I can't think of many rules or laws that dont benefit society as a whole...none that affect me anyway.
Maybe I just don't want to be that rebel without a cause.
No you don't. It's not in your nature.
I have my moments.
I tend to live my life to suit myself, I dont feel oppressed by rules or regulations.
John Doe said
Oct 30 12:06 AM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I can't think of many rules or laws that dont benefit society as a whole...none that affect me anyway.
Maybe I just don't want to be that rebel without a cause.
No you don't. It's not in your nature.
I have my moments.
I tend to live my life to suit myself, I dont feel oppressed by rules or regulations.
Well you should.
Syl said
Oct 30 12:26 AM, 2021
Maybe I just dont go looking for things to be outraged about.
Maddog said
Oct 30 12:37 AM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maybe I just dont go looking for things to be outraged about.
I do. I don't like bullying. I don't like oppression.
Syl said
Oct 30 12:53 AM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maybe I just dont go looking for things to be outraged about.
I do. I don't like bullying. I don't like oppression.
I hate bullying, I seldom see it...(apart from on forums)
Maddog said
Oct 30 6:03 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maybe I just dont go looking for things to be outraged about.
I do. I don't like bullying. I don't like oppression.
I hate bullying, I seldom see it...(apart from on forums)
Bullying comes from one entity having power over another and abusing that power.
It can be in the form of a group of posters, a big man, employer or government.
Anytime there is an imbalance of power, there can be bullying.
When a citizen is backed against the wall and forced to do something in order to function in society, that can be construed as bullying.
Syl said
Oct 30 6:10 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maybe I just dont go looking for things to be outraged about.
I do. I don't like bullying. I don't like oppression.
I hate bullying, I seldom see it...(apart from on forums)
Bullying comes from one entity having power over another and abusing that power.
It can be in the form of a group of posters, a big man, employer or government.
Anytime there is an imbalance of power, there can be bullying.
When a citizen is backed against the wall and forced to do something in order to function in society, that can be construed as bullying.
I agree with points 1 and 2.
Point 3...it depends on your interpretation of 'bullying'.
Point 4....Laws and rules are made to enable society to function fairly. If a citizen feels they are backed against a wall because their way of thinking differs from the laws or rules, maybe he is just being a selfish self entitled git?
Maddog said
Oct 30 6:48 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maybe I just dont go looking for things to be outraged about.
I do. I don't like bullying. I don't like oppression.
I hate bullying, I seldom see it...(apart from on forums)
Bullying comes from one entity having power over another and abusing that power.
It can be in the form of a group of posters, a big man, employer or government.
Anytime there is an imbalance of power, there can be bullying.
When a citizen is backed against the wall and forced to do something in order to function in society, that can be construed as bullying.
I agree with points 1 and 2.
Point 3...it depends on your interpretation of 'bullying'.
Point 4....Laws and rules are made to enable society to function fairly. If a citizen feels they are backed against a wall because their way of thinking differs from the laws or rules, maybe he is just being a selfish self entitled git?
Or the rules are oppressive.
Remember, my country was started by people that shot other people who were forcing rules down their throat that they didn't like.
No doubt people that liked the rules had all sorts of names for those rule breakers.
Syl said
Oct 30 7:42 PM, 2021
Well that was then.
In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?
Maddog said
Oct 31 5:45 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Well that was then. In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?
I feel oppressed and I know others are too. Some laws don't really oppress me, but it's not always about me. I want people in general to be left alone.
I'd like to get rid of all sorts of unnecessary laws.
I'd fire about half of the government workers out there because they would be unnecessary.
Syl said
Oct 31 6:40 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well that was then. In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?
I feel oppressed and I know others are too. Some laws don't really oppress me, but it's not always about me. I want people in general to be left alone.
I'd like to get rid of all sorts of unnecessary laws.
I'd fire about half of the government workers out there because they would be unnecessary.
But why do you feel oppressed?
What are you stopped from doing or saying in real life that hinders you?
Maddog said
Oct 31 7:46 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well that was then. In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?
I feel oppressed and I know others are too. Some laws don't really oppress me, but it's not always about me. I want people in general to be left alone.
I'd like to get rid of all sorts of unnecessary laws.
I'd fire about half of the government workers out there because they would be unnecessary.
But why do you feel oppressed?
What are you stopped from doing or saying in real life that hinders you?
Again, it doesn't matter how it impacts me, but others too.
But we could start with the war on drugs. Prostitution laws. No knock raids. Qualified immunity. Seat belt laws. Gun laws. Fees and taxes I'm forced to pay out of my labor.
Basically, any law that forces me to do something when I'm not actively trying to harm others..
I live by the Non Agrression Principle, and would like a government that reflects that as much as possible..
John Doe said
Oct 31 10:28 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well that was then. In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?
I feel oppressed and I know others are too. Some laws don't really oppress me, but it's not always about me. I want people in general to be left alone.
I'd like to get rid of all sorts of unnecessary laws.
I'd fire about half of the government workers out there because they would be unnecessary.
But why do you feel oppressed?
What are you stopped from doing or saying in real life that hinders you?
Again, it doesn't matter how it impacts me, but others too.
