When it comes to the Palestinian problem, it's important to remember their Arab neighbors in Egypt have built a series of walls that would give Trump a boner..
In the stampede to trash Israel, the woke West seems to conveniently brush that under the prayer mat.
Anonymous said
Sep 18 7:33 AM, 2025
A story buried by the BBC - Lancashire Regional News.
Headline: Man charged with murdering baby he wanted to adopt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y21d4zrrxo
Dig into the article: A man has appeared in court accused of sexually assaulting and murdering a 13-month-old boy he was seeking to adopt.
High school teacher Jamie Varley is also accused of repeated counts of assault, cruelty and indecent images.
All of the charges relate to Preston Davey, who was pronounced dead shortly after he was taken to Blackpool Victoria Hospital in July 2023.
Mr Varley, 36, and his 31-year-old co-accused John McGowan-Fazakerley were in the process of adopting Preston. Both men were remanded in custody following brief hearings at Lancaster Magistrates' Court....
My summary: a homosexual couple in the process of adopting a 13 month old boy repeatedly sexually assault the child, post the images on line. The baby dies from its injuries.
One can learn a lot about the BBC by researching its website - seeing the stories it promotes and comparing that the stories it buries in the regional news section. Note no headline referring to the fact this was a homosexual couple and the issues surrounding homosexual couples adopting babies / children of the same sex as the homosexual couple.
Anonymous said
Sep 18 7:48 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
When it comes to the Palestinian problem, it's important to remember their Arab neighbors in Egypt have built a series of walls that would give Trump a boner..
And the BBC produced two articles a month or two afterwards following the HAMAS attack saying that it was important for Egypt to prevent Gazans entering Egypt as that would allow Israel to displace the Gazans into the Sinai Desert (which was originally possessed by Israel following the 1967 Arabic Islamic invasion which attempted to annihilate Israel - the so called six day war). Immediately following the HAMAS attack the BBC produced several articles saying they wouldn't call HAMAS a terrorist organisation (nor Hezbollah etc) because they wanted to remain "neutral".
Similarly the Ukraine - Russian conflict has not been reported accurately by the BBC - both historically and ongoing. As soon as hostilities broke out Boris Johnson banned internet access to Russian news sources from the UK and gave the BBC tax payers monies to "counter the Russian propaganda".
Monitoring the BBC for about twenty years it has become all narrative rather than unbiased fact based reporting.
Anonymous said
Sep 18 8:00 AM, 2025
With regard the grooming gangs I remember listening to French radio and they reported that the grooming gangs also trafficked many girls out of the UK but that was never reported by the BBC or British Media. When one looks at the BBC regional sections there are lot of current stories regarding missing girls as well as ongoing cases associated with historical and current grooming - but 95 % of these stories are never highlighted nor go into the main web pages of the BBC - which is reserved for the BBC favorite narratives.
Anonymous said
Sep 18 8:31 AM, 2025
Here is a story you hadn't heard about. Following the Southport murders (29 July 2024) a man tried to copy the Southport murderer by stabbing a little white girl but fortunately the girl survived. Again the story was buried in regional news.
Headline: Man who stabbed girl, 9, in attempted murder jailed
"A man who repeatedly stabbed a nine-year-old girl in an attempt to kill her has been jailed for 30 years.
Jordan Wilkes, 29, from New Milton, attacked the girl, who was playing outside his flat with a friend, in August 2024 ... the girl was not known to Wilkes before the attack ... She had been playing in a communal stairwell when Wilkes came out of his flat and stabbed her with a penknife three times, once to her jaw, then her shoulder and knee.
The girl and her friend managed to get away and knocked on a number of doors before a neighbour took them in and called the emergency services...."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20z4edx8djo
** the stabbing occurred 20 August 2024 three weeks following the Southport Murders. It was known to be a copycat attempt because his internet search history on killing children started immediately after the Southport murders.
Anonymous said
Sep 18 6:08 PM, 2025
Handing over £millions to the French has paid off…Labour has managed to get ONE illegal on a plane. To the world’s press he brags of ONE return. https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1968686500020687260
Magica said
Sep 19 3:57 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
Handing over £millions to the French has paid off…Labour has managed to get ONE illegal on a plane. To the world’s press he brags of ONE return. https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1968686500020687260
Anonymous said
Sep 19 5:16 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Handing over £millions to the French has paid off…Labour has managed to get ONE illegal on a plane. To the world’s press he brags of ONE return. https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1968686500020687260
No. 10 is popping corks, another has been given wings. Starmer’s on a roll, Trump’s being trumped.
Red Okktober said
Sep 20 12:53 PM, 2025
Make that 3!
Meanwhile, 1,072 more illegals came in on Friday, I suppose if we deduct the 3 that went back (at the UK's expense), that's a net total of 1,069 - great job sir Keir!
Darn it! I forgot that 3 are coming from France (also at the UK's expense) to replace them. Back to 1,072 then in one day. The 3 from France are due in next week, but it might not actually be 3, as the Home Office has said that the numbers coming in will be 'at or close to parity'. It's supposed to be 'a one in one out' deal - if the in and out numbers don't match on the first exchange, even just by one, it's going to make Starmer look an even bigger fool. He'd better send someone to do a head count
In response to Trump's suggestion about using the miilitary, David Lammy has referred to the UK Border Force as being 'amazing' LoL
Syl said
Sep 20 1:21 PM, 2025
Our maritime laws prevent the navy getting involved, I think it's time they were updated, not least to protect the UK from what is happening.
Fluffy said
Sep 21 12:30 PM, 2025
If Reform get in (despite Brexit, ofwhich Farage was the figurehead ,being the sole reason we are unable to return the small boats to their place of origin) they have to leave the European Courts of Human Rights to solve the small boats crisis. Otherwise they will be breaking International Law.
This will be an unmitigated disaster for all residing in the UK as our basic civil rights will be removed. It will make Brexit look like childsplay.
Workers will lose Rights to receive basic pay, other countries will not want to trade with us ,pensioners would lose benefits Farage promised a crackdown on benefits but I don't think pensioners realised he meant them)and the right to a fair trial.
It would all be up to millionaire and friend of President Trump Farage what happens to UK residents as we will basically have lost our HUMAN RIGHTS. But that's ok because at least there won't be any immigrants here, the women we return to the Taliban won't be anywhere as they will be dead.That is the stark reality. Hopefully the children will survive.
below is just a few tidbits of what will happen if UK choose to vote for Nigel Farage, who intends to leave the European Courts of Human Rights.
Rights Potentially Lost for Pensioners
1. Right to a Fair Trial
Pensioners could face challenges in accessing justice if their rights to a fair trial are compromised, particularly in disputes over pensions or benefits.
2. Protection Against Discrimination
The ECHR provides protections against discrimination based on age, which is crucial for pensioners. Without these protections, age-related discrimination could become more prevalent.
