And while I don't know if Europeans would buy more American cars with a lower tariff on them, it's seems a bit unfair for the EU to charge more than us.
Europeans prefer higher quality cars, not American ones.
That could be the case. But that doesn't change the fact that Europe charges a tariff 4 times higher than the US..
At least they did until yesterday.
Maddog said
Feb 8 4:01 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
I don't like what he is proposing in the Gaza strip. I joked he would turn it into a new Vegas, he is!
He can't do this. It belongs to the Palestinians. He is sending them into other countries, why not in Israel, it was theirs to begin with!
Netayahu says send them to Ireland, what? He just wants them away from Israel and with Trumps help they will be dispersed.I
This makes me angry. I agree with most of what Trump is doing, but not this. It's wrong. It belongs to Palestine.
I can see a war out there.
Nobody is going to take those Palestinians. That idea is dead in the water.
Ideally, you give Gaza back to Egypt . That aint happening either.
What has changed is the US will be pulling aid for them. They can fund their terrorism on someone else's dime..
Yes hope so Madders. All the Palestinians want to do is go back to their land.
If that were the case, there wouldn't have been an October 7th..
Magica said
Feb 8 5:29 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
I don't like what he is proposing in the Gaza strip. I joked he would turn it into a new Vegas, he is!
He can't do this. It belongs to the Palestinians. He is sending them into other countries, why not in Israel, it was theirs to begin with!
Netayahu says send them to Ireland, what? He just wants them away from Israel and with Trumps help they will be dispersed.I
This makes me angry. I agree with most of what Trump is doing, but not this. It's wrong. It belongs to Palestine.
I can see a war out there.
Nobody is going to take those Palestinians. That idea is dead in the water.
Ideally, you give Gaza back to Egypt . That aint happening either.
What has changed is the US will be pulling aid for them. They can fund their terrorism on someone else's dime..
Yes hope so Madders. All the Palestinians want to do is go back to their land.
If that were the case, there wouldn't have been an October 7th..
They were bombed out of their land by Israel though. I'm not talking about Hamas the terrorists.
Maddog said
Feb 8 7:21 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
I don't like what he is proposing in the Gaza strip. I joked he would turn it into a new Vegas, he is!
He can't do this. It belongs to the Palestinians. He is sending them into other countries, why not in Israel, it was theirs to begin with!
Netayahu says send them to Ireland, what? He just wants them away from Israel and with Trumps help they will be dispersed.I
This makes me angry. I agree with most of what Trump is doing, but not this. It's wrong. It belongs to Palestine.
I can see a war out there.
Nobody is going to take those Palestinians. That idea is dead in the water.
Ideally, you give Gaza back to Egypt . That aint happening either.
What has changed is the US will be pulling aid for them. They can fund their terrorism on someone else's dime..
Yes hope so Madders. All the Palestinians want to do is go back to their land.
If that were the case, there wouldn't have been an October 7th..
They were bombed out of their land by Israel though. I'm not talking about Hamas the terrorists.
It's unfortunate. Like Dresden I guess..🤷
Magica said
Feb 8 10:42 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
I don't like what he is proposing in the Gaza strip. I joked he would turn it into a new Vegas, he is!
He can't do this. It belongs to the Palestinians. He is sending them into other countries, why not in Israel, it was theirs to begin with!
Netayahu says send them to Ireland, what? He just wants them away from Israel and with Trumps help they will be dispersed.I
This makes me angry. I agree with most of what Trump is doing, but not this. It's wrong. It belongs to Palestine.
I can see a war out there.
Nobody is going to take those Palestinians. That idea is dead in the water.
Ideally, you give Gaza back to Egypt . That aint happening either.
What has changed is the US will be pulling aid for them. They can fund their terrorism on someone else's dime..
Yes hope so Madders. All the Palestinians want to do is go back to their land.
If that were the case, there wouldn't have been an October 7th..
They were bombed out of their land by Israel though. I'm not talking about Hamas the terrorists.
