If it's not part of our culture to control what people wear, why ban an item of clothing that women wear for different reasons?
I think limiting where and when it should be worn would be more reasonable.
We wouldn't be able to walk in Muslim country in shorts, etc. We would respect that. They should respect our dress code.
I would hate Britain to be compared to Iraq or Iran, who wants to go back centuries.
We will, if we don't stop burkas. They are medieval, men controlling women. Not part of their religion.
Syl said
Jun 6 4:10 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
If it's not part of our culture to control what people wear, why ban an item of clothing that women wear for different reasons?
I think limiting where and when it should be worn would be more reasonable.
We wouldn't be able to walk in Muslim country in shorts, etc. We would respect that. They should respect our dress code.
I would hate Britain to be compared to Iraq or Iran, who wants to go back centuries.
We will, if we don't stop burkas. They are medieval, men controlling women. Not part of their religion.
Some women will say they want to wear the burqa, if it's their choice, who are we to say they cant?
I think they should be banned if driving a car, entering a bank or similar, in schools, and if an employer doesn't think they are suitable to be worn in the workplace...so be it. If someone feels more comfortable wearing them in some situations, like has been said, we are a free country.
Anonymous said
Jun 6 5:05 PM, 2025
I'm with Syl. In all honesty I don't like the repression of women in Islam which includes the wearing of the Burqa. It is a very isolating visible symbol which brings integration to a screeching halt. However many Muslim women want to wear it and I would not wish to repress women further telling them what they can and cannot wear. However I suspect some muslim ladies are pressured to wear it in very old fashioned households that adhere to the most severe doctrines in the Quran. These are the families who refuse to integrate as they hold great disdain for britain and western values despite living here.
Anonymous said
Jun 6 5:18 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
If it's not part of our culture to control what people wear, why ban an item of clothing that women wear for different reasons?
I think limiting where and when it should be worn would be more reasonable.
We wouldn't be able to walk in Muslim country in shorts, etc. We would respect that. They should respect our dress code.
I would hate Britain to be compared to Iraq or Iran, who wants to go back centuries.
We will, if we don't stop burkas. They are medieval, men controlling women. Not part of their religion.
Some women will say they want to wear the burqa, if it's their choice, who are we to say they cant?
I think they should be banned if driving a car, entering a bank or similar, in schools, and if an employer doesn't think they are suitable to be worn in the workplace...so be it. If someone feels more comfortable wearing them in some situations, like has been said, we are a free country.
Correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t helmets banned due to security/safety issues?…I vaguely remember concerns being raised somewhere at sometime.
Syl said
Jun 6 5:58 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
If it's not part of our culture to control what people wear, why ban an item of clothing that women wear for different reasons?
I think limiting where and when it should be worn would be more reasonable.
We wouldn't be able to walk in Muslim country in shorts, etc. We would respect that. They should respect our dress code.
I would hate Britain to be compared to Iraq or Iran, who wants to go back centuries.
We will, if we don't stop burkas. They are medieval, men controlling women. Not part of their religion.
Some women will say they want to wear the burqa, if it's their choice, who are we to say they cant?
I think they should be banned if driving a car, entering a bank or similar, in schools, and if an employer doesn't think they are suitable to be worn in the workplace...so be it. If someone feels more comfortable wearing them in some situations, like has been said, we are a free country.
Correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t helmets banned due to security/safety issues?…I vaguely remember concerns being raised somewhere at sometime.
I think they were, and I can understand why. If a face should be visible for security or safety issues, that should include women removing their burkas.
I remember one woman refused to remove hers in court, she cited religious reasons, but there were pics of her on social media wearing western clothes.
There will always be someone with an agenda trying to make a point at the expense of others.
Anonymous said
Jun 6 7:44 PM, 2025
Barksdale I hope Labour elect a more genuine PM that the public can trust and introduce more centre values. People are sick of the right which means austerity and cuts for the poor, this has been proved by protest votes for left wing parties such as the Greens and Lib Dems. The majority of people just want life to be fair, to be paid for the work they do and get the benefits they are owed. Cutting winter fuel payments for pensioners is not what Labour governments do, they are trying to attract hard line Reform and Conservative voters and losing their humanity in the process.
