Do you agree that, in some instances and for the greater good, it’s probably better for the people not to know?
Once you start hiding the truth for the greater good, you start a dangerous precedent..
Okay, does that also apply in cases where self-proclaimed ‘citizen journalists‘, who swarm all over social media, clamour to be kept fully informed on matters involving national security?
I‘m totally with you (and Avon) on the Epstein List, of course. ALL bets are off when it’s about sexually abused kids. Whether the list includes trump, Clinton, or any other public figure, those victims deserve the truth to be made public and for everyone involved to be held accountable.
I hope Musk will ultimately reveal everything he seems so sure he knows.
-- Edited by Vam on Monday 7th of July 2025 10:14:53 PM
Barksdale said
Jul 9 12:33 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
I hope Musk will ultimately reveal everything he seems so sure he knows.
He's beginning to get on my nerves. He either knows firsthand that the Epstein files / client list exists and who is on it, and should say so, or stop throwing out random names of people he doesn't like.
Trump is being his usual delusional self when it comes to the issue as well. He wants people to move on. He must have missed a section of the American public who have been going on about a satanic peadophile ring who controls the government for well over decade and want answers. Does he think they are just going to take their ball and go home because he says so?
Vam said
Jul 9 3:17 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
I hope Musk will ultimately reveal everything he seems so sure he knows.
He's beginning to get on my nerves. He either knows firsthand that the Epstein files / client list exists and who is on it, and should say so, or stop throwing out random names of people he doesn't like.
Trump is being his usual delusional self when it comes to the issue as well. He wants people to move on. He must have missed a section of the American public who have been going on about a satanic peadophile ring who controls the government for well over decade and want answers. Does he think they are just going to take their ball and go home because he says so?
I hear you. Me too. I‘m sure you know the saying that ends with ‘…. or get off the pot’.
Maybe he’s strategically timing whatever damning stuff he wants to reveal, to coincide with the setting up of his new ‘America Party’? Then he’ll release all the gory details, as a potential game-changer to campaign on in the run-up to the midterms?
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 9th of July 2025 04:02:29 PM
Anonymous said
Jul 9 3:44 PM, 2025
He's planning on visiting his new golf course in Scotland this month. Should be fun - I'm sure he'll get a warm welcome...
Maddog said
Jul 9 5:19 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
I hope Musk will ultimately reveal everything he seems so sure he knows.
He's beginning to get on my nerves. He either knows firsthand that the Epstein files / client list exists and who is on it, and should say so, or stop throwing out random names of people he doesn't like.
Trump is being his usual delusional self when it comes to the issue as well. He wants people to move on. He must have missed a section of the American public who have been going on about a satanic peadophile ring who controls the government for well over decade and want answers. Does he think they are just going to take their ball and go home because he says so?
I don't think he really knows. I think he heard second hand that the list existed and assumed it to be true and has made some assumptions about why the list hasn't been revealed (like most of us).
I'm beginning to think either the list never really existed or it did and has long since been destroyed..
But there has been some grumbling from Trump supporters. They love talking about the "deep state" and how their boy was going to expose it. Now they think he might be part of it (whatever "it" is?)..
Anonymous said
Jul 10 12:34 PM, 2025
Oh dear.
Anonymous said
Jul 11 12:21 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Oh dear.
Trump the Chump. He really is a brainless idiot. “Beautiful language”
Fluffy said
Jul 13 5:01 PM, 2025
So he's at it again. Threatening, no promising, to ruin the global economy with a 30% tariff on the EU and Mexico. Apparently the EU deserves this for ignoring the American's in agriculture... I won't pretend to understand that(!)
What I DO sadly understand is that the Orange sociopath doesn't care that his own people pay for all these ludicrous needless tariffs. I don't think he actually views life through the normal lens the rest of us do. He doesn't realise he is playing about with real people's lives and jobs..Or if he does, he certainly couldn't care less. He is committed to having tariff wars and causing a great deal of anxiety for his own people. Is he bored this week?
Why don't his advisors tell him how disastrous this would be for all involved instead of brown nosing? The only saving grace is the UK is not involved but who knows how long that will last..
Maddog said
Jul 13 5:17 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
So he's at it again. Threatening, no promising, to ruin the global economy with a 30% tariff on the EU and Mexico. Apparently the EU deserves this for ignoring the American's in agriculture... I won't pretend to understand that(!)
What I DO sadly understand is that the Orange sociopath doesn't care that his own people pay for all these ludicrous needless tariffs. I don't think he actually views life through the normal lens the rest of us do. He doesn't realise he is playing about with real people's lives and jobs..Or if he does, he certainly couldn't care less. He is committed to having tariff wars and causing a great deal of anxiety for his own people. Is he bored this week?
Why don't his advisors tell him how disastrous this would be for all involved instead of brown nosing? The only saving grace is the UK is not involved but who knows how long that will last..
