But his stupid comments don't give someone else the license to be equally stupid.
If you say stupid shit because he says stupid shit, that's on you..
Maddog said
Sep 11 4:20 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
For anyone who's never seen him speak, this is him answering questions with students. Sadly, for them he's way too clever and ties most of them in knots.
He was bright and a worthy debater..
That's why so many decent people on the left would have debates with him..
Vam said
Sep 11 5:09 PM, 2025
@ Diggs… in answer to your question, and with the caveat that in no way could I ever condone his life being so tragically cut short, I’ll say this:
Yes, he was an extremely bright guy who dropped out of Community College at 18. After which, like many other Influencers/podcasters, he hitched a ride on trump’s bright shiny MAGA juggernaut, but he focused principally on garnering the disaffected youth vote. He set up Turning Point USA, which evolved into a multimillion dollar organisation. His business model was, in essence, triggering, divisive rhetoric aimed at the voracious MAGA base.
His comments/observations can be easily found on Google, and various AI search engines. And on TikTok/YouTube, of course. Like this clip, for example…
@ Diggs… in answer to your question, and with the caveat that in no way could I ever condone his life being so tragically cut short, I’ll say this:
Yes, he was an extremely bright guy who dropped out of Community College at 18. After which, like many other Influencers/podcasters, he hitched a ride on trump’s bright shiny MAGA juggernaut, but he focused principally on garnering the disaffected youth vote. He set up Turning Point USA, which evolved into a multimillion dollar organisation. His business model was, in essence, triggering, divisive rhetoric aimed at the voracious MAGA base.
His comments/observations can be easily found on Google, and various AI search engines. And on TikTok/YouTube, of course. Like this clip, for example…
Or this 👇🏻 (some of which you might agree with, but I’m betting not all!)
He hitched his ride to Christianity and challenging the rabid left.
Trump could have never existed and he still would have had a source for his material and a following, unless it's your assertion that Trump is responsible for the rabid left and the nonsense they support..
Vam said
Sep 11 5:45 PM, 2025
Ffs, MD, that is definitely not my assertion. The rabid Leftists are every bit as corrosive as the rabid Right.
I disagree that Charlie Kirk would have been as prominent and successful, without hanging onto trump’s coattails. Like most MAGA Influencers, he recognised a lucrative market and capitalised on it. But I’ll admit he was way more intuitive and intelligent than most of the mouth breathers in the MAGA ecosystem.
Maddog said
Sep 11 5:45 PM, 2025
Let's put it this way.
Trump and Charlie exist/existed because of one reason.
Same as Farage or LePen.
It's why right wing parties are taking control of Europe.
The left can't stop kicking the ball in their own fucking net with their stupid takes on immigration, gender and race..
Maddog said
Sep 11 5:46 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Ffs, MD, that is definitely not my assertion. The rabid Leftists are every bit as corrosive as the rabid Right.
I disagree that Charlie Kirk would have been as prominent and successful, without hanging onto trump’s coattails. Like most MAGA Influencers, he recognised a lucrative market and capitalised on it. But I’ll admit he was way more intuitive and intelligent than most of the mouth breathers in the MAGA ecosystem.
Read my above post.
Vam said
Sep 11 5:56 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Let's put it this way.
Trump and Charlie exist/existed because of one reason.
Same as Farage or LePen.
It's why right wing parties are taking control of Europe.
The left can't stop kicking the ball in their own fucking net with their stupid takes on immigration, gender and race..
I absolutely agree with all of that, fwiw.
If you want to remain in office, keep ignoring the people’s strident demands at your peril. Plus, the Left’s messaging has sucked big time for as long as I can remember.
Maddog said
Sep 11 6:03 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Let's put it this way.
Trump and Charlie exist/existed because of one reason.
Same as Farage or LePen.
It's why right wing parties are taking control of Europe.
The left can't stop kicking the ball in their own fucking net with their stupid takes on immigration, gender and race..
I absolutely agree with all of that, fwiw.
If you want to remain in office, keep ignoring the people’s strident demands at your peril. Plus, the Left’s messaging has sucked big time for as long as I can remember.
When you create a vacuum, something will fill it..
Vam said
Sep 17 9:48 AM, 2025
Fucking whiny-assed snowflake. What an embarrassment he is on the world stage…
Physically, he is looking bad, stooped and obese, more than he seemed a few weeks ago.
Sadly, he’s not done yet.
The sheer adrenaline of the quasi-monarchal power he holds, and his malevolent narcissistic obsession with revenge on anyone who so much as looks at him wrong, are what will keep him upright for the foreseeable….