3. Right to Privacy
Pensioners may lose protections related to their personal data and privacy, which are currently safeguarded under ECHR rulings.
International Relations
Council of Europe Membership: Exiting the ECHR would likely require leaving the Council of Europe, which could isolate the UK from other European nations.
Trade Agreements: The UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement relies on adherence to the ECHR. Leaving could jeopardize this agreement, leading to potential trade repercussions.
Impact of Leaving the European Court of Human Rights on Workers
Leaving the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) could significantly affect workers' rights in the UK. The ECHR provides a framework for various human rights protections, including those relevant to labor and employment.
Loss of Legal Protections
If the UK were to exit the ECHR, workers could lose access to several key rights currently protected under the Human Rights Act 1998, which incorporates ECHR rights into UK law. This includes:
Right to Fair Treatment: The ECHR ensures that workers have the right to fair treatment in the workplace, including protection against discrimination and unfair dismissal.
Changes in National Legislation
Countries that leave the ECHR might choose to amend or repeal laws that align with ECHR standards. This could result in weaker labor laws, affecting job security, wages, and working conditions for employees.
Impact on Collective Bargaining
The ECHR supports the right to form and join trade unions. Leaving the court could undermine the legal protections for collective bargaining, making it more difficult for workers to negotiate better terms and conditions.
Potential for Increased Discrimination
Without the ECHR's protections against discrimination, marginalized groups within the workforce may face heightened risks of unfair treatment based on race, gender, disability, or other factors.
Fluffy said
Sep 21 1:09 PM, 2025
Red Okktober wrote:
Make that 3!
Meanwhile, 1,072 more illegals came in on Friday, I suppose if we deduct the 3 that went back (at the UK's expense), that's a net total of 1,069 - great job sir Keir!
Darn it! I forgot that 3 are coming from France (also at the UK's expense) to replace them. Back to 1,072 then in one day. The 3 from France are due in next week, but it might not actually be 3, as the Home Office has said that the numbers coming in will be 'at or close to parity'. It's supposed to be 'a one in one out' deal - if the in and out numbers don't match on the first exchange, even just by one, it's going to make Starmer look an even bigger fool. He'd better send someone to do a head count
In response to Trump's suggestion about using the miilitary, David Lammy has referred to the UK Border Force as being 'amazing' LoL
No, great job Nigel Farage and Brexit voters. The reason we can't return the small boats to France or their place of origin is all because we chose to leave the EU and with it the Dublin convention. France doesn't have to help us at all, if we don't want to. They did it to help. Maybe voters should have educated themselves before being so rash but in fairness I don't blame the electorate, they were conned by manipulating bigots like Farage and Michael Gove who didn't tell the public how immigration would effect the UK negatively if we left the EU. But when I see people who voted Brexit, causing our inability to return the small boats, wrongly blame Starmer it's absurd. He is bound by the rules of Brexit , his hands are tied. If we were still in the EU we COULD return the boats to France.
However Labour and other parties should speak up more in the media about Brexit being the legal reason immigration has got far worse. They don't because they don't want to offend Brexit voters. However I think these Brexit voters who point the finger at others when THEIR choice has caused the increase in small boats should eat some humble pie
The fact is that Brexit has made the English Channel more vulnerable to small boat crossings because it has removed the UK from an agreed mechanism that ensured asylum seekers arriving from another EU country could be returned to it to have their applications for asylum processed.
This provision was initially negotiated between EU members back in 1990 and is known as the Dublin Regulation. It remains in force, but because of Brexit we are no longer a party to it.
What does that mean in practice? Before Brexit, when the UK was in the EU, the UK could send asylum seekers back to the EU country that they entered first after escaping persecution in their homeland.
Inevitably, there has been an increase in Channel crossings. Since there’s no easy legal way to return people to France or elsewhere, more asylum seekers attempt dangerous boat journeys.
You wouldn’t know it from the way he is weaponising the issue for his own political ends, but if there’s one person more responsible for the “small boats” migration crisis than anyone else, it’s Nigel Farage.
Yet far from being blamed, as he should be, for a situation where migrants – both legal and illegal – are risking their lives to reach Britain’s shores, many misguidedly see him as the one blameless politician prepared to call out the incompetence of successive governments.
If Reform get in (despite Brexit, ofwhich Farage was the figurehead ,being the sole reason we are unable to return the small boats to their place of origin) they have to leave the European Courts of Human Rights to solve the small boats crisis. Otherwise they will be breaking International Law.
This will be an unmitigated disaster for all residing in the UK as our basic civil rights will be removed. It will make Brexit look like childsplay.
Workers will lose Rights to receive basic pay, other countries will not want to trade with us ,pensioners would lose benefits Farage promised a crackdown on benefits but I don't think pensioners realised he meant them)and the right to a fair trial.
It would all be up to millionaire and friend of President Trump Farage what happens to UK residents as we will basically have lost our HUMAN RIGHTS. But that's ok because at least there won't be any immigrants here, the women we return to the Taliban won't be anywhere as they will be dead.That is the stark reality. Hopefully the children will survive.
below is just a few tidbits of what will happen if UK choose to vote for Nigel Farage, who intends to leave the European Courts of Human Rights.
Rights Potentially Lost for Pensioners
1. Right to a Fair Trial
Pensioners could face challenges in accessing justice if their rights to a fair trial are compromised, particularly in disputes over pensions or benefits.
2. Protection Against Discrimination
The ECHR provides protections against discrimination based on age, which is crucial for pensioners. Without these protections, age-related discrimination could become more prevalent.
3. Right to Privacy
Pensioners may lose protections related to their personal data and privacy, which are currently safeguarded under ECHR rulings.
International Relations
Council of Europe Membership: Exiting the ECHR would likely require leaving the Council of Europe, which could isolate the UK from other European nations.
Trade Agreements: The UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement relies on adherence to the ECHR. Leaving could jeopardize this agreement, leading to potential trade repercussions.
Impact of Leaving the European Court of Human Rights on Workers
Leaving the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) could significantly affect workers' rights in the UK. The ECHR provides a framework for various human rights protections, including those relevant to labor and employment.
Loss of Legal Protections
If the UK were to exit the ECHR, workers could lose access to several key rights currently protected under the Human Rights Act 1998, which incorporates ECHR rights into UK law. This includes:
Right to Fair Treatment: The ECHR ensures that workers have the right to fair treatment in the workplace, including protection against discrimination and unfair dismissal.
Changes in National Legislation
Countries that leave the ECHR might choose to amend or repeal laws that align with ECHR standards. This could result in weaker labor laws, affecting job security, wages, and working conditions for employees.
Impact on Collective Bargaining
The ECHR supports the right to form and join trade unions. Leaving the court could undermine the legal protections for collective bargaining, making it more difficult for workers to negotiate better terms and conditions.
Potential for Increased Discrimination
Without the ECHR's protections against discrimination, marginalized groups within the workforce may face heightened risks of unfair treatment based on race, gender, disability, or other factors.
