We can all believe the reports that suit our own opinions and discard the ones that dont. The simple fact is the Israelis are killing children and people desperately seeking medicines, food and water, at designated point....regularly.
' Maybe the Israeli military's acceptance that the figures are 'broadly reliable' hold more clout.
"Israel's military has also accepted in briefings that the overall Gaza casualty numbers are broadly reliable."
Yep - that’s just human nature.
But I do try hard to seek out things I can see/hear - in real time - with my own eyes and ears.
The curse of social media can be that there’s just so much conflicting, disingenuous (and often downright evil) disinformation, out there. Add technology like AI manipulation into the mix, and we can sometimes feel we’re sinking into a quagmire of inconsistent information, and we don’t know what the hell to believe 🤷🏻♀️
I agree, I think we have all seen vids where the same actors pop up in various roles.
But when there are daily reports by Brits working in Gaza for UNICEF and other organisations , who are working there doing various humanitarian works reporting on these atrocities, it's more convincing than reading the conflicting reports by either Israel or Hamas.
I tend to believe the mass killing of innocents is happening on a regular basis, indeed, Israel often admit to 'mistakes'.
I think dead kids in war are simply called 'collateral damage', many thousand of them in this present war.
Yeah, they do. There were some Israeli's shooting at civilians at some lone border post somewhere and the authorities arrested them. I guess you can't fully police hatred. Who knows if they hadn't lost loved ones to Oct 7th. No excuse but might explain it.
People have been losing loved ones in the conflict between these countries for decades.
Horrendous though the initial Hamas attack that fuelled this latest war was, I'm sure everyone from both sides have lost loved ones since.
Magica said
Jul 15 10:29 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
And Israel doesn't want to own Gaza and the West Bank.
They just don't want Hamas being their neighbor any more.
Ever wonder why Jordan and Egypt don't have issues with Israel?
But why are they bombing, shooting Palestinians? Hamas are terrorist, they deserve to be killed but not the innocent kids and people.
Where do you think Hamas is? In barracks somewhere?.
You do realize that Hamas wants martyrs don't you? Their entire plan is to get as many civilians killed as possible to create angst in the West. They can't defeat Israel until they get enough of their own people killed to get the world to turn on Israel.
Of course I know who Hamas is, don't speak to me like I'm a fool! We had our own terrorist here and still do!
Did your terrorist try to get Irish women and children killed?
Did your terrorists ever kill 1000 Brits in a day?
At least you acknowledge Hamas are terrorists.
I have never said Hamas arnt terrorist, I've never backed them.
Where did I say.I do. You think you know it all, but you're wrong!
Fluffy said
Jul 15 10:31 PM, 2025
Copied via BBC News Online
Thousands of Afghans have moved to the UK under a secret scheme which was set up after a British official inadvertently leaked their data, it can be revealed.
In February 2022, the personal details of nearly 19,000 people who had applied to move to the UK after the Taliban seized power in Afghanistan were leaked.
The previous government learned of the breach inAugust 2023 when some of the details appeared on Facebook.
A new resettlement scheme for those on the leaked list was set up nine months later, and has seen 4,500 Afghans arrive in the UK so far.
But the existence ofthe leak and relocations were kept secret after the government obtained a super-injunction stopping it from becoming public.
Details of the major data breach, the response and the number of Afghans granted the right to live in the UK as a result only came to light on Tuesday after a High Court judge ruled, external the gaggingorder should be lifted.
The leak contained the names, contact details and some family information of people potentially at risk of harm from the Taliban.
Downing Street would not confirm if who was responsible for the leak had faced disciplinary action, with a spokesman sayingtheywould notcomment on individuals.
Basically, the Tories covered up this pledge and it will apparently cost the taxpayer 6 billion for the exposed people from Afghanistan to be safely moved to a new anonymous location within the UK.
If the Taliban were of a mind this could be a kill list for them. I do think this is the right move but as usual it shows an offensive amount of deception from the Tories.Why was aiding our allies kept secret from the British public and a gagging order considered so important?
It is also considered worrying that this leaked info and more Afghan's moving to the UK has occurred when immigration is regarded as such a controversial topic.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 15th of July 2025 10:47:32 PM
-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 15th of July 2025 11:02:03 PM
Magica said
Jul 15 11:08 PM, 2025
Also million immigrants on PIPs.
We're the gift that keeps on giving 😡
Maddog said
Jul 16 12:29 AM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
And Israel doesn't want to own Gaza and the West Bank.
They just don't want Hamas being their neighbor any more.
