Yes a prison within a prison. No one to talk to, never leaving his cell, just time. Which will drag. Maybe he will top himself? I conditions he has a very long life, just suffer.
Revenge costs the British taxpayers dearly. Multiply that for however many years he is inside.
The average annual cost of keeping one person in prison in the UK stands at approximately £44,640 per year (2024/25 figures), which translates to roughly £855 per week or £122 per day
I know Syl, but.i.want him to suffer, death is too quick.
Well you know my view Mags.
I have no interest in seeing him or others like him suffering. I think they have lost the right to breathe.
Seeing those figures, you may have a point. Like Mags I prefer people who have committed beyond awful inhuman crimes to suffer. But maybe you have an ethical point, does he deserve to live after denying his baby that same right? Maybe in clear cut cases like this the death penalty should be an option , especially if it costs so much to house him.
I used to think the death penalty made us as bad as the perpetrators but maybe that's an idealistic vision from my youth. Possibly practicality demands the death penalty in such transparent cases.
But it would have to.be only for the most abhorrent evil murder cases where the person has pled guilty or their guilt cannot be denied. No need for a Jury. If it was brought back as it is in some American states people could be wrongfully convicted and then executed. The thought of that happening to someone innocent is horrific.
I think murderers facing life in prison,death would be a nice release for them.
I believe in afterlife,spirit lives on, so he's not being punished at all
Syl said
Jul 25 4:01 PM, 2025
The death penalty, for the most heinous of crimes, when the offender will never be released again, and where there is no doubt whatsoever that he/she has committed the crime, is the best way to deal with cases like this.
I don't go along with the argument that it's inhumane...it's actually a lot more inhumane to want that person to suffer for the rest of his/her life. But that's not the main reason...their suffering or lack of should not be a concern, and the hundreds of millions of pounds spent housing these monsters is not the main concern either.
Cases like Hindley and Brady, in prison for life, making headlines for decades, the parents and grandparents of those children were forever being reminded every time some do-gooder tried to get them released, or every time a prison mate sold a story about them to the press. The mothers of those boys died in torment....they were never allowed to grieve in peace...that is the main reason these people should be killed, humanely, quickly ... and gone.
Magica said
Jul 25 4:14 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
The death penalty, for the most heinous of crimes, when the offender will never be released again, and where there is no doubt whatsoever that he/she has committed the crime, is the best way to deal with cases like this.
I don't go along with the argument that it's inhumane...it's actually a lot more inhumane to want that person to suffer for the rest of his/her life. But that's not the main reason...their suffering or lack of should not be a concern, and the hundreds of millions of pounds spent housing these monsters is not the main concern either.
Cases like Hindley and Brady, in prison for life, making headlines for decades, the parents and grandparents of those children were forever being reminded every time some do-gooder tried to get them released, or every time a prison mate sold a story about them to the press. The mothers of those boys died in torment....they were never allowed to grieve in peace...that is the main reason these people should be killed, humanely, quickly ... and gone.
As you know I don't agree.
Nothing inhumane to make them suffer as their victims did. Always looking over their shoulder against attacks.
That's justice to me.
Syl said
Jul 25 5:26 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The death penalty, for the most heinous of crimes, when the offender will never be released again, and where there is no doubt whatsoever that he/she has committed the crime, is the best way to deal with cases like this.
I don't go along with the argument that it's inhumane...it's actually a lot more inhumane to want that person to suffer for the rest of his/her life. But that's not the main reason...their suffering or lack of should not be a concern, and the hundreds of millions of pounds spent housing these monsters is not the main concern either.
Cases like Hindley and Brady, in prison for life, making headlines for decades, the parents and grandparents of those children were forever being reminded every time some do-gooder tried to get them released, or every time a prison mate sold a story about them to the press. The mothers of those boys died in torment....they were never allowed to grieve in peace...that is the main reason these people should be killed, humanely, quickly ... and gone.
As you know I don't agree.
Nothing inhumane to make them suffer as their victims did. Always looking over their shoulder against attacks.
That's justice to me.
That's revenge, not justice.
We will never agree on this one. x
Magica said
Jul 25 8:10 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The death penalty, for the most heinous of crimes, when the offender will never be released again, and where there is no doubt whatsoever that he/she has committed the crime, is the best way to deal with cases like this.
