The last video I saw of her showed her pretty distraught.
She didn't ask for this nonsense. I'm sure she thought the reaction would be like Beyonces.
Boy was she wrong..
If it's the same one I have seen on Twitter that is an old clip which people are trying to pass off as being new to feed into the outrage cycle. Have you got a link to it by any chance?
As I said in my last post I don't really buy that she wasn't advised by either AE or her own team that it had the potential to be controversial. I think she took a calculated risk which she may have thought was worth it for all the exposure she is getting, or not as the case may be now.
Vam said
Aug 15 7:40 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
But again, here’s the thing. Apart from some initial grumbling (in passing) from the far Left when the ad first broke, as far I can tell, no one is still whining about the issue. No one actually GAF about Sydney Sweeney, let alone still obsessing about her!
Fox News - or should I say Faux News - took its cue from trump and blew the whole thing out of all proportion. And then Right Wing social media platforms/podcasters got in on the act, and dragged the whole thing out even further. It should have simply been a one-and-done headline, lasting less than 24 hours in the news cycle.
As I said, imo, it’s just another manufactured ‘crisis’. They’re great at waving shiny new things for us to focus on
"In reality, most progressives weren’t worked up much at all. Criticism of the ad campaign had come almost entirely from a smattering of accounts with relatively few followers, according to an analysis of social media data by The New York Times. Conversation about the ad did not escalate online or in traditional media until days later, after right-leaning influencers, broadcasters and politicians began criticizing what they described as a wave of progressive outrage."
So, it looks like their was some initial outrage which got amplified by right wing accounts like Charlie Kirk and LibsofTikTok, which feed into a cycle of every growing outrage.
So, the important thing we learn from the Sydney Sweeney story is where in the hell are the Epstein files?
Personally, I think it's inconceivable that the marketing team at AE or Sydney Sweeney's team didn't appreciate they were playing with fire with their messaging. I think it was deliberate as they guessed it would be highly attention grabbing and so the campaign could go viral.
It's a weird move from Sydney Sweeney though. She made her name with shows like Euphoria which have a highly diverse, younger audience which will make up her fan base. If she wants to be Miss Americana then she must know she has the potential to alienate a significant portion of her fan base.
Thank you!
2nd BIB: 🎯
-- Edited by Vam on Friday 15th of August 2025 07:43:07 PM
Maddog said
Aug 15 7:51 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Maddog wrote:
The last video I saw of her showed her pretty distraught.
She didn't ask for this nonsense. I'm sure she thought the reaction would be like Beyonces.
Boy was she wrong..
If it's the same one I have seen on Twitter that is an old clip which people are trying to pass off as being new to feed into the outrage cycle. Have you got a link to it by any chance?
As I said in my last post I don't really buy that she wasn't advised by either AE or her own team that it had the potential to be controversial. I think she took a calculated risk which she may have thought was worth it for all the exposure she is getting, or not as the case may be now.
It could be an old clip. I just watched a few seconds of it and haven't seen it pop up since.
In any event, it's just another own goal by the major party opposing Trump..
They can't get out of their own way..
Maddog said
Aug 15 7:53 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
But again, here’s the thing. Apart from some initial grumbling (in passing) from the far Left when the ad first broke, as far I can tell, no one is still whining about the issue. No one actually GAF about Sydney Sweeney, let alone still obsessing about her!
Fox News - or should I say Faux News - took its cue from trump and blew the whole thing out of all proportion. And then Right Wing social media platforms/podcasters got in on the act, and dragged the whole thing out even further. It should have simply been a one-and-done headline, lasting less than 24 hours in the news cycle.
As I said, imo, it’s just another manufactured ‘crisis’. They’re great at waving shiny new things for us to focus on
"In reality, most progressives weren’t worked up much at all. Criticism of the ad campaign had come almost entirely from a smattering of accounts with relatively few followers, according to an analysis of social media data by The New York Times. Conversation about the ad did not escalate online or in traditional media until days later, after right-leaning influencers, broadcasters and politicians began criticizing what they described as a wave of progressive outrage."