When scrolling through X, I often check out the ‘Canada Hates Trump’ account.
Good to see traditionally easygoing amicable Canadians doing their ‘🤬Elbows Up!🤬’ thing 😂
” Hey Fuckface, not only do Democrats hate you, the entire world hates your fucking guts. And let me be clear: the world doesn’t hate America. We specifically hate YOU, your family the GOP and MAGA and we hate what you’ve done to your country.”
” Wrong Fuckface: Your country was respected under Biden. Your fucking clown show of a regime has made America a worldwide laughingstock. You are a global embarrassment.”
“Sure, Fuckface, America’s the “hottest“ country alright: a full-blown dumpster fire with a side of flaming sewage. The world doesn’t take you seriously because you’re a convicted felon & rapist, plus you have the IQ of a hamster.“
Vam said
Jul 14 12:12 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
So he's at it again. Threatening, no promising, to ruin the global economy with a 30% tariff on the EU and Mexico. Apparently the EU deserves this for ignoring the American's in agriculture... I won't pretend to understand that(!)
What I DO sadly understand is that the Orange sociopath doesn't care that his own people pay for all these ludicrous needless tariffs. I don't think he actually views life through the normal lens the rest of us do. He doesn't realise he is playing about with real people's lives and jobs..Or if he does, he certainly couldn't care less. He is committed to having tariff wars and causing a great deal of anxiety for his own people. Is he bored this week?
Why don't his advisors tell him how disastrous this would be for all involved instead of brown nosing? The only saving grace is the UK is not involved but who knows how long that will last..
He fires advisors that don't agree with him..
‘All is the fear, and nothing is the love.’ ~ Macbeth, Act 4 Scene 2
Digger said
Jul 14 3:44 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
When scrolling through X, I often check out the ‘Canada Hates Trump’ account.
Good to see traditionally easygoing amicable Canadians doing their ‘🤬Elbows Up!🤬’ thing 😂
” Hey Fuckface, not only do Democrats hate you, the entire world hates your fucking guts. And let me be clear: the world doesn’t hate America. We specifically hate YOU, your family the GOP and MAGA and we hate what you’ve done to your country.”
” Wrong Fuckface: Your country was respected under Biden. Your fucking clown show of a regime has made America a worldwide laughingstock. You are a global embarrassment.”
“Sure, Fuckface, America’s the “hottest“ country alright: a full-blown dumpster fire with a side of flaming sewage. The world doesn’t take you seriously because you’re a convicted felon & rapist, plus you have the IQ of a hamster.“
TDS definitely exists
Maddog said
Jul 14 3:49 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
When scrolling through X, I often check out the ‘Canada Hates Trump’ account.
Good to see traditionally easygoing amicable Canadians doing their ‘🤬Elbows Up!🤬’ thing 😂
” Hey Fuckface, not only do Democrats hate you, the entire world hates your fucking guts. And let me be clear: the world doesn’t hate America. We specifically hate YOU, your family the GOP and MAGA and we hate what you’ve done to your country.”
” Wrong Fuckface: Your country was respected under Biden. Your fucking clown show of a regime has made America a worldwide laughingstock. You are a global embarrassment.”
“Sure, Fuckface, America’s the “hottest“ country alright: a full-blown dumpster fire with a side of flaming sewage. The world doesn’t take you seriously because you’re a convicted felon & rapist, plus you have the IQ of a hamster.“
TDS definitely exists
Mark Cuban, who is a very wealthy and a fairly intelligent man was talking about this yesterday (he was also considered for VP on the Harris ticket).
Talking (obsessing) about Trump incessantly isn't a viable plan to change hearts and minds.
Vam said
Jul 14 5:10 PM, 2025
‘Talking (obsessing) about Trump incessantly isn't a viable plan to change hearts and minds.’
@ Mr. Lack of Self Awareness.… I’m no more trying to change hearts and minds than you seem to be doing in your countless - and sometimes browbeating - posts in the Health thread. Each to their own, Dawg. Always.
I post on-topic observations plus stuff I see elsewhere - in a thread I didn’t start. I’m sure as hell not badgering anyone to read or agree with what I’m posting. Everyone’s free to scroll on by 🤷🏻♀️
Vam said
Jul 14 5:19 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
When scrolling through X, I often check out the ‘Canada Hates Trump’ account.
Good to see traditionally easygoing amicable Canadians doing their ‘🤬Elbows Up!🤬’ thing 😂
” Hey Fuckface, not only do Democrats hate you, the entire world hates your fucking guts. And let me be clear: the world doesn’t hate America. We specifically hate YOU, your family the GOP and MAGA and we hate what you’ve done to your country.”
” Wrong Fuckface: Your country was respected under Biden. Your fucking clown show of a regime has made America a worldwide laughingstock. You are a global embarrassment.”