But we could start with the war on drugs. Prostitution laws. No knock raids. Qualified immunity. Seat belt laws. Gun laws. Fees and taxes I'm forced to pay out of my labor.
Basically, any law that forces me to do something when I'm not actively trying to harm others..
I live by the Non Agrression Principle, and would like a government that reflects that as much as possible..
As you are a Libertarian MD how many do you think would follow this principle if the Police and all the other law enforcement agencies and the criminal justice system in general were abolished in the US?
I have my own opinion on that but it's serious question.
Syl said
Oct 31 11:41 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well that was then. In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?
I feel oppressed and I know others are too. Some laws don't really oppress me, but it's not always about me. I want people in general to be left alone.
I'd like to get rid of all sorts of unnecessary laws.
I'd fire about half of the government workers out there because they would be unnecessary.
But why do you feel oppressed?
What are you stopped from doing or saying in real life that hinders you?
Again, it doesn't matter how it impacts me, but others too.
But we could start with the war on drugs. Prostitution laws. No knock raids. Qualified immunity. Seat belt laws. Gun laws. Fees and taxes I'm forced to pay out of my labor.
Basically, any law that forces me to do something when I'm not actively trying to harm others..
I live by the Non Agrression Principle, and would like a government that reflects that as much as possible..
The problem is, many people would be abusing others if there were no laws to stop them.
Not everyone has good judment or self control, so laws re drugs, prostitution, no knock raids, (I have never heard of qualified immunity) seat belt laws, gun laws and so on....they protect people.
OK, no one likes paying taxes, but we all benefit from how they are spent, especially members of society who may be more in need.
Maddog said
Nov 1 4:32 PM, 2021
The non aggression principle doesn't allow for the harming or abusing of others.
I'm more worried about the harm caused to us from government, than each other most of the time.
Which is why I want the power of the government drastically cut back, and to exist to punish us when we actually harm each other.
Syl said
Nov 1 6:07 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
The non aggression principle doesn't allow for the harming or abusing of others.
I'm more worried about the harm caused to us from government, than each other most of the time.
Which is why I want the power of the government drastically cut back, and to exist to punish us when we actually harm each other.
In an ideal world that would be lovely.
You would still have to pay your taxes though.
Maddog said
Nov 1 6:44 PM, 2021
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
The non aggression principle doesn't allow for the harming or abusing of others.
I'm more worried about the harm caused to us from government, than each other most of the time.
Which is why I want the power of the government drastically cut back, and to exist to punish us when we actually harm each other.
In an ideal world that would be lovely.
You would still have to pay your taxes though.
Why not strive for an ideal world. One that that includes a much lower tax rate.
Look at the events that killed the most humans. Most of them involve governments using force trying to create better societies.
Syl said
Nov 1 7:38 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
The non aggression principle doesn't allow for the harming or abusing of others.
I'm more worried about the harm caused to us from government, than each other most of the time.
Which is why I want the power of the government drastically cut back, and to exist to punish us when we actually harm each other.
In an ideal world that would be lovely.
You would still have to pay your taxes though.
Why not strive for an ideal world. One that that includes a much lower tax rate.
Look at the events that killed the most humans. Most of them involve governments using force trying to create better societies.
You can strive for a better world by doing your bit...as in treat people fairly, do your bit to help the planet, and accept that taxes are a part of life that isn't going to disappear any time soon.
Depending on which side of the pay scale you are on, you will either campaign for/moan about/ or accept that the rich should be taxed more and the poorer less, or the rich are taxed too much and no wonder they legally fiddle the books.
Maddog said
Nov 1 9:33 PM, 2021
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well that was then. In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?
I feel oppressed and I know others are too. Some laws don't really oppress me, but it's not always about me. I want people in general to be left alone.
I'd like to get rid of all sorts of unnecessary laws.
I'd fire about half of the government workers out there because they would be unnecessary.
But why do you feel oppressed?
What are you stopped from doing or saying in real life that hinders you?
Again, it doesn't matter how it impacts me, but others too.
But we could start with the war on drugs. Prostitution laws. No knock raids. Qualified immunity. Seat belt laws. Gun laws. Fees and taxes I'm forced to pay out of my labor.
Basically, any law that forces me to do something when I'm not actively trying to harm others..
I live by the Non Agrression Principle, and would like a government that reflects that as much as possible..
As you are a Libertarian MD how many do you think would follow this principle if the Police and all the other law enforcement agencies and the criminal justice system in general were abolished in the US?
I have my own opinion on that but it's serious question.
Who says abolish the police?
I just want them to have a lot less laws to enforce.
Smoking a plant? Fine
Nor wearing a seat belt? Fine
Screwing your neighbor for $10? Fine
Walking around with a firearm? Fine
Touching your neighbor or their stuff? Not fine.
Calling people names? Fine.
Not paying for trillions in useless government programs? Very Fine.
I'm really more of a minarchist, which is part of the libertarian umbrella.
John Doe said
Nov 1 9:56 PM, 2021
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well that was then. In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?
I feel oppressed and I know others are too. Some laws don't really oppress me, but it's not always about me. I want people in general to be left alone.