I don't go along with the argument that it's inhumane...it's actually a lot more inhumane to want that person to suffer for the rest of his/her life. But that's not the main reason...their suffering or lack of should not be a concern, and the hundreds of millions of pounds spent housing these monsters is not the main concern either.
Cases like Hindley and Brady, in prison for life, making headlines for decades, the parents and grandparents of those children were forever being reminded every time some do-gooder tried to get them released, or every time a prison mate sold a story about them to the press. The mothers of those boys died in torment....they were never allowed to grieve in peace...that is the main reason these people should be killed, humanely, quickly ... and gone.
As you know I don't agree.
Nothing inhumane to make them suffer as their victims did. Always looking over their shoulder against attacks.
That's justice to me.
That's revenge, not justice.
We will never agree on this one. x
Yes revenge, so is hanging
Syl said
Jul 25 10:44 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The death penalty, for the most heinous of crimes, when the offender will never be released again, and where there is no doubt whatsoever that he/she has committed the crime, is the best way to deal with cases like this.
I don't go along with the argument that it's inhumane...it's actually a lot more inhumane to want that person to suffer for the rest of his/her life. But that's not the main reason...their suffering or lack of should not be a concern, and the hundreds of millions of pounds spent housing these monsters is not the main concern either.
Cases like Hindley and Brady, in prison for life, making headlines for decades, the parents and grandparents of those children were forever being reminded every time some do-gooder tried to get them released, or every time a prison mate sold a story about them to the press. The mothers of those boys died in torment....they were never allowed to grieve in peace...that is the main reason these people should be killed, humanely, quickly ... and gone.
As you know I don't agree.
Nothing inhumane to make them suffer as their victims did. Always looking over their shoulder against attacks.
That's justice to me.
That's revenge, not justice.
We will never agree on this one. x
Yes revenge, so is hanging
Who mentioned hanging?
A quick and painless injection, like you would have before an operation. I have no desire to see anyone suffer, no matter how evil their acts are.
It's not revenge, it's justice.
Vam said
Jul 26 11:33 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Who mentioned hanging?
A quick and painless injection, like you would have before an operation. I have no desire to see anyone suffer, no matter how evil their acts are.
It's not revenge, it's justice.
In a case of such incontrovertibly proven mindless savagery like this, I‘m inclined to agree with you, Syl. Quick and painless could be a solution to end Gunter.
I hate to imagine the distress that infant felt, because it couldn’t understand the excruciating pain and suffering that was being inflicted on him. So I’d even add that I hope Daniel Gunter would be paralysed by terror and regret, in the minutes leading up to a lethal injection.
Syl said
Jul 26 11:58 AM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Who mentioned hanging?
A quick and painless injection, like you would have before an operation. I have no desire to see anyone suffer, no matter how evil their acts are.
It's not revenge, it's justice.
In a case of such incontrovertibly proven mindless savagery like this, I‘m inclined to agree with you, Syl. Quick and painless could be a solution to end Gunter.
I hate to imagine the distress that infant felt, because it couldn’t understand the excruciating pain and suffering that was being inflicted on him. So I’d even add that I hope Daniel Gunter would be paralysed by terror and regret, in the minutes leading up to a lethal injection.
Heartbreaking is the only way to describe reading what this monster, and others like him, have put babies and children through, it's something that defies every instinct normal people feel when caring for their children.
I know without doubt, if a loved one, especially a child of mine was tortured, the only relief I would feel, would be when the perpetrator was dead.
Not suffering, just not breathing.
Magica said
Jul 26 12:48 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
The death penalty, for the most heinous of crimes, when the offender will never be released again, and where there is no doubt whatsoever that he/she has committed the crime, is the best way to deal with cases like this.
I don't go along with the argument that it's inhumane...it's actually a lot more inhumane to want that person to suffer for the rest of his/her life. But that's not the main reason...their suffering or lack of should not be a concern, and the hundreds of millions of pounds spent housing these monsters is not the main concern either.
Cases like Hindley and Brady, in prison for life, making headlines for decades, the parents and grandparents of those children were forever being reminded every time some do-gooder tried to get them released, or every time a prison mate sold a story about them to the press. The mothers of those boys died in torment....they were never allowed to grieve in peace...that is the main reason these people should be killed, humanely, quickly ... and gone.
As you know I don't agree.
Nothing inhumane to make them suffer as their victims did. Always looking over their shoulder against attacks.
That's justice to me.
