I'm also certain the equally nonsensical conspiracy theory that Biden ordered the hit is equally as wrong...
Vam said
Jul 16 9:51 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
A helpful video
… <sigh> …
Why no official medical report from the hospital that treated him - just a statement released on a congressman’s official letterhead? That would be trump‘s pill-popping boozehound stooge, btw - whose licence to practice medicine was revoked years ago - and who is now serving in congress.
What was poured over the “2cm blown off” part of trump’s ear, to make it grow back so fast? MiracleGro??
How come the agent on trump’s left (in the image up there 👆) wasn’t at least suspended for leaving trump so exposed to a possible 2nd sniper? Instead, we‘ve seen him prominently at trump’s side ever since the Butler incident.
Why is it wrong to question the motives of a sociopathic, Mobbed-up, scamming, pathologically lying, 34-times indicted felon and adjudicated sexual abuser/rapist?
👇🏻👇🏻
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 16th of July 2025 10:04:03 AM
Why no official medical report from the hospital that treated him - just a statement released on a congressman’s official letterhead? That would be trump‘s pill-popping boozehound stooge, btw - whose licence to practice medicine was revoked years ago - and who is now serving in congress.
What was poured over the “2cm blown off” part of trump’s ear, to make it grow back so fast? MiracleGro??
How come the agent on trump’s left (in the image up there 👆) wasn’t at least suspended for leaving trump so exposed to a possible 2nd sniper? Instead, we‘ve seen him prominently at trump’s side ever since the Butler incident.
Why is it wrong to question the motives of a sociopathic, Mobbed-up, scamming, pathologically lying, 34-times indicted felon and adjudicated sexual abuser/rapist?
👇🏻👇🏻
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 16th of July 2025 10:04:03 AM
Is it seriously being suggested that the shooter was hired by Trump? That a bit of a kid was such a good shot that he was able to actually nick Trump's ear deliberately? I don't know much about firearms, but even I can appreciate that such a scheme would be way too risky for getting your brains blown out.
Syl said
Jul 16 11:43 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
I think there was a white Fiat leaving the scene too..
Did you never wonder why, after so many people saw the "shooter" ... even when they made a big noise about there being someone on the roof... for several minutes... he was still allowed to shimmy into position and take shots at Trump??
No...I bet you never gave it a second thought.
A couple of people saw him and alerted local police. They confronted him.
If this was a conspiracy you would never rely on the local police to keep their mouths shut..
Why do you see conspiracies in so many events that involve the death or attempted death of someone?
You give these people too much credit.
A small crowd of people were pointing and screaming at police and social services, who were watching them, that an armed man was crawling along the roof. There are plenty vids to show this. I post a video of a man who was in that group, telling a reporter exactly what he saw.
If this assasination attempt was genuine, all I can say is, your police and social services make the Keystone Cops look well managed and efficient.
Vam said
Jul 16 12:12 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
A small crowd of people were pointing and screaming at police and social services, who were watching them, that an armed man was crawling along the roof. There are plenty vids to show this. I post a video of a man who was in that group, telling a reporter exactly what he saw.
If this assasination attempt was genuine, all I can say is, your police and social services make the Keystone Cops look well managed and efficient.
This ☝🏻
It’s also relevant to point out that there were official Security Services snipers positioned on rooftops within the vicinity of the kid and his gun, and presumably within their line of vision.
Which leads me to again ask one of the several unanswered questions I’ve already posted: A kid with a gun was seen to be crawling across a rooftop, and was clearly visible to several onlookers at the event. Why wasn’t that fact ALONE enough of a reason to delay the start of the rally, until the site could be secured?
@ Diggs: It’s not just me questioning how things went down. It’s all over social media. I’ve seen you say you sometimes check out X, for example. Have you not noticed people there doubting that it was a legit assassination attempt?