Ever wonder why Jordan and Egypt don't have issues with Israel?
But why are they bombing, shooting Palestinians? Hamas are terrorist, they deserve to be killed but not the innocent kids and people.
Where do you think Hamas is? In barracks somewhere?.
You do realize that Hamas wants martyrs don't you? Their entire plan is to get as many civilians killed as possible to create angst in the West. They can't defeat Israel until they get enough of their own people killed to get the world to turn on Israel.
Of course I know who Hamas is, don't speak to me like I'm a fool! We had our own terrorist here and still do!
Did your terrorist try to get Irish women and children killed?
Did your terrorists ever kill 1000 Brits in a day?
At least you acknowledge Hamas are terrorists.
I have never said Hamas arnt terrorist, I've never backed them.
Where did I say.I do. You think you know it all, but you're wrong!
Did the IRA ever kill a thousand Brits and kidnap a few hundred more in a single day?
Did they fire rockets daily at London for years?
While you say you don't back Hamas, you don't seem to support Israel eliminating them.
Or you expect Israel to magically do it without harming the people they are using for human shields.
Magica said
Jul 16 1:23 AM, 2025
We were bombed lots by the IRA, make no mistake. I narrowly missed being blown up.in a pub.
I don't like Israel president. He isn't killing Hamas just bombing all the people.
How do you know their using human shields, what in the queues for food?
Anonymous said
Jul 16 4:01 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Copied via BBC News Online
Thousands of Afghans have moved to the UK under a secret scheme which was set up after a British official inadvertently leaked their data, it can be revealed.
In February 2022, the personal details of nearly 19,000 people who had applied to move to the UK after the Taliban seized power in Afghanistan were leaked.
The previous government learned of the breach inAugust 2023 when some of the details appeared on Facebook.
A new resettlement scheme for those on the leaked list was set up nine months later, and has seen 4,500 Afghans arrive in the UK so far.
But the existence ofthe leak and relocations were kept secret after the government obtained a super-injunction stopping it from becoming public.
Details of the major data breach, the response and the number of Afghans granted the right to live in the UK as a result only came to light on Tuesday after a High Court judge ruled, external the gaggingorder should be lifted.
The leak contained the names, contact details and some family information of people potentially at risk of harm from the Taliban.
Downing Street would not confirm if who was responsible for the leak had faced disciplinary action, with a spokesman sayingtheywould notcomment on individuals.
Basically, the Tories covered up this pledge and it will apparently cost the taxpayer 6 billion for the exposed people from Afghanistan to be safely moved to a new anonymous location within the UK.
If the Taliban were of a mind this could be a kill list for them. I do think this is the right move but as usual it shows an offensive amount of deception from the Tories.Why was aiding our allies kept secret from the British public and a gagging order considered so important?
It is also considered worrying that this leaked info and more Afghan's moving to the UK has occurred when immigration is regarded as such a controversial topic.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 15th of July 2025 10:47:32 PM
-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 15th of July 2025 11:02:03 PM
I don't have a problem safeguarding people who helped safeguard our troops and allies, as long as they are thoroughly vetted. Leaving those who put their own lives, and those of their families, on the line to the mercy of the Taliban is an abhorrent thought.
Advertising the fact, endangering their lives further, would have been ridiculous. It's the illegals, whom we have no clue about, who should be the concern.
Syl said
Jul 16 1:14 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
We were bombed lots by the IRA, make no mistake. I narrowly missed being blown up.in a pub.
I don't like Israel president. He isn't killing Hamas just bombing all the people.
How do you know their using human shields, what in the queues for food?
Hamas are taking a lot of the food meant for the displaced Palestinians.
Those poor people cant win, they are surrounded by the Israelis who are bombing them and Hamas who care not a jot for them.
Vam said
Jul 16 3:17 PM, 2025
On a bit of a lighter note….besties, Bibi and The Don pondering future real estate projects.
We were bombed lots by the IRA, make no mistake. I narrowly missed being blown up.in a pub.
I don't like Israel president. He isn't killing Hamas just bombing all the people.
How do you know their using human shields, what in the queues for food?
Did the IRA ever kill a thousand Brits and kidnap a few hundred more in a single day?
Did they fire rockets daily at London for years?
While you say you don't back Hamas, you don't seem to support Israel eliminating them.
Or you expect Israel to magically do it without harming the people they are using for human shields.
Fluffy said
Jul 16 5:05 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
We were bombed lots by the IRA, make no mistake. I narrowly missed being blown up.in a pub.
