It's in the US's interests to support because, as you know, a stable Europe directly benefits the US and secures its influence in the region.
You could say that about any region of the globe.
Are we supposed to pay for the defense of the entire planet?
Wherever the US has a vested interest.
We have interests everywhere.
Syl said
Mar 5 5:15 PM, 2025
Maddog, you are sounding more and more like Trump in some of the remarks you are making...I hope you don't also start dying your hair and self tanning too....
Maddog said
Mar 5 5:28 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog, you are sounding more and more like Trump in some of the remarks you are making...I hope you don't also start dying your hair and self tanning too....
Trump is sounding like me, not that I care.
I'm more interested in good ideas, not their source..
What makes Europe more of an American interest than any other region? It's not like the Soviet Union still exists..Russia is a third rate shit hole with a crap army..
Syl said
Mar 5 6:49 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog, you are sounding more and more like Trump in some of the remarks you are making...I hope you don't also start dying your hair and self tanning too....
Trump is sounding like me, not that I care.
I'm more interested in good ideas, not their source..
What makes Europe more of an American interest than any other region? It's not like the Soviet Union still exists..Russia is a third rate shit hole with a crap army..
With a despotic madman at the helm...a bit like the USA.
Maddog said
Mar 5 7:27 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog, you are sounding more and more like Trump in some of the remarks you are making...I hope you don't also start dying your hair and self tanning too....
Trump is sounding like me, not that I care.
I'm more interested in good ideas, not their source..
What makes Europe more of an American interest than any other region? It's not like the Soviet Union still exists..Russia is a third rate shit hole with a crap army..
With a despotic madman at the helm...a bit like the USA.
So? So do plenty of shit holes a lot closer to us.
There are 500 million Europeans that can handle Putin.
You got this..👍
-- Edited by Maddog on Wednesday 5th of March 2025 07:35:42 PM
Syl said
Mar 6 11:44 AM, 2025
Yes, arrangements are being made.
How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
Maddog said
Mar 6 2:14 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Yes, arrangements are being made.
How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
None of our allies have been attacked, and allies come and go as alliances change. What we do know is most of our allies were not allies as they didn't fulfill their military obligations..
Do you think he's going to bomb Hamburg?
Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
Syl said
Mar 6 4:02 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, arrangements are being made.
How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
None of our allies have been attacked, and allies come and go as alliances change. What we do know is most of our allies were not allies as they didn't fulfill their military obligations..
Do you think he's going to bomb Hamburg?
Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Ukraine has been attacked, Trump has switched sides.
He is meeting his 'good friend' Putin in secret, he is a traitor.
His latest threats aimed at the people of Gaza will no doubt further his 'Peacekeeper' image.....the man is insane.
Anonymous said
Mar 6 4:23 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, arrangements are being made.
How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
None of our allies have been attacked, and allies come and go as alliances change. What we do know is most of our allies were not allies as they didn't fulfill their military obligations..
Do you think he's going to bomb Hamburg?
Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Ukraine has been attacked, Trump has switched sides.
He is meeting his 'good friend' Putin in secret, he is a traitor.
His latest threats aimed at the people of Gaza will no doubt further his 'Peacekeeper' image.....the man is insane.
Is this real? It sounds like an enraged 9 year old penned it.
Barksdale said
Mar 6 4:46 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
Is that before or after you guys decide to stop funding Israel, make Canada your 51st state or make Greenland yours, one way or another?
It won't happen because being isolationist is not viable in today's world. You will continue to be involved, even if it is through the use of proxies.
Maddog said
Mar 6 5:01 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
Is that before or after you guys decide to stop funding Israel, make Canada your 51st state or make Greenland yours, one way or another?
It won't happen because being isolationist is not viable in today's world. You will continue to be involved, even if it is through the use of proxies.
I said hopefully..
I realize it's doubtful. Especially with Trump.
But I think the Swiss have done alright with their stance.
Maddog said
Mar 6 5:04 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, arrangements are being made.
How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
None of our allies have been attacked, and allies come and go as alliances change. What we do know is most of our allies were not allies as they didn't fulfill their military obligations..
Do you think he's going to bomb Hamburg?
Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Ukraine has been attacked, Trump has switched sides.
He is meeting his 'good friend' Putin in secret, he is a traitor.