If Reform get in (despite Brexit, ofwhich Farage was the figurehead ,being the sole reason we are unable to return the small boats to their place of origin)
Return the boats to where? Eritrea? Syria? Afghanistan? Gaza? Iran? Half of Africa? Voting Brexit was mainly about freeing us from the shackles of Brussels in order to have more say over our rights and laws as a country. But it wasn't implemented, hence the mess we're in now.
The Equality Act still protects against age discrimination in the UK, even after leaving the ECHR, because the Act is domestic law and incorporates protections derived from both EU directives and previous national legislation. While the ECHR is an international treaty, the Equality Act is the key domestic legislation that prohibits discrimination based on age in areas like employment, services, and public functions.
The problem with the ECHR is not that it is an international treaty. The problem is that the Court has made it into a dynamic treaty. Rather than simply upholding the terms agreed by the member states, the Strasbourg Court has, since the 1970s, said that the ECHR is a “living instrument”, the meaning of which changes as the Court decides a succession of cases and divines a changing European consensus. In other words, it's remade the Convention, imposing far reaching new obligations on states and driving its own vision for social, moral and political reform across Europe. Most strikingly, the Strasbourg Court has invented a whole new European law of immigration and asylum which has no foundation in the original agreement.
So, what has the ECHR ever done for the UK? Exclusively provided the right to fair trial, the right to privacy, freedom from torture, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom from discrimination, freedom from slavery blah blah?
The protection of rights and freedoms in the UK long predated the ECHR. We do not owe fair trials or the abolition of slavery to the Strasbourg Court. With Parliament’s support, the Government could refuse to comply with judgments that brazenly misinterpret the text of the ECHR and thus depart from the terms that the UK, like other member states, agreed. But we have had two successive spineless and weak leaders. Leaving the ECHR would restore Parliament’s freedom, on behalf of the British people, to decide what our laws should be. Bringing the Strasbourg Court’s jurisdiction over the UK to an end would strengthen parliamentary democracy.
I don't think for one moment the UK will suddenly become a hot bed of all those points you've listed. Laws are incredibly hard to change and we won't go backwards.
Fluffy said
Sep 21 6:25 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
If Reform get in (despite Brexit, ofwhich Farage was the figurehead ,being the sole reason we are unable to return the small boats to their place of origin) they have to leave the European Courts of Human Rights to solve the small boats crisis. Otherwise they will be breaking International Law.
This will be an unmitigated disaster for all residing in the UK as our basic civil rights will be removed. It will make Brexit look like childsplay.
Workers will lose Rights to receive basic pay, other countries will not want to trade with us ,pensioners would lose benefits Farage promised a crackdown on benefits but I don't think pensioners realised he meant them)and the right to a fair trial.
It would all be up to millionaire and friend of President Trump Farage what happens to UK residents as we will basically have lost our HUMAN RIGHTS. But that's ok because at least there won't be any immigrants here, the women we return to the Taliban won't be anywhere as they will be dead.That is the stark reality. Hopefully the children will survive.
below is just a few tidbits of what will happen if UK choose to vote for Nigel Farage, who intends to leave the European Courts of Human Rights.
Rights Potentially Lost for Pensioners
1. Right to a Fair Trial
Pensioners could face challenges in accessing justice if their rights to a fair trial are compromised, particularly in disputes over pensions or benefits.
2. Protection Against Discrimination
The ECHR provides protections against discrimination based on age, which is crucial for pensioners. Without these protections, age-related discrimination could become more prevalent.
3. Right to Privacy
Pensioners may lose protections related to their personal data and privacy, which are currently safeguarded under ECHR rulings.
International Relations
Council of Europe Membership: Exiting the ECHR would likely require leaving the Council of Europe, which could isolate the UK from other European nations.
Trade Agreements: The UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement relies on adherence to the ECHR. Leaving could jeopardize this agreement, leading to potential trade repercussions.
Impact of Leaving the European Court of Human Rights on Workers
Leaving the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) could significantly affect workers' rights in the UK. The ECHR provides a framework for various human rights protections, including those relevant to labor and employment.
Loss of Legal Protections
If the UK were to exit the ECHR, workers could lose access to several key rights currently protected under the Human Rights Act 1998, which incorporates ECHR rights into UK law. This includes:
Right to Fair Treatment: The ECHR ensures that workers have the right to fair treatment in the workplace, including protection against discrimination and unfair dismissal.
Changes in National Legislation
Countries that leave the ECHR might choose to amend or repeal laws that align with ECHR standards. This could result in weaker labor laws, affecting job security, wages, and working conditions for employees.
Impact on Collective Bargaining
The ECHR supports the right to form and join trade unions. Leaving the court could undermine the legal protections for collective bargaining, making it more difficult for workers to negotiate better terms and conditions.
Potential for Increased Discrimination
Without the ECHR's protections against discrimination, marginalized groups within the workforce may face heightened risks of unfair treatment based on race, gender, disability, or other factors.
If Reform get in (despite Brexit, ofwhich Farage was the figurehead ,being the sole reason we are unable to return the small boats to their place of origin)
Return the boats to where? Eritrea? Syria? Afghanistan? Gaza? Iran? Half of Africa? Voting Brexit was mainly about freeing us from the shackles of Brussels in order to have more say over our rights and laws as a country. But it wasn't implemented, hence the mess we're in now.
The Equality Act still protects against age discrimination in the UK, even after leaving the ECHR, because the Act is domestic law and incorporates protections derived from both EU directives and previous national legislation. While the ECHR is an international treaty, the Equality Act is the key domestic legislation that prohibits discrimination based on age in areas like employment, services, and public functions.
The problem with the ECHR is not that it is an international treaty. The problem is that the Court has made it into a dynamic treaty. Rather than simply upholding the terms agreed by the member states, the Strasbourg Court has, since the 1970s, said that the ECHR is a “living instrument”, the meaning of which changes as the Court decides a succession of cases and divines a changing European consensus. In other words, it's remade the Convention, imposing far reaching new obligations on states and driving its own vision for social, moral and political reform across Europe. Most strikingly, the Strasbourg Court has invented a whole new European law of immigration and asylum which has no foundation in the original agreement.
So, what has the ECHR ever done for the UK? Exclusively provided the right to fair trial, the right to privacy, freedom from torture, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom from discrimination, freedom from slavery blah blah?
The protection of rights and freedoms in the UK long predated the ECHR. We do not owe fair trials or the abolition of slavery to the Strasbourg Court. With Parliament’s support, the Government could refuse to comply with judgments that brazenly misinterpret the text of the ECHR and thus depart from the terms that the UK, like other member states, agreed. But we have had two successive spineless and weak leaders. Leaving the ECHR would restore Parliament’s freedom, on behalf of the British people, to decide what our laws should be. Bringing the Strasbourg Court’s jurisdiction over the UK to an end would strengthen parliamentary democracy.
