If people want to sign petitions, they can find them themselves online.
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 15th of September 2025 06:50:36 PM
I signed it
So do you agree that women, who have risked everything to get here, should be sent back to be ruled by the taliban, Mags?
If the government allows Afghani women to stay, then it'll have to let all the others stay. There has to be a deterrent and I think this is the message he's sending out. |Otherwise all these migrants will then jump on the bandwagon of whatever regime they fancy using as an excuse to stay. We can't take the whole bloody world into our country anymore. This will encourage these people to stay in France or other European countries where they'll be perfectly safe.
Syl said
Sep 16 12:18 PM, 2025
I think every case should be taken on merit.
I sure as hell could not send a woman back to a country where she would be ill-treated in the most horrendous ways, even killed.
We would have plenty of places for them to stay and build a life if we sent all the fighting aged men back.
Would you send the young Ukranian women back home who came here for refuge?
Magica said
Sep 16 12:35 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
I think every case should be taken on merit. I sure as hell could not send a woman back to a country where she would be ill-treated in the most horrendous ways, even killed. We would have plenty of places for them to stay and build a life if we sent all the fighting aged men back.
Would you send the young Ukranian women back home who came here for refuge?
If we sent all all those men back we can accommodate women who as I've said many times should never be treated the way they are by the taliban! who
I feel for them lots. the Ukranians,.once theirs.peace can then go back.
Syl I If we were bombed here, who the he'll will take us, !like the lastvwar, no one!
Digger said
Sep 16 2:48 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
I think every case should be taken on merit. I sure as hell could not send a woman back to a country where she would be ill-treated in the most horrendous ways, even killed. We would have plenty of places for them to stay and build a life if we sent all the fighting aged men back.
Would you send the young Ukranian women back home who came here for refuge?
I wouldn't want to send anyone back to a regime that would kill them. I'm sure individual merits will have some standing, but how is it fair when there are legal migrants trying to get to safety who are pushed to the back by the illegal ones? There's no easy answer. But we do need a sharp deterrent. Because all those women will have other family, men, and kids. And we'll still be in the same place we are now. You tell me what you'd do.
Digger said
Sep 16 2:51 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think every case should be taken on merit. I sure as hell could not send a woman back to a country where she would be ill-treated in the most horrendous ways, even killed. We would have plenty of places for them to stay and build a life if we sent all the fighting aged men back.
Would you send the young Ukranian women back home who came here for refuge?
If we sent all all those men back we can accommodate women who as I've said many times should never be treated the way they are by the taliban! who
I feel for them lots. the Ukranians,.once theirs.peace can then go back.
Syl I If we were bombed here, who the he'll will take us, !like the lastvwar, no one!
And what if those women are married? And what if the illegal migrants think that's good way to get over here as a ruse. So what they'll do is start sending boatloads of women over secure in the knowledge that they'll get way in through the back door as spouses. Also, women and kids will be on benefits. How are they going to work and contribute? More strain on our funds and benefits and NHS and schools. There has to be a point where you go...NO MORE.
Digger said
Sep 16 3:00 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
I think every case should be taken on merit. I sure as hell could not send a woman back to a country where she would be ill-treated in the most horrendous ways, even killed. We would have plenty of places for them to stay and build a life if we sent all the fighting aged men back.
Would you send the young Ukranian women back home who came here for refuge?
The Ukranians who came here had to have sponsors in the UK. They were offered homes by UK families. Those who didn't couldn't come. Did you offer them a home?
What about the Yazidi women being abused and slaughtered by ISIS? What about the genocide in Sudan? What about the dire situation for women being burned alive in Nigeria? In Haiti? I could go on.
Be realistic.
Syl said
Sep 16 4:36 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think every case should be taken on merit. I sure as hell could not send a woman back to a country where she would be ill-treated in the most horrendous ways, even killed. We would have plenty of places for them to stay and build a life if we sent all the fighting aged men back.
Would you send the young Ukranian women back home who came here for refuge?
The Ukranians who came here had to have sponsors in the UK. They were offered homes by UK families. Those who didn't couldn't come. Did you offer them a home?
What about the Yazidi women being abused and slaughtered by ISIS? What about the genocide in Sudan? What about the dire situation for women being burned alive in Nigeria? In Haiti? I could go on.
Be realistic.
My point was the UK helped those women from the Ukraine, they didn't ignore the danger they would have been in, and as far as I know none were sent back home, even when the sponsorship scheme didn't always work.
If a woman has managed to get here from a country where she will be killed if she returns, she shouldn't be returned, it's as simple as that.
When the women from Ukraine came in 2022....
"Where the guest cannot stay with the sponsor/host upon arrival due to safeguarding or accommodation concerns, the council should help secure or provide alternative accommodation. In such cases, the guest is eligible for homelessness assistance. Any applications for homelessness assistance should be assessed in the usual way."