I don't like Israel president. He isn't killing Hamas just bombing all the people.
How do you know their using human shields, what in the queues for food?
Did the IRA ever kill a thousand Brits and kidnap a few hundred more in a single day?
Did they fire rockets daily at London for years?
While you say you don't back Hamas, you don't seem to support Israel eliminating them.
Or you expect Israel to magically do it without harming the people they are using for human shields.
Israel recently blew up children who were standing in line to receive aid. Children. And they know exactly what they are doing. They keep having these "mishaps," of slaughtering children while denying it was deliberate ..They either think people are fool's or more likely just don't care what people think.
The retaliation from Israel has gone way too far, it is no longer self defence and is ethic cleansing or akin possibly, to genocide. Of course the Israeli President refuses to stop the bloodshed, if he did he would be immediately arrested for war crimes. They stopped the Aid trucks from getting to their destination and killed innocent civilians that way.
I no longer understand the pro Israeli view, the mass extermination of thousands of innocent civilians, (and so often children that it can no longer be a coincidence. I believe they are targeting Palestinian children, the death toll of them is so high) when it's meant to be a ceasefire shows how thoroughly evil the Israeli President and military are.
Magica said
Jul 16 5:08 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
We were bombed lots by the IRA, make no mistake. I narrowly missed being blown up.in a pub.
I don't like Israel president. He isn't killing Hamas just bombing all the people.
How do you know their using human shields, what in the queues for food?
Did the IRA ever kill a thousand Brits and kidnap a few hundred more in a single day?
Did they fire rockets daily at London for years?
While you say you don't back Hamas, you don't seem to support Israel eliminating them.
Or you expect Israel to magically do it without harming the people they are using for human shields.
How do you know the people are human shields.
We may not have had rockets, but had bombs in cars, offices, shops steets, waste bins, letters,etc, have you?
I don't like their President end of. I do like Jews and the people who live there who have marched about all this indiscriminate bombing.
Maddog said
Jul 16 5:19 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
We were bombed lots by the IRA, make no mistake. I narrowly missed being blown up.in a pub.
I don't like Israel president. He isn't killing Hamas just bombing all the people.
How do you know their using human shields, what in the queues for food?
Did the IRA ever kill a thousand Brits and kidnap a few hundred more in a single day?
Did they fire rockets daily at London for years?
While you say you don't back Hamas, you don't seem to support Israel eliminating them.
Or you expect Israel to magically do it without harming the people they are using for human shields.
How do you know the people are human shields.
We may not have had rockets, but had bombs in cars, offices, shops steets, waste bins, letters,etc, have you?
I don't like their President end of. I do like Jews and the people who live there who have marched about all this indiscriminate bombing.
"Hamas, an Islamist militant group and the de facto governing authority of the Gaza Strip, has been
using human shields in conflicts with Israel since 2007. According to the Statute of the International
Criminal Court (ICC), the war crime of using human shields encompasses “utilizing the presence of
a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas, or military forces immune from
military operations.” Hamas has launched rockets, positioned military-related infrastructure-hubs
and routes, and engaged the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) from, or in proximity to, residential and
commercial areas.
"
Syl said
Jul 16 7:18 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
We were bombed lots by the IRA, make no mistake. I narrowly missed being blown up.in a pub.
I don't like Israel president. He isn't killing Hamas just bombing all the people.
How do you know their using human shields, what in the queues for food?
Did the IRA ever kill a thousand Brits and kidnap a few hundred more in a single day?
Did they fire rockets daily at London for years?
While you say you don't back Hamas, you don't seem to support Israel eliminating them.
Or you expect Israel to magically do it without harming the people they are using for human shields.
Israel recently blew up children who were standing in line to receive aid. Children. And they know exactly what they are doing. They keep having these "mishaps," of slaughtering children while denying it was deliberate ..They either think people are fool's or more likely just don't care what people think.
The retaliation from Israel has gone way too far, it is no longer self defence and is ethic cleansing or akin possibly, to genocide. Of course the Israeli President refuses to stop the bloodshed, if he did he would be immediately arrested for war crimes. They stopped the Aid trucks from getting to their destination and killed innocent civilians that way.
I no longer understand the pro Israeli view, the mass extermination of thousands of innocent civilians, (and so often children that it can no longer be a coincidence. I believe they are targeting Palestinian children, the death toll of them is so high) when it's meant to be a ceasefire shows how thoroughly evil the Israeli President and military are.
I agree, Israel has and is going too far.
Everyone has the right to defend themselves and eliminate the enemy when the enemy are terrorists who kill indiscriminately.