I don't think for one moment the UK will suddenly become a hot bed of all those points you've listed. Laws are incredibly hard to change and we won't go backwards.
Regarding BIB, speaking just personally I think those are pretty important rights Digs!
The motivation for many to vote Brexit was to lower immigration figures. It has got far worse as the statistics prove. Whilst still part of the EU,we used to be able to send possibly fraudulent claimants who have come from France back to France while we processed their claim. That would help us enormously now. The public were lied to by Farage once and I certainly wouldn't trust him with our personal.freedoms!
As for going backwards if we elect as PM an individual who would happily pay (with taxpayers money of course) to send genuine female refugees back to their deaths in the Taliban then we will be lost. We will lose goodwill with our foreign neighbours and trade will be impossible as it states above we have to be part of the ECHR. Employees won't have to pay as much so who will force them too? Voting to have our human rights taken away will lead us down a dangerous path we can't predict.
Also Brexit WAS implemented. This is it, we have exited the EU..we can't pick and choose perks we are no longer entitled to. The French "one in one out deal" scheme is woeful because it's literally charity, rooted in pity. The boats that come from Calais are our problem now. We made our bed.
Digger said
Sep 21 9:50 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
If Reform get in (despite Brexit, ofwhich Farage was the figurehead ,being the sole reason we are unable to return the small boats to their place of origin) they have to leave the European Courts of Human Rights to solve the small boats crisis. Otherwise they will be breaking International Law.
This will be an unmitigated disaster for all residing in the UK as our basic civil rights will be removed. It will make Brexit look like childsplay.
Workers will lose Rights to receive basic pay, other countries will not want to trade with us ,pensioners would lose benefits Farage promised a crackdown on benefits but I don't think pensioners realised he meant them)and the right to a fair trial.
It would all be up to millionaire and friend of President Trump Farage what happens to UK residents as we will basically have lost our HUMAN RIGHTS. But that's ok because at least there won't be any immigrants here, the women we return to the Taliban won't be anywhere as they will be dead.That is the stark reality. Hopefully the children will survive.
below is just a few tidbits of what will happen if UK choose to vote for Nigel Farage, who intends to leave the European Courts of Human Rights.
Rights Potentially Lost for Pensioners
1. Right to a Fair Trial
Pensioners could face challenges in accessing justice if their rights to a fair trial are compromised, particularly in disputes over pensions or benefits.
2. Protection Against Discrimination
The ECHR provides protections against discrimination based on age, which is crucial for pensioners. Without these protections, age-related discrimination could become more prevalent.
3. Right to Privacy
Pensioners may lose protections related to their personal data and privacy, which are currently safeguarded under ECHR rulings.
International Relations
Council of Europe Membership: Exiting the ECHR would likely require leaving the Council of Europe, which could isolate the UK from other European nations.
Trade Agreements: The UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement relies on adherence to the ECHR. Leaving could jeopardize this agreement, leading to potential trade repercussions.
Impact of Leaving the European Court of Human Rights on Workers
Leaving the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) could significantly affect workers' rights in the UK. The ECHR provides a framework for various human rights protections, including those relevant to labor and employment.
Loss of Legal Protections
If the UK were to exit the ECHR, workers could lose access to several key rights currently protected under the Human Rights Act 1998, which incorporates ECHR rights into UK law. This includes:
Right to Fair Treatment: The ECHR ensures that workers have the right to fair treatment in the workplace, including protection against discrimination and unfair dismissal.
Changes in National Legislation
Countries that leave the ECHR might choose to amend or repeal laws that align with ECHR standards. This could result in weaker labor laws, affecting job security, wages, and working conditions for employees.
Impact on Collective Bargaining
The ECHR supports the right to form and join trade unions. Leaving the court could undermine the legal protections for collective bargaining, making it more difficult for workers to negotiate better terms and conditions.
Potential for Increased Discrimination
Without the ECHR's protections against discrimination, marginalized groups within the workforce may face heightened risks of unfair treatment based on race, gender, disability, or other factors.
If Reform get in (despite Brexit, ofwhich Farage was the figurehead ,being the sole reason we are unable to return the small boats to their place of origin)
Return the boats to where? Eritrea? Syria? Afghanistan? Gaza? Iran? Half of Africa? Voting Brexit was mainly about freeing us from the shackles of Brussels in order to have more say over our rights and laws as a country. But it wasn't implemented, hence the mess we're in now.
The Equality Act still protects against age discrimination in the UK, even after leaving the ECHR, because the Act is domestic law and incorporates protections derived from both EU directives and previous national legislation. While the ECHR is an international treaty, the Equality Act is the key domestic legislation that prohibits discrimination based on age in areas like employment, services, and public functions.
The problem with the ECHR is not that it is an international treaty. The problem is that the Court has made it into a dynamic treaty. Rather than simply upholding the terms agreed by the member states, the Strasbourg Court has, since the 1970s, said that the ECHR is a “living instrument”, the meaning of which changes as the Court decides a succession of cases and divines a changing European consensus. In other words, it's remade the Convention, imposing far reaching new obligations on states and driving its own vision for social, moral and political reform across Europe. Most strikingly, the Strasbourg Court has invented a whole new European law of immigration and asylum which has no foundation in the original agreement.
So, what has the ECHR ever done for the UK? Exclusively provided the right to fair trial, the right to privacy, freedom from torture, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom from discrimination, freedom from slavery blah blah?
The protection of rights and freedoms in the UK long predated the ECHR. We do not owe fair trials or the abolition of slavery to the Strasbourg Court. With Parliament’s support, the Government could refuse to comply with judgments that brazenly misinterpret the text of the ECHR and thus depart from the terms that the UK, like other member states, agreed. But we have had two successive spineless and weak leaders. Leaving the ECHR would restore Parliament’s freedom, on behalf of the British people, to decide what our laws should be. Bringing the Strasbourg Court’s jurisdiction over the UK to an end would strengthen parliamentary democracy.
I don't think for one moment the UK will suddenly become a hot bed of all those points you've listed. Laws are incredibly hard to change and we won't go backwards.
Regarding BIB, speaking just personally I think those are pretty important rights Digs!
The motivation for many to vote Brexit was to lower immigration figures. It has got far worse as the statistics prove. Whilst still part of the EU,we used to be able to send possibly fraudulent claimants who have come from France back to France while we processed their claim. That would help us enormously now. The public were lied to by Farage once and I certainly wouldn't trust him with our personal.freedoms!
As for going backwards if we elect as PM an individual who would happily pay (with taxpayers money of course) to send genuine female refugees back to their deaths in the Taliban then we will be lost. We will lose goodwill with our foreign neighbours and trade will be impossible as it states above we have to be part of the ECHR. Employees won't have to pay as much so who will force them too? Voting to have our human rights taken away will lead us down a dangerous path we can't predict.