It appears the increase in capital gains tax has had the opposite result than was intended
Digger said
Jun 8 12:14 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
If it's not part of our culture to control what people wear, why ban an item of clothing that women wear for different reasons?
I think limiting where and when it should be worn would be more reasonable.
Because it covers the most important part of a person's body. The part we communicate with. It takes away individuality and reduces a person to an object. And as it's a garment of female oppression it should be banned. Because women have equal rights here. Female circumcision is part of certain cultures too but we ban that here.
When you live in a host country you integrate or leave. I wouldn't go live in Pakistan and not expect to cover up if that was expected of me.
Anyway, there's nothing that says it's mandatory in Islam to wear a face covering but women do because they are expected to by the men in their lives. It's probably the most misogynistic garment outside of a chastity belt.
Digger said
Jun 8 12:21 AM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
If it's not part of our culture to control what people wear, why ban an item of clothing that women wear for different reasons?
I think limiting where and when it should be worn would be more reasonable.
We wouldn't be able to walk in Muslim country in shorts, etc. We would respect that. They should respect our dress code.
I would hate Britain to be compared to Iraq or Iran, who wants to go back centuries.
We will, if we don't stop burkas. They are medieval, men controlling women. Not part of their religion.
Some years ago I visited Cairo and we went to a nightclub. There was a couple in there, both young, him in shirt and pants, and her covered from head to toe in black with just a slit for her eyes. She also wore gloves. She kept glancing over at us, we were wearing normal clothes. When their meal came - clubs in Cairo are not like our nightclubs here - she had to keep passing the food under the face covering. It was vile watching a young woman subjugated to such a degree she couldn't even eat normally.
Syl said
Jun 8 12:29 AM, 2025
A face covering does'nt reduce a person to an object.
You might not like it, but if the woman chooses to wear it, it should be her choice.
Immigration brings lots of practices that were not common here. As long as they are legal and don't cause damage, they should be allowed...who wants to live in a dictative society?
There is no comparison in wearing an item of clothing and mutilating children.
Anonymous said
Jun 8 2:27 AM, 2025
Syl what do you think of when Islamic ladies have to don a black sheet( i'm guessing sheet is not the correct name for the garment!) and are covered from head to toe? I agree we shouldn't stop Muslim ladies wearing a Burqa if they so wish ( as long as it isn't being forced upon them ) but being covered head to toe is not just totally impractical but extremist and a symbol of misogyny in my view. None of this is cited in Islamic doctrine as Digger said, the covering of the female body has been invented by men as an implement of control. I just wondered what you think.
Magica said
Jun 8 3:45 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
A face covering does'nt reduce a person to an object. You might not like it, but if the woman chooses to wear it, it should be her choice. Immigration brings lots of practices that were not common here. As long as they are legal and don't cause damage, they should be allowed...who wants to live in a dictative society?
There is no comparison in wearing an item of clothing and mutilating children.
Don't agree. It is not our custom here, so shouldn't be allowed.
I hope it's banned as It is in some other European countries.
Anonymous said
Jun 8 6:59 AM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Don't agree. It is not our custom here, so shouldn't be allowed.
It's customary to drink tea in Britain, so should drinking coffee not be allowed?
How about wearing a Stetson hat?
Digger said
Jun 8 8:46 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
A face covering does'nt reduce a person to an object. You might not like it, but if the woman chooses to wear it, it should be her choice. Immigration brings lots of practices that were not common here. As long as they are legal and don't cause damage, they should be allowed...who wants to live in a dictative society?
There is no comparison in wearing an item of clothing and mutilating children.
Women in Iran are fighting hard to be free of the face veil and hijab. Women have died in 'honour' killings for refusing to comply.
What that awful story below highlights is the male oppression of females in Islam. It should have no part in our society, and the burqa is the ultimate misogynistic and controlling device that sums it all up. Meanwhile the age old argument of women choose to wear it is bullshit.
The punishment for not wearing the hijab or burqa is not explicitly outlined in Islamic teachings. Yet the familial shame and fury it brings down on the heads of those who don't want to is what keeps women stuck in the delusion it's her choice. A typical psychological coping mechanism to abuse.