That's revenge, not justice.
We will never agree on this one. x
Yes revenge, so is hanging
Who mentioned hanging?
A quick and painless injection, like you would have before an operation. I have no desire to see anyone suffer, no matter how evil their acts are.
It's not revenge, it's justice.
It's revenge imo
Syl said
Jul 26 12:52 PM, 2025
OK.
Digger said
Jul 26 7:45 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
OK.
Crikey, she's got you beat
Magica said
Jul 26 9:04 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
OK.
Crikey, she's got you beat
Not beat, just opinions differ.
Syl said
Jul 26 11:36 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
OK.
Crikey, she's got you beat
Not beat, just opinions differ.
Exactly that. We have had different opinions about capital punishment for years. It's pointless for either of us to keep reiterating.
We won't ever agree, and that's, as I said...OK. x
Magica said
Jul 27 12:22 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
OK.
Crikey, she's got you beat
Not beat, just opinions differ.
Exactly that. We have had different opinions about capital punishment for years. It's pointless for either of us to keep reiterating.
We won't ever agree, and that's, as I said...OK. x
Ok by me too x
Anonymous said
Jul 27 7:47 AM, 2025
Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer
“Israel must allow aid in over land to end the starvation unfolding in Gaza. The situation is desperate. We are working with Jordan to get aid into Gaza. We are urgently accelerating efforts to evacuate children who need critical medical assistance to the UK for treatment. I am determined to find a pathway to peace.”
Wouldn’t it be nice if he started putting that same energy, interest and concern into the safety/welfare of the very people he’s supposedly being paid to represent? The Middle East is not our problem.
Can’t control street crime, can’t stop the never-ending illegals, can’t keep women and their daughters safe from sexual attacks etc but is determined to bring about peace on the other side of the world. A British PM who seems more concerned about what’s happening on the other side of the world than he is about the unrest/problems in the very country he’s supposed to be running.
How many British kids are going to be pushed down the NHS waiting list?
TRUMP - ”On immigration, you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore… You’ve got to stop the horrible invasion that’s happening to Europe!”.” (Trump’s advice to Europe)
I dislike Trump but by God he’s doing something about the invasions, as he promised. Starmer? nothing.
Syl said
Jul 27 10:48 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer
“Israel must allow aid in over land to end the starvation unfolding in Gaza. The situation is desperate. We are working with Jordan to get aid into Gaza. We are urgently accelerating efforts to evacuate children who need critical medical assistance to the UK for treatment. I am determined to find a pathway to peace.”
Wouldn’t it be nice if he started putting that same energy, interest and concern into the safety/welfare of the very people he’s supposedly being paid to represent? The Middle East is not our problem.
Can’t control street crime, can’t stop the never-ending illegals, can’t keep women and their daughters safe from sexual attacks etc but is determined to bring about peace on the other side of the world. A British PM who seems more concerned about what’s happening on the other side of the world than he is about the unrest/problems in the very country he’s supposed to be running.
How many British kids are going to be pushed down the NHS waiting list?
TRUMP - ”On immigration, you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore… You’ve got to stop the horrible invasion that’s happening to Europe!”.” (Trump’s advice to Europe)
I dislike Trump but by God he’s doing something about the invasions, as he promised. Starmer? nothing.
Starmer should be striving to do both....obviously he isn't, he is a weak PM.
Trump may be acting hard on immigration, but I wouldn't want him running this country.
Red Okktober said
Jul 27 11:01 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Keir Starmer
@Keir_Starmer
“Israel must allow aid in over land to end the starvation unfolding in Gaza. The situation is desperate. We are working with Jordan to get aid into Gaza. We are urgently accelerating efforts to evacuate children who need critical medical assistance to the UK for treatment. I am determined to find a pathway to peace.”
Wouldn’t it be nice if he started putting that same energy, interest and concern into the safety/welfare of the very people he’s supposedly being paid to represent? The Middle East is not our problem.
Can’t control street crime, can’t stop the never-ending illegals, can’t keep women and their daughters safe from sexual attacks etc but is determined to bring about peace on the other side of the world. A British PM who seems more concerned about what’s happening on the other side of the world than he is about the unrest/problems in the very country he’s supposed to be running.
How many British kids are going to be pushed down the NHS waiting list?