But like it or not, that is exactly what Israel is doing now.
Magica said
Jul 16 7:27 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
We were bombed lots by the IRA, make no mistake. I narrowly missed being blown up.in a pub.
I don't like Israel president. He isn't killing Hamas just bombing all the people.
How do you know their using human shields, what in the queues for food?
Did the IRA ever kill a thousand Brits and kidnap a few hundred more in a single day?
Did they fire rockets daily at London for years?
While you say you don't back Hamas, you don't seem to support Israel eliminating them.
Or you expect Israel to magically do it without harming the people they are using for human shields.
Israel recently blew up children who were standing in line to receive aid. Children. And they know exactly what they are doing. They keep having these "mishaps," of slaughtering children while denying it was deliberate ..They either think people are fool's or more likely just don't care what people think.
The retaliation from Israel has gone way too far, it is no longer self defence and is ethic cleansing or akin possibly, to genocide. Of course the Israeli President refuses to stop the bloodshed, if he did he would be immediately arrested for war crimes. They stopped the Aid trucks from getting to their destination and killed innocent civilians that way.
I no longer understand the pro Israeli view, the mass extermination of thousands of innocent civilians, (and so often children that it can no longer be a coincidence. I believe they are targeting Palestinian children, the death toll of them is so high) when it's meant to be a ceasefire shows how thoroughly evil the Israeli President and military are.
I agree, Israel has and is going too far.
Everyone has the right to defend themselves and eliminate the enemy when the enemy are terrorists who kill indiscriminately.
But like it or not, that is exactly what Israel is doing now.
That's my stance too Fluffs and Syl.
Maddog said
Jul 17 5:03 AM, 2025
"Hamas, an Islamist militant group and the de facto governing authority of the Gaza Strip, has been using human shields in conflicts with Israel since 2007. According to the Statute of the InternationalCriminal Court (ICC), the war crime of using human shields encompasses “utilizing the presence of
a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas, or military forces immune frommilitary operations.” Hamas has launched rockets, positioned military-related infrastructure-hubsand routes, and engaged the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) from, or in proximity to, residential andcommercial areas."
Blame the trash hiding behind kids..
Red Okktober said
Jul 17 10:21 AM, 2025
A 12 year old girl has been sent home from school for wearing a Union Jack dress for 'culture celebration day'. She was isolated from the other pupils and had to wait for her dad to collect her.
Pupils were told to wear something that reflected their culture and to give a little speech about it.
She was also denied to make her speech, which was a cute one about drinking tea, fish & chips, kings & queens, and castles.
Her father says his daughter was told the event in Rugby was ‘not for her as she gets to celebrate being British every day’
Meanwhile, Starmer has suspended 4 of the MPs who humiliated him over his welfare U-turn.
There's nothing more cringeworthy than a weak person in a position of authority, trying to be authoritative to show who's the boss.
"It was only yesterday morning that Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall said the government's welfare reforms were in the "right place" - yet the people who helped get them there are suspended.
Suspended for agreeing with what is now government policy is an odd look"
People have been losing loved ones in the conflict between these countries for decades.
Horrendous though the initial Hamas attack that fuelled this latest war was, I'm sure everyone from both sides have lost loved ones since.
I have never said Hamas arnt terrorist, I've never backed them.
Where did I say.I do. You think you know it all, but you're wrong!
Copied via BBC News Online
Thousands of Afghans have moved to the UK under a secret scheme which was set up after a British official inadvertently leaked their data, it can be revealed.
In February 2022, the personal details of nearly 19,000 people who had applied to move to the UK after the Taliban seized power in Afghanistan were leaked.
The previous government learned of the breach in August 2023 when some of the details appeared on Facebook.
A new resettlement scheme for those on the leaked list was set up nine months later, and has seen 4,500 Afghans arrive in the UK so far.
But the existence of the leak and relocations were kept secret after the government obtained a super-injunction stopping it from becoming public.
Details of the major data breach, the response and the number of Afghans granted the right to live in the UK as a result only came to light on Tuesday after a High Court judge ruled, external the gagging order should be lifted.
The leak contained the names, contact details and some family information of people potentially at risk of harm from the Taliban.
Downing Street would not confirm if who was responsible for the leak had faced disciplinary action, with a spokesman saying they would not comment on individuals.
Basically, the Tories covered up this pledge and it will apparently cost the taxpayer 6 billion for the exposed people from Afghanistan to be safely moved to a new anonymous location within the UK.
