Listen to the immigration lies out of Starmer’s gob. The anger I feel having him and his cronies in “power” destroying my country is indescribable.
It's like a comedy sketch - Starmer claiming to have 'taken lots of action' and a 'strong stance' on illegal immigration LoL.
So far he's agreed to the hilarious 'one in one out' deal, and Cooper has made it a criminal act to have more than 80 illegals in a boat! Seeing as they are coming here illegally anyway, I don't suppose they will pay too much attention to how many they have in a boat, and whether it's illegal or not. I can just imagine the people smugglers counting them onboard at Calais "78, 79, 80, ...sorry no more, we're full"
Refreshing to hear the way Trump talks about the illegals asking if they are from prisons, saying they are bad people, murderers and drug dealers, and they must be stopped. Starmer just stands there like a grinning fool, whereas if a British citizen said the same on facebook, he would have them arrested and locked up.
Comedy sketch is right. Trump knows Starmer’s full of shit. The world knows he’s full of shit, including the immigrants.
Trump even has the measure of Khan…who couldn’t react to his criticism by pointing put his achievements (LOL) his first retort was “racist, Islamophobia…”
I used to dislike Thatcher a great deal but bloody hell the anger and hatred I feel for Starmer and his toadies is off the scale. He’s a weak ineffectual who is murdering this country.
Anonymous said
Jul 29 1:19 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Listen to the immigration lies out of Starmer’s gob. The anger I feel having him and his cronies in “power” destroying my country is indescribable.
Try to describe it, it might make you feel better. Better out than in, as my dear old nan used to say.
My description of Starmer is, he is a servile twat, lying through his teeth, trying to ingratiate himself with the big boy.
He looks so pathetically weak.
I think Trump played a blinder. Feigning ignorance of the UK's stance (ie Starmer and co) on immigration and free speech forced Starmer to lie to the world. Seeing Starmer blush and fart through that was embarrassing but soooo entertaining.
He effortlessly showed Starmer up for the wuss he is. No doubt Starmer feels he cracked it.
Vam said
Jul 29 3:17 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
🤣 Superb!
Were those a couple of spare colostomy bags he was carrying at the end, or a couple of Big Mac Meals? 😂
Maddog said
Jul 29 4:55 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
For the good of America and the world, I‘m hoping like hell that the Epstein issue will end up being the catalyst that will finally bring him down. Either that, or one double cheeseburger too many.
Even when Trump goes the US will not be the same for a long time, if ever. His toxic legacy, the polarisation, the sheer racism and misogyny will need a long and strong course of antibiotics to recover from.
I'm not sure if you ever watch the Jubilee "Surrounded" debates on YouTube but the recent one where Medhi Hasan debated 20 apparently far right conservatives was jaw dropping. He was up against admittedly young and poor debates but they celebrated in fascism and revelled in racism. If that is typical of their youth then the US is cooked.
" Devin Burghart, president and executive director of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights and an expert on extremist movements, offered “three possible explanations” for Jubilee’s decision to include far-right voices on the panel.
Burghart said: “Either Jubilee producers were unbelievably negligent in the vetting of debaters, or they chose to stack the room with racists and fascists against a lone person of color in the hopes of capturing a viral moment to increase channel engagement … [or] they were trying to surreptitiously sound an alarm that many young Republicans are being drawn to fascism by having Mehdi systematically expose them during the debate.”
He added: “None of those explanations speaks well of the company or the format, and highlights the peril of sharing a platform with disingenuous far-rightists seeking eyeballs.”"🤷
I don't have a problem with shows that dismantle kooks like this, as long as your honest about them being kooks..
Don't seek out 20 moon landing deniers then project their beliefs to a significant portion of the population..
Syl said
Jul 29 6:08 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Listen to the immigration lies out of Starmer’s gob. The anger I feel having him and his cronies in “power” destroying my country is indescribable.
Try to describe it, it might make you feel better. Better out than in, as my dear old nan used to say.
My description of Starmer is, he is a servile twat, lying through his teeth, trying to ingratiate himself with the big boy.
He looks so pathetically weak.
I think Trump played a blinder. Feigning ignorance of the UK's stance (ie Starmer and co) on immigration and free speech forced Starmer to lie to the world. Seeing Starmer blush and fart through that was embarrassing but soooo entertaining.
He effortlessly showed Starmer up for the wuss he is. No doubt Starmer feels he cracked it.
Sadly, spot on.
Vam said
Jul 30 1:01 PM, 2025
As I said on the other thread, Starmer is a rampant social climber Like an earnest, overly eager kid on the playground, thinking ‘Pick me! Pick ME!!’
He will never have a problem bending the knee to what he perceives to be ‘power’, which is probably why Mango Mussolini tolerates and patronises him so damn much.