But I freely admit that my bias against the Felon in Chief convinces me that there is absolutely no dirty deed or chicanery I would put past him 🤷🏻♀️
Barksdale said
Jul 16 2:06 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
But I freely admit that my bias against the Felon in Chief convinces me that there is absolutely no dirty deed or chicanery I would put past him 🤷🏻♀️
I think we need to use Hanlon's razor in this situation: never put down to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
There evidently were secret service failings but that was more negligence than deliberate to stage an assassination attempt in my opinion. The level of timing and precision to pull off a shot which simply grazed Trump's ear rather than took him out seems inplausible for a situation with constantly changing circumstances like the rally. In addition at least one MAGA supporter was killed and two critically injured. I wouldn't put a lot passed Trump to do but whacking his own supporters for his own ends seems a bit much, even for him.
Vam said
Jul 16 3:10 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
But I freely admit that my bias against the Felon in Chief convinces me that there is absolutely no dirty deed or chicanery I would put past him 🤷🏻♀️
I think we need to use Hanlon's razor in this situation: never put down to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
There evidently were secret service failings but that was more negligence than deliberate to stage an assassination attempt in my opinion. The level of timing and precision to pull off a shot which simply grazed Trump's ear rather than took him out seems inplausible for a situation with constantly changing circumstances like the rally. In addition at least one MAGA supporter was killed and two critically injured. I wouldn't put a lot passed Trump to do but whacking his own supporters for his own ends seems a bit much, even for him.
I’m not saying he deliberately intended for others to be harmed.
Avon, you and others could be right, of course. I guess we can agree that the whole chain of events stinks to high heaven.
But given the several unanswered questions I’ve mentioned, added to my firm belief that he truly doesn’t GAF about anyone’s wellbeing other than his own, I still stand by the part of my post you quoted.
Maddog said
Jul 16 4:11 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
A helpful video
… <sigh> …
Why no official medical report from the hospital that treated him - just a statement released on a congressman’s official letterhead? That would be trump‘s pill-popping boozehound stooge, btw - whose licence to practice medicine was revoked years ago - and who is now serving in congress.
What was poured over the “2cm blown off” part of trump’s ear, to make it grow back so fast? MiracleGro??
How come the agent on trump’s left (in the image up there 👆) wasn’t at least suspended for leaving trump so exposed to a possible 2nd sniper? Instead, we‘ve seen him prominently at trump’s side ever since the Butler incident.
Why is it wrong to question the motives of a sociopathic, Mobbed-up, scamming, pathologically lying, 34-times indicted felon and adjudicated sexual abuser/rapist?
👇🏻👇🏻
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 16th of July 2025 10:04:03 AM
Is it seriously being suggested that the shooter was hired by Trump? That a bit of a kid was such a good shot that he was able to actually nick Trump's ear deliberately? I don't know much about firearms, but even I can appreciate that such a scheme would be way too risky for getting your brains blown out.
Exactly.
If you want to wear a tin foil hat, Biden ordered it and his secret service allowed the guy to get off 8 shots..
But I don't believe that because too many people would have to be involved..
The one underlying message we get from government is that it's usually incompetent, not diabolical..
Maddog said
Jul 16 4:23 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
But I freely admit that my bias against the Felon in Chief convinces me that there is absolutely no dirty deed or chicanery I would put past him 🤷🏻♀️
I think we need to use Hanlon's razor in this situation: never put down to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
There evidently were secret service failings but that was more negligence than deliberate to stage an assassination attempt in my opinion. The level of timing and precision to pull off a shot which simply grazed Trump's ear rather than took him out seems inplausible for a situation with constantly changing circumstances like the rally. In addition at least one MAGA supporter was killed and two critically injured. I wouldn't put a lot passed Trump to do but whacking his own supporters for his own ends seems a bit much, even for him.
Correct..
These whirlwind campaign stops are done on the fly. The locals are supposed to work with the Secret Service, but they really haven't practiced together. The local cops of Butler were in charge of securing that building. They were actually inside of the building until they were told to go outside and check out the guy on the roof..
Syl said
Jul 16 7:13 PM, 2025
So we are settling for the theory that police and secret services of the USA are very akin to the Keystone cops then? ... OK.