If the Taliban were of a mind this could be a kill list for them. I do think this is the right move but as usual it shows an offensive amount of deception from the Tories.Why was aiding our allies kept secret from the British public and a gagging order considered so important?
It is also considered worrying that this leaked info and more Afghan's moving to the UK has occurred when immigration is regarded as such a controversial topic.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 15th of July 2025 10:47:32 PM
-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 15th of July 2025 11:02:03 PM
We're the gift that keeps on giving 😡
Did the IRA ever kill a thousand Brits and kidnap a few hundred more in a single day?
Did they fire rockets daily at London for years?
While you say you don't back Hamas, you don't seem to support Israel eliminating them.
Or you expect Israel to magically do it without harming the people they are using for human shields.
I don't like Israel president. He isn't killing Hamas just bombing all the people.
How do you know their using human shields, what in the queues for food?
I don't have a problem safeguarding people who helped safeguard our troops and allies, as long as they are thoroughly vetted. Leaving those who put their own lives, and those of their families, on the line to the mercy of the Taliban is an abhorrent thought.
Advertising the fact, endangering their lives further, would have been ridiculous. It's the illegals, whom we have no clue about, who should be the concern.
Hamas are taking a lot of the food meant for the displaced Palestinians.
Those poor people cant win, they are surrounded by the Israelis who are bombing them and Hamas who care not a jot for them.
On a bit of a lighter note….besties, Bibi and The Don pondering future real estate projects.
(truth can be stranger than fiction)
Did the IRA ever kill a thousand Brits and kidnap a few hundred more in a single day?
Did they fire rockets daily at London for years?
While you say you don't back Hamas, you don't seem to support Israel eliminating them.
Or you expect Israel to magically do it without harming the people they are using for human shields.
Israel recently blew up children who were standing in line to receive aid. Children. And they know exactly what they are doing. They keep having these "mishaps," of slaughtering children while denying it was deliberate ..They either think people are fool's or more likely just don't care what people think.
The retaliation from Israel has gone way too far, it is no longer self defence and is ethic cleansing or akin possibly, to genocide. Of course the Israeli President refuses to stop the bloodshed, if he did he would be immediately arrested for war crimes. They stopped the Aid trucks from getting to their destination and killed innocent civilians that way.
I no longer understand the pro Israeli view, the mass extermination of thousands of innocent civilians, (and so often children that it can no longer be a coincidence. I believe they are targeting Palestinian children, the death toll of them is so high) when it's meant to be a ceasefire shows how thoroughly evil the Israeli President and military are.
How do you know the people are human shields.
We may not have had rockets, but had bombs in cars, offices, shops steets, waste bins, letters,etc, have you?
I don't like their President end of. I do like Jews and the people who live there who have marched about all this indiscriminate bombing.
Are the rockets from Hamas "discriminate"?
https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf
using human shields in conflicts with Israel since 2007. According to the Statute of the International
Criminal Court (ICC), the war crime of using human shields encompasses “utilizing the presence of
a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas, or military forces immune from
military operations.” Hamas has launched rockets, positioned military-related infrastructure-hubs
and routes, and engaged the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) from, or in proximity to, residential and
commercial areas.
"
I agree, Israel has and is going too far.
Everyone has the right to defend themselves and eliminate the enemy when the enemy are terrorists who kill indiscriminately.
But like it or not, that is exactly what Israel is doing now.
That's my stance too Fluffs and Syl.
"Hamas, an Islamist militant group and the de facto governing authority of the Gaza Strip, has been using human shields in conflicts with Israel since 2007. According to the Statute of the InternationalCriminal Court (ICC), the war crime of using human shields encompasses “utilizing the presence of
a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas, or military forces immune frommilitary operations.” Hamas has launched rockets, positioned military-related infrastructure-hubsand routes, and engaged the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) from, or in proximity to, residential andcommercial areas."
Blame the trash hiding behind kids..
Pupils were told to wear something that reflected their culture and to give a little speech about it.
She was also denied to make her speech, which was a cute one about drinking tea, fish & chips, kings & queens, and castles.
Her father says his daughter was told the event in Rugby was ‘not for her as she gets to celebrate being British every day’
www.theguardian.com/education/2025/jul/15/girl-union-flag-dress-school-culture-day-rugby
There's nothing more cringeworthy than a weak person in a position of authority, trying to be authoritative to show who's the boss.
"It was only yesterday morning that Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall said the government's welfare reforms were in the "right place" - yet the people who helped get them there are suspended.
Suspended for agreeing with what is now government policy is an odd look"