So, it looks like their was some initial outrage which got amplified by right wing accounts like Charlie Kirk and LibsofTikTok, which feed into a cycle of every growing outrage.
So, the important thing we learn from the Sydney Sweeney story is where in the hell are the Epstein files?
Personally, I think it's inconceivable that the marketing team at AE or Sydney Sweeney's team didn't appreciate they were playing with fire with their messaging. I think it was deliberate as they guessed it would be highly attention grabbing and so the campaign could go viral.
It's a weird move from Sydney Sweeney though. She made her name with shows like Euphoria which have a highly diverse, younger audience which will make up her fan base. If she wants to be Miss Americana then she must know she has the potential to alienate a significant portion of her fan base.
Why would that ad be playing with fire?
Syl said
Aug 15 11:27 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Vam wrote:
But again, here’s the thing. Apart from some initial grumbling (in passing) from the far Left when the ad first broke, as far I can tell, no one is still whining about the issue. No one actually GAF about Sydney Sweeney, let alone still obsessing about her!
Fox News - or should I say Faux News - took its cue from trump and blew the whole thing out of all proportion. And then Right Wing social media platforms/podcasters got in on the act, and dragged the whole thing out even further. It should have simply been a one-and-done headline, lasting less than 24 hours in the news cycle.
As I said, imo, it’s just another manufactured ‘crisis’. They’re great at waving shiny new things for us to focus on
"In reality, most progressives weren’t worked up much at all. Criticism of the ad campaign had come almost entirely from a smattering of accounts with relatively few followers, according to an analysis of social media data by The New York Times. Conversation about the ad did not escalate online or in traditional media until days later, after right-leaning influencers, broadcasters and politicians began criticizing what they described as a wave of progressive outrage."
So, it looks like their was some initial outrage which got amplified by right wing accounts like Charlie Kirk and LibsofTikTok, which feed into a cycle of every growing outrage.
So, the important thing we learn from the Sydney Sweeney story is where in the hell are the Epstein files?
Personally, I think it's inconceivable that the marketing team at AE or Sydney Sweeney's team didn't appreciate they were playing with fire with their messaging. I think it was deliberate as they guessed it would be highly attention grabbing and so the campaign could go viral.
It's a weird move from Sydney Sweeney though. She made her name with shows like Euphoria which have a highly diverse, younger audience which will make up her fan base. If she wants to be Miss Americana then she must know she has the potential to alienate a significant portion of her fan base.
Thank you!
2nd BIB: 🎯
-- Edited by Vam on Friday 15th of August 2025 07:43:07 PM
I recall you did say that days ago. It's a well known political tactic that any story that can be pushed to overshadow damaging info, is encouraged and built up.
Timing is all.
I also fail to see how the ad was playing with fire, a minority have made it sound like something it isn't.
Vam said
Aug 16 9:53 AM, 2025
All the hype, all the hoopla, American troops on their knees laying out the red carpet for a murderous dictator (belittling, much?) who, as an adjudicated war criminal, would immediately be arrested if his plane touched down in most other countries.
And for what, exactly - apart from deflecting the media’s attention from Epstein? For what? A big fat nothingburger, is what.
Still, at least Vlad’s delighted. I’ve never seen him smile so much! He got the optics he wanted: American F22 bombers escorting his plane to American soil. American B2 bombers doing a flyover, while he stood on the red carpet being effusively welcomed by the ‘leader’ of the world’s most prominent superpower, which gave the illusion that Russia is still to be viewed as a superpower, too.
All topped with an unprecedented private car ride in the American presidential limo (minus interpreters).
And what was Vlad prepared to offer in return for trump’s hospitality? Probably a timely reminder of all the devastating secrets he holds about trump.
trump got dog-walked again yesterday. That‘s because he has always been, and will always be, Putin’s bitch.
-- Edited by Vam on Saturday 16th of August 2025 09:57:04 AM
Piers Morgan apparently accidentally posted a meme of trump wearing red knee pads, as he was coming down the steps of Air Force 1 in Alaska.
Morgan hastily deleted it but, of course, the internet is forever… 😂
I love Piers Morgan, pity he didn't keep the pic up.