Syl said
Sep 16 4:43 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think every case should be taken on merit. I sure as hell could not send a woman back to a country where she would be ill-treated in the most horrendous ways, even killed. We would have plenty of places for them to stay and build a life if we sent all the fighting aged men back.
Would you send the young Ukranian women back home who came here for refuge?
If we sent all all those men back we can accommodate women who as I've said many times should never be treated the way they are by the taliban! who
I feel for them lots. the Ukranians,.once theirs.peace can then go back.
Syl I If we were bombed here, who the he'll will take us, !like the lastvwar, no one!
Millions of women wanted to help with the war effort in WW2, my own mum worked making aeroplane parts in a local factory. Also, in the world wars, the enemy was foreign, not our own countrymen.
But some countries took in the kids, not always successfully I know, but at least those kids were not at risk of being bombed to death.
"During World War 2, British children were evacuated to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States. The Children's Overseas Reception Board (CORB) sponsored 2,664 children primarily to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, with some also going to the USA. Many other children were evacuated by private means, often to the United States."
-- Edited by Syl on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 04:52:40 PM
Digger said
Sep 16 5:07 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
I think every case should be taken on merit. I sure as hell could not send a woman back to a country where she would be ill-treated in the most horrendous ways, even killed. We would have plenty of places for them to stay and build a life if we sent all the fighting aged men back.
Would you send the young Ukranian women back home who came here for refuge?
If we sent all all those men back we can accommodate women who as I've said many times should never be treated the way they are by the taliban! who
I feel for them lots. the Ukranians,.once theirs.peace can then go back.
Syl I If we were bombed here, who the he'll will take us, !like the lastvwar, no one!
Millions of women wanted to help with the war effort in WW2, my own mum worked making aeroplane parts in a local factory. Also, in the world wars, the enemy was foreign, not our own countrymen.
But some countries took in the kids, not always successfully I know, but at least those kids were not at risk of being bombed to death.
"During World War 2, British children were evacuated to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States. The Children's Overseas Reception Board (CORB) sponsored 2,664 children primarily to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, with some also going to the USA. Many other children were evacuated by private means, often to the United States."
-- Edited by Syl on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 04:52:40 PM
An idealised view of what went on. My mum was evacuated during the war and it traumatised her for life. She had a terrible time, and suffered anxiety and panic attacks from then until the time she died. She blamed it on how she was treated, and at 5 years' old, she had no understanding of why her parents had, as she saw it, abandoned her.
I posted facts, nothing to do with an idealised view.
No child wants to be separated from it's home and parents, but better than being in the home when it's bombed, which happened to many who were not evacuated.
My mum was a young married, dad was abroad fighting, mum was working in munitions, she had a baby son, it was hell and she never got over it either....nothing is easy in wartime.
Anonymous said
Sep 16 5:57 PM, 2025
“THE second planned “one in, one out” deportation flight has taken off without a single boat migrant on board — in another huge blow for Sir Keir Starmer.
“THE second planned “one in, one out” deportation flight has taken off without a single boat migrant on board — in another huge blow for Sir Keir Starmer.
“THE second planned “one in, one out” deportation flight has taken off without a single boat migrant on board — in another huge blow for Sir Keir Starmer.
They’ve had a few years to have put a solid plan together…during the Tories and just over a year in “power” and still feck up.
No one anticipated and were ready for legal challenge(s)? - I feel they’re just going through the motions, no intention of booting illegals out.
Fecking useless, each and every one of them. Other countries are taking positive action
Magica said
Sep 17 1:08 AM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
“THE second planned “one in, one out” deportation flight has taken off without a single boat migrant on board — in another huge blow for Sir Keir Starmer.
They’ve had a few years to have put a solid plan together…during the Tories and just over a year in “power” and still feck up.
No one anticipated and were ready for legal challenge(s)? - I feel they’re just going through the motions, no intention of booting illegals out.
Fecking useless, each and every one of them. Other countries are taking positive action
Ironically the human rights law against deporting immigrants was signed by ...
Yes Starmer!
Come back to haunt him now.
Anonymous said
Sep 17 2:00 AM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
“THE second planned “one in, one out” deportation flight has taken off without a single boat migrant on board — in another huge blow for Sir Keir Starmer.
They’ve had a few years to have put a solid plan together…during the Tories and just over a year in “power” and still feck up.
No one anticipated and were ready for legal challenge(s)? - I feel they’re just going through the motions, no intention of booting illegals out.
Fecking useless, each and every one of them. Other countries are taking positive action
Ironically the human rights law against deporting immigrants was signed by ...
Yes Starmer!
Come back to haunt him now.
And as far as I know he’s the same bloke who the immigrants have to thank for getting benefits.