It's unfortunate. Like Dresden I guess..🤷
Dresden? That was war. Same as Germany blitzed England. I
Israel and Palestine were not at war.
Maddog said
Feb 9 12:07 AM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
I don't like what he is proposing in the Gaza strip. I joked he would turn it into a new Vegas, he is!
He can't do this. It belongs to the Palestinians. He is sending them into other countries, why not in Israel, it was theirs to begin with!
Netayahu says send them to Ireland, what? He just wants them away from Israel and with Trumps help they will be dispersed.I
This makes me angry. I agree with most of what Trump is doing, but not this. It's wrong. It belongs to Palestine.
I can see a war out there.
Nobody is going to take those Palestinians. That idea is dead in the water.
Ideally, you give Gaza back to Egypt . That aint happening either.
What has changed is the US will be pulling aid for them. They can fund their terrorism on someone else's dime..
Yes hope so Madders. All the Palestinians want to do is go back to their land.
If that were the case, there wouldn't have been an October 7th..
They were bombed out of their land by Israel though. I'm not talking about Hamas the terrorists.
It's unfortunate. Like Dresden I guess..🤷
Dresden? That was war. Same as Germany blitzed England. I
Israel and Palestine were not at war.
What was October 7?
A love offering?
How many rockets have to be launched at a country before we call it a war??
Magica said
Feb 9 12:13 AM, 2025
It was Israel bombing Palestine, Palestine wasn't bombing Israel.
Hamas are terrorist, not a country.
Anonymous said
Feb 9 12:16 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
And while I don't know if Europeans would buy more American cars with a lower tariff on them, it's seems a bit unfair for the EU to charge more than us.
Europeans prefer higher quality cars, not American ones.
That could be the case. But that doesn't change the fact that Europe charges a tariff 4 times higher than the US..
At least they did until yesterday.
There could be 0% tariff on American cars into Europe and it wouldn't matter, people just aren't going to be buying US products for a very long time right now.
I feel sorry for the regular Americans, life is going to be bad for them.
Anonymous said
Feb 9 12:41 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
What was October 7?
A love offering?
How many rockets have to be launched at a country before we call it a war??
So it's all good if people bomb the shit out of America for supplying the weapons to wipe out an entire country's infrastructure and displace the population?
How many rockets does the US provide before we call it a war??
Maddog said
Feb 9 1:08 AM, 2025
Magica wrote:
It was Israel bombing Palestine, Palestine wasn't bombing Israel.
Hamas are terrorist, not a country.
Israel has been subject to rocket attacks for years from Gaza..Difference between Hamas and the Nazis is the Nazis could actually hit something with their rockets..
And Hamas is the government of Gaza. Unfortunately.
Maddog said
Feb 9 1:12 AM, 2025
"Since Hamas’ assault on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, Israeli territory and interests have been targeted from multiple fronts. This includes at least 2,597 incidents of missile, rocket, and drone attacks by Gaza-based Hamas and allies."
This is a war. One side is just incompetent..
Anonymous said
Feb 9 1:20 AM, 2025
Agree with Magica totally, the narrative promoted by the western media that Israel are somehow more moral when commiting genocide is warped. Its like the lives of palastinians matter less somehow..
Magica said
Feb 9 1:56 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
"Since Hamas’ assault on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, Israeli territory and interests have been targeted from multiple fronts. This includes at least 2,597 incidents of missile, rocket, and drone attacks by Gaza-based Hamas and allies."
This is a war. One side is just incompetent..
I didn't know that about Hamas being the Gaza government. I thought it was Palestine.
Trump can't just take it though its still their land unless he is keeping the peace.. Can't have a Vegas type place built there.
I've no love for Hamas, just want to be fair to the people who.live there.
Anonymous said
Feb 9 6:41 AM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Since Hamas’ assault on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, Israeli territory and interests have been targeted from multiple fronts. This includes at least 2,597 incidents of missile, rocket, and drone attacks by Gaza-based Hamas and allies."