Barksdale said
Aug 16 12:54 PM, 2025
Re: Sydney Sweeney, "playing with fire" was hyperbole on my part in reflection. However, I do think AE and her team should she have, and probably did ,expect some kind of reaction. However, they may have been taken off guard by the extent of it. Superior genetics associated with the Aryan ideal of the blond, blue eyed, white people is a well worn trope so it was likely that some people would pick that up.
If I was planning the most important ad campaign for a company for the year and thought it would be a good idea for the main character to be a black guy eating watermelon, carrying a bucket of fried chicken I would expect in the numerous meetings that took place before the ad aired from someone to say "guys, this may not be the best idea..."
I do think the argument that the ad amplifies messages of white superiority / Nazi ideology is way overblown. However, I do understand why some people make it and it is something that AE / Sydney Sweeney were aware of prior to launching the campaign.
Red Okktober said
Aug 16 3:14 PM, 2025
Obviously the play on words jeans/genes has caused the woke meltdown, but the 'blue' part hasn't been mentioned as much.
Jeans are sometimes referred to as 'blue jeans', so Sweeney saying that her jeans/genes are blue, seems more of a nod towards her eyes being the same colour as the denim she is advertising, than referring to some kind of Nazi eugenics programme.
Syl said
Aug 16 4:37 PM, 2025
How come ads for makeup claiming Black is beautiful didn't cause outrage amongst none black people? Are they not beautiful too?
The whole thing is ridiculous.
Maddog said
Aug 16 5:36 PM, 2025
Barksdale wrote:
Re: Sydney Sweeney, "playing with fire" was hyperbole on my part in reflection. However, I do think AE and her team should she have, and probably did ,expect some kind of reaction. However, they may have been taken off guard by the extent of it. Superior genetics associated with the Aryan ideal of the blond, blue eyed, white people is a well worn trope so it was likely that some people would pick that up.
If I was planning the most important ad campaign for a company for the year and thought it would be a good idea for the main character to be a black guy eating watermelon, carrying a bucket of fried chicken I would expect in the numerous meetings that took place before the ad aired from someone to say "guys, this may not be the best idea..."
I do think the argument that the ad amplifies messages of white superiority / Nazi ideology is way overblown. However, I do understand why some people make it and it is something that AE / Sydney Sweeney were aware of prior to launching the campaign.
I think saying the sky is blue can get you called a nazi by some people.
These people are just exhausting. There is a term floating around the interwebz called black fatigue.
I have expanded on that and have coined the term "identity fatigue".
I think it's good the company have not apologised, why should they? The play on words was clever, and the model does have good looks, and we all know good-looking parents usually make good-looking kids, and she is wearing what American Eagle are selling...good jeans.
Why some think pointing out a blonde blue-eyed girl is demeaning to every other female who isn't blonde and blue-eyed, (and that would be most of us on this forum for a start) is ridiculous.
It was hardly a racist ad...if you want one of them, the BLACK LIVES MATTER campaign springs to mind....now that really was pitting one type of person against another.
Syl said
Aug 17 2:16 PM, 2025
And to more serious matters....what did Trump actually achieve when he met Putin, he has made matters worse...the idiot.
It's disgusting that they both think they can decide what will happen without Zelenskys input. There will never be peace between Russia and the Ukraine whilst Trump is backing Putin...and he obviously is.
Vam said
Aug 17 2:35 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
And to more serious matters....what did Trump actually achieve when he met Putin, he has made matters worse...the idiot.
It's disgusting that they both think they can decide what will happen without Zelenskys input. There will never be peace between Russia and the Ukraine whilst Trump is backing Putin...and he obviously is.
He’s hosting Zelenskyy and some big European names at the Oval Office tomorrow. Let’s hope the psychotic dumbfuck doesn’t start yelling and incoherently babbling and flapping his hands around, as he tries to humiliate Zelenskyy again, like he did in February.
As for what he achieved in Alaska, my answer is further up in this thread - a big fat nothingburger, is what he achieved.
I’ve never seen a clearly euphoric Putin grinning from ear-to-ear before, though!