I’ve never been into politics, voted only once in my life when I was legally old enough and never bothered since. I found all of them much of a muchness, no matter the party. However, I do follow immigration, particularly the illegals. The only MP I’ve come across who seems to have a backbone particularly re immigration is Rupert Lowe who is, thankfully, unashamedly vocal about it. No idea what his views are on anything else, immigration and the impact it’s having on the UK is what concerns me the most. He could prove to be as useless as the others but at the moment I would actually vote for him on this stance alone.
When I see pic after pic of these illegals being welcomed onto our soil it literally hurts my heart to think of all the British lives that have been lost in past wars keeping this country safe to now having useless morons readily giving it away. All those lives lost, all the lives being affected now. It’s shameful. It angers me beyond words.
Digger said
Sep 17 11:17 AM, 2025
A group of critically ill and injured children have been evacuated from Gaza to the UK for urgent NHS medical treatment, the Government has announced.
With the state of the NHS - I've just read a harrowing story about a toddler who died who's face got eaten by cancer due to doctors dismissing the symptoms and waiting months to do a scan, you'd think they'd choose from a multitude of nearer hospitals of a much higher calibre.
Not that I've got any objection to these kids being helped, but it doesn't seem logical. Also, if you're critically ill, surely a long haul flight would be detrimental to you?
Syl said
Sep 17 11:54 AM, 2025
Digger wrote:
A group of critically ill and injured children have been evacuated from Gaza to the UK for urgent NHS medical treatment, the Government has announced.
With the state of the NHS - I've just read a harrowing story about a toddler who died who's face got eaten by cancer due to doctors dismissing the symptoms and waiting months to do a scan, you'd think they'd choose from a multitude of nearer hospitals of a much higher calibre.
Not that I've got any objection to these kids being helped, but it doesn't seem logical. Also, if you're critically ill, surely a long haul flight would be detrimental to you?
I suppose if the odds are dying through no treatment at all, or enduring a flight with treatment at the end of it, the second option would be preferable.
Maddog said
Sep 17 4:14 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
A group of critically ill and injured children have been evacuated from Gaza to the UK for urgent NHS medical treatment, the Government has announced.
With the state of the NHS - I've just read a harrowing story about a toddler who died who's face got eaten by cancer due to doctors dismissing the symptoms and waiting months to do a scan, you'd think they'd choose from a multitude of nearer hospitals of a much higher calibre.
Not that I've got any objection to these kids being helped, but it doesn't seem logical. Also, if you're critically ill, surely a long haul flight would be detrimental to you?
One would think the wealthy Gulf States could handle this?
Maybe they are and this flight to the UK is overflow
Digger said
Sep 17 4:59 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
A group of critically ill and injured children have been evacuated from Gaza to the UK for urgent NHS medical treatment, the Government has announced.
With the state of the NHS - I've just read a harrowing story about a toddler who died who's face got eaten by cancer due to doctors dismissing the symptoms and waiting months to do a scan, you'd think they'd choose from a multitude of nearer hospitals of a much higher calibre.
Not that I've got any objection to these kids being helped, but it doesn't seem logical. Also, if you're critically ill, surely a long haul flight would be detrimental to you?
One would think the wealthy Gulf States could handle this?
Maybe they are and this flight to the UK is overflow
Possibly. Every hospital will have it's own quota of nationals to deal with and you can't shove them all to the back of the queue for everyone else
Maddog said
Sep 17 5:02 PM, 2025
When it comes to the Palestinian problem, it's important to remember their Arab neighbors in Egypt have built a series of walls that would give Trump a boner..
If the government allows Afghani women to stay, then it'll have to let all the others stay. There has to be a deterrent and I think this is the message he's sending out. |Otherwise all these migrants will then jump on the bandwagon of whatever regime they fancy using as an excuse to stay. We can't take the whole bloody world into our country anymore. This will encourage these people to stay in France or other European countries where they'll be perfectly safe.
I sure as hell could not send a woman back to a country where she would be ill-treated in the most horrendous ways, even killed.
We would have plenty of places for them to stay and build a life if we sent all the fighting aged men back.
Would you send the young Ukranian women back home who came here for refuge?
If we sent all all those men back we can accommodate women who as I've said many times should never be treated the way they are by the taliban! who
I feel for them lots. the Ukranians,.once theirs.peace can then go back.
Syl I If we were bombed here, who the he'll will take us, !like the lastvwar, no one!
I wouldn't want to send anyone back to a regime that would kill them. I'm sure individual merits will have some standing, but how is it fair when there are legal migrants trying to get to safety who are pushed to the back by the illegal ones? There's no easy answer. But we do need a sharp deterrent. Because all those women will have other family, men, and kids. And we'll still be in the same place we are now. You tell me what you'd do.