Also Brexit WAS implemented. This is it, we have exited the EU..we can't pick and choose perks we are no longer entitled to. The French "one in one out deal" scheme is woeful because it's literally charity, rooted in pity. The boats that come from Calais are our problem now. We made our bed.
Keir Starmer, on the other hand, has never lied.
What part of weak, ineffectual spineless Government leadership don't you get?
Fluffy said
Sep 22 8:28 PM, 2025
Starmer is far from perfect but he seems ineffective because his hands are tied due to Brexit. And the Tories allowed that choice to be made.
The alternative, voting for a morally bankrupt Putin admirer who has no qualms sending women to certain death and asking him to take away our freedoms is no alternative anybody should realistically consider. Apparently Labour and the Lib Dems will form a coalition government to keep Reform out. I hope it's enough.
Cameron was far too complacent with Brexit. People need to be saved from themselves.
The Reform UK leader said the eastward expansion of the European Union and Nato had provided the Russian leader with a “reason” to make the case for war to his people.
Nigel Farage has named Russia's Vladimir Putin as the leader he most admires, calling his handling of the Syria crisis "brilliant".
Farage said he liked the Russian president for the way he worked rather than for his political and personal approach.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has delivered a furious condemnation of Nigel Farage, branding his assertion that the West provoked Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "appalling" and a gift to the Russian dictator's propaganda machine.
Nigel Farage has reiterated that he blames the West and NATO for the Russian invasion of Ukraine - as he confirmed that he previously said he "admired" Vladimir Putin as a statesman.
Speaking to the BBC, the Reform UK leader was asked about his previous comments on Russia and Ukraine.
Asked about Russia's 2022 invasion, Mr Farage told Nick Robinson that he had been saying since the fall of the Berlin Wall that there would be a war in Ukraine due to the "ever-eastward expansion of NATO and the European Union".
Starmer is far from perfect but he seems ineffective because his hands are tied due to Brexit. And the Tories allowed that choice to be made.
The alternative, voting for a morally bankrupt Putin admirer who has no qualms sending women to certain death and asking him to take away our freedoms is no alternative anybody should realistically consider. Apparently Labour and the Lib Dems will form a coalition government to keep Reform out. I hope it's enough.
Cameron was far too complacent with Brexit. People need to be saved from themselves.
The Reform UK leader said the eastward expansion of the European Union and Nato had provided the Russian leader with a “reason” to make the case for war to his people.
Nigel Farage has named Russia's Vladimir Putin as the leader he most admires, calling his handling of the Syria crisis "brilliant".
Farage said he liked the Russian president for the way he worked rather than for his political and personal approach.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has delivered a furious condemnation of Nigel Farage, branding his assertion that the West provoked Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "appalling" and a gift to the Russian dictator's propaganda machine.
Nigel Farage has reiterated that he blames the West and NATO for the Russian invasion of Ukraine - as he confirmed that he previously said he "admired" Vladimir Putin as a statesman.
Speaking to the BBC, the Reform UK leader was asked about his previous comments on Russia and Ukraine.
Asked about Russia's 2022 invasion, Mr Farage told Nick Robinson that he had been saying since the fall of the Berlin Wall that there would be a war in Ukraine due to the "ever-eastward expansion of NATO and the European Union".
Starmer hasn't the emotional or mental integrity to lead. Why do you keep citing Brexit as the reason this country has gone tits up. It was going badly wrong way before then. We were in the same place back in the 1970s with Labour in charge.
It took Margaret Thatcher - who might as well have been a female version of Trump according to her haters - a woman who, in retrospect, had enough balls to stand up to the stranglehold of the unions and bring this country back on course. She made mistakes. They all do. But all Starmer does is bounce from one disaster to the next. Thatcher wouldn't have hesitated to tell the French to fuck off with their fishing rights until they stopped sending migrants our way, and she would never have sanctioned bringing them all here with hotels and benefits and spending money! They would never have gotten to stand on our shores.
Back in the day, if you admired Thatcher you were just as reviled as those who admire Farage.
But she and her kind are all gone. What we have now are a bunch of vacillating woke short sighted fearful fools with strings being jerked from higher places.
Of course you left out the part where Farage said he didn't like Putin.
I'll tell you why the migrants keep coming. Because our Government doesn't want to stop them.
Fluffy said
Sep 22 11:51 PM, 2025
Anonymous wrote:
A story buried by the BBC - Lancashire Regional News.
Headline: Man charged with murdering baby he wanted to adopt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y21d4zrrxo
Dig into the article: A man has appeared in court accused of sexually assaulting and murdering a 13-month-old boy he was seeking to adopt.
High school teacher Jamie Varley is also accused of repeated counts of assault, cruelty and indecent images.
All of the charges relate to Preston Davey, who was pronounced dead shortly after he was taken to Blackpool Victoria Hospital in July 2023.
Mr Varley, 36, and his 31-year-old co-accused John McGowan-Fazakerley were in the process of adopting Preston. Both men were remanded in custody following brief hearings at Lancaster Magistrates' Court....
My summary: a homosexual couple in the process of adopting a 13 month old boy repeatedly sexually assault the child, post the images on line. The baby dies from its injuries.
One can learn a lot about the BBC by researching its website - seeing the stories it promotes and comparing that the stories it buries in the regional news section. Note no headline referring to the fact this was a homosexual couple and the issues surrounding homosexual couples adopting babies / children of the same sex as the homosexual couple.
Why are you going on about it being a gay couple?That is a terrible unthinkable tragedy, well.It's abhorrent but straight people have sadly done the same. They don't represent all straight people do they?
There are evil people in.this world and they all bleed red, regardless of race, creed, gender or sexual orientation.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Monday 22nd of September 2025 11:53:51 PM
Fluffy said
Sep 23 12:06 AM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Starmer is far from perfect but he seems ineffective because his hands are tied due to Brexit. And the Tories allowed that choice to be made.
The alternative, voting for a morally bankrupt Putin admirer who has no qualms sending women to certain death and asking him to take away our freedoms is no alternative anybody should realistically consider. Apparently Labour and the Lib Dems will form a coalition government to keep Reform out. I hope it's enough.
Cameron was far too complacent with Brexit. People need to be saved from themselves.
The Reform UK leader said the eastward expansion of the European Union and Nato had provided the Russian leader with a “reason” to make the case for war to his people.
Nigel Farage has named Russia's Vladimir Putin as the leader he most admires, calling his handling of the Syria crisis "brilliant".
Farage said he liked the Russian president for the way he worked rather than for his political and personal approach.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has delivered a furious condemnation of Nigel Farage, branding his assertion that the West provoked Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "appalling" and a gift to the Russian dictator's propaganda machine.
Nigel Farage has reiterated that he blames the West and NATO for the Russian invasion of Ukraine - as he confirmed that he previously said he "admired" Vladimir Putin as a statesman.
Speaking to the BBC, the Reform UK leader was asked about his previous comments on Russia and Ukraine.