-- Edited by Vam on Sunday 17th of August 2025 02:49:00 PM
Syl said
Aug 17 3:51 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
And to more serious matters....what did Trump actually achieve when he met Putin, he has made matters worse...the idiot.
It's disgusting that they both think they can decide what will happen without Zelenskys input. There will never be peace between Russia and the Ukraine whilst Trump is backing Putin...and he obviously is.
He’s hosting Zelenskyy and some big European names at the Oval Office tomorrow. Let’s hope the psychotic dumbfuck doesn’t start yelling and incoherently babbling and flapping his hands around, as he tries to humiliate Zelenskyy again, like he did in February.
As for what he achieved in Alaska, my answer is further up in this thread - a big fat nothingburger, is what he achieved.
I’ve never seen a clearly euphoric Putin grinning from ear-to-ear before, though!
-- Edited by Vam on Sunday 17th of August 2025 02:49:00 PM
Both pretty repulsive felllows.
Everytime I see Putin now, I can't help but picture him falling down the stairs and pooing himself. It might not even be true, but I can't shake the image.
As for Trump and his nappies...
Magica said
Aug 17 3:59 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
And to more serious matters....what did Trump actually achieve when he met Putin, he has made matters worse...the idiot.
It's disgusting that they both think they can decide what will happen without Zelenskys input. There will never be peace between Russia and the Ukraine whilst Trump is backing Putin...and he obviously is.
He’s hosting Zelenskyy and some big European names at the Oval Office tomorrow. Let’s hope the psychotic dumbfuck doesn’t start yelling and incoherently babbling and flapping his hands around, as he tries to humiliate Zelenskyy again, like he did in February.
As for what he achieved in Alaska, my answer is further up in this thread - a big fat nothingburger, is what he achieved.
I’ve never seen a clearly euphoric Putin grinning from ear-to-ear before, though!
-- Edited by Vam on Sunday 17th of August 2025 02:49:00 PM
Both pretty repulsive felllows.
Everytime I see Putin now, I can't help but picture him falling down the stairs and pooing himself. It might not even be true, but I can't shake the image.
As for Trump and his nappies...
I wonder if traitor Stammer will be there giving his tuppence worth. Pity he can't sort out our country.
Anonymous said
Aug 17 5:05 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
And to more serious matters....what did Trump actually achieve when he met Putin, he has made matters worse...the idiot.
It's disgusting that they both think they can decide what will happen without Zelenskys input. There will never be peace between Russia and the Ukraine whilst Trump is backing Putin...and he obviously is.
He’s hosting Zelenskyy and some big European names at the Oval Office tomorrow. Let’s hope the psychotic dumbfuck doesn’t start yelling and incoherently babbling and flapping his hands around, as he tries to humiliate Zelenskyy again, like he did in February.
As for what he achieved in Alaska, my answer is further up in this thread - a big fat nothingburger, is what he achieved.
I’ve never seen a clearly euphoric Putin grinning from ear-to-ear before, though!
-- Edited by Vam on Sunday 17th of August 2025 02:49:00 PM
Everytime I see Putin now, I can't help but picture him falling down the stairs and pooing himself. It might not even be true, but I can't shake the image.
Ooh, not heard of that one.
Syl said
Aug 17 5:45 PM, 2025
I think it was Red that posted it a week or so ago.
If it's the same one I have seen on Twitter that is an old clip which people are trying to pass off as being new to feed into the outrage cycle. Have you got a link to it by any chance?
As I said in my last post I don't really buy that she wasn't advised by either AE or her own team that it had the potential to be controversial. I think she took a calculated risk which she may have thought was worth it for all the exposure she is getting, or not as the case may be now.
2nd BIB: 🎯
-- Edited by Vam on Friday 15th of August 2025 07:43:07 PM
It could be an old clip. I just watched a few seconds of it and haven't seen it pop up since.
In any event, it's just another own goal by the major party opposing Trump..
They can't get out of their own way..
Why would that ad be playing with fire?
I recall you did say that days ago. It's a well known political tactic that any story that can be pushed to overshadow damaging info, is encouraged and built up.
Timing is all.
I also fail to see how the ad was playing with fire, a minority have made it sound like something it isn't.