And what if those women are married? And what if the illegal migrants think that's good way to get over here as a ruse. So what they'll do is start sending boatloads of women over secure in the knowledge that they'll get way in through the back door as spouses. Also, women and kids will be on benefits. How are they going to work and contribute? More strain on our funds and benefits and NHS and schools. There has to be a point where you go...NO MORE.
The Ukranians who came here had to have sponsors in the UK. They were offered homes by UK families. Those who didn't couldn't come. Did you offer them a home?
What about the Yazidi women being abused and slaughtered by ISIS? What about the genocide in Sudan? What about the dire situation for women being burned alive in Nigeria? In Haiti? I could go on.
Be realistic.
My point was the UK helped those women from the Ukraine, they didn't ignore the danger they would have been in, and as far as I know none were sent back home, even when the sponsorship scheme didn't always work.
If a woman has managed to get here from a country where she will be killed if she returns, she shouldn't be returned, it's as simple as that.
When the women from Ukraine came in 2022....
"Where the guest cannot stay with the sponsor/host upon arrival due to safeguarding or accommodation concerns, the council should help secure or provide alternative accommodation. In such cases, the guest is eligible for homelessness assistance. Any applications for homelessness assistance should be assessed in the usual way."
Millions of women wanted to help with the war effort in WW2, my own mum worked making aeroplane parts in a local factory. Also, in the world wars, the enemy was foreign, not our own countrymen.
But some countries took in the kids, not always successfully I know, but at least those kids were not at risk of being bombed to death.
"During World War 2, British children were evacuated to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States. The Children's Overseas Reception Board (CORB) sponsored 2,664 children primarily to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa, with some also going to the USA. Many other children were evacuated by private means, often to the United States."
-- Edited by Syl on Tuesday 16th of September 2025 04:52:40 PM
An idealised view of what went on. My mum was evacuated during the war and it traumatised her for life. She had a terrible time, and suffered anxiety and panic attacks from then until the time she died. She blamed it on how she was treated, and at 5 years' old, she had no understanding of why her parents had, as she saw it, abandoned her.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/sep/03/alexander-chancellor-wartime-evacuees
No child wants to be separated from it's home and parents, but better than being in the home when it's bombed, which happened to many who were not evacuated.
My mum was a young married, dad was abroad fighting, mum was working in munitions, she had a baby son, it was hell and she never got over it either....nothing is easy in wartime.
“THE second planned “one in, one out” deportation flight has taken off without a single boat migrant on board — in another huge blow for Sir Keir Starmer.
An Air France flight from Heathrow to Charles de Gaulle airport in Paris left with no asylum seekers after more last-minute challenges again blocked the start of the deportation pact.” https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/36721651/second-deportation-flight/
Well i think we all knew that was going to happen
They’ve had a few years to have put a solid plan together…during the Tories and just over a year in “power” and still feck up.
No one anticipated and were ready for legal challenge(s)? - I feel they’re just going through the motions, no intention of booting illegals out.
Fecking useless, each and every one of them. Other countries are taking positive action
Ironically the human rights law against deporting immigrants was signed by ...
Yes Starmer!
Come back to haunt him now.
And as far as I know he’s the same bloke who the immigrants have to thank for getting benefits.
I’ve never been into politics, voted only once in my life when I was legally old enough and never bothered since. I found all of them much of a muchness, no matter the party. However, I do follow immigration, particularly the illegals. The only MP I’ve come across who seems to have a backbone particularly re immigration is Rupert Lowe who is, thankfully, unashamedly vocal about it. No idea what his views are on anything else, immigration and the impact it’s having on the UK is what concerns me the most. He could prove to be as useless as the others but at the moment I would actually vote for him on this stance alone.
When I see pic after pic of these illegals being welcomed onto our soil it literally hurts my heart to think of all the British lives that have been lost in past wars keeping this country safe to now having useless morons readily giving it away. All those lives lost, all the lives being affected now. It’s shameful. It angers me beyond words.
A group of critically ill and injured children have been evacuated from Gaza to the UK for urgent NHS medical treatment, the Government has announced.
With the state of the NHS - I've just read a harrowing story about a toddler who died who's face got eaten by cancer due to doctors dismissing the symptoms and waiting months to do a scan, you'd think they'd choose from a multitude of nearer hospitals of a much higher calibre.
Not that I've got any objection to these kids being helped, but it doesn't seem logical. Also, if you're critically ill, surely a long haul flight would be detrimental to you?
I suppose if the odds are dying through no treatment at all, or enduring a flight with treatment at the end of it, the second option would be preferable.
One would think the wealthy Gulf States could handle this?
Maybe they are and this flight to the UK is overflow
Possibly. Every hospital will have it's own quota of nationals to deal with and you can't shove them all to the back of the queue for everyone else