Anonymous said
Jul 30 4:51 PM, 2025
“ Donald Trump branded Nicola Sturgeon a “terrible first minister” as he made his way back to Washington following a working holiday in Scotland.
“…If our sister could speak today, she would be most angered by the fact that the government is listening to a known perjurer. A woman who repeatedly lied under oath and will continue to do so as long as it benefits her position.
Ghislaine Maxwell is a monster who deserves to rot in prison for the rest of her life for the extraordinary violence and abuse she put not just our sister Virginia through, but many other survivors, who may number in the thousands. A predator who thought only of herself, she destroyed the lives of girls and young women without conscience..”
Not only is Trump kicking the illegals out, the White House have produced a clip using the Jet2 holiday advert as a voiceover as the shackled migrants board the deportation plane.
A lot of complaints have come in, but this is what the people want to see.
Take note Sir Keir.
Anonymous said
Jul 31 12:14 PM, 2025
Red Okktober wrote:
Not only is Trump kicking the illegals out, the White House have produced a clip using the Jet2 holiday advert as a voiceover as the shackled migrants board the deportation plane.
A lot of complaints have come in, but this is what the people want to see.
Take note Sir Keir.
. The pearl clutching is hilarious.
Vam said
Jul 31 12:59 PM, 2025
I’ve always thought it was Joe Biden’s epic fail to not read the room and find solutions to illegal immigration issues that the American people were clamouring for. Biden was way too laid back, for far too long. And appointing Mayorkas to lead DHS was a disastrous choice. Mayorkas was inept and utterly useless, imo.
But let’s not overlook the fact that every single attempt by Biden and Congress to curtail illegal migration, was immediately stymied and shot down by a hysterical trump.
Without ‘Immigration’, trump would have had little else to campaign on in 2024.
Not only is Trump kicking the illegals out, the White House have produced a clip using the Jet2 holiday advert as a voiceover as the shackled migrants board the deportation plane.
A lot of complaints have come in, but this is what the people want to see.
Take note Sir Keir.
Red, I’m honestly not trying to be snide here - I’m just interested in your take on this issue:
Do you think people in the US also want to see the deportation of, say, Russian, Romanian, Albanian, and Bulgarian nationals, illegally residing in the US? Or is it just the brown and black ‘bad hombres’ they want to see being booted out?
(AI Overview)…
While it's difficult to pinpoint specific Eastern European countries with ongoing criminal operations in the U.S. without specific data, several nations have been identified as sources of organized crime affecting the United States. These include Bulgaria, Romania, and Albania, among others. The nature of these operations varies, including cybercrime, drug trafficking, and human trafficking.
Red Okktober said
Jul 31 1:42 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Red, I’m honestly not trying to be snide here - I’m just interested in your take on this issue:
Do you think people in the US also want to see the deportation of, say, Russian, Romanian, Albanian, and Bulgarian nationals, illegally residing in the US? Or is it just the brown and black ‘bad hombres’ they want to see being booted out?
(AI Overview)…
While it's difficult to pinpoint specific Eastern European countries with ongoing criminal operations in the U.S. without specific data, several nations have been identified as sources of organized crime affecting the United States. These include Bulgaria, Romania, and Albania, among others. The nature of these operations varies, including cybercrime, drug trafficking, and human trafficking.
I would imagine US citizens would want any/all illegals kicked out regardless of race. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't.
When the illegals are non-white, it's inevitable that some will play the race card though.
Re the UK - practically all the illegals coming over in boats are non-white, so it's expected that the race card will be played here as well. It's no big deal though - it's just how things are these days.
I’ve always thought it was Joe Biden’s epic fail to not read the room and find solutions to illegal immigration issues that the American people were clamouring for. Biden was way too laid back, for far too long. And appointing Mayorkas to lead DHS was a disastrous choice. Mayorkas was inept and utterly useless, imo.
But let’s not overlook the fact that every single attempt by Biden and Congress to curtail illegal migration, was immediately stymied and shot down by a hysterical trump.
Without ‘Immigration’, trump would have had little else to campaign on in 2024.
He would have had inflation to deal with..
Biden literally ran on open borders. It was a better sell in 2020 when we hadn't experienced 4 years of open borders. By 2024 majorities of Americans were done with that experiment..
Barksdale said
Jul 31 6:23 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
" Devin Burghart, president and executive director of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights and an expert on extremist movements, offered “three possible explanations” for Jubilee’s decision to include far-right voices on the panel.
Burghart said: “Either Jubilee producers were unbelievably negligent in the vetting of debaters, or they chose to stack the room with racists and fascists against a lone person of color in the hopes of capturing a viral moment to increase channel engagement … [or] they were trying to surreptitiously sound an alarm that many young Republicans are being drawn to fascism by having Mehdi systematically expose them during the debate.”