This is a war. One side is just incompetent..
I didn't know that about Hamas being the Gaza government. I thought it was Palestine.
Trump can't just take it though its still their land unless he is keeping the peace.. Can't have a Vegas type place built there.
I've no love for Hamas, just want to be fair to the people who.live there.
Hamas is the governing party, like Labour or Lib Dem. The al Qassam brigade is the armed division. There has been no election in Gaza for 17 years and Hamas only got in because the Americans interfered in the final election and insisted it was held earlier than it should have been, the party the US wanted to win wasn't organised in time.
The Palestinian Authority is in charge of the West bank. Palestine is split into Gaza and the West Bank.
Madders is glossing over why Hamas fight back against Israel. In terms of forums, Israel is the persona known as Stooooo with 2000lb bombs supplied by Amberturd’s dump in Johnny’s bed.
Magica said
Feb 9 2:00 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Since Hamas’ assault on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, Israeli territory and interests have been targeted from multiple fronts. This includes at least 2,597 incidents of missile, rocket, and drone attacks by Gaza-based Hamas and allies."
This is a war. One side is just incompetent..
I didn't know that about Hamas being the Gaza government. I thought it was Palestine.
Trump can't just take it though its still their land unless he is keeping the peace.. Can't have a Vegas type place built there.
I've no love for Hamas, just want to be fair to the people who.live there.
Hamas is the governing party, like Labour or Lib Dem. The al Qassam brigade is the armed division. There has been no election in Gaza for 17 years and Hamas only got in because the Americans interfered in the final election and insisted it was held earlier than it should have been, the party the US wanted to win wasn't organised in time.
The Palestinian Authority is in charge of the West bank. Palestine is split into Gaza and the West Bank.
Madders is glossing over why Hamas fight back against Israel. In terms of forums, Israel is the persona known as the persona known as Stooooo with 2000lb bombs supplied by Amberturd’s dump in Johnny’s bed.
Ok, thanks for that.
Maddog said
Feb 9 4:43 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Since Hamas’ assault on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, Israeli territory and interests have been targeted from multiple fronts. This includes at least 2,597 incidents of missile, rocket, and drone attacks by Gaza-based Hamas and allies."
This is a war. One side is just incompetent..
I didn't know that about Hamas being the Gaza government. I thought it was Palestine.
Trump can't just take it though its still their land unless he is keeping the peace.. Can't have a Vegas type place built there.
I've no love for Hamas, just want to be fair to the people who.live there.
Palestine isn't a government. It's not even really a place. Gaza was part of Egypt in your lifetime..
And as the guest has pointed out, the West Bank is run by Fatah. Gaza is run by Hamas which fought a civil war with Fatah for control of Gaza. Because Fatah did the unthinkable. Agreed to peace with Israel..
Magica said
Feb 10 1:43 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Since Hamas’ assault on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, Israeli territory and interests have been targeted from multiple fronts. This includes at least 2,597 incidents of missile, rocket, and drone attacks by Gaza-based Hamas and allies."
This is a war. One side is just incompetent..
I didn't know that about Hamas being the Gaza government. I thought it was Palestine.
Trump can't just take it though its still their land unless he is keeping the peace.. Can't have a Vegas type place built there.
I've no love for Hamas, just want to be fair to the people who.live there.
Palestine isn't a government. It's not even really a place. Gaza was part of Egypt in your lifetime..
And as the guest has pointed out, the West Bank is run by Fatah. Gaza is run by Hamas which fought a civil war with Fatah for control of Gaza. Because Fatah did the unthinkable. Agreed to peace with Israel..
Palestinians lived there, they lived in Israel too.
In 1918 when Britain controlled that land millions of Palestinians.lived there. It was created Israel by UN in 1948 for Jews to live there after the war.
I don't know all the history, far from it, but I'm sure it was called the land of Palestine in the bible.