Horrific details of an alleged mass honour killing emerged in a crowded Ontario courtroom last week: Three young sisters and their polygamous father’s first wife were murdered in the name of religious purity, according to the Crown prosecutor: A staged car accident, plotted and executed, allegedly by the father, mother and brother of 19-year-old Zainab, 17-year-old Sahar, and 13-year-old Gheeti Shafia, whose reportedly brazen refusal to comply with the traditions imposed on Afghan females so polluted the family’s honour that only death could remove its taint. In the chilling words of the girls’ father, Mohammad Shafia, “They betrayed Islam” by consorting with boys, posing seductively for cell phone photographs, and refusing to wear the hijab.
Digger said
Jun 8 8:48 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Don't agree. It is not our custom here, so shouldn't be allowed.
It's customary to drink tea in Britain, so should drinking coffee not be allowed?
How about wearing a Stetson hat?
Please put forth an intelligent argument instead of this silly drivel.
Digger said
Jun 8 8:50 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
A face covering does'nt reduce a person to an object. You might not like it, but if the woman chooses to wear it, it should be her choice. Immigration brings lots of practices that were not common here. As long as they are legal and don't cause damage, they should be allowed...who wants to live in a dictative society?
There is no comparison in wearing an item of clothing and mutilating children.
That is the exact answer to the burqa.
Anonymous said
Jun 8 9:06 AM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Don't agree. It is not our custom here, so shouldn't be allowed.
It's customary to drink tea in Britain, so should drinking coffee not be allowed?
How about wearing a Stetson hat?
Please put forth an intelligent argument instead of this silly drivel.
Do you think the argument that if X is not a British custom it follows that X should be disallowed is a sound one?
Vam said
Jun 8 10:15 AM, 2025
Most muslim women wear their burqas to avoid getting the living shit beat out of them at home.
But many choose to wear their burqas as a defiant/performative FU to other women and to the world in general.
For security reasons I believe all full face coverings and voluminous burqa style robes should be banned when out in public. But other than that, it’s easy to compromise if ’modesty’ is a religious priority. After all, we don’t bat an eyelid when we see fully-garbed nuns among us.
Vam said
Jun 8 10:42 AM, 2025
… and as an aside, I’ve never understood the ‘modesty’ contradictions I’ve seen in countries like Dubai and Abu Dhabi (which makes LMAO every time 😂).
Women wearing their hijabs, paired with tight, butt-enhancing skinny jeans and stilettos.
So, tottering around and swinging their arses for all the world to see - no prob! But assuming the sight of a single strand of their hair could drive men into a wild sexual frenzy - 😱 that’s ‘haram!!’
-- Edited by Vam on Sunday 8th of June 2025 10:46:52 AM
Red Okktober said
Jun 8 10:52 AM, 2025
I think they are ugly things and don't belong in a Western society. We shouldn't be subject to having faceless people living among us.
it's also a gradual erosion of our culture - a burqa here , a mosque there, and before we know it, parts of the country will start to resemble downtown Tehran, as has happened in Holland.
I would imagine the trade off for a burqa-wearing woman is that she doesn't have to spend much time getting ready to go out. A lot of them seem to wear heavy eye makeup though - it's the only thing they have to do, so might get a bit carried away.
We will, if we don't stop burkas. They are medieval, men controlling women. Not part of their religion.
Some women will say they want to wear the burqa, if it's their choice, who are we to say they cant?
I think they should be banned if driving a car, entering a bank or similar, in schools, and if an employer doesn't think they are suitable to be worn in the workplace...so be it. If someone feels more comfortable wearing them in some situations, like has been said, we are a free country.
Correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t helmets banned due to security/safety issues?…I vaguely remember concerns being raised somewhere at sometime.
I think they were, and I can understand why. If a face should be visible for security or safety issues, that should include women removing their burkas.
I remember one woman refused to remove hers in court, she cited religious reasons, but there were pics of her on social media wearing western clothes.
There will always be someone with an agenda trying to make a point at the expense of others.