Vam said
Sep 17 2:02 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Been watching all the pomp and ceremony on TV....he is absolutely lapping it up.
Our royals have a shit job sometimes.
No one does pomp & ceremony like the Brits, though. Not even close 👏🏻👏🏻 (and ohhhh - those horses!! 💙)
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 17th of September 2025 02:06:16 PM
Syl said
Sep 17 2:32 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Been watching all the pomp and ceremony on TV....he is absolutely lapping it up.
Our royals have a shit job sometimes.
No one does pomp & ceremony like the Brits, though. Not even close 👏🏻👏🏻 (and ohhhh - those horses!! 💙)
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 17th of September 2025 02:06:16 PM
My dad was a Coldstream guard before he joined the police force.
Digger said
Sep 17 2:33 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Been watching all the pomp and ceremony on TV....he is absolutely lapping it up.
Our royals have a shit job sometimes.
No one does pomp & ceremony like the Brits, though. Not even close 👏🏻👏🏻 (and ohhhh - those horses!! 💙)
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 17th of September 2025 02:06:16 PM
My dad was a Coldstream guard before he joined the police force.
Is that him in your avi?
Syl said
Sep 17 2:39 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Been watching all the pomp and ceremony on TV....he is absolutely lapping it up.
Our royals have a shit job sometimes.
No one does pomp & ceremony like the Brits, though. Not even close 👏🏻👏🏻 (and ohhhh - those horses!! 💙)
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 17th of September 2025 02:06:16 PM
My dad was a Coldstream guard before he joined the police force.
Is that him in your avi?
Yes. Maybe taken in the 1940's.
Digger said
Sep 17 2:59 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Been watching all the pomp and ceremony on TV....he is absolutely lapping it up.
Our royals have a shit job sometimes.
No one does pomp & ceremony like the Brits, though. Not even close 👏🏻👏🏻 (and ohhhh - those horses!! 💙)
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 17th of September 2025 02:06:16 PM
My dad was a Coldstream guard before he joined the police force.
Is that him in your avi?
Yes. Maybe taken in the 1940's.
I bet he cut a dash.
Fluffy said
Sep 17 4:16 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Charlie Kirk has been shot.
America is cooked, man.
Yes. Maybe even beyond repair.
This is probably down to my TDS, but…I dunno 🤷🏻♀️…everything just seems to have steadily gotten so much worse since that demonic aberration descended on that tacky escalator just 10 years ago.
It‘s like his toxic presence has been the catalyst to embolden and empower the worst of humanity.
I'm sure those suffering with TDS will be capering with joy to think he's lost a close friend. I blame the woke culture, the nurturing of victimhood, the enabling of entitlement and the delusion that no fucker but a woke leftie has the right to free speech.
(I’m not capering) I couldn’t stand Charlie Kirk‘s divisive extremist rhetoric, and the shameless lies he spewed. That doesn’t mean I’m not saddened by his young family’s loss.
You know what, Diggs? I believe the vast majority of people, of wildly differing political views, religious denominations and ethnicities, just want to peacefully and tolerantly go about their lives without too much drama. They yearn for politics to be boring again.
It’s always a minority who makes things worse for the majority.
Agree completely and utterly.
Most people do.just want peaceful lives. Kirk said some terrible things but nobody except daft kids on Tik Tok and sociopaths would celebrate his passing .Imo most of the random student and teenager accounts that are claiming to be happy about his untimely demise are pretending to in order to impress their friends. Yet these young randoms are being held up as representing the thoughts of everyone on the left, despite all the Democrats leaving posts of nothing but shocked disbelief and sympathy. 31 is no age. It's a waste of a life.
Yet a Democrat in.office was murdered a year ago due to political violence (I would have to Google to find out the gentleman 's name, that's how important his death was considered.) The media in America barely mentioned it and I don't think Trump did either. Yet Kirk 's passing apparently means war and he has been made into a martyr.
People also want life to be fair (as it can be) and not chaotic And MAGA especially Trump thrive's on.chaos and division, gaslighting and outright lying. He has even managed to bury his links to Epstein.
I don't envy the Royal.Family having to pander to him.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 17th of September 2025 04:39:28 PM
Fluffy said
Sep 17 4:23 PM, 2025
Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Been watching all the pomp and ceremony on TV....he is absolutely lapping it up.
Our royals have a shit job sometimes.
No one does pomp & ceremony like the Brits, though. Not even close 👏🏻👏🏻 (and ohhhh - those horses!! 💙)
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 17th of September 2025 02:06:16 PM
The pomp is absurd. There are mini blimps flying high in central London of an orange Trump in a nappy I wrote this on the other thread but for some strange reason I thought you would appreciate knowing that everyone had noted the nappy incident!