Syl said
Feb 10 12:34 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Since Hamas’ assault on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, Israeli territory and interests have been targeted from multiple fronts. This includes at least 2,597 incidents of missile, rocket, and drone attacks by Gaza-based Hamas and allies."
This is a war. One side is just incompetent..
I didn't know that about Hamas being the Gaza government. I thought it was Palestine.
Trump can't just take it though its still their land unless he is keeping the peace.. Can't have a Vegas type place built there.
I've no love for Hamas, just want to be fair to the people who.live there.
Palestine isn't a government. It's not even really a place. Gaza was part of Egypt in your lifetime..
And as the guest has pointed out, the West Bank is run by Fatah. Gaza is run by Hamas which fought a civil war with Fatah for control of Gaza. Because Fatah did the unthinkable. Agreed to peace with Israel..
Palestinians lived there, they lived in Israel too.
In 1918 when Britain controlled that land millions of Palestinians.lived there. It was created Israel by UN in 1948 for Jews to live there after the war.
I don't know all the history, far from it, but I'm sure it was called the land of Palestine in the bible.
I don't know all the history either, but I do know when we went to Israel, around 20 years ago, we went on a tour with a guide.
He took us to a brilliant viewpoint, where you could see all over the land, pointed to a golden mosque in one direction, and a huge jewish temple in the other direction, and said 'the next big conflict will be between them, and them'....there will not be peace here.
The terrorist attack on Oct 7th was utterly barbaric, and obviously it started this latest war. But the way the Israelis have responded seems to me to be like a David v Goliath scenario.
So many thousands of innocent people, women, children, old infirm, have died, in Palestine no doubt put down as collateral damage.
Maddog said
Feb 10 3:01 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Since Hamas’ assault on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, Israeli territory and interests have been targeted from multiple fronts. This includes at least 2,597 incidents of missile, rocket, and drone attacks by Gaza-based Hamas and allies."
This is a war. One side is just incompetent..
I didn't know that about Hamas being the Gaza government. I thought it was Palestine.
Trump can't just take it though its still their land unless he is keeping the peace.. Can't have a Vegas type place built there.
I've no love for Hamas, just want to be fair to the people who.live there.
Palestine isn't a government. It's not even really a place. Gaza was part of Egypt in your lifetime..
And as the guest has pointed out, the West Bank is run by Fatah. Gaza is run by Hamas which fought a civil war with Fatah for control of Gaza. Because Fatah did the unthinkable. Agreed to peace with Israel..
Palestinians lived there, they lived in Israel too.
In 1918 when Britain controlled that land millions of Palestinians.lived there. It was created Israel by UN in 1948 for Jews to live there after the war.
I don't know all the history, far from it, but I'm sure it was called the land of Palestine in the bible.
A Palestinian is a modern concept. Same as Jordanian.
They are really just Arabs who have been part of numerous other empires for centuries..
Maddog said
Feb 10 3:04 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Since Hamas’ assault on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, Israeli territory and interests have been targeted from multiple fronts. This includes at least 2,597 incidents of missile, rocket, and drone attacks by Gaza-based Hamas and allies."
This is a war. One side is just incompetent..
I didn't know that about Hamas being the Gaza government. I thought it was Palestine.
Trump can't just take it though its still their land unless he is keeping the peace.. Can't have a Vegas type place built there.
I've no love for Hamas, just want to be fair to the people who.live there.
Palestine isn't a government. It's not even really a place. Gaza was part of Egypt in your lifetime..
And as the guest has pointed out, the West Bank is run by Fatah. Gaza is run by Hamas which fought a civil war with Fatah for control of Gaza. Because Fatah did the unthinkable. Agreed to peace with Israel..
Palestinians lived there, they lived in Israel too.
In 1918 when Britain controlled that land millions of Palestinians.lived there. It was created Israel by UN in 1948 for Jews to live there after the war.
I don't know all the history, far from it, but I'm sure it was called the land of Palestine in the bible.
I don't know all the history either, but I do know when we went to Israel, around 20 years ago, we went on a tour with a guide.