“Sure, Fuckface, America’s the “hottest“ country alright: a full-blown dumpster fire with a side of flaming sewage. The world doesn’t take you seriously because you’re a convicted felon & rapist, plus you have the IQ of a hamster.“
TDS definitely exists
If you mean me, yep I’ve never denied it! I truly do see him as a demonic entity in human form.
If you mean Canadians (in this context), I think they say it best …
re TDS 👉🏻 “Kinda hard not to when your orange leader is threatening to annex us.”
But of course, if you/Syl feel I’m trump-spamming too much, just give me a heads-up and I’ll stop.
Maddog said
Jul 14 5:32 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
‘Talking (obsessing) about Trump incessantly isn't a viable plan to change hearts and minds.’
@ Mr. Lack of Self Awareness.… I’m no more trying to change hearts and minds than you seem to be doing in your countless - and sometimes browbeating - posts in the Health thread. Each to their own, Dawg. Always.
I post on-topic observations plus stuff I see elsewhere - in a thread I didn’t start. I’m sure as hell not badgering anyone to read or agree with what I’m posting. Everyone’s free to scroll on by 🤷🏻♀️
I didn't necessarily mean you. Cuban was talking to/about democratic leadership and how they are messing up. I guess loyal democrats that constantly blast on social media probably aren't helping either. I guess from a personal perspective I see the problems with Trump but see the major opposition as a bit crazy, in a different fashion..
You, on the other hand, are just venting which is part of what forums are for. Trump gives people plenty to talk about no doubt.
Now go to the gym..👍
Vam said
Jul 14 5:47 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
‘Talking (obsessing) about Trump incessantly isn't a viable plan to change hearts and minds.’
@ Mr. Lack of Self Awareness.… I’m no more trying to change hearts and minds than you seem to be doing in your countless - and sometimes browbeating - posts in the Health thread. Each to their own, Dawg. Always.
I post on-topic observations plus stuff I see elsewhere - in a thread I didn’t start. I’m sure as hell not badgering anyone to read or agree with what I’m posting. Everyone’s free to scroll on by 🤷🏻♀️
I didn't necessarily mean you. Cuban was talking to/about democratic leadership and how they are messing up. I guess loyal democrats that constantly blast on social media probably aren't helping either. I guess from a personal perspective I see the problems with Trump but see the major opposition as a bit crazy, in a different fashion..
You, on the other hand, are just venting which is part of what forums are for. Trump gives people plenty to talk about no doubt.
Now go to the gym..👍
Apology accepted 😜😂
I agree with the rest of your post, apart from the ‘gym‘ part
Went for a ride for the first time in ages today. Parts of me I never knew existed are aching like hell. But that’s a good thing, right?
Maddog said
Jul 14 6:21 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
‘Talking (obsessing) about Trump incessantly isn't a viable plan to change hearts and minds.’
@ Mr. Lack of Self Awareness.… I’m no more trying to change hearts and minds than you seem to be doing in your countless - and sometimes browbeating - posts in the Health thread. Each to their own, Dawg. Always.
I post on-topic observations plus stuff I see elsewhere - in a thread I didn’t start. I’m sure as hell not badgering anyone to read or agree with what I’m posting. Everyone’s free to scroll on by 🤷🏻♀️
I didn't necessarily mean you. Cuban was talking to/about democratic leadership and how they are messing up. I guess loyal democrats that constantly blast on social media probably aren't helping either. I guess from a personal perspective I see the problems with Trump but see the major opposition as a bit crazy, in a different fashion..
You, on the other hand, are just venting which is part of what forums are for. Trump gives people plenty to talk about no doubt.
Now go to the gym..👍
Apology accepted 😜😂
I agree with the rest of your post, apart from the ‘gym‘ part
Went for a ride for the first time in ages today. Parts of me I never knew existed are aching like hell. But that’s a good thing, right?
It's only a good thing if you realize that you need to do it on a regular basis.
I still get sore now and then when I throw in something a little different or go very heavy..
And my knees ache every time I get up until about the 5th step. But the ache is non existent at the gym or on the bike
Barksdale said
Jul 14 6:56 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
If you mean me, yep I’ve never denied it! I truly do see him as a demonic entity in human form.
Okay, does that also apply in cases where self-proclaimed ‘citizen journalists‘, who swarm all over social media, clamour to be kept fully informed on matters involving national security?
I‘m totally with you (and Avon) on the Epstein List, of course. ALL bets are off when it’s about sexually abused kids. Whether the list includes trump, Clinton, or any other public figure, those victims deserve the truth to be made public and for everyone involved to be held accountable.
I hope Musk will ultimately reveal everything he seems so sure he knows.
-- Edited by Vam on Monday 7th of July 2025 10:14:53 PM
He's beginning to get on my nerves. He either knows firsthand that the Epstein files / client list exists and who is on it, and should say so, or stop throwing out random names of people he doesn't like.