Maddog said
Jul 17 5:10 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
So we are settling for the theory that police and secret services of the USA are very akin to the Keystone cops then? ... OK.
They can be. They did fire the head of the Secret Service because like many government leaders, she was incompetent.
Unless you're a conspiracy theorist and in that case, she was a fall guy for her boss..
Syl said
Jul 17 12:18 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
So we are settling for the theory that police and secret services of the USA are very akin to the Keystone cops then? ... OK.
They can be. They did fire the head of the Secret Service because like many government leaders, she was incompetent.
Unless you're a conspiracy theorist and in that case, she was a fall guy for her boss..
Trumps security guards at that event acted like they were in a scene from a Pink Panther film...I half expected Peter Sellers to pop up from behind the rostrum instead of Trump.
One short, confused security woman couldn't even find her holster for her gun, so gave up, and bundled him away in his limo still holding on to it.
Vam said
Jul 17 2:02 PM, 2025
deleted, sorry
-- Edited by Vam on Thursday 17th of July 2025 02:04:26 PM
Vam said
Jul 17 4:14 PM, 2025
Very little surprises me about trump and his Amateur Hour administration. Or so I thought.
Almost a million dollars’ worth of US food aid appropriated by Congress, and already paid for, is about to be destroyed. Apparently, it’s close to its expiry date.
Feed around 1.5 million hungry kids for a week, while there’s still time? Or nah…just incinerate it instead. A million dollars, up in smoke - plus the additional $130,000 cost to destroy it all.
@MD… is this ”incompetence“, or is cruelty the point here?
‘The United States is set to destroy nearly 500 metric tons of US-taxpayer funded emergency food meant for starving people around the world.‘
So we are settling for the theory that police and secret services of the USA are very akin to the Keystone cops then? ... OK.
They can be. They did fire the head of the Secret Service because like many government leaders, she was incompetent.
Unless you're a conspiracy theorist and in that case, she was a fall guy for her boss..
Trumps security guards at that event acted like they were in a scene from a Pink Panther film...I half expected Peter Sellers to pop up from behind the rostrum instead of Trump.
One short, confused security woman couldn't even find her holster for her gun, so gave up, and bundled him away in his limo still holding on to it.
Well, if you're a conspiracy theorist you could say that was part of Biden's plan.
Surround Trump with incompetent secret service people..
Maddog said
Jul 17 5:03 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Very little surprises me about trump and his Amateur Hour administration. Or so I thought.
Almost a million dollars’ worth of US food aid appropriated by Congress, and already paid for, is about to be destroyed. Apparently, it’s close to its expiry date.
Feed around 1.5 million hungry kids for a week, while there’s still time? Or nah…just incinerate it instead. A million dollars, up in smoke - plus the additional $130,000 cost to destroy it all.
@MD… is this ”incompetence“, or is cruelty the point here?
‘The United States is set to destroy nearly 500 metric tons of US-taxpayer funded emergency food meant for starving people around the world.‘
“USAID has had to destroy commodities under previous administrations with similar circumstances – this is not unique,” the spokesperson said.
Vam said
Jul 17 5:28 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Very little surprises me about trump and his Amateur Hour administration. Or so I thought.
Almost a million dollars’ worth of US food aid appropriated by Congress, and already paid for, is about to be destroyed. Apparently, it’s close to its expiry date.
Feed around 1.5 million hungry kids for a week, while there’s still time? Or nah…just incinerate it instead. A million dollars, up in smoke - plus the additional $130,000 cost to destroy it all.
@MD… is this ”incompetence“, or is cruelty the point here?
‘The United States is set to destroy nearly 500 metric tons of US-taxpayer funded emergency food meant for starving people around the world.‘
“USAID has had to destroy commodities under previous administrations with similar circumstances – this is not unique,” the spokesperson said.
Yeah, one of Rubio’s State Department mouth-breather‘s whataboutery. Colour me shocked
People from the previous administration were sounding the alarm throughout the last several months, and imploring State to send the food aid before it expires.