He took us to a brilliant viewpoint, where you could see all over the land, pointed to a golden mosque in one direction, and a huge jewish temple in the other direction, and said 'the next big conflict will be between them, and them'....there will not be peace here.
The terrorist attack on Oct 7th was utterly barbaric, and obviously it started this latest war. But the way the Israelis have responded seems to me to be like a David v Goliath scenario.
So many thousands of innocent people, women, children, old infirm, have died, in Palestine no doubt put down as collateral damage.
If your mission is to destroy Hamas, it's going to be devastating to the people ruled by that terrorist organization.
If the people of Gaza want peace, they need to evict Hamas.
That could be the case. But that doesn't change the fact that Europe charges a tariff 4 times higher than the US..
At least they did until yesterday.
If that were the case, there wouldn't have been an October 7th..
They were bombed out of their land by Israel though. I'm not talking about Hamas the terrorists.
It's unfortunate. Like Dresden I guess..🤷
Dresden? That was war. Same as Germany blitzed England. I
Israel and Palestine were not at war.
What was October 7?
A love offering?
How many rockets have to be launched at a country before we call it a war??
Hamas are terrorist, not a country.
There could be 0% tariff on American cars into Europe and it wouldn't matter, people just aren't going to be buying US products for a very long time right now.
I feel sorry for the regular Americans, life is going to be bad for them.
So it's all good if people bomb the shit out of America for supplying the weapons to wipe out an entire country's infrastructure and displace the population?
How many rockets does the US provide before we call it a war??
Israel has been subject to rocket attacks for years from Gaza..Difference between Hamas and the Nazis is the Nazis could actually hit something with their rockets..
And Hamas is the government of Gaza. Unfortunately.
This is a war. One side is just incompetent..
I didn't know that about Hamas being the Gaza government. I thought it was Palestine.
Trump can't just take it though its still their land unless he is keeping the peace.. Can't have a Vegas type place built there.
I've no love for Hamas, just want to be fair to the people who.live there.
Hamas is the governing party, like Labour or Lib Dem. The al Qassam brigade is the armed division. There has been no election in Gaza for 17 years and Hamas only got in because the Americans interfered in the final election and insisted it was held earlier than it should have been, the party the US wanted to win wasn't organised in time.
The Palestinian Authority is in charge of the West bank. Palestine is split into Gaza and the West Bank.
Madders is glossing over why Hamas fight back against Israel. In terms of forums, Israel is the persona known as Stooooo with 2000lb bombs supplied by Amberturd’s dump in Johnny’s bed.
Ok, thanks for that.
Palestine isn't a government. It's not even really a place. Gaza was part of Egypt in your lifetime..
And as the guest has pointed out, the West Bank is run by Fatah. Gaza is run by Hamas which fought a civil war with Fatah for control of Gaza. Because Fatah did the unthinkable. Agreed to peace with Israel..
Palestinians lived there, they lived in Israel too.
In 1918 when Britain controlled that land millions of Palestinians.lived there. It was created Israel by UN in 1948 for Jews to live there after the war.
I don't know all the history, far from it, but I'm sure it was called the land of Palestine in the bible.
I don't know all the history either, but I do know when we went to Israel, around 20 years ago, we went on a tour with a guide.
He took us to a brilliant viewpoint, where you could see all over the land, pointed to a golden mosque in one direction, and a huge jewish temple in the other direction, and said 'the next big conflict will be between them, and them'....there will not be peace here.
The terrorist attack on Oct 7th was utterly barbaric, and obviously it started this latest war. But the way the Israelis have responded seems to me to be like a David v Goliath scenario.
So many thousands of innocent people, women, children, old infirm, have died, in Palestine no doubt put down as collateral damage.
A Palestinian is a modern concept. Same as Jordanian.
They are really just Arabs who have been part of numerous other empires for centuries..
If your mission is to destroy Hamas, it's going to be devastating to the people ruled by that terrorist organization.
If the people of Gaza want peace, they need to evict Hamas.