Trump is being his usual delusional self when it comes to the issue as well. He wants people to move on. He must have missed a section of the American public who have been going on about a satanic peadophile ring who controls the government for well over decade and want answers. Does he think they are just going to take their ball and go home because he says so?
I hear you. Me too. I‘m sure you know the saying that ends with ‘…. or get off the pot’.
Maybe he’s strategically timing whatever damning stuff he wants to reveal, to coincide with the setting up of his new ‘America Party’? Then he’ll release all the gory details, as a potential game-changer to campaign on in the run-up to the midterms?
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 9th of July 2025 04:02:29 PM
He's planning on visiting his new golf course in Scotland this month. Should be fun - I'm sure he'll get a warm welcome...
I don't think he really knows. I think he heard second hand that the list existed and assumed it to be true and has made some assumptions about why the list hasn't been revealed (like most of us).
I'm beginning to think either the list never really existed or it did and has long since been destroyed..
But there has been some grumbling from Trump supporters. They love talking about the "deep state" and how their boy was going to expose it. Now they think he might be part of it (whatever "it" is?)..
Oh dear.
Trump the Chump. He really is a brainless idiot. “Beautiful language”
So he's at it again. Threatening, no promising, to ruin the global economy with a 30% tariff on the EU and Mexico. Apparently the EU deserves this for ignoring the American's in agriculture... I won't pretend to understand that(!)
What I DO sadly understand is that the Orange sociopath doesn't care that his own people pay for all these ludicrous needless tariffs. I don't think he actually views life through the normal lens the rest of us do. He doesn't realise he is playing about with real people's lives and jobs..Or if he does, he certainly couldn't care less. He is committed to having tariff wars and causing a great deal of anxiety for his own people. Is he bored this week?
Why don't his advisors tell him how disastrous this would be for all involved instead of brown nosing? The only saving grace is the UK is not involved but who knows how long that will last..
He fires advisors that don't agree with him..
😂🤣😂 (sorry, couldn’t resist!)
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGOa3bJJKL4/
When scrolling through X, I often check out the ‘Canada Hates Trump’ account.
Good to see traditionally easygoing amicable Canadians doing their ‘🤬Elbows Up!🤬’ thing 😂
” Hey Fuckface, not only do Democrats hate you, the entire world hates your fucking guts. And let me be clear: the world doesn’t hate America. We specifically hate YOU, your family the GOP and MAGA and we hate what you’ve done to your country.”
” Wrong Fuckface: Your country was respected under Biden. Your fucking clown show of a regime has made America a worldwide laughingstock. You are a global embarrassment.”
“Sure, Fuckface, America’s the “hottest“ country alright: a full-blown dumpster fire with a side of flaming sewage. The world doesn’t take you seriously because you’re a convicted felon & rapist, plus you have the IQ of a hamster.“
TDS definitely exists
Mark Cuban, who is a very wealthy and a fairly intelligent man was talking about this yesterday (he was also considered for VP on the Harris ticket).
Talking (obsessing) about Trump incessantly isn't a viable plan to change hearts and minds.
‘Talking (obsessing) about Trump incessantly isn't a viable plan to change hearts and minds.’
@ Mr. Lack of Self Awareness.… I’m no more trying to change hearts and minds than you seem to be doing in your countless - and sometimes browbeating - posts in the Health thread. Each to their own, Dawg. Always.
I post on-topic observations plus stuff I see elsewhere - in a thread I didn’t start. I’m sure as hell not badgering anyone to read or agree with what I’m posting. Everyone’s free to scroll on by 🤷🏻♀️
If you mean me, yep
I’ve never denied it! I truly do see him as a demonic entity in human form.
If you mean Canadians (in this context), I think they say it best …
re TDS 👉🏻 “Kinda hard not to when your orange leader is threatening to annex us.”
But of course, if you/Syl feel I’m trump-spamming too much, just give me a heads-up and I’ll stop.
I didn't necessarily mean you. Cuban was talking to/about democratic leadership and how they are messing up. I guess loyal democrats that constantly blast on social media probably aren't helping either. I guess from a personal perspective I see the problems with Trump but see the major opposition as a bit crazy, in a different fashion..
You, on the other hand, are just venting which is part of what forums are for. Trump gives people plenty to talk about no doubt.
Now go to the gym..👍
Apology accepted 😜😂
I agree with the rest of your post, apart from the ‘gym‘ part
Went for a ride for the first time in ages today. Parts of me I never knew existed are aching like hell. But that’s a good thing, right?
It's only a good thing if you realize that you need to do it on a regular basis.
I still get sore now and then when I throw in something a little different or go very heavy..
And my knees ache every time I get up until about the 5th step. But the ache is non existent at the gym or on the bike
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