He added: “None of those explanations speaks well of the company or the format, and highlights the peril of sharing a platform with disingenuous far-rightists seeking eyeballs.”"🤷
I don't have a problem with shows that dismantle kooks like this, as long as your honest about them being kooks..
Don't seek out 20 moon landing deniers then project their beliefs to a significant portion of the population..
Some of those kids have been on Jubilee debates before with progressives. I think it is highly likely that the company knew their backgrounds, views and that some of them mixed in the same social circles. I suspect they platformed them because they wanted viral content based on outrage to monetise using fair debate as an easy justification, and they certainly achieved that goal.
I think you are right that we don't want to extrapolate out those views too far into the general population but I don't think we want to underestimate just how popular they are with a section of young people, particularly young men. Just as some young people are highly attracted by far left ideology, the same is true for far right rhetoric. You don't have too look too hard to find young people glorifying fascist or Nazi ideology on social media. Influencers like Nick Fuentes, Andrews Tate, Sneako etc have huge reach and influence. Increasingly these views are not seen as kooky or fringe but are creeping into the mainstream for young people. Hating minorities and liberal women have become fashion statements.
I don't think America will snap back to the centre once Trump is gone. I see it becoming a battleground between increasing far right and far left thinking for a significant length of time.
Barksdale said
Jul 31 6:34 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Statement from the family of Virginia Giuffre…
“…If our sister could speak today, she would be most angered by the fact that the government is listening to a known perjurer. A woman who repeatedly lied under oath and will continue to do so as long as it benefits her position.
Ghislaine Maxwell is a monster who deserves to rot in prison for the rest of her life for the extraordinary violence and abuse she put not just our sister Virginia through, but many other survivors, who may number in the thousands. A predator who thought only of herself, she destroyed the lives of girls and young women without conscience..”
It's a stunt because Trump has no clue how to contain the fallout from the failure to release the Epstein files / list. How could you trust a known perjurer who has every incentive to lie like Ghislaine Maxwell to give you reliable information of any use? Why not just ask the victims instead?
Trump / MAGA / Conservative influencers revelled in conspiracy theories for years and shot to prominence because of them to some degree. Now they are in government and cannot deliver the goods (possiblly because they were baseless conspiracies in the first place, national security concerns etc) they come across as weak or complicit in CSE. Stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Barksdale said
Jul 31 6:38 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Not only is Trump kicking the illegals out, the White House have produced a clip using the Jet2 holiday advert as a voiceover as the shackled migrants board the deportation plane.
A lot of complaints have come in, but this is what the people want to see.
Take note Sir Keir.
. The pearl clutching is hilarious.
If have have a policy that seems to revel in cruelty and post content which is intended to provoke a reaction then why would you be surprised when you are met with a reaction? I see Jess Glynne has come out and said she is saddened that her song which is meant to promote love and unity has been used in a way which portrays just the opposite.
It's not pearl clutching to have a normal human reaction to human beings suffering, even if they are illegal immigrants. I think a lot of people simply want a fair and humane immigration policy, not wanton cruelty.
Comedy sketch is right. Trump knows Starmer’s full of shit. The world knows he’s full of shit, including the immigrants.
Trump even has the measure of Khan…who couldn’t react to his criticism by pointing put his achievements (LOL) his first retort was “racist, Islamophobia…”
I used to dislike Thatcher a great deal but bloody hell the anger and hatred I feel for Starmer and his toadies is off the scale. He’s a weak ineffectual who is murdering this country.
I think Trump played a blinder. Feigning ignorance of the UK's stance (ie Starmer and co) on immigration and free speech forced Starmer to lie to the world. Seeing Starmer blush and fart through that was embarrassing but soooo entertaining.
He effortlessly showed Starmer up for the wuss he is. No doubt Starmer feels he cracked it.
🤣 Superb!
Were those a couple of spare colostomy bags he was carrying at the end, or a couple of Big Mac Meals? 😂
" Devin Burghart, president and executive director of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights and an expert on extremist movements, offered “three possible explanations” for Jubilee’s decision to include far-right voices on the panel.
Burghart said: “Either Jubilee producers were unbelievably negligent in the vetting of debaters, or they chose to stack the room with racists and fascists against a lone person of color in the hopes of capturing a viral moment to increase channel engagement … [or] they were trying to surreptitiously sound an alarm that many young Republicans are being drawn to fascism by having Mehdi systematically expose them during the debate.”
He added: “None of those explanations speaks well of the company or the format, and highlights the peril of sharing a platform with disingenuous far-rightists seeking eyeballs.”"🤷
I don't have a problem with shows that dismantle kooks like this, as long as your honest about them being kooks..
Don't seek out 20 moon landing deniers then project their beliefs to a significant portion of the population..
Sadly, spot on.