TRUMP - ”On immigration, you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore… You’ve got to stop the horrible invasion that’s happening to Europe!”.” (Trump’s advice to Europe)
I dislike Trump but by God he’s doing something about the invasions, as he promised. Starmer? nothing.
Starmer is in an uncomfortable position of being a gimp trapped between his two Masters. Master Macron wants to recognise Palestine as a state, whereas Master Trump doesn't. In trying to please them both, Starmer's response to recognising Palestine is 'yes, but not yet'. It'll be interesting to see who he decides to follow, although I imagine he will be sitting on the fence for so long he will end up with an arseful of splinters.
I doubt those caught up in the situation will be holding their breath whatever he decides, although he has come out with his usual meaningless promises and says he is "working on a pathway to peace" and is taking 'concrete steps'. I wonder if he will be more successful with those than his pledge to 'smash the gangs'?
I agree with you anon about Trump - I'm not a fan but admire some of the things he says and does, and he is bang on about Europe needing to get it's act together to stop the invasion. Of Macron's comments about recognising Palestine, Trump says 'What Macron says doesn't matter' LoL, whereas Starmer will just bend over for him and agree to give the EU more fishing rights and deals like the 'one in one out' bollocks (which btw has all gone quiet suddenly)
Vam said
Jul 27 11:30 AM, 2025
I’ve said this many times on here. These days, I’m very much out of the loop regarding UK politics. I get most of my UK news here at the Whine.
But, fwiw, here’s my personal perception of Starmer every time I see him: An underwhelming ‘background beige‘ man. In any other universe, his mediocrity would not have propelled his corporate career beyond middle-management level, because he would always have been sidelined for promotion and excluded from crucial decision making.
One aspect of his personality I’m absolutely certain of though, is that he’s a rampant social climber. Whether seated among the big names in the Royal Box at Wimbledon, Ascot, or networking among world leaders at summits - he’s always grinning from ear-to-ear because he clearly is very proud of himself.
-- Edited by Vam on Sunday 27th of July 2025 12:04:15 PM
Red Okktober said
Jul 27 12:06 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Trump may be acting hard on immigration, but I wouldn't want him running this country.
We wouldn't want him in the long term, but he would be a great short term hire, if that were possible.
The boats would stop overnight, asylum hotels all shut down overnight, and those currenly residing there sent back to whence they came, and any stragglers put in tents with basic rations.
He just said that it doesn't matter what Macron says - could you imagine him agreeing to send 50 immigrants per week back to France in return for France sending us 50 new ones, then holding a press conference telling everyone what a great deal he just made? Me neither!
Syl said
Jul 27 12:21 PM, 2025
Red Okktober wrote:
Syl wrote:
Trump may be acting hard on immigration, but I wouldn't want him running this country.
We wouldn't want him in the long term, but he would be a great short term hire, if that were possible.
The boats would stop overnight, asylum hotels all shut down overnight, and those currenly residing there sent back to whence they came, and any stragglers put in tents with basic rations.
He just said that it doesn't matter what Macron says - could you imagine him agreeing to send 50 immigrants per week back to France in return for France sending us 50 new ones, then holding a press conference telling everyone what a great deal he just made? Me neither!
He doesn't pussyfoot around anyone trying to ingratiate himself, that's for sure.
I think murderers facing life in prison,death would be a nice release for them.
I believe in afterlife,spirit lives on, so he's not being punished at all
I don't go along with the argument that it's inhumane...it's actually a lot more inhumane to want that person to suffer for the rest of his/her life. But that's not the main reason...their suffering or lack of should not be a concern, and the hundreds of millions of pounds spent housing these monsters is not the main concern either.
Cases like Hindley and Brady, in prison for life, making headlines for decades, the parents and grandparents of those children were forever being reminded every time some do-gooder tried to get them released, or every time a prison mate sold a story about them to the press. The mothers of those boys died in torment....they were never allowed to grieve in peace...that is the main reason these people should be killed, humanely, quickly ... and gone.
As you know I don't agree.
Nothing inhumane to make them suffer as their victims did. Always looking over their shoulder against attacks.
That's justice to me.
That's revenge, not justice.
We will never agree on this one. x
Yes revenge, so is hanging
Who mentioned hanging?
A quick and painless injection, like you would have before an operation. I have no desire to see anyone suffer, no matter how evil their acts are.
It's not revenge, it's justice.