Asked about Russia's 2022 invasion, Mr Farage told Nick Robinson that he had been saying since the fall of the Berlin Wall that there would be a war in Ukraine due to the "ever-eastward expansion of NATO and the European Union".
Starmer hasn't the emotional or mental integrity to lead. Why do you keep citing Brexit as the reason this country has gone tits up. It was going badly wrong way before then. We were in the same place back in the 1970s with Labour in charge.
It took Margaret Thatcher - who might as well have been a female version of Trump according to her haters - a woman who, in retrospect, had enough balls to stand up to the stranglehold of the unions and bring this country back on course. She made mistakes. They all do. But all Starmer does is bounce from one disaster to the next. Thatcher wouldn't have hesitated to tell the French to fuck off with their fishing rights until they stopped sending migrants our way, and she would never have sanctioned bringing them all here with hotels and benefits and spending money! They would never have gotten to stand on our shores.
Back in the day, if you admired Thatcher you were just as reviled as those who admire Farage.
But she and her kind are all gone. What we have now are a bunch of vacillating woke short sighted fearful fools with strings being jerked from higher places.
Of course you left out the part where Farage said he didn't like Putin.
I'll tell you why the migrants keep coming. Because our Government doesn't want to stop them.
BIB, because it's true. The stats show we are far poorer as a country since Brexit and as a result of Brexit as it took us out of the biggest single market. Immigration has obviously also got far worse as we can't return immigrants back to France whilst processing claims like we used to.
My tablets on 1% but as to your last point, I know they don't. Because we need immigrants to work positions people born and bred here won't deign to consider. But some of the public won't listen to this any more than they will endure listening to the truth that Brexit left us far poorer and more vulnerable as a country.
Do you agree with Trump politically if I may be so.bold?
-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 23rd of September 2025 12:07:49 AM
Maddog said
Sep 23 12:24 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Starmer is far from perfect but he seems ineffective because his hands are tied due to Brexit. And the Tories allowed that choice to be made.
The alternative, voting for a morally bankrupt Putin admirer who has no qualms sending women to certain death and asking him to take away our freedoms is no alternative anybody should realistically consider. Apparently Labour and the Lib Dems will form a coalition government to keep Reform out. I hope it's enough.
Cameron was far too complacent with Brexit. People need to be saved from themselves.
The Reform UK leader said the eastward expansion of the European Union and Nato had provided the Russian leader with a “reason” to make the case for war to his people.
Nigel Farage has named Russia's Vladimir Putin as the leader he most admires, calling his handling of the Syria crisis "brilliant".
Farage said he liked the Russian president for the way he worked rather than for his political and personal approach.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has delivered a furious condemnation of Nigel Farage, branding his assertion that the West provoked Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "appalling" and a gift to the Russian dictator's propaganda machine.
Nigel Farage has reiterated that he blames the West and NATO for the Russian invasion of Ukraine - as he confirmed that he previously said he "admired" Vladimir Putin as a statesman.
Speaking to the BBC, the Reform UK leader was asked about his previous comments on Russia and Ukraine.
Asked about Russia's 2022 invasion, Mr Farage told Nick Robinson that he had been saying since the fall of the Berlin Wall that there would be a war in Ukraine due to the "ever-eastward expansion of NATO and the European Union".
Starmer hasn't the emotional or mental integrity to lead. Why do you keep citing Brexit as the reason this country has gone tits up. It was going badly wrong way before then. We were in the same place back in the 1970s with Labour in charge.
It took Margaret Thatcher - who might as well have been a female version of Trump according to her haters - a woman who, in retrospect, had enough balls to stand up to the stranglehold of the unions and bring this country back on course. She made mistakes. They all do. But all Starmer does is bounce from one disaster to the next. Thatcher wouldn't have hesitated to tell the French to fuck off with their fishing rights until they stopped sending migrants our way, and she would never have sanctioned bringing them all here with hotels and benefits and spending money! They would never have gotten to stand on our shores.
Back in the day, if you admired Thatcher you were just as reviled as those who admire Farage.
But she and her kind are all gone. What we have now are a bunch of vacillating woke short sighted fearful fools with strings being jerked from higher places.
Of course you left out the part where Farage said he didn't like Putin.
I'll tell you why the migrants keep coming. Because our Government doesn't want to stop them.
BIB, because it's true. The stats show we are far poorer as a country since Brexit and as a result of Brexit as it took us out of the biggest single market. Immigration has obviously also got far worse as we can't return immigrants back to France whilst processing claims like we used to.
My tablets on 1% but as to your last point, I know they don't. Because we need immigrants to work positions people born and bred here won't deign to consider. But some of the public won't listen to this any more than they will endure listening to the truth that Brexit left us far poorer and more vulnerable as a country.
Do you agree with Trump politically if I may be so.bold?
-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 23rd of September 2025 12:07:49 AM
In the stampede to trash Israel, the woke West seems to conveniently brush that under the prayer mat.
A story buried by the BBC - Lancashire Regional News.
Headline: Man charged with murdering baby he wanted to adopt
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y21d4zrrxo
Dig into the article: A man has appeared in court accused of sexually assaulting and murdering a 13-month-old boy he was seeking to adopt.
High school teacher Jamie Varley is also accused of repeated counts of assault, cruelty and indecent images.
All of the charges relate to Preston Davey, who was pronounced dead shortly after he was taken to Blackpool Victoria Hospital in July 2023.
Mr Varley, 36, and his 31-year-old co-accused John McGowan-Fazakerley were in the process of adopting Preston. Both men were remanded in custody following brief hearings at Lancaster Magistrates' Court....
My summary: a homosexual couple in the process of adopting a 13 month old boy repeatedly sexually assault the child, post the images on line. The baby dies from its injuries.
One can learn a lot about the BBC by researching its website - seeing the stories it promotes and comparing that the stories it buries in the regional news section. Note no headline referring to the fact this was a homosexual couple and the issues surrounding homosexual couples adopting babies / children of the same sex as the homosexual couple.
And the BBC produced two articles a month or two afterwards following the HAMAS attack saying that it was important for Egypt to prevent Gazans entering Egypt as that would allow Israel to displace the Gazans into the Sinai Desert (which was originally possessed by Israel following the 1967 Arabic Islamic invasion which attempted to annihilate Israel - the so called six day war). Immediately following the HAMAS attack the BBC produced several articles saying they wouldn't call HAMAS a terrorist organisation (nor Hezbollah etc) because they wanted to remain "neutral".
Similarly the Ukraine - Russian conflict has not been reported accurately by the BBC - both historically and ongoing. As soon as hostilities broke out Boris Johnson banned internet access to Russian news sources from the UK and gave the BBC tax payers monies to "counter the Russian propaganda".
Monitoring the BBC for about twenty years it has become all narrative rather than unbiased fact based reporting.