It appears the increase in capital gains tax has had the opposite result than was intended
Because it covers the most important part of a person's body. The part we communicate with. It takes away individuality and reduces a person to an object. And as it's a garment of female oppression it should be banned. Because women have equal rights here. Female circumcision is part of certain cultures too but we ban that here.
When you live in a host country you integrate or leave. I wouldn't go live in Pakistan and not expect to cover up if that was expected of me.
Anyway, there's nothing that says it's mandatory in Islam to wear a face covering but women do because they are expected to by the men in their lives. It's probably the most misogynistic garment outside of a chastity belt.
Some years ago I visited Cairo and we went to a nightclub. There was a couple in there, both young, him in shirt and pants, and her covered from head to toe in black with just a slit for her eyes. She also wore gloves. She kept glancing over at us, we were wearing normal clothes. When their meal came - clubs in Cairo are not like our nightclubs here - she had to keep passing the food under the face covering. It was vile watching a young woman subjugated to such a degree she couldn't even eat normally.
You might not like it, but if the woman chooses to wear it, it should be her choice.
Immigration brings lots of practices that were not common here. As long as they are legal and don't cause damage, they should be allowed...who wants to live in a dictative society?
There is no comparison in wearing an item of clothing and mutilating children.
Don't agree. It is not our custom here, so shouldn't be allowed.
I hope it's banned as It is in some other European countries.
It's customary to drink tea in Britain, so should drinking coffee not be allowed?
How about wearing a Stetson hat?
Women in Iran are fighting hard to be free of the face veil and hijab. Women have died in 'honour' killings for refusing to comply.
What that awful story below highlights is the male oppression of females in Islam. It should have no part in our society, and the burqa is the ultimate misogynistic and controlling device that sums it all up. Meanwhile the age old argument of women choose to wear it is bullshit.
The punishment for not wearing the hijab or burqa is not explicitly outlined in Islamic teachings. Yet the familial shame and fury it brings down on the heads of those who don't want to is what keeps women stuck in the delusion it's her choice. A typical psychological coping mechanism to abuse.
Horrific details of an alleged mass honour killing emerged in a crowded Ontario courtroom last week: Three young sisters and their polygamous father’s first wife were murdered in the name of religious purity, according to the Crown prosecutor: A staged car accident, plotted and executed, allegedly by the father, mother and brother of 19-year-old Zainab, 17-year-old Sahar, and 13-year-old Gheeti Shafia, whose reportedly brazen refusal to comply with the traditions imposed on Afghan females so polluted the family’s honour that only death could remove its taint. In the chilling words of the girls’ father, Mohammad Shafia, “They betrayed Islam” by consorting with boys, posing seductively for cell phone photographs, and refusing to wear the hijab.
Please put forth an intelligent argument instead of this silly drivel.
That is the exact answer to the burqa.
Do you think the argument that if X is not a British custom it follows that X should be disallowed is a sound one?
Most muslim women wear their burqas to avoid getting the living shit beat out of them at home.
But many choose to wear their burqas as a defiant/performative FU to other women and to the world in general.
For security reasons I believe all full face coverings and voluminous burqa style robes should be banned when out in public. But other than that, it’s easy to compromise if ’modesty’ is a religious priority. After all, we don’t bat an eyelid when we see fully-garbed nuns among us.
… and as an aside, I’ve never understood the ‘modesty’ contradictions I’ve seen in countries like Dubai and Abu Dhabi (which makes LMAO every time 😂).
Women wearing their hijabs, paired with tight, butt-enhancing skinny jeans and stilettos.
So, tottering around and swinging their arses for all the world to see - no prob! But assuming the sight of a single strand of their hair could drive men into a wild sexual frenzy - 😱 that’s ‘haram!!’
-- Edited by Vam on Sunday 8th of June 2025 10:46:52 AM
it's also a gradual erosion of our culture - a burqa here , a mosque there, and before we know it, parts of the country will start to resemble downtown Tehran, as has happened in Holland.
I would imagine the trade off for a burqa-wearing woman is that she doesn't have to spend much time getting ready to go out. A lot of them seem to wear heavy eye makeup though - it's the only thing they have to do, so might get a bit carried away.