All the hype, all the hoopla, American troops on their knees laying out the red carpet for a murderous dictator (belittling, much?) who, as an adjudicated war criminal, would immediately be arrested if his plane touched down in most other countries.
And for what, exactly - apart from deflecting the media’s attention from Epstein? For what? A big fat nothingburger, is what.
Still, at least Vlad’s delighted. I’ve never seen him smile so much! He got the optics he wanted: American F22 bombers escorting his plane to American soil. American B2 bombers doing a flyover, while he stood on the red carpet being effusively welcomed by the ‘leader’ of the world’s most prominent superpower, which gave the illusion that Russia is still to be viewed as a superpower, too.
All topped with an unprecedented private car ride in the American presidential limo (minus interpreters).
And what was Vlad prepared to offer in return for trump’s hospitality? Probably a timely reminder of all the devastating secrets he holds about trump.
trump got dog-walked again yesterday. That‘s because he has always been, and will always be, Putin’s bitch.
-- Edited by Vam on Saturday 16th of August 2025 09:57:04 AM
… and just a PS….
Piers Morgan apparently accidentally posted a meme of trump wearing red knee pads, as he was coming down the steps of Air Force 1 in Alaska.
Morgan hastily deleted it but, of course, the internet is forever… 😂
I love Piers Morgan, pity he didn't keep the pic up.
Re: Sydney Sweeney, "playing with fire" was hyperbole on my part in reflection. However, I do think AE and her team should she have, and probably did ,expect some kind of reaction. However, they may have been taken off guard by the extent of it. Superior genetics associated with the Aryan ideal of the blond, blue eyed, white people is a well worn trope so it was likely that some people would pick that up.
If I was planning the most important ad campaign for a company for the year and thought it would be a good idea for the main character to be a black guy eating watermelon, carrying a bucket of fried chicken I would expect in the numerous meetings that took place before the ad aired from someone to say "guys, this may not be the best idea..."
I do think the argument that the ad amplifies messages of white superiority / Nazi ideology is way overblown. However, I do understand why some people make it and it is something that AE / Sydney Sweeney were aware of prior to launching the campaign.
Jeans are sometimes referred to as 'blue jeans', so Sweeney saying that her jeans/genes are blue, seems more of a nod towards her eyes being the same colour as the denim she is advertising, than referring to some kind of Nazi eugenics programme.
The whole thing is ridiculous.
I think saying the sky is blue can get you called a nazi by some people.
These people are just exhausting. There is a term floating around the interwebz called black fatigue.
I have expanded on that and have coined the term "identity fatigue".
Remember, you heard it hear first..😉
They still aren't done.
From 8 hours ago..
I think it's good the company have not apologised, why should they?
The play on words was clever, and the model does have good looks, and we all know good-looking parents usually make good-looking kids, and she is wearing what American Eagle are selling...good jeans.
Why some think pointing out a blonde blue-eyed girl is demeaning to every other female who isn't blonde and blue-eyed, (and that would be most of us on this forum for a start) is ridiculous.
It was hardly a racist ad...if you want one of them, the BLACK LIVES MATTER campaign springs to mind....now that really was pitting one type of person against another.
It's disgusting that they both think they can decide what will happen without Zelenskys input. There will never be peace between Russia and the Ukraine whilst Trump is backing Putin...and he obviously is.
He’s hosting Zelenskyy and some big European names at the Oval Office tomorrow. Let’s hope the psychotic dumbfuck doesn’t start yelling and incoherently babbling and flapping his hands around, as he tries to humiliate Zelenskyy again, like he did in February.
As for what he achieved in Alaska, my answer is further up in this thread - a big fat nothingburger, is what he achieved.
I’ve never seen a clearly euphoric Putin grinning from ear-to-ear before, though!
-- Edited by Vam on Sunday 17th of August 2025 02:49:00 PM
Both pretty repulsive felllows.
Everytime I see Putin now, I can't help but picture him falling down the stairs and pooing himself. It might not even be true, but I can't shake the image.
As for Trump and his nappies...
I wonder if traitor Stammer will be there giving his tuppence worth. Pity he can't sort out our country.
Ooh, not heard of that one.