This clusterfuck is solely down to the State Department dragging its ass and unnecessarily delaying shipment of those special high-calorie, life-saving biscuits, that are known to massively revive a starving child within a few minutes.
It‘s shameful. But like I said: Amateur Hour.
Vam said
Jul 17 5:36 PM, 2025
🙋🏻♀️ … ps, MD …
As a result, the stockpile sat idle as its expiration date drew near. The biscuits—therapeutic foods packed with energy, often deployed in the early stages of humanitarian emergencies—had been purchased with roughly $800,000 in public funds during the final stretch of the Biden administration. They were stored in the UAE, awaiting distribution. Under normal circumstances, USAID staff would have coordinated their shipment through the World Food Programme. But that capacity no longer exists under the current decision-making structure.
Internal agency sources describe a series of memos sent between January and April to political appointees—none of which received a response.
We have a long history of destroying food and wasting everything imaginable.
Maybe it's worse now. 🤷
I know Trump didn't just invent incompetent, wasteful, irresponsible and indefensible government.
Maddog said
Jul 17 5:50 PM, 2025
"Paying farmers not to grow crops was a substitute for agricultural price support programs designed to ensure that farmers could always sell their crops for enough to support themselves. The price support program meant that farmers had to incur the expense of plowing their fields, fertilizing, irrigating, spraying, and harvesting them, and then selling their crops to the government, which stored them in silos until they either rotted or were consumed by rodents. It was much cheaper just to pay farmers not to grow the crops in the first place."
From 2009. No doubt people could have been helped with the crops that rotted..
I'm also certain the equally nonsensical conspiracy theory that Biden ordered the hit is equally as wrong...
… <sigh> …
Why no official medical report from the hospital that treated him - just a statement released on a congressman’s official letterhead? That would be trump‘s pill-popping boozehound stooge, btw - whose licence to practice medicine was revoked years ago - and who is now serving in congress.
What was poured over the “2cm blown off” part of trump’s ear, to make it grow back so fast? MiracleGro??
How come the agent on trump’s left (in the image up there 👆) wasn’t at least suspended for leaving trump so exposed to a possible 2nd sniper? Instead, we‘ve seen him prominently at trump’s side ever since the Butler incident.
Why is it wrong to question the motives of a sociopathic, Mobbed-up, scamming, pathologically lying, 34-times indicted felon and adjudicated sexual abuser/rapist?
👇🏻👇🏻
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 16th of July 2025 10:04:03 AM
Is it seriously being suggested that the shooter was hired by Trump? That a bit of a kid was such a good shot that he was able to actually nick Trump's ear deliberately? I don't know much about firearms, but even I can appreciate that such a scheme would be way too risky for getting your brains blown out.
A small crowd of people were pointing and screaming at police and social services, who were watching them, that an armed man was crawling along the roof. There are plenty vids to show this. I post a video of a man who was in that group, telling a reporter exactly what he saw.
If this assasination attempt was genuine, all I can say is, your police and social services make the Keystone Cops look well managed and efficient.
It’s also relevant to point out that there were official Security Services snipers positioned on rooftops within the vicinity of the kid and his gun, and presumably within their line of vision.
Which leads me to again ask one of the several unanswered questions I’ve already posted: A kid with a gun was seen to be crawling across a rooftop, and was clearly visible to several onlookers at the event. Why wasn’t that fact ALONE enough of a reason to delay the start of the rally, until the site could be secured?
@ Diggs: It’s not just me questioning how things went down. It’s all over social media. I’ve seen you say you sometimes check out X, for example. Have you not noticed people there doubting that it was a legit assassination attempt?