As I said on the other thread, Starmer is a rampant social climber
Like an earnest, overly eager kid on the playground, thinking ‘Pick me! Pick ME!!’
He will never have a problem bending the knee to what he perceives to be ‘power’, which is probably why Mango Mussolini tolerates and patronises him so damn much.
“ Donald Trump branded Nicola Sturgeon a “terrible first minister” as he made his way back to Washington following a working holiday in Scotland.
The US President spoke to reporters aboard Air Force One after departing the country on Tuesday evening, adding he “didn’t have a lot of respect” for the former first minister of Scotland.” https://news.stv.tv/politics/donald-trump-says-nicola-sturgeon-was-a-terrible-first-minister-as-he-departs-scotland
A parting last slap
Statement from the family of Virginia Giuffre…
“…If our sister could speak today, she would be most angered by the fact that the government is listening to a known perjurer. A woman who repeatedly lied under oath and will continue to do so as long as it benefits her position.
Ghislaine Maxwell is a monster who deserves to rot in prison for the rest of her life for the extraordinary violence and abuse she put not just our sister Virginia through, but many other survivors, who may number in the thousands. A predator who thought only of herself, she destroyed the lives of girls and young women without conscience..”
… also … 👇🏻
Not only is Trump kicking the illegals out, the White House have produced a clip using the Jet2 holiday advert as a voiceover as the shackled migrants board the deportation plane.
A lot of complaints have come in, but this is what the people want to see.
Take note Sir Keir.
I’ve always thought it was Joe Biden’s epic fail to not read the room and find solutions to illegal immigration issues that the American people were clamouring for. Biden was way too laid back, for far too long. And appointing Mayorkas to lead DHS was a disastrous choice. Mayorkas was inept and utterly useless, imo.
But let’s not overlook the fact that every single attempt by Biden and Congress to curtail illegal migration, was immediately stymied and shot down by a hysterical trump.
Without ‘Immigration’, trump would have had little else to campaign on in 2024.
https://x.com/SeanyBoyy89/status/1950632036881826176
Red, I’m honestly not trying to be snide here - I’m just interested in your take on this issue:
Do you think people in the US also want to see the deportation of, say, Russian, Romanian, Albanian, and Bulgarian nationals, illegally residing in the US? Or is it just the brown and black ‘bad hombres’ they want to see being booted out?
(AI Overview)…
I would imagine US citizens would want any/all illegals kicked out regardless of race. I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't.
When the illegals are non-white, it's inevitable that some will play the race card though.
Re the UK - practically all the illegals coming over in boats are non-white, so it's expected that the race card will be played here as well. It's no big deal though - it's just how things are these days.
https://x.com/SeanyBoyy89/status/1950307906122854491
and here’s his best mate..
He would have had inflation to deal with..
Biden literally ran on open borders. It was a better sell in 2020 when we hadn't experienced 4 years of open borders. By 2024 majorities of Americans were done with that experiment..
Some of those kids have been on Jubilee debates before with progressives. I think it is highly likely that the company knew their backgrounds, views and that some of them mixed in the same social circles. I suspect they platformed them because they wanted viral content based on outrage to monetise using fair debate as an easy justification, and they certainly achieved that goal.
I think you are right that we don't want to extrapolate out those views too far into the general population but I don't think we want to underestimate just how popular they are with a section of young people, particularly young men. Just as some young people are highly attracted by far left ideology, the same is true for far right rhetoric. You don't have too look too hard to find young people glorifying fascist or Nazi ideology on social media. Influencers like Nick Fuentes, Andrews Tate, Sneako etc have huge reach and influence. Increasingly these views are not seen as kooky or fringe but are creeping into the mainstream for young people. Hating minorities and liberal women have become fashion statements.
I don't think America will snap back to the centre once Trump is gone. I see it becoming a battleground between increasing far right and far left thinking for a significant length of time.
It's a stunt because Trump has no clue how to contain the fallout from the failure to release the Epstein files / list. How could you trust a known perjurer who has every incentive to lie like Ghislaine Maxwell to give you reliable information of any use? Why not just ask the victims instead?
Trump / MAGA / Conservative influencers revelled in conspiracy theories for years and shot to prominence because of them to some degree. Now they are in government and cannot deliver the goods (possiblly because they were baseless conspiracies in the first place, national security concerns etc) they come across as weak or complicit in CSE. Stuck between a rock and a hard place.
If have have a policy that seems to revel in cruelty and post content which is intended to provoke a reaction then why would you be surprised when you are met with a reaction? I see Jess Glynne has come out and said she is saddened that her song which is meant to promote love and unity has been used in a way which portrays just the opposite.
It's not pearl clutching to have a normal human reaction to human beings suffering, even if they are illegal immigrants. I think a lot of people simply want a fair and humane immigration policy, not wanton cruelty.