With regard the grooming gangs I remember listening to French radio and they reported that the grooming gangs also trafficked many girls out of the UK but that was never reported by the BBC or British Media. When one looks at the BBC regional sections there are lot of current stories regarding missing girls as well as ongoing cases associated with historical and current grooming - but 95 % of these stories are never highlighted nor go into the main web pages of the BBC - which is reserved for the BBC favorite narratives.
Here is a story you hadn't heard about. Following the Southport murders (29 July 2024) a man tried to copy the Southport murderer by stabbing a little white girl but fortunately the girl survived. Again the story was buried in regional news.
Headline: Man who stabbed girl, 9, in attempted murder jailed
"A man who repeatedly stabbed a nine-year-old girl in an attempt to kill her has been jailed for 30 years.
Jordan Wilkes, 29, from New Milton, attacked the girl, who was playing outside his flat with a friend, in August 2024 ... the girl was not known to Wilkes before the attack ... She had been playing in a communal stairwell when Wilkes came out of his flat and stabbed her with a penknife three times, once to her jaw, then her shoulder and knee.
The girl and her friend managed to get away and knocked on a number of doors before a neighbour took them in and called the emergency services...."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20z4edx8djo
** the stabbing occurred 20 August 2024 three weeks following the Southport Murders. It was known to be a copycat attempt because his internet search history on killing children started immediately after the Southport murders.
Handing over £millions to the French has paid off…Labour has managed to get ONE illegal on a plane.
To the world’s press he brags of ONE return.
https://x.com/GBNEWS/status/1968686500020687260
No. 10 is popping corks, another has been given wings. Starmer’s on a roll, Trump’s being trumped.
Meanwhile, 1,072 more illegals came in on Friday, I suppose if we deduct the 3 that went back (at the UK's expense), that's a net total of 1,069 - great job sir Keir!
Darn it! I forgot that 3 are coming from France (also at the UK's expense) to replace them. Back to 1,072 then in one day. The 3 from France are due in next week, but it might not actually be 3, as the Home Office has said that the numbers coming in will be 'at or close to parity'. It's supposed to be 'a one in one out' deal - if the in and out numbers don't match on the first exchange, even just by one, it's going to make Starmer look an even bigger fool. He'd better send someone to do a head count
In response to Trump's suggestion about using the miilitary, David Lammy has referred to the UK Border Force as being 'amazing' LoL
If Reform get in (despite Brexit, ofwhich Farage was the figurehead ,being the sole reason we are unable to return the small boats to their place of origin) they have to leave the European Courts of Human Rights to solve the small boats crisis. Otherwise they will be breaking International Law.
This will be an unmitigated disaster for all residing in the UK as our basic civil rights will be removed. It will make Brexit look like childsplay.
Workers will lose Rights to receive basic pay, other countries will not want to trade with us ,pensioners would lose benefits Farage promised a crackdown on benefits but I don't think pensioners realised he meant them)and the right to a fair trial.
It would all be up to millionaire and friend of President Trump Farage what happens to UK residents as we will basically have lost our HUMAN RIGHTS. But that's ok because at least there won't be any immigrants here, the women we return to the Taliban won't be anywhere as they will be dead.That is the stark reality. Hopefully the children will survive.
below is just a few tidbits of what will happen if UK choose to vote for Nigel Farage, who intends to leave the European Courts of Human Rights.
Rights Potentially Lost for Pensioners
1. Right to a Fair Trial
Pensioners could face challenges in accessing justice if their rights to a fair trial are compromised, particularly in disputes over pensions or benefits.
2. Protection Against Discrimination
The ECHR provides protections against discrimination based on age, which is crucial for pensioners. Without these protections, age-related discrimination could become more prevalent.
3. Right to Privacy
Pensioners may lose protections related to their personal data and privacy, which are currently safeguarded under ECHR rulings.
International Relations
Council of Europe Membership: Exiting the ECHR would likely require leaving the Council of Europe, which could isolate the UK from other European nations.
Trade Agreements: The UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement relies on adherence to the ECHR. Leaving could jeopardize this agreement, leading to potential trade repercussions.
Impact of Leaving the European Court of Human Rights on Workers
Leaving the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) could significantly affect workers' rights in the UK. The ECHR provides a framework for various human rights protections, including those relevant to labor and employment.
Loss of Legal Protections
If the UK were to exit the ECHR, workers could lose access to several key rights currently protected under the Human Rights Act 1998, which incorporates ECHR rights into UK law. This includes:
Changes in National Legislation
Countries that leave the ECHR might choose to amend or repeal laws that align with ECHR standards. This could result in weaker labor laws, affecting job security, wages, and working conditions for employees.
Impact on Collective Bargaining
The ECHR supports the right to form and join trade unions. Leaving the court could undermine the legal protections for collective bargaining, making it more difficult for workers to negotiate better terms and conditions.
Potential for Increased Discrimination
Without the ECHR's protections against discrimination, marginalized groups within the workforce may face heightened risks of unfair treatment based on race, gender, disability, or other factors.
No, great job Nigel Farage and Brexit voters. The reason we can't return the small boats to France or their place of origin is all because we chose to leave the EU and with it the Dublin convention. France doesn't have to help us at all, if we don't want to. They did it to help. Maybe voters should have educated themselves before being so rash but in fairness I don't blame the electorate, they were conned by manipulating bigots like Farage and Michael Gove who didn't tell the public how immigration would effect the UK negatively if we left the EU. But when I see people who voted Brexit, causing our inability to return the small boats, wrongly blame Starmer it's absurd. He is bound by the rules of Brexit , his hands are tied. If we were still in the EU we COULD return the boats to France.
However Labour and other parties should speak up more in the media about Brexit being the legal reason immigration has got far worse. They don't because they don't want to offend Brexit voters. However I think these Brexit voters who point the finger at others when THEIR choice has caused the increase in small boats should eat some humble pie
The fact is that Brexit has made the English Channel more vulnerable to small boat crossings because it has removed the UK from an agreed mechanism that ensured asylum seekers arriving from another EU country could be returned to it to have their applications for asylum processed.
This provision was initially negotiated between EU members back in 1990 and is known as the Dublin Regulation. It remains in force, but because of Brexit we are no longer a party to it.
What does that mean in practice? Before Brexit, when the UK was in the EU, the UK could send asylum seekers back to the EU country that they entered first after escaping persecution in their homeland.
Inevitably, there has been an increase in Channel crossings. Since there’s no easy legal way to return people to France or elsewhere, more asylum seekers attempt dangerous boat journeys.
You wouldn’t know it from the way he is weaponising the issue for his own political ends, but if there’s one person more responsible for the “small boats” migration crisis than anyone else, it’s Nigel Farage.
Yet far from being blamed, as he should be, for a situation where migrants – both legal and illegal – are risking their lives to reach Britain’s shores, many misguidedly see him as the one blameless politician prepared to call out the incompetence of successive governments.