But I freely admit that my bias against the Felon in Chief convinces me that there is absolutely no dirty deed or chicanery I would put past him 🤷🏻♀️
I think we need to use Hanlon's razor in this situation: never put down to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
There evidently were secret service failings but that was more negligence than deliberate to stage an assassination attempt in my opinion. The level of timing and precision to pull off a shot which simply grazed Trump's ear rather than took him out seems inplausible for a situation with constantly changing circumstances like the rally. In addition at least one MAGA supporter was killed and two critically injured. I wouldn't put a lot passed Trump to do but whacking his own supporters for his own ends seems a bit much, even for him.
I’m not saying he deliberately intended for others to be harmed.
Avon, you and others could be right, of course. I guess we can agree that the whole chain of events stinks to high heaven.
But given the several unanswered questions I’ve mentioned, added to my firm belief that he truly doesn’t GAF about anyone’s wellbeing other than his own, I still stand by the part of my post you quoted.
Exactly.
If you want to wear a tin foil hat, Biden ordered it and his secret service allowed the guy to get off 8 shots..
But I don't believe that because too many people would have to be involved..
The one underlying message we get from government is that it's usually incompetent, not diabolical..
Correct..
These whirlwind campaign stops are done on the fly. The locals are supposed to work with the Secret Service, but they really haven't practiced together. The local cops of Butler were in charge of securing that building. They were actually inside of the building until they were told to go outside and check out the guy on the roof..
They can be. They did fire the head of the Secret Service because like many government leaders, she was incompetent.
Unless you're a conspiracy theorist and in that case, she was a fall guy for her boss..
Trumps security guards at that event acted like they were in a scene from a Pink Panther film...I half expected Peter Sellers to pop up from behind the rostrum instead of Trump.
One short, confused security woman couldn't even find her holster for her gun, so gave up, and bundled him away in his limo still holding on to it.
deleted, sorry
-- Edited by Vam on Thursday 17th of July 2025 02:04:26 PM
Very little surprises me about trump and his Amateur Hour administration. Or so I thought.
Almost a million dollars’ worth of US food aid appropriated by Congress, and already paid for, is about to be destroyed. Apparently, it’s close to its expiry date.
Feed around 1.5 million hungry kids for a week, while there’s still time? Or nah…just incinerate it instead. A million dollars, up in smoke - plus the additional $130,000 cost to destroy it all.
@MD… is this ”incompetence“, or is cruelty the point here?
‘The United States is set to destroy nearly 500 metric tons of US-taxpayer funded emergency food meant for starving people around the world.‘
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/16/politics/us-destroy-500-tons-us-taxpayer-funded-food
Well, if you're a conspiracy theorist you could say that was part of Biden's plan.
Surround Trump with incompetent secret service people..
I'll let the CNN article answer the question.
“USAID has had to destroy commodities under previous administrations with similar circumstances – this is not unique,” the spokesperson said.
Yeah, one of Rubio’s State Department mouth-breather‘s whataboutery. Colour me shocked
People from the previous administration were sounding the alarm throughout the last several months, and imploring State to send the food aid before it expires.
This clusterfuck is solely down to the State Department dragging its ass and unnecessarily delaying shipment of those special high-calorie, life-saving biscuits, that are known to massively revive a starving child within a few minutes.
It‘s shameful. But like I said: Amateur Hour.
🙋🏻♀️ … ps, MD …
As a result, the stockpile sat idle as its expiration date drew near. The biscuits—therapeutic foods packed with energy, often deployed in the early stages of humanitarian emergencies—had been purchased with roughly $800,000 in public funds during the final stretch of the Biden administration. They were stored in the UAE, awaiting distribution. Under normal circumstances, USAID staff would have coordinated their shipment through the World Food Programme. But that capacity no longer exists under the current decision-making structure.
Internal agency sources describe a series of memos sent between January and April to political appointees—none of which received a response.
https://lavocedinewyork.com/en/news/2025/07/16/usaid-paralysis-leads-to-nearly-500-tons-of-emergency-biscuits-to-be-destroyed/
Maybe it's worse now. 🤷
I know Trump didn't just invent incompetent, wasteful, irresponsible and indefensible government.
From 2009. No doubt people could have been helped with the crops that rotted..