In a case of such incontrovertibly proven mindless savagery like this, I‘m inclined to agree with you, Syl. Quick and painless could be a solution to end Gunter.
I hate to imagine the distress that infant felt, because it couldn’t understand the excruciating pain and suffering that was being inflicted on him. So I’d even add that I hope Daniel Gunter would be paralysed by terror and regret, in the minutes leading up to a lethal injection.
Heartbreaking is the only way to describe reading what this monster, and others like him, have put babies and children through, it's something that defies every instinct normal people feel when caring for their children.
I know without doubt, if a loved one, especially a child of mine was tortured, the only relief I would feel, would be when the perpetrator was dead.
Not suffering, just not breathing.
It's revenge imo
OK.
Crikey, she's got you beat
Not beat, just opinions differ.
Exactly that. We have had different opinions about capital punishment for years. It's pointless for either of us to keep reiterating.
We won't ever agree, and that's, as I said...OK. x
Ok by me too x
“Israel must allow aid in over land to end the starvation unfolding in Gaza. The situation is desperate. We are working with Jordan to get aid into Gaza. We are urgently accelerating efforts to evacuate children who need critical medical assistance to the UK for treatment. I am determined to find a pathway to peace.”
https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1949120683448893641
Wouldn’t it be nice if he started putting that same energy, interest and concern into the safety/welfare of the very people he’s supposedly being paid to represent? The Middle East is not our problem.
Can’t control street crime, can’t stop the never-ending illegals, can’t keep women and their daughters safe from sexual attacks etc but is determined to bring about peace on the other side of the world. A British PM who seems more concerned about what’s happening on the other side of the world than he is about the unrest/problems in the very country he’s supposed to be running.
How many British kids are going to be pushed down the NHS waiting list?
TRUMP - ”On immigration, you better get your act together or you’re not going to have Europe anymore… You’ve got to stop the horrible invasion that’s happening to Europe!”.” (Trump’s advice to Europe)
I dislike Trump but by God he’s doing something about the invasions, as he promised. Starmer? nothing.
Starmer should be striving to do both....obviously he isn't, he is a weak PM.
Trump may be acting hard on immigration, but I wouldn't want him running this country.
Starmer is in an uncomfortable position of being a gimp trapped between his two Masters. Master Macron wants to recognise Palestine as a state, whereas Master Trump doesn't. In trying to please them both, Starmer's response to recognising Palestine is 'yes, but not yet'. It'll be interesting to see who he decides to follow, although I imagine he will be sitting on the fence for so long he will end up with an arseful of splinters.
I doubt those caught up in the situation will be holding their breath whatever he decides, although he has come out with his usual meaningless promises and says he is "working on a pathway to peace" and is taking 'concrete steps'. I wonder if he will be more successful with those than his pledge to 'smash the gangs'?
I agree with you anon about Trump - I'm not a fan but admire some of the things he says and does, and he is bang on about Europe needing to get it's act together to stop the invasion. Of Macron's comments about recognising Palestine, Trump says 'What Macron says doesn't matter' LoL, whereas Starmer will just bend over for him and agree to give the EU more fishing rights and deals like the 'one in one out' bollocks (which btw has all gone quiet suddenly)
I’ve said this many times on here. These days, I’m very much out of the loop regarding UK politics. I get most of my UK news here at the Whine.
But, fwiw, here’s my personal perception of Starmer every time I see him: An underwhelming ‘background beige‘ man. In any other universe, his mediocrity would not have propelled his corporate career beyond middle-management level, because he would always have been sidelined for promotion and excluded from crucial decision making.
One aspect of his personality I’m absolutely certain of though, is that he’s a rampant social climber. Whether seated among the big names in the Royal Box at Wimbledon, Ascot, or networking among world leaders at summits - he’s always grinning from ear-to-ear because he clearly is very proud of himself.
-- Edited by Vam on Sunday 27th of July 2025 12:04:15 PM
We wouldn't want him in the long term, but he would be a great short term hire, if that were possible.
The boats would stop overnight, asylum hotels all shut down overnight, and those currenly residing there sent back to whence they came, and any stragglers put in tents with basic rations.
He just said that it doesn't matter what Macron says - could you imagine him agreeing to send 50 immigrants per week back to France in return for France sending us 50 new ones, then holding a press conference telling everyone what a great deal he just made? Me neither!
He doesn't pussyfoot around anyone trying to ingratiate himself, that's for sure.