Source-
https://nation.cymru/opinion/why-nigel-farage-is-to-blame-for-the-small-boats-migrant-crisis/
If Reform get in (despite Brexit, ofwhich Farage was the figurehead ,being the sole reason we are unable to return the small boats to their place of origin)
Return the boats to where? Eritrea? Syria? Afghanistan? Gaza? Iran? Half of Africa? Voting Brexit was mainly about freeing us from the shackles of Brussels in order to have more say over our rights and laws as a country. But it wasn't implemented, hence the mess we're in now.
The Equality Act still protects against age discrimination in the UK, even after leaving the ECHR, because the Act is domestic law and incorporates protections derived from both EU directives and previous national legislation. While the ECHR is an international treaty, the Equality Act is the key domestic legislation that prohibits discrimination based on age in areas like employment, services, and public functions.
The problem with the ECHR is not that it is an international treaty. The problem is that the Court has made it into a dynamic treaty. Rather than simply upholding the terms agreed by the member states, the Strasbourg Court has, since the 1970s, said that the ECHR is a “living instrument”, the meaning of which changes as the Court decides a succession of cases and divines a changing European consensus. In other words, it's remade the Convention, imposing far reaching new obligations on states and driving its own vision for social, moral and political reform across Europe. Most strikingly, the Strasbourg Court has invented a whole new European law of immigration and asylum which has no foundation in the original agreement.
So, what has the ECHR ever done for the UK? Exclusively provided the right to fair trial, the right to privacy, freedom from torture, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom from discrimination, freedom from slavery blah blah?
The protection of rights and freedoms in the UK long predated the ECHR. We do not owe fair trials or the abolition of slavery to the Strasbourg Court. With Parliament’s support, the Government could refuse to comply with judgments that brazenly misinterpret the text of the ECHR and thus depart from the terms that the UK, like other member states, agreed. But we have had two successive spineless and weak leaders. Leaving the ECHR would restore Parliament’s freedom, on behalf of the British people, to decide what our laws should be. Bringing the Strasbourg Court’s jurisdiction over the UK to an end would strengthen parliamentary democracy.
I don't think for one moment the UK will suddenly become a hot bed of all those points you've listed. Laws are incredibly hard to change and we won't go backwards.
Regarding BIB, speaking just personally I think those are pretty important rights Digs!
The motivation for many to vote Brexit was to lower immigration figures. It has got far worse as the statistics prove. Whilst still part of the EU,we used to be able to send possibly fraudulent claimants who have come from France back to France while we processed their claim. That would help us enormously now. The public were lied to by Farage once and I certainly wouldn't trust him with our personal.freedoms!
As for going backwards if we elect as PM an individual who would happily pay (with taxpayers money of course) to send genuine female refugees back to their deaths in the Taliban then we will be lost. We will lose goodwill with our foreign neighbours and trade will be impossible as it states above we have to be part of the ECHR. Employees won't have to pay as much so who will force them too? Voting to have our human rights taken away will lead us down a dangerous path we can't predict.
Also Brexit WAS implemented. This is it, we have exited the EU..we can't pick and choose perks we are no longer entitled to. The French "one in one out deal" scheme is woeful because it's literally charity, rooted in pity. The boats that come from Calais are our problem now. We made our bed.
Keir Starmer, on the other hand, has never lied.
What part of weak, ineffectual spineless Government leadership don't you get?
Starmer is far from perfect but he seems ineffective because his hands are tied due to Brexit. And the Tories allowed that choice to be made.
The alternative, voting for a morally bankrupt Putin admirer who has no qualms sending women to certain death and asking him to take away our freedoms is no alternative anybody should realistically consider. Apparently Labour and the Lib Dems will form a coalition government to keep Reform out. I hope it's enough.
Cameron was far too complacent with Brexit. People need to be saved from themselves.
The West “provoked” Vladimir Putin into invading Ukraine, Nigel Farage has claimed.
The Reform UK leader said the eastward expansion of the European Union and Nato had provided the Russian leader with a “reason” to make the case for war to his people.
Nigel Farage has named Russia's Vladimir Putin as the leader he most admires, calling his handling of the Syria crisis "brilliant".
Farage said he liked the Russian president for the way he worked rather than for his political and personal approach.
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has delivered a furious condemnation of Nigel Farage, branding his assertion that the West provoked Vladimir Putin's invasion of Ukraine as "appalling" and a gift to the Russian dictator's propaganda machine.
Nigel Farage has reiterated that he blames the West and NATO for the Russian invasion of Ukraine - as he confirmed that he previously said he "admired" Vladimir Putin as a statesman.
Speaking to the BBC, the Reform UK leader was asked about his previous comments on Russia and Ukraine.
Asked about Russia's 2022 invasion, Mr Farage told Nick Robinson that he had been saying since the fall of the Berlin Wall that there would be a war in Ukraine due to the "ever-eastward expansion of NATO and the European Union".
Source-
https://news.sky.com/story/general-election-2024-farage-says-west-and-nato-provoked-war-in-ukraine-13156787
Starmer hasn't the emotional or mental integrity to lead. Why do you keep citing Brexit as the reason this country has gone tits up. It was going badly wrong way before then. We were in the same place back in the 1970s with Labour in charge.
It took Margaret Thatcher - who might as well have been a female version of Trump according to her haters - a woman who, in retrospect, had enough balls to stand up to the stranglehold of the unions and bring this country back on course. She made mistakes. They all do. But all Starmer does is bounce from one disaster to the next. Thatcher wouldn't have hesitated to tell the French to fuck off with their fishing rights until they stopped sending migrants our way, and she would never have sanctioned bringing them all here with hotels and benefits and spending money! They would never have gotten to stand on our shores.
Back in the day, if you admired Thatcher you were just as reviled as those who admire Farage.
But she and her kind are all gone. What we have now are a bunch of vacillating woke short sighted fearful fools with strings being jerked from higher places.
Of course you left out the part where Farage said he didn't like Putin.
I'll tell you why the migrants keep coming. Because our Government doesn't want to stop them.
Why are you going on about it being a gay couple?That is a terrible unthinkable tragedy, well.It's abhorrent but straight people have sadly done the same. They don't represent all straight people do they?
There are evil people in.this world and they all bleed red, regardless of race, creed, gender or sexual orientation.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Monday 22nd of September 2025 11:53:51 PM
BIB, because it's true. The stats show we are far poorer as a country since Brexit and as a result of Brexit as it took us out of the biggest single market. Immigration has obviously also got far worse as we can't return immigrants back to France whilst processing claims like we used to.
My tablets on 1% but as to your last point, I know they don't. Because we need immigrants to work positions people born and bred here won't deign to consider. But some of the public won't listen to this any more than they will endure listening to the truth that Brexit left us far poorer and more vulnerable as a country.
Do you agree with Trump politically if I may be so.bold?
-- Edited by Fluffy on Tuesday 23rd of September 2025 12:07:49 AM
All of Europe is in worse economic shape.
Why is that?