - facts well documented on CM and reputable sites elsewhere online.
My only dogged belief is in facts. I don't do the research, but I do present it. And for some reason, it's met with hostility.
The same researchers that talk about the importance of a good diet, talk of the benefits of weight training.
It appears people want to pick and choose their version of the facts.
Speaking of places where people live longer, Loma Linda is the only Blue Zone in the US..
Others are in Sardinia, Okinawa and Costa Rica. And while a more natural diet is a commonality, some are vegetarians and others are not.
What is consistent amongst the Blue Zones is movement and exercise. In some areas that means a gym (Loma Linda). In others it's the old fashioned hard work of our ancestors (Sardinia). People walk, carry items and work up a sweat that way.
30 minutes a day of casually walking isn't the kind of exercise that will push your body like you should.
Don't want to go to the gym? Use an ax and carry logs around. Good luck with that..
The NHS recommends walking every day to maintain health. It gets the blood going, and it's percussive so good for the bones.
According to 'experts' Weight training can be harmful if done with improper form, without adequate rest, or by individuals with certain pre-existing conditions, leading to overtraining syndrome, muscle soreness, or more severe injuries. To maximize benefits and minimize risks, focus on proper technique, allow for sufficient recovery, consult a doctor if you have underlying health issues, and start with light weights and fewer reps.
Well yeah. If you do it wrong you can get hurt
The solution is to do it correctly, not to refrain from doing it..
That's the good thing about having a dog
And it's good for your dog, especially if you are using that time to keep it trained. It works them physically and mentally.
I don't currently have a dog right now, but I still watch this guy. While I already knew most of what he teaches, I've still learned a bit more from him..
He doesn't look or sound particularly healthy, does he? PS what do you know about loose lead pack migration?
I hope this mild observation won’t trigger anyone.
But am I sensing this guy might have some breathing issues? 😳
The womenfolk here must be counting their lucky stars they've got someone to show them not only how to cook their dinners and what exercises they have to do, but also the right way to walk a dog.
You are a very lucky lot.