They are now watching a military ceremony. The first lady insists on wearing a spaceship like hat that covers her face, even indoors She has yet to take it off all day. Possibly she had surgery that hasn't healed in time.
Kate looks lovely especially considering she has been so ill.
I know Trump isn't helping.
But his stupid comments don't give someone else the license to be equally stupid.
If you say stupid shit because he says stupid shit, that's on you..
He was bright and a worthy debater..
That's why so many decent people on the left would have debates with him..
@ Diggs… in answer to your question, and with the caveat that in no way could I ever condone his life being so tragically cut short, I’ll say this:
Yes, he was an extremely bright guy who dropped out of Community College at 18. After which, like many other Influencers/podcasters, he hitched a ride on trump’s bright shiny MAGA juggernaut, but he focused principally on garnering the disaffected youth vote. He set up Turning Point USA, which evolved into a multimillion dollar organisation. His business model was, in essence, triggering, divisive rhetoric aimed at the voracious MAGA base.
His comments/observations can be easily found on Google, and various AI search engines. And on TikTok/YouTube, of course. Like this clip, for example…
https://x.com/danielsogay/status/1965887308454101427?s=61
Or this 👇🏻 (some of which you might agree with, but I’m betting not all!)
He hitched his ride to Christianity and challenging the rabid left.
Trump could have never existed and he still would have had a source for his material and a following, unless it's your assertion that Trump is responsible for the rabid left and the nonsense they support..
Ffs, MD, that is definitely not my assertion. The rabid Leftists are every bit as corrosive as the rabid Right.
I disagree that Charlie Kirk would have been as prominent and successful, without hanging onto trump’s coattails. Like most MAGA Influencers, he recognised a lucrative market and capitalised on it. But I’ll admit he was way more intuitive and intelligent than most of the mouth breathers in the MAGA ecosystem.
Trump and Charlie exist/existed because of one reason.
Same as Farage or LePen.
It's why right wing parties are taking control of Europe.
The left can't stop kicking the ball in their own fucking net with their stupid takes on immigration, gender and race..
Read my above post.
I absolutely agree with all of that, fwiw.
If you want to remain in office, keep ignoring the people’s strident demands at your peril. Plus, the Left’s messaging has sucked big time for as long as I can remember.
When you create a vacuum, something will fill it..
https://x.com/mollyploofkins/status/1967956847492829514?s=61
He is like a kid in class threatening to snitch.
Physically, he is looking bad, stooped and obese, more than he seemed a few weeks ago.
Our royals have a shit job sometimes.
Sadly, he’s not done yet.
The sheer adrenaline of the quasi-monarchal power he holds, and his malevolent narcissistic obsession with revenge on anyone who so much as looks at him wrong, are what will keep him upright for the foreseeable….
No one does pomp & ceremony like the Brits, though. Not even close 👏🏻👏🏻 (and ohhhh - those horses!! 💙)
-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 17th of September 2025 02:06:16 PM
My dad was a Coldstream guard before he joined the police force.
Is that him in your avi?
Yes. Maybe taken in the 1940's.
I bet he cut a dash.
Agree completely and utterly.
Most people do.just want peaceful lives. Kirk said some terrible things but nobody except daft kids on Tik Tok and sociopaths would celebrate his passing .Imo most of the random student and teenager accounts that are claiming to be happy about his untimely demise are pretending to in order to impress their friends. Yet these young randoms are being held up as representing the thoughts of everyone on the left
, despite all the Democrats leaving posts of nothing but shocked disbelief and sympathy. 31 is no age. It's a waste of a life.
Yet a Democrat in.office was murdered a year ago due to political violence (I would have to Google to find out the gentleman 's name, that's how important his death was considered.) The media in America barely mentioned it and I don't think Trump did either. Yet Kirk 's passing apparently means war and he has been made into a martyr.
People also want life to be fair (as it can be) and not chaotic And MAGA especially Trump thrive's on.chaos and division, gaslighting and outright lying. He has even managed to bury his links to Epstein.
I don't envy the Royal.Family having to pander to him.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 17th of September 2025 04:39:28 PM
The pomp is absurd. There are mini blimps flying high in central London of an orange Trump in a nappy I wrote this on the other thread but for some strange reason I thought you would appreciate knowing that everyone had noted the nappy incident!
They are now watching a military ceremony. The first lady insists on wearing a spaceship like hat that covers her face, even indoors
She has yet to take it off all day. Possibly she had surgery that hasn't healed in time.
Kate looks lovely especially considering she has been so ill.