His latest threats aimed at the people of Gaza will no doubt further his 'Peacekeeper' image.....the man is insane.
Is this real? It sounds like an enraged 9 year old penned it.
If we were allied with Ukraine, we should have defensed it with American soldiers in 2014 and again in 2022.
And any European country allied with Ukraine should have done the same..
Barksdale said
Mar 6 5:05 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
Is that before or after you guys decide to stop funding Israel, make Canada your 51st state or make Greenland yours, one way or another?
It won't happen because being isolationist is not viable in today's world. You will continue to be involved, even if it is through the use of proxies.
I said hopefully..
I realize it's doubtful. Especially with Trump.
But I think the Swiss have done alright with their stance.
I doubt we will see that in my lifetime unless your economic and cultural influence dramatically declines. You know what it means to be the toughest kid in the playground - everyone wants to fight you...
Maddog said
Mar 6 5:12 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
Is that before or after you guys decide to stop funding Israel, make Canada your 51st state or make Greenland yours, one way or another?
It won't happen because being isolationist is not viable in today's world. You will continue to be involved, even if it is through the use of proxies.
I said hopefully..
I realize it's doubtful. Especially with Trump.
But I think the Swiss have done alright with their stance.
I doubt we will see that in my lifetime unless your economic and cultural influence dramatically declines. You know what it means to be the toughest kid in the playground - everyone wants to fight you...
It wasn't that long ago (up until Dec 6, 1941), that we had that mentality.
Now we have assumed the role of world policeman and exporter of all that's good and decent. 🙄
And we are broke. That said, Trump is very inconsistent in why he's doing what he's doing. He lacks the temperament to use restraint when challenged. So every time we takes a step back, he takes one forward when challenged.
Barksdale said
Mar 6 5:15 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
And we are broke. That said, Trump is very inconsistent in why he's doing what he's doing. He lacks the temperament to use restraint when challenged. So every time we takes a step back, he takes one forward when challenged.
Trump is BS merchant of the highest order, that is abundantly obvious.
In any event, I wish your country the best of luck. I think the US is a net positive for the world. It's about time my attention was on the UK and how my family, friends and the people I care about are going to deal with the next few years...
Maddog said
Mar 6 5:23 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
And we are broke. That said, Trump is very inconsistent in why he's doing what he's doing. He lacks the temperament to use restraint when challenged. So every time we takes a step back, he takes one forward when challenged.
Trump is BS merchant of the highest order, that is abundantly obvious.
In any event, I wish your country the best of luck. I think the US is a net positive for the world. It's about time my attention was on the UK and how my family, friends and the people I care about are going to deal with the next few years...
He's a salesman, not a statesman. I get that he's obnoxious. I have to stay focused on what the idea is, and not the jackass implementing it..
That said, the status quo was untenable. I guess he could be worse, but I'm not sure how.
Read what the Polish PM has been saying. He has the correct attitude. He sounds like Churchill.
Anonymous said
Mar 6 5:48 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, arrangements are being made.
How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
None of our allies have been attacked, and allies come and go as alliances change. What we do know is most of our allies were not allies as they didn't fulfill their military obligations..
Do you think he's going to bomb Hamburg?
Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Ukraine has been attacked, Trump has switched sides.
He is meeting his 'good friend' Putin in secret, he is a traitor.
His latest threats aimed at the people of Gaza will no doubt further his 'Peacekeeper' image.....the man is insane.
Is this real? It sounds like an enraged 9 year old penned it.
If we were allied with Ukraine, we should have defensed it with American soldiers in 2014 and again in 2022.
And any European country allied with Ukraine should have done the same..
I don’t know how this is related to my post.
He is, supposedly, the most powerful bloke on earth and here he is sounding like a kid threatening to take back his ball“…if you don’t do as I say”…”If you do, you are DEAD!”. Does he not sound childish to you? I thought it was a spoof at first, someone taking the Mickey. Does he not have a PR dept?
Maddog said
Mar 6 6:12 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, arrangements are being made.
How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
None of our allies have been attacked, and allies come and go as alliances change. What we do know is most of our allies were not allies as they didn't fulfill their military obligations..
Do you think he's going to bomb Hamburg?
Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Ukraine has been attacked, Trump has switched sides.
He is meeting his 'good friend' Putin in secret, he is a traitor.
His latest threats aimed at the people of Gaza will no doubt further his 'Peacekeeper' image.....the man is insane.
Is this real? It sounds like an enraged 9 year old penned it.
If we were allied with Ukraine, we should have defensed it with American soldiers in 2014 and again in 2022.
And any European country allied with Ukraine should have done the same..
I don’t know how this is related to my post.
He is, supposedly, the most powerful bloke on earth and here he is sounding like a kid threatening to take back his ball“…if you don’t do as I say”…”If you do, you are DEAD!”. Does he not sound childish to you? I thought it was a spoof at first, someone taking the Mickey. Does he not have a PR dept?
You said America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Then you went on to discuss his threats to Hamas, which are childish sounding no doubt.
That said.....
How have the more diplomatic comments directed towards Hamas worked?
You could say that about any region of the globe.
Are we supposed to pay for the defense of the entire planet?
Wherever the US has a vested interest.
We have interests everywhere.
Maddog, you are sounding more and more like Trump in some of the remarks you are making...I hope you don't also start dying your hair and self tanning too....
Trump is sounding like me, not that I care.
I'm more interested in good ideas, not their source..
What makes Europe more of an American interest than any other region? It's not like the Soviet Union still exists..Russia is a third rate shit hole with a crap army..
With a despotic madman at the helm...a bit like the USA.
So? So do plenty of shit holes a lot closer to us.
There are 500 million Europeans that can handle Putin.
You got this..👍
-- Edited by Maddog on Wednesday 5th of March 2025 07:35:42 PM
How will you Americans handle a president who has turned out to be a traitor to his allies?
None of our allies have been attacked, and allies come and go as alliances change. What we do know is most of our allies were not allies as they didn't fulfill their military obligations..
Do you think he's going to bomb Hamburg?
Hopefully, we become more like Switzerland, which is how we were designed until WW2..
America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Ukraine has been attacked, Trump has switched sides.
He is meeting his 'good friend' Putin in secret, he is a traitor.
His latest threats aimed at the people of Gaza will no doubt further his 'Peacekeeper' image.....the man is insane.
Is this real? It sounds like an enraged 9 year old penned it.
Is that before or after you guys decide to stop funding Israel, make Canada your 51st state or make Greenland yours, one way or another?
It won't happen because being isolationist is not viable in today's world. You will continue to be involved, even if it is through the use of proxies.
I said hopefully..
I realize it's doubtful. Especially with Trump.
But I think the Swiss have done alright with their stance.
If we were allied with Ukraine, we should have defensed it with American soldiers in 2014 and again in 2022.
And any European country allied with Ukraine should have done the same..
I doubt we will see that in my lifetime unless your economic and cultural influence dramatically declines. You know what it means to be the toughest kid in the playground - everyone wants to fight you...
It wasn't that long ago (up until Dec 6, 1941), that we had that mentality.
Now we have assumed the role of world policeman and exporter of all that's good and decent. 🙄
And we are broke. That said, Trump is very inconsistent in why he's doing what he's doing. He lacks the temperament to use restraint when challenged. So every time we takes a step back, he takes one forward when challenged.
Trump is BS merchant of the highest order, that is abundantly obvious.
In any event, I wish your country the best of luck. I think the US is a net positive for the world. It's about time my attention was on the UK and how my family, friends and the people I care about are going to deal with the next few years...
He's a salesman, not a statesman. I get that he's obnoxious. I have to stay focused on what the idea is, and not the jackass implementing it..
That said, the status quo was untenable. I guess he could be worse, but I'm not sure how.
Read what the Polish PM has been saying. He has the correct attitude. He sounds like Churchill.
I don’t know how this is related to my post.
He is, supposedly, the most powerful bloke on earth and here he is sounding like a kid threatening to take back his ball“…if you don’t do as I say”…”If you do, you are DEAD!”. Does he not sound childish to you? I thought it was a spoof at first, someone taking the Mickey. Does he not have a PR dept?
You said America and Ukraine have been allies for decades.
Then you went on to discuss his threats to Hamas, which are childish sounding no doubt.
That said.....
How have the more diplomatic comments directed towards Hamas worked?