I'd like to get rid of all sorts of unnecessary laws.
I'd fire about half of the government workers out there because they would be unnecessary.
But why do you feel oppressed?
What are you stopped from doing or saying in real life that hinders you?
Again, it doesn't matter how it impacts me, but others too.
But we could start with the war on drugs. Prostitution laws. No knock raids. Qualified immunity. Seat belt laws. Gun laws. Fees and taxes I'm forced to pay out of my labor.
Basically, any law that forces me to do something when I'm not actively trying to harm others..
I live by the Non Agrression Principle, and would like a government that reflects that as much as possible..
As you are a Libertarian MD how many do you think would follow this principle if the Police and all the other law enforcement agencies and the criminal justice system in general were abolished in the US?
I have my own opinion on that but it's serious question.
Who says abolish the police?
I just want them to have a lot less laws to enforce.
Smoking a plant? Fine
Nor wearing a seat belt? Fine
Screwing your neighbor for $10? Fine
Walking around with a firearm? Fine
Touching your neighbor or their stuff? Not fine.
Calling people names? Fine.
Not paying for trillions in useless government programs? Very Fine.
I'm really more of a minarchist, which is part of the libertarian umbrella.
The American love of guns and the Second amendment (made to suit the late 18 century Militias) is one of the great differences between us (that and the US South's ludicrous Evangelical belief in Jesus, the Bible and Creationism etc).
I think with less police and law enforcement the US would lend up looking like The Road (and many other countries for that matter including the UK).
-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 1st of November 2021 09:56:58 PM
I have my moments.
I tend to live my life to suit myself, I dont feel oppressed by rules or regulations.
Well you should.
I do. I don't like bullying. I don't like oppression.
I hate bullying, I seldom see it...(apart from on forums)
Bullying comes from one entity having power over another and abusing that power.
It can be in the form of a group of posters, a big man, employer or government.
Anytime there is an imbalance of power, there can be bullying.
When a citizen is backed against the wall and forced to do something in order to function in society, that can be construed as bullying.
I agree with points 1 and 2.
Point 3...it depends on your interpretation of 'bullying'.
Point 4....Laws and rules are made to enable society to function fairly. If a citizen feels they are backed against a wall because their way of thinking differs from the laws or rules, maybe he is just being a selfish self entitled git?
Or the rules are oppressive.
Remember, my country was started by people that shot other people who were forcing rules down their throat that they didn't like.
No doubt people that liked the rules had all sorts of names for those rule breakers.
In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?
I feel oppressed and I know others are too. Some laws don't really oppress me, but it's not always about me. I want people in general to be left alone.
I'd like to get rid of all sorts of unnecessary laws.
I'd fire about half of the government workers out there because they would be unnecessary.
But why do you feel oppressed?
What are you stopped from doing or saying in real life that hinders you?
Again, it doesn't matter how it impacts me, but others too.
But we could start with the war on drugs. Prostitution laws. No knock raids. Qualified immunity. Seat belt laws. Gun laws. Fees and taxes I'm forced to pay out of my labor.
Basically, any law that forces me to do something when I'm not actively trying to harm others..
I live by the Non Agrression Principle, and would like a government that reflects that as much as possible..
As you are a Libertarian MD how many do you think would follow this principle if the Police and all the other law enforcement agencies and the criminal justice system in general were abolished in the US?
I have my own opinion on that but it's serious question.
The problem is, many people would be abusing others if there were no laws to stop them.
Not everyone has good judment or self control, so laws re drugs, prostitution, no knock raids, (I have never heard of qualified immunity) seat belt laws, gun laws and so on....they protect people.
OK, no one likes paying taxes, but we all benefit from how they are spent, especially members of society who may be more in need.
I'm more worried about the harm caused to us from government, than each other most of the time.
Which is why I want the power of the government drastically cut back, and to exist to punish us when we actually harm each other.
In an ideal world that would be lovely.
You would still have to pay your taxes though.
Why not strive for an ideal world. One that that includes a much lower tax rate.
Look at the events that killed the most humans. Most of them involve governments using force trying to create better societies.
You can strive for a better world by doing your bit...as in treat people fairly, do your bit to help the planet, and accept that taxes are a part of life that isn't going to disappear any time soon.
Depending on which side of the pay scale you are on, you will either campaign for/moan about/ or accept that the rich should be taxed more and the poorer less, or the rich are taxed too much and no wonder they legally fiddle the books.
Who says abolish the police?
I just want them to have a lot less laws to enforce.
Smoking a plant? Fine
Nor wearing a seat belt? Fine
Screwing your neighbor for $10? Fine
Walking around with a firearm? Fine
Touching your neighbor or their stuff? Not fine.
Calling people names? Fine.
Not paying for trillions in useless government programs? Very Fine.
I'm really more of a minarchist, which is part of the libertarian umbrella.
The American love of guns and the Second amendment (made to suit the late 18 century Militias) is one of the great differences between us (that and the US South's ludicrous Evangelical belief in Jesus, the Bible and Creationism etc).
I think with less police and law enforcement the US would lend up looking like The Road (and many other countries for that matter including the UK).
-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 1st of November 2021 09:56:58 PM